Nessie, Honored Women, Canaan, Heavenly Help, I Couldn't Endure Heaven,
"Theory" is Our Word!, Unicorns, Petrified Boots & Stalactite Beer Cans, At
Least Man's Watch Works, Resting God?, Jesus Changes Lives, If There Was
Something I Needed to Know, CNN Would Surely Have Told Me, Hen or Wolves,
Irreducible Complexity, Women Have (Some) Rights in Islam, So Open Minded Your
Brains Fall Out, Let the Men in White Coats Tell you What to
Think...
Response to Comment: "[Finding a plesiosaur]...that would be
extremely surprising. It would be so completely, utterly, and insanely
surprising that I would probably die from being so surprised. The reason this
would be so surprising is because plesiosaurs went extinct during the
Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event which happened 65.5 million years ago. So
yeah, I'd be pretty damn surprised...We should all quit arguing with SerpentDove....
ridiculous."
"Let the poor [N]essie...die to fairytale."
Were secular scientists as "utterly and insanely surprised" when they found
soft tissue in the femer of a T-Rex? (See:
T-Rex
Soft Tissue). Soft tissue does not last for 65.5 million years . You
would think that would be big news. Secular media tells the false Ida
stories but not the factual T-Rex soft tissue find.
Young earth creationists do not believe that our planet is "millions" of
years old. This is only a theory. Evidence points to a young earth,
not millions of years.
We have discovered only a small percentage of the ocean. Finding a
supposedly ancient dinosaur would not be a great shock to the young earth
creationist.
Response to Comment: "SerpentDove like other believers quotes
scriptures and then arrogantly maintains that his religious beliefs are more
real the religious beliefs of other believers. In the typical Eurocentric male
fashion, the Christian God/Jesus is the real savior, while the gods and
religious philosophies of the darken skin people are demonic or backwards."
God makes clear from the book of Genesis that men and women are equal.
They were created to love and worship him.
The word “man” is actually
adam, and is related to
“earth” (Hebrew
adamah),
since man’s body was formed from the elements of the earth (Genesis
2:7). It may be noted that man was to have dominion not only over all
animals but also over the earth (verse 26) from which he had been
formed.
Finally, it is made clear that “man” is also a
generic term, including both male and female. Both man and woman were
created (the
details of their physical formation being given in Genesis 2) in God’s
image, and thus both possess equally an eternal spirit capable of
personal fellowship with their Creator.
Morris, Henry M.: The Genesis
Record : A Scientific and Devotional Commentary on the Book of
Beginnings. Grand Rapids, MI : Baker Books, 1976, S. 75
Unlike Christianity, Islam dishonors women (e.g. forcing them to wear
degrading burkhas). It is dehumanizing.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that darker skinned people were more
desirable than lighter skinned people. Bigotry and racism is a leftist
ideology. We are one blood (Ac 17:26) with minor differences in
pigmentation.
Christianity claims exclusivity. Jesus said: “I am the way,
the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me (Jn
14:6)."
And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants
shall he be unto his brethren [Gen. 9:25].
I would have you note that God said, “Cursed be
Canaan”—He does not put
a curse on Ham. A
question that keeps arising is this: Is the curse of Ham upon the dark
races? It certainly is not. To think otherwise is absolutely absurd. The
Scripture does not teach it. The coloration of the skin, the pigment that is
in the epidermis of the human family, is there because of sunlight from the
outside not because of sin from within. There is no curse placed upon Ham;
the curse was upon Canaan his son. We do not know in what way Canaan was
involved in this incident. We are given only the bare record here, but we
recognize that Canaan is mentioned for a very definite purpose. Let me
repeat that it hasn’t anything to do with color—it is not a curse of color
put on a part of the human race. That teaching has been one of the sad
things said about the black man. It is not fair to the black man and it is
not fair to God—because He didn’t say it. After all, the first two great
civilizations were Hamitic—both the Babylonian and Egyptian civilizations
were Hamitic.
Another question arises: Why did God give us a record of
the sin of Noah? Well, if man had written the Book of Genesis, he would have
done one of two things. He either would have covered up the sin of Noah by
not mentioning it at all to make Noah a hero; or else he would have made
Noah’s sin a great deal more sordid than it was. But God recorded it for His
own purposes.
First of all, as I have indicated, it was to encourage
the children of Israel in entering the land of Canaan during the time of
Moses and Joshua. It let them know that God had pronounced a curse upon
Canaan. He had pronounced His judgment upon the race. All you have to do is
read the rest of the Old Testament and secular history to discover the
fulfillment of this judgment. The Canaanites have pretty much disappeared.
God had a further reason for recording the incident of
Noah’s sin. In Romans 15:4 we read these words: “For whatsoever things were
written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience
and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” It was recorded to let you
and me know something of the weakness of the flesh. The Lord Jesus said that
the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. And in Galatians 2:16 it is
made very clear that no flesh would be justified by keeping the law: “… for
by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” So God has given us
here the story of a man who fell, revealing the weakness of the flesh.
There is no use trying to make excuses for Noah. The bare
fact is that Noah got drunk.
Now, maybe you as a Christian do not get drunk. But, may
I say, you and I may be living in the flesh to the extent we’re just as
displeasing to God as Noah was. We have, I think, a wrong conception of life
in this universe that we are in. For instance, our nation has spent billions
of dollars to put men on the moon, and it looks like it’s not a good place
to live anyway. But we spend relatively little on how to live on this earth.
But God is concerned about training you and me how to live on this earth.
Let us not make some of the mistakes that are made in the
consideration of this incident. We need to make it very clear that Noah did
not lose his salvation. I trust that you understand that. It was an awful
thing that he did—there is no excuse for it. It was his weakness of the
flesh, but he was still a saved man.
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible
Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997,
c1981, S. 1:ix-50Response to Comment: "All the
while his great loving God stays hidden behind and in scriptures,
never revealing himself in the natural."
God revealed himself throughout history and in the person of
Jesus Christ. God is not hidden from anyone who wants to be
found by him (Jer 29:13, Ac 17:27).
Response to Comment: "Yet, his lonely, selfish God wants
people to worship him so they can get to his enduring perfect
heaven."
We can fulfill our God-given purpose. We can measure up to
our God-given potential. This life is a probationary period
(H. Morris).
God is the creator. We are the created. But
many are spoiled brat works of his creation. "Shall the potter
be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who
made it, 'He did not make me'? Or shall the thing formed say of him
who formed it, 'He has no understanding'?" (Isa 29:16).
You will not win a debate of logic with your creator. God
has every right to require something of you. You have the
choice to refuse to "endure" heaven. He created a place for
such people.
God is anything but selfish. He has done everything
heavenly possible to save us (Ro 5:8).
Response to Comment: "I could teach you what science is
about..."Just a theory" in science is supported by so much data it
is overwhelming. It is not a guess, as the word 'theory' is used in
everyday language. Gravity is just a theory...do you believe in
that? I thought so."
I thought science never stopped asking questions. Gravity
is a physical law. Evolution is a theory of origins. Are
you so "overwhelmed" by the theory that you have stopped asking
questions? You are what Satan calls easy prey.
Response to Comment: "Evidence points to an old earth, SerpentDove."
That's funny. I've seen a petrified boot and and
stalactites forming on a beer can. I thought these things took
"millions of years".
Response to Comment: "You find something science doesn't
know...then you say that if we don't know it, we're wrong about
everything."
Man gets much wrong. But at least his watch is right twice
a day. What matters is where you put your faith--in man or in
God.
Response to Comment: "[U]nicorns...in the Bible[?]"
...Modern readers have trouble with the Bible’s unicorns because
we forget that a single-horned feature is not uncommon on God’s menu
for animal design. (Consider the rhinoceros and narwhal.) The Bible
describes unicorns skipping like calves (Psalm 29:6), traveling like
bullocks, and bleeding when they die (Isaiah 34:7). The presence of
a very strong horn on this powerful, independent-minded creature is
intended to make readers think of strength.
The absence of a unicorn in the modern world should not cause us to
doubt its past existence. (Think of the dodo bird. It does not exist
today, but we do not doubt that it existed in the past.). Eighteenth
century reports from southern Africa described rock drawings and
eyewitness accounts of fierce, single-horned, equine-like animals.
One such report describes “a single horn, directly in front, about
as long as one’s arm, and at the base about as thick . . . . [It]
had a sharp point; it was not attached to the bone of the forehead,
but fixed only in the skin...”(See full text:
Unicorns in the Bible?).
Response to Comment: "[God] was supposed to be resting
and not doing any more creating."
The living presence of the Holy Spirit is known by millions
throughout the world.
Response to Comment: "SerpentDove, if you have anymore,
please keep them coming..."
Alright. How about the mantis shrimp. Where is the
evolutionary transitional form?
A face only a mama could love, the Mantis shrimp, also referred to
as a snapping shrimp, possesses an amazing function to obtain food,
it creates a cavity bubble underwater which collapses with such
force that it produces a cracking sound of about 200 decibels, a
tiny flash of light, and enough shock to stun or even kill its prey
such as worms and goby fish. It is the only creature in the world
with such a "weapon" to kill its pray (kgov.com, Real Science
Friday). (See:
Mantis Shrimp).
Response to Comment: "If one single living species could
disprove evolution, I'm sure a real scientist would have
found it by now."
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise;
God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong (1 Cor
1:27).
Response to Comment: "What so many creationist don't
realize, is that the scientist that found sometime to truly disprove
evolution would instantly be catapulted to fame. They would have all
the money they could ask for to fund any research wanted. Plus
having their names live in infamy in the history book[s]."
CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS surely would have reported
it. Someone would have gotten a Pulitzer Prize if God existed.
As a hen protects her chicks, God has offered you
a safe place in his care. But, if because of your hatred and rebellion,
you choose to venture away from his care, you become easy prey for wolves.
The very fact that you are still alive means that God has not given up on you.
Thank him for your first breathe today. Ask him for another, then thank
him for that one. Or, you could continue to hate him each day as an
ingrate. He wants to spend eternity with those who trusted him. He
knows if our love for him is real.
Response to Comment: "Irreducible complexity?"
See:
Irreducible Complexity: Some Candid Admissions by Evolutionists
Response to Comment: “Women could at least own
property, demand divorce and have human rights under the Koran…[P]lainly state
that in neither the NT or OT are women to be considered equal. Hell, I could
start a whole list on passages that say how unclean a menstruating woman is, and
that she's so vile she cannot be touched...Sucks to be female when a quarter of
your life is spent in disgust because that's how God made you.”
We have a common enemy in Satan. The Bible gives us
all that we need to know the truth and to live a holy life (emphasis
added [Jn 17:7]). Muhammad did not question the accuracy of the Bible.
It is nice that Muslim women enjoy some freedoms. But Christ came to give
women complete and final freedom. Isa Al Masih (Jesus) is the author
and finisher of our faith (emphasis added [Heb 12:2]). Freedom does
not mean freedom to sin. It means freedom to obey. In this way, we
are able to live a holy life for God's purposes.
Response to Comment:
Payment for rape instead of punishment. Deuteronomy
22:28-29
Death to a rape victim if she doesn't scream (no matter if she's being
choked, has a blade to her throat, has her family threatened or other
promises of retaliation) Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Women are spoils of war: Judges 5:30
Fathers may sell daughters into the sex trade Exodus 21:7-11
Or trade them to be raped (to death!) instead of a visitor. Genesis 19:8,
Judges 19:1-25
How much a human life is worth (notice how women are far lower?) Leviticus
27:3-7
Women can't make a promise unless her husband approves it Numbers 30:3-16
STFU in Church, Bitch- Corinthians 14:33-35
Women are to submit to their husbands in all things- Genesis 3:16, Ephesians
5:21-33,
STFU and dress plainly- 1 Timothy 2:9-14
Response to Comment:
Deut. 22:20-30
But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity
be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of
her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that
she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her
father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you [Deut. 22:20–21].
Suppose the woman was guilty. Then she was to be stoned.
Today people talk about the “new” morality and consider
sex apart from marriage a great step forward. God gave a standard of
morality to His people, Israel. God-given morality has always been a
blessing to any nation. Any nation that has broken over at this point has
gone down. When I think of this, and when I think of the condition of my
country, I weep. Under God’s law to Israel, a person guilty of adultery was
stoned to death, whether man or woman. If we did that here in Southern
California, there would be so many rock piles it would be impossible to
drive a car through this part of the country.
God honors marriage and God honors sexual purity.
Adultery in Israel was to be punished by stoning. This tells us how God
feels about adultery, friends. Remember that God’s love for His people is
expressed in His Law. This law regarding the protection of the sanctity of
marriage is a very fine example of His love and concern for the human
family.
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible
Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997,
c1981, S. 1:ix-588
22:12–30
MORAL PURITY
The social laws (22:1–12) were followed by
moral laws (22:13–30), the theme of which was to purge evil from
the congregation of Israel (22:21–22, 24). The legislation of
22:13–19 was designed to protect a virgin against false
allegations of unchastity.
Hughes, Robert B. ;
Laney, J. Carl ; Hughes, Robert B.: Tyndale Concise
Bible Commentary. Wheaton, Ill. : Tyndale House
Publishers, 2001 (The Tyndale Reference Library), S. 75Response to Comment:
Jud. 5:28–30
Have they not sped? have they
not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two;
to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers
colours of needlework, of divers colours of
needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them
that take the spoil? [Jud. 5:28–30].
The mother of Sisera knew in her
heart what had happened. She knew he had been slain.
She had thought all of the time that he would be
coming home, but he did not come. Even in this case,
the heart of Deborah went out to this woman because
she was a mother.
McGee, J.
Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary.
electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson,
1997, c1981, S. 2:55Response to Comment:
If he came in by
himself, he shall go out by himself: if
he were married, then his wife shall go
out with him.
If his master have
given him a wife, and she have born him
sons or daughters; the wife and her
children shall be her master’s, and he
shall go out by himself.
And if the servant
shall plainly say, I love my master, my
wife, and my children; I will not go out
free:
Then his master
shall bring him unto the judges; he
shall also bring him to the door, or
unto the door post; and his master shall
bore his ear through with an awl; and he
shall serve him for ever [Exod. 21:3–6].
This remarkable law
states that if a man is a slave, after
seven years he can go free. If he was
married when he became a slave, he can
take his wife with him. If he married
while a slave, that is, if he married a
woman who was already a slave of his
master, at the end of seven years he
could go free, but his wife would still
belong to the master. He would be free
but his wife would not. He could,
however, if he loved his wife and
master, decide to stay of his own free
will. If he decides to stay, his master
is to bore his ear lobe through with an
awl signifying that he will serve his
master forever.
This is a beautiful
picture of the Lord Jesus Christ. He
came to this earth and took upon Himself
our humanity. And we were all slaves of
sin. He could have gone out free. He
could have returned to heaven, to His
position in the Godhead, without going
through the doorway of death. He did not
have to die upon the cross. But He
willingly came down to earth and took
upon Himself our humanity. “And being
found in fashion as a man, he humbled
himself, and became obedient unto death,
even the death of the cross” (Phil.
2:8).
Psalm 40:6–8 goes on
to say, “Sacrifice and offering thou
didst not desire; mine ears hast thou
opened: burnt offering and sin offering
hast thou not required. Then said I, Lo,
I come: in the volume of the book it is
written of me, I delight to do thy will,
O my God: yea, thy law is within my
heart.” This passage refers to Christ,
because Hebrews 10:5–9 tells us that it
does. It was fulfilled when our Lord
came to this earth. “Wherefore when he
cometh into the world [speaking of
Christ], he saith, Sacrifice and
offering thou wouldest not, but a body
hast thou prepared me [it was not only
his ear that was “digged,” or bored
through with an awl, but God gave Him a
body which He will have throughout
eternity]: in burnt offerings and
sacrifices for sin thou hast had no
pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in
the volume of the book it is written of
me) to do thy will, O God. Above when he
said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt
offerings and offering for sin thou
wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure
therein; which are offered by the law;
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will,
O God. He taketh away the first, that he
may establish the second.” Christ was
“made like unto His brethren.” He chose
not to go out free without us. He could
have left this earth without dying, but
He said, “I love My Bride. I love the
sinner.” So He became obedient unto
death, even the death of the cross so
that He could redeem us from the slavery
of sin. What a picture this is of
Christ—placed right here after the
giving of the Ten Commandments.
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the
Bible Commentary. electronic
ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson,
1997, c1981, S. 1:ix-271
21:1–36
RESTITUTION
The
principle of restitution was
applied to the issues of the
worth of a servant, or slave
(21:1–11) and death
penalties for various acts
(21:12–36). The key
principle (21:13–25) is that
justice demands equality of
restitution, no more (which
would be revenge) and no
less (which would trivialize
the seriousness of the
offense). In the case of
mothers and children,
special laws were given to
protect the helpless and
innocent (21:22–25). If a
man caused a woman to give
birth prematurely but the
infant was not harmed, then
a simple fine was to be
levied. If the child or
mother was harmed, then the
law of retaliation was
applied. Punishment was
restricted to that which was
commensurate with the
injury. In these verses God
shows clear concern for
protecting unborn children,
a concern that people today
would do well to heed.
Surely the abortion of
millions of unborn babies
will fall under God’s
condemnation.
Hughes, Robert B. ;
Laney, J. Carl ;
Hughes, Robert B.:
Tyndale Concise
Bible Commentary.
Wheaton, Ill. :
Tyndale House
Publishers, 2001
(The Tyndale
Reference Library),
S. 39
Response to Comment:
Gen. 19:8
Behold
now, I have two daughters
which have not known man;
let me, I pray you, bring
them out unto you, and do ye
to them as is good in your
eyes: only unto these men do
nothing; for therefore came
they under the shadow of my
roof [Gen. 19:8].
When a
man entertained a guest in
that day, he was responsible
for him. Lot was willing to
make this kind of sacrifice
to protect his guests!
McGee, J. Vernon:
Thru the Bible
Commentary.
electronic ed.
Nashville : Thomas
Nelson, 1997, c1981,
S. 1:ix-82
According to
oriental custom, a
host was responsible
for protecting his
guests from harm,
whatever the cost
(19:4–8). Thus, Lot
offered his
daughters to the
wicked men in order
to protect his
guests. The demands
of hospitality
explain, but do not
justify, Lot’s
actions. Why did God
have compassion on
Lot (19:16)? Because
“God had listened to
Abraham’s request
and kept Lot safe”
(19:29), which was
in accordance with
his covenant with
Abraham.
Hughes,
Robert
B. ;
Laney,
J. Carl
;
Hughes,
Robert
B.:
Tyndale
Concise
Bible
Commentary.
Wheaton,
Ill. :
Tyndale
House
Publishers,
2001
(The
Tyndale
Reference
Library),
S. 17
Response to
Comment:
Jud. 19:1–25
And it came to
pass in those
days, when there
was no king in
Israel, that
there was a
certain Levite
sojourning on
the side of
mount Ephraim,
who took to him
a concubine out
of Beth-lehem-judah.
And his
concubine played
the whore
against him, and
went away from
him unto her
father’s house
to Beth-lehem-judah,
and was there
four whole
months [Jud.
19:1–2].
These two verses
give us another
insight into the
life of the
children of
Israel of that
day, and it is a
good
illustration of
Romans chapters
1–3. Can you
imagine a Levite
marrying a woman
like that? Well,
he did, and she
played the
harlot, left
him, and went
back to her
father’s house.
This Levite
followed her,
was warmly
received by her
father, and
stayed several
days. Then the
Levite and his
concubine left
and headed
northward. They
stayed one night
in Gibeah, a
city of the
Benjamites. An
old man who was
also from mount
Ephraim and was
sojourning in
Gibeah offered
them
hospitality.
That night,
while they were
being
entertained by
their host, some
men of the city
demanded (as was
done in Sodom
before its
destruction) the
Levite for their
homosexual
gratification.
Believing it
would mean final
death for him,
he gave them
instead his
concubine. They
abused her all
night and
absolutely
caused her death
by raping her.
This horrible
act sounds like
something that
could have
happened in our
country—does it
not? In fact,
the parallel to
our contemporary
society is quite
striking as you
read through
this section.
The Levite was
really wrought
up by this
crime, and what
he did reveals
how low they
were in that
day. He took her
and cut her up
in pieces, then
sent a piece to
each tribe with
a message of
what had taken
place!
The reaction of
the rest of the
nation to this
outrage is
recorded in the
next two
chapters.
McGee,
J.
Vernon:
Thru
the
Bible
Commentary.
electronic
ed.
Nashville
: Thomas
Nelson,
1997,
c1981,
S. 2:85
19:1–21:25 The
Events in the
Tribe of
Benjamin
The section of
19:1–21:25
outlines a civil
war among the
sons of Israel.
The perversions
at Gibeah
(19:1–30) led to
civil war and
the destruction
of many of the
males of the
tribe of
Benjamin
(20:1–48). The
section ends
with a strange
scheme to allow
the remaining
males of
Benjamin to find
wives from among
the Israelites
(21:1–25).
A concubine
(19:1) was a
secondary wife,
often acquired
by purchase or
as a war
captive. In
antiquity, when
a marriage
produced no
heir, a barren
wife would
present a slave
concubine to her
husband to
produce
offspring.
Although the
practice was not
condoned, the
concubines were
protected under
the Mosaic law
(Exod. 21:7–11).
Since concubines
were expensive
to maintain,
they were
considered to be
a sign of wealth
and status.
Jebus (Judg.
19:10) is the
Canaanite city
that later
became
Jerusalem.
Gibeah (19:12),
located four
miles north of
Jerusalem,
became Israel’s
capital in
Saul’s time. The
moral intentions
of the men of
Gibeah (19:22)
match those of
the men of Sodom
(Gen. 19:5).
According to
Oriental custom
(Judg.
19:23–24), a
host had to
protect his
guests from
harm, whatever
the cost. The
demands of
hospitality and
the low status
of women in this
period of
apostasy help to
explain this
horrendous
proposal.
The
dismemberment
and distribution
of the
concubine’s body
to the twelve
tribes (19:29)
constituted a
warning
concerning the
nation’s deep
immorality as
well as a
challenge to
make things
right.
The two military
defeats of
Israel by
Benjamin drove
Israel to prayer
and fasting in
an earnest
attempt to
discern God’s
will (20:26).
The rock of
Rimmon was about
four miles east
of Bethel
(20:45). The
Israelites soon
regretted their
rash oath
concerning
Benjamin (21:1,
7, 18).
Jabesh Gilead
(21:8), an
Israelite city
in Transjordan,
was to be
punished for
failing to
participate in
the discipline
of Benjamin.
Years later,
King Saul, a
Benjamite, would
rescue this city
from the
Ammonites (1
Sam. 11:8–11).
As a result, the
inhabitants of
this city would
show great
bravery by
coming to Beth
Shan and
removing the
bodies of Saul
and his sons
from the city
gate and burying
them (1 Sam.
31:11–13).
Since the
daughters of
Shiloh were
taken rather
than given, the
Israelites did
not consider
themselves in
violation of
their rash oath
(21:19–23).
Shiloh was
situated in the
hill country of
Ephraim about
twenty miles
north of
Jerusalem.
Moral decisions
in the period of
the judges were
made on the
basis of
whatever seemed
to suit the
situation, not
on God’s
unchanging
character. The
result was
political,
moral, and
religious chaos.
This situation
was partially
remedied through
the Davidic
kings and has
been perfectly
remedied through
the Son of
David, Jesus the
Messiah.
Hughes,
Robert
B. ;
Laney,
J. Carl
;
Hughes,
Robert
B.:
Tyndale
Concise
Bible
Commentary.
Wheaton,
Ill. :
Tyndale
House
Publishers,
2001
(The
Tyndale
Reference
Library),
S. 102
Response to
Comment:
Lev. 27:3–7
And thy
estimation shall
be of the male
from twenty
years old even
unto sixty years
old, even thy
estimation shall
be fifty shekels
of silver, after
the shekel of
the sanctuary.
And if it be a
female, then thy
estimation shall
be thirty
shekels [Lev.
27:3–4].
When a person
was dedicated by
a vow to God, it
did not mean
that individual
must serve in
the
tabernacle—that
was the peculiar
service of the
Levites. A
redemption price
could be paid
for the person
which would
relieve him of
that service.
This is called
the commutation
price of the
person.
A man between
the ages of
twenty and sixty
was of greater
value because of
the amount of
work he could
do. The labor
value seemed to
be the standard
of evaluation. A
male in the
prime of life
could render the
most service.
“By thy
estimation”
meant that which
was the current
value among the
people.
The labor value
of a female
would be less,
but the
important
feature is that
a female could
be devoted to
God. I think
this makes it
clear that the
daughter of
Jephthah was not
offered as a
human sacrifice
but remained
unmarried and
was vowed to
God.
Hannah brought
little Samuel to
the temple as a
thanksgiving
offering to God
in payment of
her vow. She
said, “For this
child I prayed;
and the
Lord hath
given me my
petition which I
asked of him:
Therefore also I
have lent him to
the
Lord; as
long as he
liveth he shall
be lent to the
Lord…” (1
Sam. 1:27–28).
She kept her
vow.
Have you ever
come to God and
presented
yourself to Him?
Have you
presented your
children to God?
Your
grandchildren?
Have you
presented your
possessions to
Him? He hasn’t
commanded you to
do that, but He
has said that
you may do it.
If you do it,
then it is
mandatory that
you make good.
And if it be
from five years
old even unto
twenty years
old, then thy
estimation shall
be of the male
twenty shekels,
and for the
female ten
shekels.
And if it be
from a month old
even unto five
years old, then
thy estimation
shall be of the
male five
shekels of
silver, and for
the female thy
estimation shall
be three shekels
of silver.
And if it be
from sixty years
old and above;
if it be a male,
then thy
estimation shall
be fifteen
shekels, and for
the female ten
shekels.
But if he be
poorer than thy
estimation, then
he shall present
himself before
the priest, and
the priest shall
value him;
according to his
ability that
vowed shall the
priest value him
[Lev. 27:5–8].
You see that the
scale of values
was determined
by age and not
by social
position,
riches, or
prestige. The
value was based
on the ability
to labor. Notice
how wonderfully
God provided for
the poor so they
could
participate in
this voluntary
service. A fair
and equitable
price was set by
the priest
according to the
man’s ability to
pay. The widow’s
mite is of more
value in heaven
than the rich
gifts of the
wealthy and
affluent.
There is another
striking feature
about the vowing
of persons.
Ordinarily in
human affairs, a
man pays for the
service of
another. In the
law of vows this
is reversed and
a man pays to
serve God. It is
a privilege to
serve God.
McGee,
J.
Vernon:
Thru
the
Bible
Commentary.
electronic
ed.
Nashville
: Thomas
Nelson,
1997,
c1981,
S.
1:ix-449
Response
to
Comment:
Num.
30:3–16
If a
woman
also
vow
a
vow
unto
the
Lord,
and
bind
herself
by a
bond,
being
in
her
father’s
house
in
her
youth;
And
her
father
hear
her
vow,
and
her
bond
wherewith
she
hath
bound
her
soul,
and
her
father
shall
hold
his
peace
at
her:
then
all
her
vows
shall
stand,
and
every
bond
wherewith
she
hath
bound
her
soul
shall
stand
[Num.
30:3–4].
In
other
words,
if a
woman
makes
a
vow
while
she
is
still
single
and
in
her
father’s
home,
the
father
can
be
held
responsible
for
her.
If
the
father
keeps
quiet
when
he
hears
her
make
the
vow,
then
that
vow
which
she
made
will
stand.
However,
if
the
father
speaks
up
and
says,
“Wait
just
a
minute.
She
has
bought
this
dress,
and
I
don’t
intend
to
pay
for
it,”
then
he
is
protected
in
the
matter.
That
vow
is
not
binding.
But
if
her
father
disallow
her
in
the
day
that
he
heareth;
not
any
of
her
vows,
or
of
her
bonds
wherewith
she
hath
bound
her
soul,
shall
stand:
and
the
Lord
shall
forgive
her,
because
her
father
disallowed
her
[Num.
30:5].
Now
what
happens
if
the
woman
is
married?
And
if
she
had
at
all
an
husband,
when
she
vowed,
or
uttered
aught
out
of
her
lips,
wherewith
she
bound
her
soul;
And
her
husband
heard
it,
and
held
his
peace
at
her
in
the
day
that
he
heard
it:
then
her
vows
shall
stand,
and
her
bonds
wherewith
she
bound
her
soul
shall
stand.
But
if
her
husband
disallowed
her
on
the
day
that
he
heard
it;
then
he
shall
make
her
vow
which
she
vowed,
and
that
which
she
uttered
with
her
lips,
wherewith
she
bound
her
soul,
of
none
effect:
and
the
Lord
shall
forgive
her
[Num.
30:6–8].
If
the
married
woman
goes
out
and
makes
expensive
purchases
and
obligates
herself,
the
husband
can
say
that
he
disallows
it
and
will
not
be
responsible
to
pay
for
it.
The
vow
will
not
stand
and
he
is
not
obligated.
So
you
see
that
either
a
father
or a
husband
could
be
held
responsible
for
the
vow
a
woman
made,
unless
they
had
disallowed
it.
Sometimes
we
see
this
principle
bypassed
today.
There
are
women
who
are
golddiggers.
They
marry
a
man
for
his
money.
One
sees
this
at
times
when
a
younger
woman
marries
an
older
man.
After
she
has
his
name,
the
can
go
to
court
and
get
practically
everything
that
he
owns.
I’ve
seen
that
happen
several
times.
I
knew
a
Christian
man
who
was
lonely
after
the
death
of
his
wife,
and
who
then
married
a
younger
woman
who
was
really
after
the
money.
This
man
had
willed
his
money
to
mission
boards
and
Christian
organizations,
but
the
young
widow
was
able
to
break
the
will
and
get
the
money
for
herself
so
that
the
Christian
organizations
got
none
of
it.
Also
I
have
had
men
tell
me
about
marrying
women
who
have
taken
them
for
everything
they
had.
Well,
that’s
the
foolishness
of
mankind.
God
says
a
man
does
not
need
to
permit
this
sort
of
thing.
THE
VOW
OF A
WIDOW
OR
DIVORCED
WOMAN
MUST
STAND
But
every
vow
of a
widow,
and
of
her
that
is
divorced,
wherewith
they
have
bound
their
souls,
shall
stand
against
her
[Num.
30:9].
A
widow
must
stand
on
her
own
two
feet.
The
vow
that
she
makes
stands.
You
notice
how
important
these
details
are
to
God.
He
wants
His
people
always
to
be
as
good
as
their
word.
God
keeps
His
vows,
and
He
expects
His
children
to
keep
theirs.
He
made
a
vow
to
Abraham.
He
made
a
promise
to
David.
God
will
stand
behind
His
vows.
He
has
kept
His
promises
in
the
past
and
will
keep
His
promises
in
the
future.
“For
God
so
loved
the
world,
that
he
gave
his
only
begotten
Son,
that
whosoever
believeth
in
him
should
not
perish,
but
have
everlasting
life”
(John
3:16).
That
is
the
Word
of
God,
God’s
promise
to
you
and
me.
And
the
Word
of
God
stands.
He
has
vowed
that
He
will
save
you
if
you
trust
in
Christ,
and
that
vow
stands.
A
dear,
little
Scottish
woman
had
an
unbelieving
son,
who
returned
home
from
college
with
some
new
ideas
and
told
her,
“Your
soul
doesn’t
amount
to
anything
in
this
vast
universe.”
She
thought
it
over
and
replied,
“I
agree
my
soul
isn’t
worth
very
much,
but
if
my
soul
is
lost,
God
would
lose
more
than
I
would
lose.
God
would
lose
His
reputation
because
He
said
that
He
would
save
me
if I
trusted
Him.”
Friends,
God
will
stand
by
His
Word.
He
doesn’t
have
to
take
an
oath;
all
He
needs
to
do
is
to
say
it,
and
it
is
truth.
He
wants
those
who
represent
Him
down
here
to
be
that
kind
of a
people.
If
they
make
a
vow,
they
should
stand
by
that
vow.
This
kind
of
responsibility
should
be
representative
of
the
Christians
in
this
world
today.
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 1:ix-524
30:1–16 THE AUTHORITY OF MEN OVER THEIR WIVES AND DAUGHTERS
Numbers 30 describes the various levels of responsibility and authority between men and their wives as well as fathers and daughters in the matter of vows. The vow’s essence was a humbling of the person (30:13) before the Lord for service and therefore was highly sacred. The question of vows by a woman under the authority of a man was bound to arise and was answered here. The regulations concerning the discharge of vows upheld the sanctity of the promise (cf. Eccles. 5:4–5) while also recognizing the principle of subjection to authority in the home (Num. 30:3–5).
Hughes, Robert B. ; Laney, J. Carl ; Hughes, Robert B.: Tyndale Concise Bible Commentary. Wheaton, Ill. : Tyndale House Publishers, 2001 (The Tyndale Reference Library), S. 64
Response to Comment: 1 Cor. 14:33–35
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the
prophets.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace,
as in all churches of the saints [1 Cor. 14:32–33].
A church service is to be orderly.
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is
not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under
obedience, as also saith the law [1 Cor. 14:34].
Now what is he talking about here? Tongues. He is not
saying that a woman is not to speak in church; he is saying that she is not
to speak in tongues in the church. My friend, if you take the women out of
the tongues movement, it would die overnight. You may say, “That’s not a
nice thing to say.” I know it’s not nice, but it is true.
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their
husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
What? came the word of God out from you? or came it
unto you only? [1 Cor. 14:35–36].
The Word of God came to
them, of course.
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible
Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997,
c1981, S. 5:70
14:26–40
THE ORDER FOR TONGUES AND PROPHECY
All that is done in worship is to be for
edification (14:26). This is the theme of Paul’s letter. There
is an order given for speaking in tongues (14:27–28), for
prophesying (14:29–33), and for women in the church (14:34–36).
Compare 1 Corinthians 11:2–16 and 1 Timothy 2:11–15 with 1
Corinthians 14:34–35. Paul’s reference to “the law” (14:34)
probably reflects Numbers 30 (on vows), which sets forth the
principle of subjection of wives and daughters.
Hughes, Robert B. ;
Laney, J. Carl ; Hughes, Robert B.: Tyndale Concise
Bible Commentary. Wheaton, Ill. : Tyndale House
Publishers, 2001 (The Tyndale Reference Library), S. 557
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly
multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt
bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
and he shall rule over thee [Gen. 3:16].
This is the judgment upon woman. She cannot
bring a child into the world without sorrow. Isn’t it
interesting that that should be true? The very thing that brings
joy into the life and continues the human family has to come
through sorrow.
McGee, J. Vernon:
Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville
: Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 1:ix-27
Response to Comment: Eph. 5:21-33
Submitting yourselves one to another in
the fear of God [Eph. 5:21].
“Submit” is a very interesting word. It does
not mean obey. Paul is not saying that the child of God is a
buck private in the rear rank taking orders from somebody in the
church who thinks he is a sergeant or a captain. We do take
orders, but they are from the Captain of our salvation.
Joshua thought he was a general of the
children of Israel. He saw a Man with His sword drawn standing
at the edge of the camp. He asked, “… Art thou for us, or for
our adversaries?” If I may put it in good old Americana, he
said, “Who told you to draw a sword? I’m the general here!” It
was actually a rebuke. Then that One (who was the preincarnate
Christ) turned and said, “… Nay; but as captain of the host of
the Lord am I now
come …” (Josh. 5:13–4). Joshua went down on his face and even
took off his shoes because he was on holy ground. He learned
that he had a Captain.
You and I are under a Captain, but the
relationship is not military but on the basis of love. Our Lord
said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). I
think there is an alternative there: “If you don’t love me,
forget the commandments.”
Now we see here that you and I are to submit
ourselves “one to another in the fear of God.” That doesn’t mean
we are to salute and fall down before some human being who
outranks us. It does mean that in the fear of Christ we are to
walk with one another in lowliness of mind.
If you will turn back to chapter 4, verses
1–2, you will see that Paul begins this section by saying that
our walk should be in lowliness and meekness. That is the same
thing that we have here. But notice in chapter 4 it begins with
“I…beseech you.” This is not a command. It is the language of
love. The fires of Sinai have died down, and now it is based on
what has been done by Christ at Calvary. It is based on the
grace of God. “I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech
you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
With all lowliness and meekness….”
“Submitting yourselves one to another in the
fear of God.” This means that you do not try to run the church.
Pastors, officers in the church, members of the church, all of
us are to submit ourselves one to another in the fear of Christ.
It cannot be a “my way” proposition. No one can say, “I want you
to know that I’ll do as I please. If I want to do it this way, I
will do it this way.” Such an attitude is not a mark of a
Spirit-filled believer. Submitting ourselves one to another in
the fear of God is another mark of being Spirit-filled.
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own
husbands, as unto the Lord.
For the husband is the head of the wife,
even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour
of the body.
Therefore as the church is subject unto
Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing
[Eph. 5:22–24].
I have been doing some research on that word
submit,
and I have some rather startling things to tell you. The word
submit
relative to wives needs to be understood a little differently
from the way it has been so often interpreted in the past. It is
not, “Wives, obey
your husbands. Submit
is a very mild word. It is a loving word. It means to respond to
your own husband as unto the Lord. The way we respond to the
Lord is that we love Him because He first loved us. And notice
that it says “unto your own husbands.” A very personal, loving
relationship is the ground for submission. Paul is definitely
speaking to believers about Christian marriage.
In this relationship of husband and wife, the
man is the aggressor. He is the aggressor physically. He is the
one who makes love. He is the aggressor in the home. He should
be the breadwinner, the one who goes out with the lunch pail
each day. And that doesn’t give him the authority to be a top
sergeant in the home either, by the way. The wife is to respond
to him as the believer is to respond to Christ—in a love
relationship.
A rough old boy came to my office one day
with a request. He said, “Dr. McGee, I want you to talk to my
wife. She’s very cold, and she’s not acting as a wife should.”
He didn’t know it, but that was a dead giveaway—he was admitting
failure as a husband. He showed what kind of a husband he was to
draw that kind of response. I asked him, “Have you told her
lately that you love her?” He said, “No. She knows I love her. I
don’t need to tell her that.” I said to him, “I think you do.
She does not need to tell you that she loves you until you say
it first.”
Woman is the responder, and man is the
aggressor. The man is to say, “I love you,” and he is the one
who does the proposing. She is the one to say, “Yes.” No woman
is asked to say “I love you” to a man until he has said “I love
you.” When a man says he has a cold wife, it is because she has
a cold husband. He is not being the husband that he should be.
It is not her business to be the aggressor. Her role is the
sweet submission of love.
“The husband is the head of the wife, even as
Christ is the head of the church.” In what way? It is a love
relationship, and the husband is to be the head for the sake of
order. You will find in this section of Ephesians that there are
four different areas in which there is headship for the sake of
order. Wives are to be subject to their husbands. Husbands are
to be subject to Christ. Children are to be subject to parents.
Servants are to be subject to masters. It is to be a sweet
subjection, a willing subjection to someone who loves you. It is
to be that kind of relationship. If there is no love in it, the
idea of submission isn’t worth a snap of the finger.
I have done a great deal of marriage
counseling in my day, and I would say that 75 percent of the
fault in marriages is on the side of the men. It is the man who
is to keep the lovelight burning. In the beautiful Song of
Solomon, the bridegroom says to the bride, “Behold, thou art
fair, my love; behold, thou art fair …” (Song 1:15), and she
responds, “My beloved is mine, and I am his …” (Song 2:16). He
expresses his love first, and then she responds.
I know someone will say I am very idealistic
and romantic about all this. Well, back in the Garden of Eden
God made them that way. God started off with a romantic pair,
Adam and Eve. Probably He didn’t give that woman to Adam until
Adam realized that he needed someone. She was given as a
helpmeet. A
helpmeet is just the other half of man. Man is half a man
without a wife. God joined them together and called them
Adam—not the Adams.
Some young man will say, “Preacher, I’m not
that kind of person. I’m no hero.” May I say to you that God
never said that every girl would fall in love with you.
Ninety-nine women may pass you by and see in you only the
uninteresting boy next door. But one day there will come a woman
who will see in you the knight in shining armor. It is God who
gives that highly charged chemistry between a certain man and a
certain woman.
My wife told me she thought I was the knight
in shining armor. I want to tell you how it ended. Perhaps you
have seen the television commercial of a knight in armor riding
across the screen holding a can of cleanser. Do you know where
he ended up? In that kitchen! Now that I am retired, that is
where I have ended up. A friend of mine told me, “Now that you
are retired, do things with your wife. When she washes the
dishes, you wash the dishes with her. When she mops the floor,
you mop the floor with her!” Well, I’m not about to do that, but
I surely do wash dishes more than I ever did before.
Now let me say a word to you if you are a
young woman. Perhaps you are not beautiful of face or figure.
God never said you would attract every male—only animals do
that. Ninety-nine men will pass you by and see no more in you
than what Kipling described as a rag, a bone, and a hank of
hair. But one day there will come by a man who will love you if
you are the right kind of person. You will become his
inspiration. You may inspire him to greatness—perhaps to write a
book or to compose a masterpiece. If you are his inspiration, do
not ignore him, do not run from him. God may have put you
together for that very purpose.
You may be saying, “Preacher, you’re in the
realm of theory. What you are talking about is idealistic. It
sounds good in a storybook, but it doesn’t happen in real life.”
You are wrong. It does happen.
Matthew Henry wrote the driest commentary I
have ever read in my life, but, I want to tell you, he had a
wonderful, romantic life as a young preacher. You would never
think in reading his commentary that he was ever a romantic, but
he was. In London he met a girl who belonged to the nobility. He
was just a poor boy, but he fell in love with her and she loved
him. Finally she went to her father to tell him about it, and
her father tried to discourage her. He said, “That young man has
no background. You don’t even know where he came from.” She
answered, “You are right. I don’t know where he came from, but I
know where he is going, and I want to go with him!” And she did.
Nathaniel Hawthorne was a clerk. He worked in
a government customs office in New York City, and he was fired
for inefficiency. He came home and sat down discouraged and
defeated. His wife came up and put her arm around him and said,
“Now, Nathaniel, you can do what you always wanted to do: you
can write.”
He wrote The House of the Seven
Gables, The Scarlet Letter, “The
Great Stone Face”, and other great works. So, you see, it does
work out in life. It has worked out in the lives of multitudes
of folk.
Paul’s instructions regarding the home teach
that the Christian home is to be a mirror of the relation
between Christ and the church. Christ’s relationship to the
church is different from the relationship of husband and wife in
that “Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of
the body.” The husband is not the savior of the wife. But in the
realm of submission the wife should be subject to the husband
and to the Lord Jesus Christ.
McGee, J. Vernon:
Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville
: Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 5:267-269
Response to Comment: 1 Tim. 2:9–14
In like manner also, that
women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with
shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair,
or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
But (which becometh women
professing godliness) with good works [1 Tim.
2:9–10].
“In like manner also”—Paul has
said how men are to pray in public, and now he will
say how women are to pray. Note that he is saying
women are
to pray. That is not the issue, but he is telling
them the way
in which they are to pray in public. His emphasis
will be upon inner adornment rather than outward
adornment. Women are to pray in public, but they
should not dress up from the viewpoint of appealing
to God in a sexual or physical way.
I want to make it very clear that
I feel that a woman should dress as nicely as she
possibly can. There is nothing wrong with a woman
dressing in a way that is appealing to her husband
(or, if she is single, to a man). I have made this
statement before, and one lady wrote me in reaction
to it:
I never
thought I’d see the day when I would feel a need to
take you to task over anything. Usually I agree with
you on everything that you say. But on Friday
morning in your last study in Proverbs, I guess you
hit a raw nerve. You were admonishing young men on
choosing a wife, and you said, “First of all, make
sure she’s
a
Christian.” I agree with that. Then you said, “And
if possible, choose a pretty one.” Really, Dr.
McGee, do you think that’s quite fair? After all,
there are far more plain, ordinary-looking girls and
women than really pretty ones, and pray tell, where
would they be if men chose only pretty ones? I
happen to be one of those plain, ordinary-looking
women, and I’m so glad my husband didn’t choose one
of the pretty ones, or I’d have missed out on
twenty-five years of happy married life. I’m not
really angry with you. How could I be when you’ve
taught me so much of the deep truths of God’s Word?
I just wanted you to know that I think you ought to
say a little something for us women whom the Lord
did not choose to bless with physical beauty.
I want to say something to that
woman and to others: Have you ever stopped to
realize that when your husband fell in love with you
he thought you were beautiful? Yes, he did. I shall
never forget the night that I met my wife. It was a
summer night in Texas, and we were invited to the
home of mutual friends for dinner. Frankly, these
friends were trying to bring us together. I didn’t
want to go because I had an engagement in Fort Worth
that night. My wife didn’t want to go because she
was going with another fellow! But that night when I
saw her—I never shall forget her dark hair, her
brown eyes—there in the candlelight I looked at her,
and I fell in love with her. I proposed to her on
our second date, and the reason I didn’t propose on
that first date was that I didn’t want her to think
I was in a hurry! She’d never won a beauty contest,
but she was beautiful. How wonderful it was!
I have a notion your husband
thought you were beautiful also, and there is
nothing wrong in dressing in a way to be attractive
to him. But when you go to God in prayer, you don’t
need that outward adornment. You need that inward
adornment. When a woman is going to sing in church,
to speak or to have any part in a church service,
she ought to keep in mind that her appeal should in
no way be on the basis of sex. She should seek to
please God, and there is no way in which she can
appeal to Him on the basis of sex at all. Such
appeal characterized the pagan religions in the
Roman world, and Paul is stressing that it should
not be a part of the public services of the
Christian churches.
Let the woman learn in silence
with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to
teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to
be in silence [1 Tim. 2:11–12].
These verses have to do with the
learning and teaching of doctrine. Keep in mind that
the women led in the mystery religions of Paul’s
day, and they were sex orgies. Paul is cautioning
women not to speak publicly with the idea of making
an appeal on the basis of sex. Paul strictly forbade
women to speak in tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:34.
For Adam was first formed,
then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but
the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be
saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and
charity and holiness with sobriety [1 Tim. 2:13–15].
It was the sin of Eve that
brought sin into the world. Now every time a woman
bears a child, she brings a
sinner
into the world—that is all she can bring into the
world. But Mary brought the Lord Jesus, the Savior
into the world. So how are women saved? By
childbearing—because Mary brought the Savior into
the world. Don’t ever say that woman brought sin
into the world, unless you are prepared to add that
woman also brought the Savior into the world. My
friend, no man
provided a Savior: a
woman did. However,
each individual woman is saved by faith, the same as
each man is saved by faith. She is to grow in love
and holiness just as a man is.
McGee, J.
Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary.
electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson,
1997, c1981, S. 5:439-440
Response to Comment: "We haven't explored only a tiny
portion of the oceans.. in fact, there is only a tiny portion of the
oceans we haven't studied! Those places are so inhospitable
to life that it's really, really hard to go there."
It is really hard to get there. "No more than five percent of the
world's ocean floors has been charted with any degree of reliability. In fact,
scientists know more about our moon's surface than the bottom of Earth's oceans
(See: Navel Meteorology & Oceanography Command
http://www.navmetoccom.navy.mil/educate/neptune/trivia/man.htm).
Response to Comment: "I really hate even trying to debate anything
scientific with you, because it's clear you're out of your league here.
Maybe if you studied [science] instead of religion, you'd be on the other side
of things. Most of us have done both, and that's why we are here
now...Leave the hard stuff to men in white coats, hmm?"
You must have gone to college. I found after graduating from
college that Lord had something of actual importance to teach me.
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