aculturewarrior wrote: A thread on what is happening on TOL...
A series of threads during ban for revealing what moderators have done in the past
"Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Mk 9:41, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Mt 13:7, Jud 1:9
While You Were Away
"A man always has two reasons for doing anything: a good reason and the real reason."
~ J. P. Morgan
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
aculturewarrior wrote: A thread on what is happening on TOL...
Didn't Delmar ask members to refrain from updating threads in a thread of conversation? Perhaps that rule applies only to me? Silence the Critic.
"News is the unfolding of Christian history." ~ Bob Enyart
Flashback:
CattyFan
You must have survived on your good looks. If you can
figure out what they want,
more power to ya (2 Chr 19:5–7, 1 Pe 5:3, Pr 13:10).
~ Andrew Carnegie
aCultureWarrior wrote: I assume you peek into TOL on occasion and see what's going on...
No. When we are banned we are supposed to sit and sulk
in 'time out' (Nu 27:16–17). One cannot retrieve messages that would indicate which post got
him banned. I
already know which post got me banned--telling the truth
about what moderators have done in the past (Ex 18:21).
Open
rebuke is better Than love carefully concealed (Pr
27:5).
TOL restricts devices previously used to
log on
(e.g. laptop, smartphone, etc.).
I have been in other locations that would have allowed
me to view posts; but, when I'm banned I just stay
away--that's the idea.
aCultureWarrior wrote: Being banned never kept me for viewing TOL threads and posts.
aCultureWarrior wrote: . Actually I do some of my best work when I'm banned (table of contents; preparing comments for when I return, etc.)
~ Harold S. Geneen
aculturewarrior wrote:Why I oughta.
Admit it, you enjoy my company here (even though I am not currently banned).
~ Peter Drucker
aCultureWarrior wrote: "Hanging out with a troublemaker like yourself probably doesn't help my future chances of not being banned."
See:
aCultureWarrior wrote: Ya know, I just might have to buy you a lifetime membership (at a discounted rate of course) the next time the opportunity presents itself.
Why? Because you're worth it kid.
That might be a bad investment considering my tract
record.
Donate to Thru the Bible instead.
They are interested in sharing the word of God
not hindering it.
Others need to be reconciled with God (Mt 16:18).
Men need the word
in their own language (Ro 10:14-15).
They
work in Jesus' name.
aCultureWarrior wrote: I've always wanted to do this:
When I was a kid there was this great little café that served "spudnuts", burgers and a variety of drinks (chocolate cokes, etc). The guy that ran it was a grumpy old man. One time a group of high school boys came into the café while I was there and put some money into the jukebox and left. They played the same obnoxious song 3 times, driving the grumpy old man that ran the joint crazy.
I was thinking about doing that on TOL. Buy some obnoxious guy like Christian Liberty a lifetime membership, and leaving TOL to enjoy his insane rants, all the while leaving TOL and never looking back. LOL, don't worry, I'm cold, but not that cold.
aculturewarrior wrote:I have this theory...
aculturewarrior wrote:...There are really only about a dozen or two TOL'ers, but they use so many different usernames that it gives TOL the appearance that there are many more.
(Call me naturally suspicious).
NoBrain is upset about my
signature regarding Plastik Buddah (Eph 5:11) because he
is Plastik
Buddah?
Won't the real Slim Shady
please stand up?
aCultureWarrior wrote: M&M
I'm a Liar
aculturewarrior wrote: Sooooo...how ya been?
Tremendous. People say all kinds of things that aren't true. Thank them. You've taken God's position on an issue that has gotten you into that trouble. You can offer that up as praise to him (1 Pe 4:14).
aculturewarrior wrote:...[T]he pagans and atheists at TOL continuously tell me...
If you
disagree with them,
you're evil (Eccl 10:2, Jn
10:10).
You lie. You're a:
sexist, Islamophobic,
xenophobic, homophobic, racist,
bigot (Prager).
"The
closer you get to the line of
fire, the greater the battle
will be." ~ Jeff Schwarzentraub
See:
aCultureWarrior wrote: Your forgot "Nazi".
aCultureWarrior wrote: Jn 15:18
aCultureWarrior wrote: That being said, I did try to get a lifetime membership out of a debate for you (long story).
Lifetime. I can't even
make it though an afternoon
there
if I tell the truth (1 Pe 5:3).
aCultureWarrior wrote: What the heck? I go out and do some yard work and come back in to see that you're banned again. Someone at TOL obviously has it out for you.
aCultureWarrior wrote: You do know that I'm not far behind.
aCultureWarrior wrote: I just logged on and read your infraction. 3 points huh? People that curse and defend all kinds of perversion get less than that.
aCultureWarrior wrote: How long is the ban for?
aCultureWarrior wrote: I'm going to paint my face like Frankenstein (it won't take much makeup).
aCultureWarrior wrote: (No Leslie, we're not at all alike).
According to AB, I'm not as attractive as the skanky hoe Angela Jolie.
aCultureWarrior wrote: Happy Halloween
I assume that you and your hubby denied your children the pleasure of this ever so evil pagan holiday?
Happy
Halloween to you, too!
Let's not
give this day over to the
pagans. We can had out
Christian tracts
for example.
What to do
with all of this time on my
hands.
He maketh me to lie down in
green pastures (Ps 23:2).
See:
Psalm 23
aCultureWarrior wrote: [...Halloween growing up] "...[N]ow you're just a couple of religious fanatics.
aCultureWarrior wrote:Resist the devil. Don't dress up like him (Jas 4:7).
We drove by several churches tonight that were doing trunk or treat in their parking lots. Damn pagans.
See:
Spiritual Gifts
Have you discussed the
"affordable" health insurance
law (not healthcare--all
Americans get healthcare--not
all Americans have health
insurance) and its push
which originated in the Sodomite
community during the AIDS scare?
Insurance is all about risk.
They practice risky behavior
and want to be sure that you and
I pay for it.
"Liberty is not a value of the
Left. Equality is." ~ Dennis
Prager
Obama said:
"It's hard but it's worth it. It
is the right thing to do..."
Ex 20:15, Isa 5:20
Related:
aCultureWarrior wrote:
I'm currently working on a post for my thread based on the two part article "The High Cost of Sodomy" (financial cost). If you have a link for the above showing that homosexuals were originally behind UHC (the AIDS epidemic is going strong, so the "scare" is far from over), it would be helpful.
Abstract: Some treatment
requests from gay patients
seriously conflict with the
religious or moral beliefs of
their respective medical
providers. Not all legal
solutions to these disputes
serve the common good.
Therefore, this article proposes
that state healthcare conscience
protection statutes provide the
most effective way to resolve
these liberty conflicts and to
serve the medical needs of all
patients. Part one of this
manuscript showcases four
clinical scenarios that
illustrate how a clash of
liberty claims between
homosexual patients and their
respective clinicians could play
out within today's healthcare
setting. Part two describes the
centrifugal legal forces that
are shaping judicial opinion to
favor sexual liberty interests
over religious conscience
concerns. Part three argues for
a tri-phasic political solution.
We encourage healthcare
providers: (1) to present their
state legislators with a
conscience primer-reasons why,
as legislative guardians of the
common good, they need to care
about conscience protection for
healthcare professionals; (2) to
prevail upon their legislators
to sponsor and enact robust
state healthcare conscience
protections; and (3) to dialogue
with the gay community and their
advocates, making the case that,
first, diversity of the
marketplace is the most
effective way to match the
diverse needs of all patients
and, second, a dialogical,
rather than a coercive, method
of accessing care is the best
way to serve the good of all.
[ABSTRACT FROM AUTHOR]
Works Cited
MIRKES, SISTER RENÉE, and EDWARD
A. MORSE. "Conscience And
Competing Liberty Claims."
Ethics & Medicine: An
International Journal Of
Bioethics 29.1 (2013): 23-39.
Academic Search Premier. Web. 3
Nov. 2013.
Abstract:
BACKGROUND: The literature
documents significant claims of
experienced prejudice in
healthcare delivery in
relationship to ethnicity, race,
female gender, and homosexual
orientation. Studies link
perceived prejudice with
negative healthcare outcomes,
particularly in hypertension,
heart disease, depression, and
human immunodeficiency virus or
acquired immune deficiency
syndrome. OBJECTIVES: To examine
the impact of perceived
prejudice in healthcare delivery
on women's early cancer
detection behavior and women's
decisions to seek care for
illness symptoms. METHODS:
Community women stratified by
age, income, education, and race
or ethnicity were surveyed
regarding healthcare visits and
cancer detection behavior.
Perceived and experienced
prejudice in healthcare delivery
was measured by the Perceived
Prejudice in Health Care Scale
and follow-up interview.
RESULTS: Experienced prejudice
in healthcare delivery was
linked significantly with failed
adherence to cancer screening
guidelines and fewer provider
visits for serious illness.
After controlling for
demographics, experienced
prejudice explained significant
variance in perceived access to
care. Although many who
experienced prejudice in
relationship to their race,
income level, sexual
orientation, or a combination of
these returned for healthcare
services, others were alienated
sufficiently to decrease their
health protective behavior.
DISCUSSION: Subjective
perceptions of prejudice are a
significant influence in women's
health protective behaviors.
These findings demonstrate that
policies requiring healthcare
teams to be trained in
professional ethics and cultural
competence are vital to the goal
of quality in care delivery and
are needed to achieve optimal
healthcare outcomes for women.
[ABSTRACT FROM AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Noreen, Facione. "Perceived
Prejudice In Healthcare And
Women's Health Protective
Behavior." Nursing Research 56.3
(2007): 175-184. Academic Search
Premier. Web. 3 Nov. 2013.
Abstract: Background: General
practitioners (GPs) have been
identified as a key resource for
people with sexual health
concerns. However, research
indicates that general
practitioners feel unprepared to
deal with sexual health,
especially with lesbian, gay and
bisexual (LGB) patients. Aim: To
identify the training needs of
general practitioners in the
exploration of sexual health
matters and providing sexual
healthcare to lesbian, gay and
bisexual patients. Methods:
Qualitative methodology using
topic-guided interviews and
focus groups with general
practitioners and lesbian, gay,
bisexual community members in
Ireland. In addition, final year
medical students at University
College Cork completed a
mixed-methods survey. Results:
General practitioner
participants rarely broached
sexual health topics, and were
unaware of the sexual
orientation of their patients or
the specific health needs of
lesbian, gay and bisexual
patients. Participants
identified numerous barriers to
the discussion of sexual health.
To overcome these barriers,
respondents recommended better
medical training using a variety
of methods to increase awareness
of sexual and LGB health issues.
Conclusion: General
practitioners in Ireland lack
awareness of the unique health
issues of lesbian, gay and
bisexual patients and it is,
therefore, essential that
medical training programs
develop better training
curricula in sexual health and
LGB health issues. [ABSTRACT
FROM AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Stott, Don Brandon. "The
Training Needs Of General
Practitioners In The Exploration
Of Sexual Health Matters And
Providing Sexual Healthcare To
Lesbian, Gay And Bisexual
Patients." Medical Teacher 35.9
(2013): 752-759. Academic Search
Premier. Web. 3 Nov. 2013.
Abstract: The present study was
carried out in order to examine
the attitudes of health care
providers and of homosexual and
bisexual individuals towards
gays. The study, which was
contemplated as descriptive and
a correlation research, was
carried out with 294 individuals
who applied to the Lambda and
Kaos GL Associations, and 261
health care providers employed
at the Bülent Ecevit
Üniversitesi Uygulama ve
Araştırma Hastanesi (Bülent
Ecevit University Application
and Research Hospital). The
study was carried out between
October 2010 and February 2011.
The data were collected through
"Homosexuality Attitudes Scale",
"The Attitudes Towards Lesbians
and Gay Men Scale" via
"Socio-demographical Information
Form Addressed Towards LGBTT
Individuals" and
"Socio-demographical Information
Form Addressed Towards Health
Providers Employed at the
Hospital". It was determined
that married health providers;
those thinking
homosexuality/bisexuality is a
disease or a disorder (p=0,002);
and those who do not have a
homosexual/bisexual member in
their families (p=0.022) tend to
be more homophobic; it was also
observed that, married LGBTT
individuals (p=0.036); LGBTT
individuals working in the
public sector, are self-employed
or business owners (p=0.00); and
LGBTT individuals who are
"always" timid of being
homosexual/bisexual (p=0.00),
tend to be more homophobic. We
found that not knowing any
homosexual individuals, being
married and thinking that
homosexuality is a disease were
effective in the development of
negative attitudes towards LGBTT
individuals. [ABSTRACT FROM
AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Akhan, Latife Utaş, and Gül
Ünsal Barlas. "Study Of Health
Care Providers And Attitudes
Against Homosexual, Bisexual
Individuals." International
Journal Of Human Sciences 10.1
(2013): 434-444. Academic Search
Premier. Web. 3 Nov. 2013.
Abstract: Lesbian, gay,
bisexual, transgender, and queer
(LGBTQ) identified patients
report receiving substandard
care from healthcare providers.
They face the fear and
disturbing reality of
discrimination when accessing
health care. Without culturally
sensitive treatment, nursing and
other health professions do not
properly care for this
population. Following the recent
trend towards awareness and need
for inclusion of LGBTQ
populations in healthcare, this
paper provides a summary of the
current literature on the
treatment and needs of LGBTQ
people and describes focus
groups conducted to explore
perceptions regarding provider
behaviors. It concludes with a
list of behaviors that enhance
or impede quality care that can
serve as a guide for healthcare
professionals. [ABSTRACT FROM
AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Rounds, Kelsey E, Barbara Burns
Mcgrath, and Elaine Walsh.
"Perspectives On Provider
Behaviors: A Qualitative Study
Of Sexual And Gender Minorities
Regarding Quality Of Care."
Contemporary Nurse: A Journal
For The Australian Nursing
Profession 44.1 (2013): 99-110.
Academic Search Premier. Web. 3
Nov. 2013.
Abstract: Narratives can provide
insight into the values through
which people interpret their own
lives and the meaning which they
ascribe to them. Gay men, since
the 1970s, have developed a
pattern of narratives whereby
they choose to be open and
honest about their homosexuality
as opposed to being secretive or
dishonest about it. This paper
explores the ways in which gay
men develop and share narratives
with one another as they pursue
an improvement in their mental
or emotional well-being.
Semi-structured interviews were
conducted with 38 service users
of services targeted at gay men.
This study demonstrates that
while being open about their
sexuality is a shared element in
narratives among gay men, their
homosexuality alone does not
inform these narratives. Gay men
are able to develop and share
narratives with other men who
share further dimensions to
their experience such as their
health status or their
ethnicity. Given the stressful
nature of gay commercial meeting
places and the mistrust often
found between gay men and
healthcare practitioners in
relation to homosexuality, the
development and sharing of
narratives has the potential to
promote well-being, which is not
often achieved in other
settings. [ABSTRACT FROM AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Cant, Bob. "Gay Men's Narratives
And The Pursuit Of Well-Being In
Healthcare Settings: A London
Study." Critical Public Health
18.1 (2008): 41-50. Academic
Search Premier. Web. 3 Nov.
2013.
Abstract: Coming out as gay is a
social process which redefines
the relationship between the
persons who have decided to
disclose their homosexuality and
their listeners. This paper,
drawing upon Bakhtin's (1984)
theories of dialogue, the
coming-out literature of gay men
and lesbians and contemporary
literature on doctor–patient
communication, explores the
coming-out experiences of gay
men with their general
practitioners and sexual health
clinic staff. The findings are
based upon a study of 38 gay men
and 12 health service managers
in London. The informants were
recruited purposively to reflect
some of the diversity of the
London setting; recruitment was
carried out through the channels
of gay voluntary organisations
and through snowballing.
Semi-structured interviews were
conducted and a grounded-theory
approach was adopted. It was
found that coming out in general
practice was often/mostly
followed by silence/noncommunication
on the part of the practitioner;
coming out could, however,
result in an improvement in
communication if the patients
were well supported and
assertive. If coming out in
sexual health clinics did not
result in improved
communication, the informants in
this study were likely to change
clinics until they did find
improved communication. This
paper raises questions about the
communication and training needs
of general practitioners. It
also raises questions about
inequalities of access to
‘respectful’ sexual health
clinics; while men who are
articulate about the narratives
of their lives as gay men are
able to exercise informed
choices, there were grounds for
concern about the choice
behaviours of men who are less
articulate about their life
narratives. [ABSTRACT FROM
AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Cant, Bob. "Exploring The
Implications For Health
Professionals Of Men Coming Out
As Gay In Healthcare Settings."
Health & Social Care In The
Community 14.1 (2006): 9-16.
Academic Search Premier. Web. 3
Nov. 2013.
Abstract: Objectives: To
describe interactions between
men who have sex with men (MSM)
and healthcare workers (HCW) in
pen-urban township communities
in South Africa. Method:
Qualitative study using
semistructured in-depth
interviews and focus group
discussions in the Gauteng
province townships of Soweto and
Mamelodi. 32 MSM were
purposively sampled for in-depth
interviews and 15 for focus
group discussions. Topics
explored included identity,
sexuality, community life, use
of health services and
experiences of stigma and
discrimination. Results: MSM
felt their options for non-stigmatising
sexual healthcare services were
limited by homophobic verbal
harassment by HCW.
Gay-identified men sought out
clinics with reputations for
employing HCW who respected
their privacy and their
sexuality and challenged those
HCW who mistreated them.
Non-gay-identified MSM presented
masculine, heterosexual
identities when presenting for
sexual health problems and
avoided discussing their
sexuality with HCW. Conclusions:
The strategies MSM employ to
confront or avoid homophobia
from HCW may not be conducive to
sexual health promotion in this
population. Interventions that
increase the capacity of public
sector HCW to provide
appropriate sexual health
services to MSM are urgently
needed. [ABSTRACT FROM AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Lane, I., et al. "They See You
As A Different Thing": The
Experiences Of Men Who Have Sex
With Men With Healthcare Workers
In South African Township
Communities." Sexually
Transmitted Infections 84.6
(2008): 430-433. Academic Search
Premier. Web. 3 Nov. 2013.
Abstract: The article mentions
that previous negative
encounters with the healthcare
system, keeps gay, lesbian,
bisexual,
transgender/transsexual, queer,
and/or questioning (GLBTQ)
individuals away from partaking
in regular screening of medical
conditions. It states that it
matters to consider factors such
as age, the place of their
upbringing and the age at which
they open up to themselves and
to the crowd, when caring for a
GLBTQ patient. It notes that
homophobia in healthcare does
exist.
Works Cited
Pettinato, Maria. "Providing
Care For GLBTQ Patients."
Nursing 42.12 (2012): 22.
MasterFILE Premier. Web. 3 Nov.
2013.
Abstract: The article discusses
the major healthcare problems of
lesbian, gay, bisexual,
transgender and
queer/questioning (LGBTQ)
patients in the U.S. including
the assumptions of nurses that
all people are heterosexual. It
states that hospitals and
clinics in the country often
lack records of information
about same-sex relationships and
families. It also explains the
concept of sexuality which
refers to the biological,
psychological and social factors
that make up human reproduction
and pair bonding.
Works Cited
Eliason, Michele J.Chinn,
PeggyDibble, Suzanne L.DeJoseph,
Jeanne. "Open The Door For LGBTQ
Patients." Nursing 43.8 (2013):
44. MasterFILE Premier. Web. 3
Nov. 2013.
Abstract: Epidemiological data
indicate that HIV and AIDS are
disproportionately affecting
American Indians. Specific to
American Indian men identifying
as gay, bisexual, two-spirit or
who have same-sex experiences,
this study assessed HIV-risk
behaviours and barriers to
testing, prevention and
treatment efforts. A rapid
assessment model was utilised as
an indigenous-supporting
research design. Rigour and
thoroughness were achieved via
multiple validation procedures.
Central themes surrounding
barriers to HIV prevention
included social discrimination,
low self-esteem and substance
use. Findings suggest the
underutilisation of condoms due
to ineffective placement and
limited availability in popular
locations among gay, bisexual
and two-spirit individuals.
Participants indicated that HIV
testing is occurring less
frequently and that testing was
not available after hours or
weekends. Barriers to treatment
included a mistrust of the
current healthcare system, a
perceived lack of support from
the Indian Health Service for
AIDS care and a lack of
transportation to healthcare
appointments. Lastly,
participants discussed and
supported culturally-sensitive
treatment services. This study
calls attention to the value of
an American Indian-specific
HIV/AIDS service organisation,
the presence of indigenous
service providers in the
community and
culturally-sensitive healthcare
providers. [ABSTRACT FROM
AUTHOR]
Works Cited
Burks, Derek J., Rockey Robbins,
and Jayson P. Durtschi.
"American Indian Gay, Bisexual
And Two-Spirit Men: A Rapid
Assessment Of HIV/AIDS Risk
Factors, Barriers To Prevention
And Culturally-Sensitive
Intervention." Culture, Health &
Sexuality 13.3 (2011): 283-298.
Academic Search Premier. Web. 3
Nov. 2013.
Related:
How The Latest HIV Scare In The
Porn Industry Highlights The
Benefits Of Obamacare
aculturewarrior wrote:Thanks for the informative post, you did your homework.
That's
where we are now (2 Pe 3:3, Jud
18).
We don't need to look for more
signs. We have enough of
those. We look for Jesus'
return (Rogers). 2 Pe 3:3
Homosexuality is wrong because
God said it's wrong (Lev 18:22,
20:13, 1 Ki 14:24, Ro 1:24, 26,
27).
aculturewarrior wrote:Yet after seeing the facts behind the behavior and the agenda that is associated with it, even unbelievers would know that it's wrong.
Did you catch this recent message by Bob Enyart?
aCultureWarrior wrote: I'm familiar with Michael Brown from interviews he's done with Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality. I also commented in Jefferson's thread with that link.
I missed your comment.
aCultureWarrior wrote: Are you going to be my sidekick when you return, and help me take on the vast amount of moral degenerates that come into my thread...I usually write to those who disagree with me.
Thomas Fuller Heb 13:17, Ro 13:1–4
aculturewarrior wrote:I see that you have a new member. Do you read Chinese? (or is it Korean?).
[Hacked
site to
advertise
Viagra]
First,
it was
impotent
Russians.
Now,
impotent
Chinese.
See:
Pornography
aculturewarrior wrote:...[N]o one said it was going to be easy being the boss. You're lucky that I haven't started acting up.
You're always acting up (Lk 9:54).
~ Daniel Defoe
Q: What
happens
when a
Mexican
and an
China
man make
a baby?
A: A car
thief
who
can't
actually
drive is
born.
Flashback:
Asiana
Airlines
to sue
KTVU-TV
over
fake
pilot
names
blunder
aculturewarrior wrote:DWA's are notorious around these parts:
"Driving While Asian".
Hongcouver
too, eh?
Asian
driver
family
guy
aculturewarrior wrote:[Asian driver family guy] How much tv do you watch?
aCultureWarrior wrote: LOL...I can't stomach the Family Guy either. Aside from the often times perverted theme, every time I see the family dog it reminds me of the former? Satanist's previous avatar.
aculturewarrior wrote: My wife just bought a Prius...
aCultureWarrior wrote: ...I'm envious of the great gas mileage she gets.No kidding. Fuel prices have necessarily skyrocketed like everything else.
~ Henry Miller
aculturewarrior wrote:[Ban] ...How many more days until your return? Or are we even counting?
It's
'til 30 Nov. Time is flying by.
aCultureWarrior wrote: The place just hasn't been the same without cha.
Welcome New Members
~ Harold S. Geneen
aculturewarrior wrote:I see that we have a new member:
neroEndozyden from Azerbaijan (my favorite travel destination point).
Welcome neroE!
aculturewarrior wrote:See what you get for traveling the world?
Forum Security
aculturewarrior wrote:Is there a way you can keep spammers out? Perhaps an email verification before allowing entry into the forum and some kind of number/letter verification code so that only humans and not bots can access it?
~ John H. Johnson
Learn Chinese in 3 easy lessons!
aculturewarrior wrote: With all of your new members coming from China, it looks like we just might have to.
aculturewarrior wrote:Sigh, I miss the good ole days when a person could tell an off colored joke without being called "racist!" and being brought up on civil rights violation charges.
People Who Annoy You - South Park
Half way through the ban.
Related:
President Obama follows @ihateniggers on Twitter
Update: Obama unfollows
'I Hate Niggers' - Die Hard with a Vengeance
NBA Player on 'Nigga': 'Get Used to It' Because It's Like 'Bro' Bro
aCultureWarrior wrote: I was getting freaked out by looking at the numbers 666. 6 topics, 66 posts.
Make this one post #67.
aculturewarrior wrote:Acts 17:22 - So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects."
Paul would gladly have slept in a hotel on the 13th floor in room 666 with a black cat who had just passed under a ladder at his feet.
"Rhetorical Use of Numbers. Old Testament numbers are often used for poetic or rhetorical impact. This usage is neither literal nor symbolic. Used in this way, these numbers may indicate such concepts as few or many, or they may be used to intensify a point. In Amos 1:9, the phrase, “For three transgressions of Tyre, and for four” provides not a catalogue but an emphatic statement of Tyre’s sins. A similar usage is found in Proverbs 30. These are examples of a climactic formula, which builds stylistic progression and anticipation. The quantity itself, in such cases, is often indefinite.
Some Bible students have devised intricate systems for foretelling the future that revolve around symbolic usages of numbers. Some uses of the number seven in the Bible itself fall into this category. Many times seven is important as a symbol rather than a number. It is used almost 600 times in the Bible. Often it expresses the idea of completeness or perfection. To identify any other number as a symbol leaves the interpreter on very shaky ground. The number 12 may be a primary number on which numbers or decimals were built, and the number 40 may have some significance as a round number representing a generation.
Some interpreters use a system that attempts to find hidden meanings in the Bible by using elaborate codes based on the numerical values of the individual letters. A few interpreters have sought a mystical numerical pattern that establishes the correctness of the text, thus proving to their satisfaction the divine authority of the Bible.
Even considering its shorter length, the New Testament contains substantially less numerical data than the Old Testament. Most New Testament numbers are enumerations of groups of figures taken from the business world used to illustrate a point. With the possible exception of the genealogy in Matthew 1, there are no special signs for numbers in the New Testament. As they are in the Old Testament, numbers are always written out in full.
The only mystical use of a number in the Bible occurs in Revelation 13:18. Attempts to identify the meaning of 666 (some manuscripts have 616) have generally been more clever than convincing. Like every other feature in God’s Word, numbers should be studied with considerable care." Youngblood, R. F., Bruce, F. F., & Harrison, R. K., Thomas Nelson Publishers (Eds.). (1995). In Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, Inc.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six [Rev. 13:18].
Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of man; and his number is six hundred and sixty and six.
"“Here is wisdom” seems to be a rather ironical declaration when we consider the maze of speculation that has been accumulated through the centuries on this verse.
In the Greek there is a very beautiful arrangement of this number.
hexakosioi
—
600
hexekonta
—
60
hex
—
6
A numerical value is attached to each letter to be sure, but we must let it stand there, for the visible number of the Beast and its meaning await the day of his manifestation. And I do not believe he has yet been manifested. This number has made a nice little jigsaw puzzle for a lot of people to play at, but, my friend, you will not know who he is until you get to the Great Tribulation period.
I would suggest that we not waste our time trying to identify a person by this number. Instead, we need to present Jesus Christ that we might reduce the population of those who have to go through the Great Tribulation period and who will therefore know what the number of the Beast is.
I am not anxious to know the number of the Beast, and I am thankful I will not have to live in that period. I am very thankful today that I know Jesus Christ as my Savior. Instead of spending time with Antichrist, I want to know Christ. I can say with Paul: “That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death” (Phil. 3:10).
The only positive and important item for us today is that the first beast is a man. This teaches me not to trust man. “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit” (Jer. 17:5–8).
The passage in Revelation does not interest me a bit as to what the number of the Beast is or who he is or anything about him, but it makes me want to know Jesus Christ more, because my plan is to be with Him—not because of who I am or what I have done, but because Jesus Christ died for me on the cross, and by His grace I will go into His presence." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 6-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 59, pp. 186–187). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
Also see:
What is biblical numerology? Do the numbers in the Bible have a hidden meaning?
aculturewarrior wrote: From the thread "TOL Folks I'd like to share Thanksgiving with":
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I'd like to have Thanksgiving dinner with a few of my Christian conservative friends who along with yours truly, have been banned somewhat frequently here on TOL, resurrected and serpentdove to name two.
We could call it "a brown-noseless dinner". link
"The beautiful people-- they believe in free speech diversity and tolerance." ~ Bob Enyart Jn 8:36
The so-called peacemakers at TOL don't have God's peace (Gal. 2:3-4, Mt 5:9).
That'd be awesome.
They banned Resurrected, too? We'll have to invite him to our island of misfit toys. Deut 14:2, Lk 5:31
Recommended reading:
David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants by Malcolm Gladwell
~ E. Joseph Cossman
Will you be inviting CL aka RP, too?
aCultureWarrior wrote: Will I be inviting Christian Liberty to our esteemed dinner? LOL...don't you think one turkey is enough?
~ Charles de Gaulle
aCultureWarrior wrote: Resurrected gets banned quite often for his alleged harassment of Town Heretic...
aCultureWarrior wrote: [TH] ...I pointed out in the thread I attached in the earlier post is a fraudulent Christian...
"Samuel Adams (1722-1803) was a signer of the Declaration
of Independence. He issued this proclamation on October 6, 1796 as governor of
Massachusetts in which he declared December 15, 1796 a day of Thanksgiving.
1796 Massachusetts Thanksgiving Proclamation
Joseph Reed (1741-1785) was a signer of the Articles of Confederation. He issued
this proclamation on November 29, 1779 as president of Pennsylvania in which he
declared December 9, 1779 a day of Thanksgiving. 1779 Pennsylvania Thanksgiving Proclamation
John Hancock (1731-1793) was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. He
issued this proclamation on October 28, 1784 as governor of Massachusetts in
which he declared November 25, 1784 a day of Thanksgiving. 1784 Massachusetts Thanksgiving Proclamation
Thomas Mifflin (1744-1800) was a signer of the United States Constitution. He
issued this proclamation on November 14, 1793 as governor of Pennsylvania in
which he declared December 12, 1793 a day of Thanksgiving. 1793 Pennsylvania Thanksgiving Proclamation
A Thanksgiving sermon preached by Joseph Willard (1738-1804) in Boston on
December 11, 1783. Rev. Willard used Psalm 118:27 as the basis for this 1783
Thanksgiving sermon. 1783 Thanksgiving Sermon
A Thanksgiving sermon preached by Evan Johns (1763-1849) in Connecticut on
November 24, 1803. Pastor Johns used Psalm 144:15 as the basis for this 1804
Thanksgiving sermon. 1803 Thanksgiving Sermon
A Thanksgiving sermon preached by Reverend Joseph Hodges, Jr. in North Oxford,
Massachusetts on November 25, 1852. Rev. Hodges used Psalm 68:19 as the basis
for this 1852. Thanksgiving sermon. 1852 Thanksgiving Sermon" WallBuilders.com
Get Along with Everybody at Your Thanksgiving Dinner Table?
aCultureWarrior wrote: I can put up with my in-laws twice a year. (But why does that twice have to be within a month of each other?)
aCultureWarrior wrote: I'm blessed to have a beautiful intelligent Christian wife who loves to cook.
(And she is blessed to have a husband that loves to eat her cooking).
aCultureWarrior wrote:
I bet that like everything else you do, you're an excellent cook as well.
aCultureWarrior wrote: The last couple of years she's brined the turkey and it's turned out mouth watering tasty. She also fixes a killer Pomegranate pie
aCultureWarrior wrote: ...and starts our day off with a bacon-hash brown-cheese-cream of chicken/sour cream/melted-topped off with French fried onions breakfast.
aCultureWarrior wrote: Did you not get the memo sd? Jesus is the reason for the season! (I just say NO! to crowds of people that are all about consumerism).
On that note: Happy Thanksgiving!
~ John F. Kennedy