[Court in shock
as Norway gunman describes massacre By Karl Ritter, Associated Press] "Oslo,
Norway (AP) — In testimony too graphic for any parent to hear, Norwegian
far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik shocked an Oslo courtroom Friday as
he calmly described hunting down teenagers on an island summer camp.
As his words rolled out, survivors and victims' relatives of the July 22 massacre hugged and sobbed, trying to comfort each other. That testimony was also broadcast to 17 other courtrooms in Norway where others affected by the attacks were gathered, but was not carried live on Norwegian television.
The 33-year-old Norwegian left out no detail from his rampage, explaining how he shot panicked youths at point-blank range. Sixty-nine people, mostly teenagers, were killed on Utoya island and others only survived by diving into chilly waters to escape.
Breivik said he did not anticipate his victims' reactions.
"Some of them are completely paralyzed. They cannot run. They stand totally still. This is something they never show on TV," Breivik said. "It was very strange."
Breivik has admitted to setting off a bomb July 22 in Oslo, killing eight people, before opening fire to the governing Labor Party's annual youth camp on Utoya island. But he has pleaded not guilty to criminal charges, saying his victims had betrayed Norway by embracing immigration.
The main goal of the trial, now in its fifth day, is to figure out whether Breivik was sane or insane — two official reports have come to opposite conclusions on that point.
Looking tense but focused, Breivik spoke calmly about the shooting rampage, beginning with the moment he took a small ferry to Utoya, an island in a lake outside Oslo. He was disguised as a policeman, carrying a rifle and a handgun. He also brought drinking water because he knew he would get a dry throat from the stress of killing people..." Full text: Court in shock as Norway gunman describes massacre
He can get 21 years. Is that justice? Nu 35:31
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "World's a mess."
"People? They're the worse." ~ Seinfeld
Response to comment [from an atheist]: "If the death penalty were on the table, would he have been so open with his confession?"
Probably not. He's lecturing the courtroom about his ideology.
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "We don't have the death penalty and we follow the law, it really is that simple."
Do you live there? Whose law do you follow?
"[The] [d]eath penalty won't accomplish anything except making him see himself as some sort of martyr for his deranged cause."
The Bible says that the death penalty shall not be remitted (Num. 35:31). What do you think the parents of the children believe? Do you think they agree with God right about now?
"Yes, I live there."
I'm sorry. We are bad enough. You are worse.
"I follow and respect the laws of my country."
Laws come from God (Mt 5:18). That's for man to figure out (Prov. 14:34).
the word of God (2 Tim. 2:15; Jas. 1:18).
[The Dissolution of Core Values: Development of Crime and Society in Postwar Scandinavia with an Emphasis on Norwegian Circumstances] "...Postwar Social Development...If one looks back on Norway's near postwar period--the 1950s--we had a homogeneous and stable society. The Labour Party had a clear majority in the Parliament, we had full employment, and a wide stratum of the population enjoyed a gradual increase in prosperity. A modern welfare state with increasingly better social security was beginning to take form. The use of private automobiles was limited to only those granted public permits, and television was an unknown American phenomenon that we read about or saw in films. Criminality was under control, the public trusted the police and the courts, mother was at home taking care of her children, and marriages usually lasted a lifetime. The situation was roughly the same in Denmark, and Sweden--which had not experienced the German occupation--epitomized this pattern of development.
From the mid-1960s, a development started which continued at least through the mid-1990s and has brought the Scandinavian countries out of their state of innocence, for better and for worse. I shall concentrate on some of the more destructive signs of this trend which, in my opinion, outweigh the positive. I am aware that my analysis is controversial and that others will place emphasis on the more hopeful aspects of this development. Many seem to be of the opinion that our society is constantly moving forward in a positive direction and they call those of us with other opinions "romantic nostalgics." One can live with this label. Time cannot be turned back, but this does not mean that the course ahead should not be adjusted.
Between 1965 and about 1995, criminality in Scandinavia more than quintupled, even after adjusting for population growth.(n3) During these thirty years, I have witnessed the face of crime change. In the beginning of the period, thefts and burglaries seemed to play a predominant role. Although theft still predominates, violence has since increased in dimension. It is also my impression that within individual crime categories, there has been a steady transition toward harder criminality. Violence is more brutal than before. It is more often unprovoked, affecting completely innocent victims, and increasingly includes the use of knives and firearms. To understand this increase in criminality, it is necessary to consider that narcotics were introduced to Scandinavia in the 1960s, beginning with cannabis and expanding to a wide spectrum of drugs such as hashish, heroin, amphetamines, and cocaine. Use of narcotics is in itself a crime, and it generates other crime.
But it is not only the increase in crime that is troublesome throughout this period; another series of alarming tendencies has also increased. From 1970 to 1988, the suicide rate for young men in Norway doubled,(n4) an alarming sign that something is wrong in the society's development. The frequency of divorce quadrupled from 1960 to 1990.(n5) When interpreting this increase, one must, in addition, consider the fact that in the second half of this period, cohabitation significantly increased at the expense of marriage. While it is undoubtedly known that cohabitation is less stable than ordinary marriage,(n6) thirty-nine percent of the children born in Norway in 1995 were born to such informal cohabitations.(n7)
I shall not tire you with the details of these dismal patterns in the social development of Scandinavia during these years. Instead, I shall simply mention a few others, such as increases in mental disorders, eating disorders among young females in particular, prescription medicine abuse, and alcohol abuse. There is more than enough over which to philosophize regarding the background of this alarming development. In parenthesis please note that what I call a "dismal pattern" in Scandinavia may be just a pale shimmer of much worse trends in the social development of the United States. But such development is, nevertheless, interesting to note in an evaluation of the Scandinavian welfare states, which in international debate are often described as idyllic and equalized model societies. The causes of these developments will nevertheless stem from partly national or regional roots." Rieber-Mohn G. The Dissolution of Core Values: Development of Crime and Society in Postwar Scandinavia with an Emphasis on Norwegian Circumstances. Brigham Young University Law Review. December 1998;1998(4):1629.
Response to comment [from an atheist]: "I think we have them beat on the smug, judgmental, self righteous rate though. USA!"
there, too? God help you. God help us (Lev.
18:26–28)--but God help you more.
Still the Best Hope: Why the World Needs American Values to Triumph by Dennis Prager
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I shouldn't give the impression that I care what you think, because I really do not."
Who cares what I think? What does God say?
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...21 years + his sentence will be renewed..."
They can keep him in for various reasons.
Here's my point--should he be breathing?
Response to comment [from other]: "[W]hy is Norway worse than the US?"
Do you ever get the feeling that no one is paying attention to you?
"Willful ignorance is bizarre."