God Predestines Billions to Hell Before they are Born?

Robert Pate View Post
[God Predestines Billions to Hell Before they are Born?]

No, that's double pre-destination and that's not what Calvinists teach.

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What is double predestination?

[Double Predestination, Calvinists] Council of Dort. First Head Article #15. "While others are passed by in the eternal decree: whom God out of his sovereign, most just, irreprehensible and unchangable good pleasure, has decreed to leave in the common misery into which they willfully plunged themselves, and not to bestow upon them saving faith and the grace of conversion; but permitting them in his just judgment to follow their own ways, at last, for the declaration of his judgment, to condemn and punish them forever."

Not created for the purpose of being destroyed.

Today one of the chief spokesmen for the Reformed view is Dr. R.C. Sproul and his following statement seems to teach double pre-destination:


"When someone mentions the term 'Calvinism,' the customary response is, 'Oh, you mean the doctrine of predestination?' This identification of Calvinism with predestination is as strange as it is real and widespread...In summary we may define 'predestination' broadly as follows: From all eternity God decided to save some members of the human race and to let the rest of the human race perish. God made a choice--he chose some individuals to be saved unto everlasting blessedness in heaven, and he chose others to pass over, allowing them to suffer the consequences of their sins, eternal punishment in hell" [emphasis added] (R.C. Sproul, What is Reformed Theology?[Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2005], 141).

That's not double predestination.  The Calvinist in general teaches that God won't even bother to woo and win some individuals to himself.  The Calvinist must be pretty lazy in his prayer life because he can't change God's mind about anything.  Examples of intercessory prayer (Moses [Ex. 32:11–13], Joshua [Josh. 7:6–9], Jehoshaphat [2 Chr. 20:5–13], Isaiah [2 Chr. 32:20], Daniel [Dan. 9:3–19], Christ [John 17:1–26], Paul [Col. 1:9–12]).  Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (pp. 319–320). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Robert Pate View Post
Of course they were given life for the sole purpose of sending them to hell.

Ad infinitum Eph 4:14   

Jerry Shugart View Post
If the Calvinists are right then God punishes mankind for doing the very things which He designed them to do...

Blaming God for your own lust fallen Adam? Jas 1:13-15

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The Blame Game by Adrian Rogers

God Predestines Billions to Hell Before they are Born?