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Response to comment [from a Christian]: "..we have the infallible Word of God..."-"god"rulz

"Original autographs are infallible...Translations are not infallible like the original autographs;"-"god"rulz

1. I have asked you for years to identify this "infallible Word of God" we all have. Now is your opportunity to "clear the fog," so to speak, being a "bible believer," and all. Name it. You say we have it. Where can we all get a copy? 55000+ spam posts, years on this site producing "after his own kind," i.e., spiritually blank bible rejectors like yourself, citing "the Word of God,"and we still are all in a funk as to just what this mystical, theoretical, "desert mirage "the infallible Word of God" you say we have is.

2. Prove that the "original autographs" are infallible.

Prove "original autographs only-ism."

And none of this "proof texting out of context.....sound exegesis, and consistent, eisegesis, as you read your preconceived, wrong ideas back into the text...sound hermeneutics....wrong assumptions...you are wrong....cult....balanced truth....argumentum ad hominem...the 'best' MSS...has textual criticism problems....'the Greek grammar'...the translators said....preconceived notions...hobby horse pet views...beg question..." and all that jazz.

"Speak plainly" to us-we are all as busy men like you, being a paramedic, and "credible" scholar, and all.

And none of this "smoke 'n mirrors," spin, crafty dismissal, bobbing and weaving until you have stars and birds circling your head, tap dancing with a top hat and white cane, do the hokey pokey and turn all about, strings, ropes, yarn until you are in a tangled mess of neurons, such as....

"I believe the Word of God properly translated and interpreted."
(http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...=68360&page=41)

...for that says nothing-a subjective assertion that a JW, Mormon........................can say. Name that "infallible Word of God" that is objective, that we have, and of which a copy is available.

And this is not a "KJVO," "which version" "debate," and not a humanist debate, i.e., "God never promised that He would preserve the word of God in (fill in the blank language).... cult...where was the word of God(fill in the blank of a year)...." and all that jive, for you already have, on record, asserted that "we have the infallible Word of God," and none of this "99% pure....almost pure"(your words), for that is sophistry, and you have already asserted "infallible."

No spam clichés allowed.

You have the floor. This should be a short thread."

He's not showing up (2 Pe 2:1).

Jn 1:1-3 is awfully inconvenient for him.

"You can build on him (1 Cor. 10:4) or stumble on him (1 Pet. 2:8). He'll be a stepping stone (Ps 18:2) or stumbling stone (1 Cor 1:23, Luke 20:18)." ~ Adrian Rogers

Try again tomorrow.

He must be at a demon convention (2 Tim. 3:8).

"The historical context of this verse does not apply to believers such as myself who affirm the essentials of the faith (trinity, Deity/resurrection of Christ, salvation by grace through faith apart from works, Bible as the Word of God, etc.)..."

Like all deceivers, you mix truth with error (Ga 5:9).

John W asked you a question. You're not going to answer him either?

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "A few of you guys/gals are finding out what I have known: droids like godrulz are not capable of having an honest discussion about the Holy Bible."

You're right. And this thread was not a waste of time--

--you two going on and on--hilarious!

By "I can't find a question" do you mean, I can't answer in a way that does not expose my being an antichrist?

2 Pe 2:1. You tend to do this.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "You know my balanced, biblical answer..."

Your answers are not based on scripture.

That is why you are being challenged (1 Thess 5:21).

"You are serpent are just being stupid and stubborn, arrogant in your ignorance [sic]."

Your "Jesus" is not the Jesus of scripture (Heb 4:15).

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

God is just (Deut 32:4; Isa 45:21). Sin must be paid for (Eze 18:20). Forgiveness comes only through the shed blood of his son—not just anybody's blood—the blood of other’s is tainted. Christ's blood is spotless and without blemish (Heb. 9:14). Without Christ’s perfect sacrifice (Rom. 5:11), there is no forgiveness for sin (Lev 17:11, Heb 9:22).

"I affirm the trinity, Deity of Christ, resurrection of Christ, virgin conception, sinlessness of Christ..."

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

Your gospel is a Gnostic gospel.

See:

Phil 2:7 J. Vernon McGee

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

Did Jesus have a sin problem of his own? Heb 4:15 Or did he die for man's sin?* Why did Jesus come? Gal. 4:4, 5 Why did Jesus die? 1 Pet. 2:24 What has Jesus done for mankind? Rom. 5:10

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

What do you mean by Lamb of God? Jn 1:29. If Jesus was sinless, without spot and without blemish, how could he have sinned? How could he take away the sins of the world? 1 Pet. 1:19

Why were animals offered for sacrifice? Heb 10:3 Why were animals required to be perfect--without spot or blemish--for sacrifice? Le 22:19; Deut 15:21; 17:1; Mal 1:8,14

"…[T]here must be added to those conditions the inner and always unforced "yes" or "no" by which the person responds to the situation..." Full text

How could he be a propitiation for our sin if he had a sin nature himself? Heb 4:15. How could he: die for man's sin (1 Pet. 1:18, 19), satisfy God's justice (Rom. 3:25, 26), reconcile God and man (2 Cor. 5:18, 19) and be our perfect righteousness (2 Cor. 5:20, 21)?

Sin entered into the world by Adam (Ge 3:6,7; Ro 5:12). All men are conceived and born in sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5). All men are shaped in sin (Ps 51:5). Scripture concludes all under sin (Ga 3:22). No man is without sin (1 Ki 8:46; Ec 7:20). Christ alone was without sin (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5).

We do not agree on these things (Eph 4:14). Like all false teachers, you mix truth with error (Ga 5:9).

[SaultoPaul quote: SD must have a bee in the bonnet, or bat in the belfry?] "There is something worse than bat in belfry, but this is a family channel. It could just be a loose screw (easier to fix)."

"If yes then theoretically one of the divine persons can sin but because they are holy they won't sin."

Right. He is God. He is able to do whatever he wants but he is committed to holiness. We trust in his character (1 Jn 1:5). If his character cannot be counted on than he is not worthy of worship, neither can he save. After repeated attempts, RandomThoughts will not state that God, the Son (Jesus) is indivisible from the godhead (Jn 1:1-3). See question 1 and question 9. Sin is not part of Jesus' character (Heb 4:15). He teaches a Gnostic gospel (2 Pe 2:1).

"All of the Gnostics in the early church propounded the first heresy that He emptied Himself of His deity..." Full text: Phil 2:7 J. Vernon McGee

"This won't must mean that they are so purely loving that they will not ever choose against the object of their love, no matter what they can or cannot do. It means that they are so set apart from sin that they will never choose to go against that choice no matter what they can or cannot do. It means their holiness is a choice and their commitment to that decision can't be broken because it won't be broken."

Yes, like holding the world together. If the Lord lets go for a moment, we are toast (Co 1:17). Like his promises to Israel. If he doesn't keep his promises to Israel than why would he keep his promises to us? Ge 12:3,7; Ga 3:16. He is trustworthy (Tit 1:2; Heb 10:23). He does not fail (Jos 23:14; 1 Ki 8:56). RandomThoughts needs to believe this (Ga 3:22). He needs to appreciate the exceeding sinfulness of sin (Ro 7:13).

Sin entered into the world by Adam (Ge 3:6,7; Ro 5:12). All men are conceived and born in sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5). All men are shaped in sin (Ps 51:5). Scripture concludes all under sin (Ga 3:22). No man is without sin (1 Ki 8:46; Ec 7:20). Christ alone was without sin (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5).

"The members of the holy Trinity are that way; we must learn to become that way. Peace, Ted."

Peace indeed.

An actual Christian (Mt 7:16). I can't wait to meet you in heaven and give you a big ol', sloppy hug one day.

"SD thinks that because I could cut off a baby's head and eat it that I have done so. If Jesus could kill a lamb, He could physically kill a human...BUT HE DID NOT."

"The guys that dogged Jesus and Paul the most were religious Pharisees like you."

Ad hominem.

Jesus and Paul agree. We are are kinsmen (of the same nature) Ro 9:3, 5, 8. Jesus is not (Jn 1:1-3). He is our creator (Jn 1:1-3). We are his creation (Ge 1:26; Jas 3:9).

We needed a savior. Jesus is that savior (2 Tim. 1:10).

McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 4:710

And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed [Gen. 28:14].

"Now God is giving to Jacob exactly what He had given first to Abraham; He had repeated it to Isaac, and now He confirms it, and He reaffirms to Jacob that He will do this."

And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of [Gen. 28:15].

"You can see that this would be comforting and helpful to a lonesome, homesick boy who really had to leave home in a hurry. He is on his way to a far country, and this first night God says to him, “I’m going to be with you, Jacob, and I’m going to bring you back to this land.”

The vision that God gave to him in the dream was of a ladder that reached up to heaven. What does that ladder mean? Well, the Lord Jesus interpreted it when He called Nathanael, as recorded in John 1:45–51. By the way, Nathanael was a wiseacre, and when he heard of Jesus, he said, “Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?” Our Lord dealt with this fellow. Nathanael asked, “How in the world do you know me like that?” And Jesus said, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” Nathanael’s response was, “Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.” He was pretty easy to convince, although he was a skeptic at the beginning. Let me give you the exact quote: “Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man” (John 1:50–51).

What is that ladder? That ladder is Christ. The angels were ascending and descending upon the Son of man. The angels ministered to Him; they were subject to His command. Nathanael will hear from the top of that ladder the voice of God, “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.” My friend, God is speaking to mankind through Christ in our day. We cannot come to the Father directly. Every now and then I hear someone say in a testimony, “When I was converted, I came directly to God. I have access to God.” We do not, my friend. We come through Christ; we have access to the Father through Christ. That is the only way we can get into God’s presence. The Lord Jesus said, “… I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is the ladder—not one that we can climb but one that we can trust.

This truth was given first to Jacob, the usurper. To Nathanael our Lord said, “You are an Israelite in whom there is no guile”—that is, no Jacob. Nathanael was a wiseacre, a humorist, but he was not a trickster like Jacob. But this man, Jacob—God is going to have to deal with him. God has given him this wonderful, glorious promise, but, oh, Jacob has so much to learn!

Isn’t that true of all of us today? No wonder God has to school us. No wonder God has to discipline us. He scourges every son whom He receives. He disciplines. He did it to Abraham and He did it to Isaac. He is going to do it to Jacob. Up to this point, everything has been going Jacob’s way. I received a letter from a couple who had lost their two-year-old boy suddenly one night. Up to that time everything had been going their way. They were church members, but they were hypocrites. So many people are just members of the church, yet they don’t know the Lord personally. The Lord has to shake us. He allows trials to come to us to discipline us. They put iron in our backbone; they put courage in our lives and enable us to stand for God."

McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 1:ix-119

"You can join the line in heaven with other nuts here who will be clued in about me..."

"They won't shut up, let up, or back up. His people confess." ~ Adrian Rogers Ac 4:20

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[S]erpentdove...Refrain from posting. This is addressed to "god"rulz..."

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I am not undermining the gospel by agreeing with you on major points..."

"'Are you talkin' to me? You talkin' to me?' Raging Bull, Pacino."

~ Michael Scott, The Office Eph 4:14

Jesus' sinlessness is essential Christian doctrine.

[Pursuing Holiness 1 P 1:15-21 In Touch] "God's children are called to live holy lives that are marked by a deep reverence for Him. Once strong motivation for righteous living is the cross and what it represents.

First, the cross is a reminder of our original position as outsiders, separated from God because of sin. Second, it points to our need for a Savior. Divine justice decrees that the penalty for sin is death (Rom. 6:23); however, the only acceptable payment is the shedding of innocent blood (Deut. 17:1). Since we are all guilty, we cannot pay for our own sins. Third, it was on the cross that Jesus took our place and endured God's wrath so we could be forgiven. fourth, the crucifixion marks the time when God's justice was satisfied and His mercy was demonstrated. Finally, it points out the way to be reconciled to the Lord and adopted into His family. Only through faith in Jesus Christ can we be saved (John 14:6).

Sadly, many have forgotten about God's requirement of holiness (v. 15). Instead of holding fast to His standards of attitude and behavior, we embrace some worldly values that seem more comfortable or self-satisfying. We pursue secular ideals such as pleasure and material wealth instead of godly ones like servanthood and obedience. These goals are encouraged by our culture, which has little fear of the Lord and regularly ignores His warnings and commandments." Pursuing Holiness 1 P 1:15-21 In Touch"...but disagreeing with some philosophical, traditional (vs truth) Catholic ideas, etc."

"...but disagreeing with some philosophical, traditional (vs truth) Catholic ideas, etc."