Homos in the News

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "[Y]ou want to silence a film which gives this man a voice, a man as unique as that! And you just want to shut off his exhibition in a museum  because there is full frontal nudity. Well, guess what, that's the way we're born."

What the world calls diversity God calls perversity (Rogers).  (Lev. 18:6–20).  Have you forgotten how to blush? (Jer 8:12).

"Homophobic"

Always the ad hominems from the left--it is normal to experience feelings of nausea in the presence of a homosexual.  Flaming behavior is not cute.  Homosexuality is forbidden (Lev. 18:22) and an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24).  The Christian cares enough about the homosexual to tell him as such.       

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "All this fuss over a little nudity in art that happened to express the views of homosexuals - come on people!"

What is your idea of a perfect society--Sodom and Gomorrah?  Christians will hold the line until Christ returns.   

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "Ahh! Homos! Run away from the Homos!"

They are very in-your-face, demanding of rights to be vile (1 Cor 6:9). 

Response to comment [from other]:  "...allow yourself to hate them simply because they do not hold the same religious beliefs as you do."

Hating the homosexual would be leaving them to die in their sin--saying nothing (1 Cor 6:9).  The Christian cares about the homosexual, so he speaks up (Pr 31:9).

"In the real world where everyone is entitled to proceed with their life freely..."

The real world is filled with sin.  Sin should not be celebrated.  It should be rebuked. 

"...within the confines of the legitimate law, homosexuality is legal and part of life."

The law is not legitimate if it condones homosexuality.  Laws come from God not man.

"Most of the telling them as much includes name calling, advocating the death penalty for them and completely disregarding them as our fellow human beings with emotions and feelings that are every bit as real as your own..."

Don't be ruled by your feelings (2 Cor 10:5).  Repent.  Homosexuals should be stigmatized for their unclean behavior (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).  When you tell them what they do is ok, you harm them and you hate them.

"I have never ever run across a homosexual that gets "in my face" for the purpose of being vile."

I have.  In the workplace this should be reported as sexual harassment.

"Just admit it: you don't like the fact that they exist and are legally allowed to walk and speak freely just the same as you and I."

I don't like the way a man walks like a woman--who would?  A man is to act like a man and a woman is to act like a woman as God made them (Mt 19:4).  Stop perverting God's created order.   

[Sodom and Gomorrah?]  "There is no such thing as a perfect society."

Sure there is--heaven.  If you'd like to get there stop sinning (1 Cor 6:9).  Heaven begins here and now.  Act like a citizen of the place where you'd like to go.

"However, a free society that includes freedom for all law abiding citizens is as close to perfect as we can get...as that line doesn't intrude in my life and the life of other law-abiding citizens."

Practicing homosexuality is not being a law-abiding citizen.  It is being a pervert.  You will have a great intrusion on judgment day if you do not repent. 

Response to comment [from other]:  "In what way were you being sexually harassed?"

I was not.  I spoke with a woman who was upset about a homosexual engaging her in discussions of his activities in the workplace.  Apparently, she has made it clear to him that she did not want to discuss his sex life.  She threatened to report him for sexual harassment.  I would not have been able to help her in the case because I did not hear the discussions myself.  But the point is-- whether it is fornication or homosexuality, these discussions in the workplace should be reported.     

"gender stereotype"

You must have gone to college.

"SerpentDove, there are far more Biblical laws that proscribe heterosexual behavior than there are those that proscribe homosexual behavior. If you wish to apply the latter, then in order to be consistent you must apply the former as well."

That's true--whether fornication or homosexuality, sin is sin.  Forgiveness is available in Christ.   

Response to comment [from a pagan]:  "How relevant are someone's mannerisms compared to their intelligence, their heart, and their humanity?...I think some flaming behaviors are hilarious...Part of the freedom idealized in the USA is the freedom from rigid gender roles."

It's not hilarious.  In their rebellion against God, they attempt to pervert and distort God's order (Ga 6:7).  Being a slave to sin is not freedom (Jn 8:34).

"I think some flaming behaviors are hilarious (i.e. on "Family Guy)."

I recall an episode where even the horse became nauseous in the Brokeback Mountain scene.  Again, nausea would be a normal reaction to the wicked behavior of homosexuality.  When this is not a person's reaction, something is very wrong (1 Cor 6:9). 

"I believe that creating meaning in life by referring to a mythical afterlife has been done to death and it's boring! It has no relevance. At least the Green global warming believers makes efforts toward a larger good we could actually see."

Read Romans 1.  You have exchanged the truth for a lie.  

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "...Do you think Biblical laws governing heterosexual behavior should be enforced..."

Of course homosexuality should be re-criminalized.  Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Ps 111:10).  The punishment for homosexuality is given in Lev 20:13.  Do you think you are nicer than God? 

See:

Nicer Than God by Bob Enyart

Response to comment [from other]:  "Feel free to rebuke yourself and others who believe as you do."

Jesus is a rock of offense to some (1 Pe 2:8):  "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder (Mt 21:44)."

"[A]n eternal dirt nap will be quite welcoming!"

Our souls live forever (Eccl 3:11) with Jesus or without Jesus--whichever you choose.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "So you are prepared to bring back the death penalty for adultery?  Use tax dollars to begin a massive building of mikvas? Both would be a requirement of wholesale enforcement of Levitical law.  You might also wish to re-visit Jewish law sometime. You have studied the Talmud, right? In order to bring a charge of homosexuality, two non-relatives had to witness the act in question and testify to it.  Also last time I check God's mercy and God's justice were both satisfied at the Cross, but I take it you have a different interpretation of that event."

Do you know what the gospel of grace is? 

See:  

The Plot by Bob Enyart

To answer your question:  Yes, I am prepared to live in a world ruled and reigned by Christ. 

Response to comment [from other]:  "And being that you are free to live by your interpretation of how the world should be ruled by Christ, your personal life is not affected in the least..."

Sin affects everyone--the individual (De 29:20; Jer 23:34) and the nation (Ge 15:14; Jer 51:20,21).  When a society accepts depravity as the norm, it is asking for judgment (Mal 2:2).   

"[E]xpecting nonbelievers or anyone else who do not obey and live by your chosen religion to agree with you or cater to your beliefs is not realistic."

Homosexuals and fornicators despise God's law (Ne 9:26).  They are in rebellion against God.

"Face it, we are not talking about murderers, rapists or thieves who actually and intentionally victimize other people."

Of course the homosexual victimizes others.  Homosexuality is not a victimless crime. 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "Once again, that was not the question posed. You advocate the enforcement of Levitcal law. A world ruled by the Levitical law code would be a bit different than a Christocentric one (btw Christ didn't mention homosexuals). So once again the question is, would you be prepared to live in a world governed by Old Testament Law?"

Once again, you must understand the plot of the Bible. Can we eat shellfish today? Yes. Must men be circumcised today? No. Why? Read  The Plot by Bob Enyart.

Being a Catholic, I gather you believe a work-based gospel. This is not the gospel of the historical, biblical Christianity.

To answer your question, Yes; I am prepared to love live in a world ruled and reigned by Christ who fulfilled the law--godly principles lead to live; ungodly principles lead to death. God always promotes life. I do not endorse human secularism.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "Christ didn't mention homosexuals."

"The Bible says nothing specifically about the homosexual condition (despite the rather misleading rsv translation of 1 Cor. 6:9), but its condemnations of homosexual conduct are explicit. The scope of these strictures must, however, be carefully determined. Too often they have been used as tools of a homophobic polemic which has claimed too much.
The exegesis of the Sodom and Gibeah stories (Gn. 19:1–25; Jdg. 19:13–20:48) is a good case in point. We must resist D. S. Bailey’s widely-quoted claim that the sin God punished on these occasions was a breach of hospitality etiquette without sexual overtones (it fails to explain adequately both the double usage of the word ‘know’ (yāḏa‘) and the reason behind the substitutionary offer of Lot’s daughters and the Levite’s concubine); but neither account amounts to a wholesale condemnation of all homosexual acts. On both occasions the sin condemned was attempted homosexual rape, not a caring homosexual relationship between consenting partners.
The force of the other OT references to homosexuality is similarly limited by the context in which they are set. Historically, homosexual behaviour was linked with idolatrous cult prostitution (1 Ki. 14:24; 15:12; 22:46). The stern warnings of the levitical law (Lv. 18:22; 20:13) are primarily aimed at idolatry too; the word ‘abomination’ (tô‘ēḇâ), for example, which features in both these references, is a religious term often used for idolatrous practices. Viewed strictly within their context, then, these OT condemnations apply to homosexual activity conducted in the course of idolatry, but not necessarily more widely than that.
In Rom. 1 Paul condemns homosexual acts, lesbian as well as male, in the same breath as idolatry (vv. 23–27), but his theological canvas is broader than that of Lv. Instead of treating homosexual behaviour as an expression of idolatrous worship, he traces both to the bad ‘exchange’ fallen man has made in departing from his Creator’s intention (vv. 25f.). Seen from this angle, every homosexual act is unnatural (para physin, v. 26), not because it cuts across the individual’s natural sexual orientation (which, of course, it may not) or infringes OT law (contra McNeill), but because it flies in the face of God’s creation scheme for human sexual expression.
Paul makes two more references to homosexual practice in other Epistles. Both occur in lists of banned activities and strike the same condemnatory note. In 1 Cor. 6:9f. practising homosexuals are included among the unrighteous who will not inherit the kingdom of God (but with the redemptive note added, ‘such were some of you’); and in 1 Tim. 1:9f. they feature in a list of ‘the lawless and disobedient’. The latter is especially important because the whole list represents an updated version of the *Ten Commandments. Paul parallels the 7th commandment (on adultery) with a reference to ‘immoral persons’ (pornoi) and ‘sodomites’ (arsenokoitai), words which cover all sexual intercourse outside marriage, whether heterosexual or homosexual. If the Decalogue is permanently valid, the significance of this application is heightened still further.
It has been suggested that the meaning of arsenikoitēs in 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10 may be restricted to that of ‘male prostitute’ (cf. Vulg. masculi concubitores). Linguistic evidence to support this view is lacking, however, though the word itself is certainly rare in literature of the NT period. It seems beyond reasonable doubt that Paul intended to condemn homosexual conduct (but not homosexual people) in the most general and theologically broad terms he knew. His three scattered references fit together in an impressive way as an expression of God’s will as he saw it. As Creator, Law-Giver and King, the Lord’s condemnation of such behaviour was absolutely plain.
Bibliography. H. Thielicke, The Ethics of Sex, E.T. 1964; D. H. Field, The Homosexual Way—A Christian Option?, 1976; J. J. McNeill, The Church and the Homosexual, 1977.      
rsv Revised Standard Version : NT, 1946; OT, 1952; Common Bible, 1973
OT Old Testament
vv verses
f and the following (verse, etc.)
v verse
cf confer (Lat.), compare
Vulg Vulgate
NT New Testament
E.T English translation
Wood, D. R. W. (1996, c1982, c1962). New Bible Dictionary (478). InterVarsity Press.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "[Y]ou still fail to answer the question, and keep parroting the same answer..."

The Christian is not under the law (1 Co 10:23).  The law was made for the lawless (1 Ti 1:9).  Government has the obligation to enforce God's law (e.g. punishment for murder, rape, kidnapping, fornication, homosexuality, etc.).

"The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:4), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, every sin we commit should result in the death penalty because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8)..."  Full text:  What Does the Bible Say About the Death Penalty/Capital Punishment?

Paul Used the Law:

"Paul teaches that the unrepentant world is still under the law, and that the law is designed to show guilt and to bring people to Christ:

•But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless... and for sinners... for murderers... for sodomites, for kidnappers, for perjurers... 1 Tim. 1:8-10

All the world is under the law:

•Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God... Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. Rom. 3:19, 31
•Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal. 3:24-25

Christians who are untutored in the evangelistic role of the law oppose the foundation of the criminal code upon God's law..."  full text:  God and the Death Penalty by Bob Enyart http://kgov.com/writings/god-and-death-penalty

Homosexuality:  Sinfulness of, in Sodom and Gomorrah.

"Gen 18:20–21 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”
Gen 19:1–11 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.” And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.” 3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. 4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.” 6 So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7 and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8 See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.” 9 And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door. 10 But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. 11 And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door.
Cf. Lam 4:6
Forbidden by God.
Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
Rom 1:26–27 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1 Tim 1:9–10 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine..."
Cf. Deut 22:5; Gal 5:19–21; Eph 5:3–5; Jude 1:7
MacArthur, J. (1999). The MacArthur topical Bible : New King James Version (613). Nashville, Tenn.: Word Pub.

Homos in the News