Is belief in the deity of Christ an essential belief if one claims to be Christian?

 

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...Every truth about the Father is also exemplified in Jesus."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…”
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Was there ever a time when Jesus did not exist? Jn 1:1
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Could or would God have sinned before the Fall?

"...For God is not merely mending, not simply restoring a status quo. Redeemed humanity is to be something more glorious than unfallen humanity would have been, more glorious than any unfallen race now is (if at this moment the night sky conceals any such). The greater the sin, the greater the mercy: the deeper the death the brighter the rebirth. And this super-added glory will, with true vicariousness, exalt all creatures and those who have never fallen will thus bless Adam's fall.

I write so far on the assumption that the Incarnation was occasioned only by the Fall (pg. 411, Lewis)."

 

"...[C]ounterfeit Christ (2 Cor. 11:4)....object of faith must be genuine vs fake (like New Age guru jesus/christ)."

 

...Like your false Christ (Mt 24:4-5, 24).

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…”
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Jesus was manifested to put away sin--not to sin himself (Heb 9:26).

 

"The Bible does clearly teach that Jesus is YHWH, the one true God..."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…”
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Godrulz

You can sin because you are a sinner. God would not sin because he is not a sinner (Heb 4:15).

You thought he was just like you?
Ps 50:21, NASB

These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.

Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver [
Ps. 50:21–22].


"My friend, God is not speaking only to Israel, He is speaking to us in our day also. He unmasks hypocrisy. Because God is silent does not mean that He approves. There is a day of reckoning coming. God says, “I will reprove thee, and set them [your sins] in order before thine eyes.” "McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 2, p. 760). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

 

"Demons know He is God..."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…”
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Godrulz

All sin comes from a wicked heart (
Jer 17:9). Confession admits the heart issue (Ps 51). Agree with God about your (not his [Heb 4:15, Jn 1:1] ) sin.

"Human death, according to the Christians, is a result of human sin; Man, as originally created, was immune from it...

...The spirit was once not a garrison, maintaining its post with difficulty in a hostile Nature, but was fully 'at home' with its organism, like a king in his own country or a rider on his own horse--or better still, as the human part of a Centaur was 'at home' with the equine part. Where spirit's power over the organism was complete and unresisted, death would never occur (Lewis, pg 414)."

Is human death the result of human sin? Who did that offend and why?

Why would sin offend God if he could or would sin himself? What's the quarrel about if God is a sinner like man? Why did Jesus have to die on a cross? Why undo man's evil act of rebellion?

 

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...he obeyed perfectly."

 

Submission does not mean inferiority (Heb 2:9).  Jesus is committed to righteousness (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15, Isa 45:21–24).

We die because we are sinners in Adam (Eze 18:20, Ro 5:15, 3:10–18). Jesus laid down his life for us (1 Jn 3:16).

"The Enemy persuades man to rebel against God: Man, by doing so, loses power to control that other rebellion which the Enemy now raises in Man's organism (both psychical and physical) against Mans' spirit: just as that organism, in its turn, loses power to maintain itself against the rebellion of the inorganic. In that way, Satan produced human Death. But when God created Man he gave him such a constitution that, if the highest part of it rebelled against Himself, it would be bound to lose control over the lower parts: i.e. in the long run to suffer Death. This provision may be regarded equally as a punitive sentence ('In the day ye eat of that fruit ye shall die'), as a mercy, and as a safety device. It is punishment because Death--that Death of which Martha says to Christ 'But ...Sir...it'll smell'--is the horror and ignominy. ('I am not so much afraid of death as ashamed of it,' said Sir Thomas Browne). It is mercy because by willing and humble surrender to it Man undoes his act of rebellion and makes even this depraved and monstrous mode of Death and instance of that higher and mystical Death which is eternally good and a necessary ingredient in the highest life. 'The readiness is all'--not, of course, the merely heroic readiness but that of humility and self-renunciation. Or enemy, so welcomed, becomes our servant: bodily Death, the monster, becomes blessed spiritual Death to self, if the spirit so wills--rather if it allows the Spirit of the willingly dying God so to will in it. It is a safety-device because, once Man has fallen, natural immortality would be the one utterly hopeless destiny for him. Aided to the surrender that he must make by no external necessity of Death, free (if you call it freedom) to rivet faster and faster about himself through unending centuries the chains of his own pride and lust and of the nightmare civilizations which these build up in ever-increasing power and complication, he would progress from being merely a fallen man to being a fiend, possibly beyond all modes of redemption. This danger was averted (pg. 417, Lewis)."

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "We agree on the Deity of Christ, but disagree on modalism vs trinitarianism..."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…”
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If you can fix your sin, then you don't need Jesus (
Lk 19:10). You can't fix your sin, so you need Jesus (Mt 9:11-13, Mk 2:7). Jesus didn't need Jesus (Heb 4:15) because he was/is Jesus (Jn 1:1, Jn 8:58, Ac 17:24-25).

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Godrulz

 

"For the serious student and God's Truth..."

 

Cerealisly?

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…”
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The angels sins holy, holy, holy around the throne. What do you plan to add to the chorus? Sinner, sinner, sinner?
Re 4:8

"What right does a man have to call himself a Christian and a child of the Father if he does not bear the nature of the Father? God's nature is holiness and we are partakers of the divine nature." ~ Adrian Rogers
Lev 11:45

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The Highway to Holiness by Adrian Rogers Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

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Understand the spirit of antichrist (
1 Jn 4:2-6).

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The Jesus test, the gospel test, and the fruit test

[The Kingdom Invasion: Only God Can by Jeff Schwarzentraub paraphrased notes ] "...Only God is God and he's coming to us in flesh (
Jn 1:1). Why didn't Jesus sin? Because his DNA didn't have sin. His flesh was conceived by the Holy Spirit. There's nothing wrong with flesh. The only thing that's wrong with my flesh is that it's sin-stained. Jesus was flesh like us but he didn't have sinful flesh like us (Heb 4:15). He's not kind of like a God or later will later become a God. He has always been and will always be--God. The only reason he did not sin is because he cannot have sin in his life is if he's conceived by the Holy Spirit....God made him who had no sin (that's Jesus) to become sin for us so that in him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Co 5:21). God took all of our sin and put it on his Son who never sinned and punished His Son as a sinner in our place so that we could be set free from our sin. If Jesus Christ hasn't been born of a virgin--it's doesn't matter. If Jesus was not born of a virgin than, he's not sinless. If he's not sinless than He's not God. If he's not God, the Bible is not true. If the Bible is not true, then Jesus did not rise from the dead; you are still dead in your trespasses and sins--there is no hope in the world and me as a preacher am to be pitied among all men because that's all I proclaim..." The Kingdom Invasion Only God Can paraphrased notes by Jeff Schwarzentraub

 

Is belief in the deity of Christ an essential belief if one claims to be Christian?