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Even the Greeks understood that there must be a creator-God. They called it logos. Logos is a person (Jn 1:1-3).

Response to comment [from other]: "No they didn't and no it isn't. You might be thinking of Cronus, father of the Gods."

The Greeks knew that all of creation must have come from something not nothing. We have an internal testimony (Ro 2:15), an external testimony (Ps 19:1) and the scriptures. Listen to the apostle John and worship the [I]real[/I] Jesus this Christmas (Jn 1:1-3).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I believe that the Word in John 1:1 is the Son of God."

Of course. The apostle John made that clear (Jn 1:1-3). Some of those in cults and 'isms posting here pour a different meaning into "Son of God".

Like this guy. Chandler, do you believe that Jesus is the preeminent Son of God, the first born over all creation, the second member of the trinity, the one who "spoke and the universe leap into existence (Hanegraaff)?"

Do you reject the false claim of Jehovah's Witnesses that Jesus is the archangel Michael?

Do you reject the false teaching of the trinity by Jehovah's Witnesses [Arianism (Dynamic Monarchianism)]?

Was Jesus a created being adopted by God? Is the Holy Spirit simply the power of God or a force?

Do you reject the doctrine of hell as Jehovah's Witnesses do?

See:

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "I don't believe that Jesus is the second member of the trinity. I believe that the creation came through Jesus but from the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6). Jesus is not a co-creator. And Jesus is not co-eternal with God."

Belief in a false Jesus will not save you. If Jesus were just a man, he would have died for his own sin. No man has the power over death. Jesus proved that he does. He is the creator-God (John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14).

"Sadly, the consequences for our sin are much worse than life in a cursed universe. In addition to living our lives in a sin-filled creation, we must all die physically and then face a punishment much more horrible than anything we have ever known: the second death. The Apostle John tells of a lake of fire called the “second death” that awaits all those whose names are not written in the book of life (Revelation 20:14–15). This second death is the final punishment for our sin.

Even though we rebelled against Him and brought punishment on ourselves, God loves His children and does not want them to spend eternity in hell. Our merciful Creator has provided a way to be reconciled to Him and to escape the terrible eternal punishment for our sin. This way of escape is through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ, who is God, came to earth as a man, lived a sinless life, and then died to pay the penalty for sin. The Apostle Paul tells us that “as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life” (Romans 5:18).

God is righteous and justly sentenced man to death, so we received the punishment we deserve. However, God exercised grace because of His love for us and took that punishment upon Himself as the payment for our sin.

Take heart! Christ did not remain in the grave. He showed that He has power over death by rising on the third day after He was buried. Because Christ clearly demonstrated His power over death, those who believe in Him can know that they too will live, and death will have no sting. In fact, the Bible says,

So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory. O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?” (1 Corinthians 15:54–55).
In Christ, those who have received the free gift of eternal life can look forward to spending eternity with Him in a perfect, pain-free place (Revelation 21:4). As the Apostle Paul wrote,

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast (Ephesians 2:8–9).
Some may suggest that if God really loved us, He would put us in a perfect place where nothing painful can touch us. However, He already did that once, and Adam rebelled. Given the same opportunity, each one of us would do the same thing. God demonstrated His love by dying for the world and rising again. All who receive the free gift of eternal life will spend eternity with Him.

Compared to eternity, the time we spend here in a cursed world is insignificant. God will complete His demonstration of love by placing those who receive His salvation in a perfect place forever." Full text: Is there Any Hope? http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/why-does-creation-include-suffering

Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

The Holy Spirit has all of the attributes of personhood. You have all of the attributes of personhood. God can be more than you but he cannot be less. The Holy Spirit is not an "it". He is a person, the third member of the trinity.

Torrey, R. (1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.

"I reject Dynamic Monarchianism (how many here know what that means?) My theology is more or less Arian."

A review for the benefit of the reader:

False Teaching about the Trinity

"...Try to deny the doctrine of the Trinity and you'll loose your salvation, try to understand it and you'll loose your mind." ~ Stanley Grenz

"The doctrine of the Trinity is truth for the heart. The fact that it cannot be satisfactorily explained instead of being against it, is actually in its favor; such a truth had to be revealed, no one could have imagined it." ~ A.W. Tozer

Tri-Theism:
Modern Example: Mormonism - Jesus was a created being and the Spirit-brother of Lucifer, who became a god. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods and we too can become gods.

Modalism (also Sabellianism, Modalistic Monarchianism):
Modern Example: United Pentecostal Church - "Jesus only", there is only one God who manifests himself in three modes. God is essentially playing different roles and the assumption is that in the Old Testament he revealed himself as the Father, in the New Testament God reveals himself as Jesus, and in the church-age as Holy Spirit.

Arianism (Dynamic Monarchianism):
Modern Example: Jehovah's Witnesses - Denying the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Jesus was a created being adopted by God, and the Holy Spirit is simply the power of God or a force..." full text: http://www.thecityaustin.com/sermon/the-trinity

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: [2 Pe 2:2-4]

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:734-735). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a Jew]: "" Jesus is 100% God and 100% man!" If I made such a statement about two other mutually exclusive things (that is, categories that have no overlap), I would be considered out of my mind: "Bessie is 100% cow and 100% mushroom!" For some reason, this kind of statement is supposed to make sense when it refers to God. Or if it doesn't make sense, it is a holy mystery- and that is ok."

Do you understand everything about everything? It is possible that there are things we do not fully comprehend. The trinity is a difficult concept. But it is true (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5). Jews and Christians believe in the same God (Deut 6:4).

"It is vitally important, if we would ever really fully understand anything in the Bible, or in the world in general, that we first understand the teaching of Genesis 1:1. Consider, therefore, each word in this all-important declaration.

“God”

This first occurrence of the divine name is the Hebrew Elohim, the name of God which stresses His majesty and omnipotence. This is the name used throughout the first chapter of Genesis. The im ending is the Hebrew plural ending, so that Elohim can actually mean “gods,” and is so translated in various passages referring to the gods of the heathen (e.g., Psalm 96:5).

However, it is clearly used here in the singular, as the mighty name of God the Creator, the first of over two thousand times where it is used in this way. Thus Elohim is a plural name with a singular meaning, a “uni-plural” noun, thereby suggesting the uni-plurality of the Godhead. God is one, yet more than one." Morris, H. M. (1976). The Genesis record : A scientific and devotional commentary on the book of beginnings. Includes indexes. (39). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "Jesus would not have died for his own sin because he had no sin."

Because Jesus is God and man, he became the propitiation for our sin (Gen. 3:15 Heb. 2:14. Psa. 22:1 [Matt. 27:46.] Psa. 22:13, 16, 18 Luke 23:34; John 19:23, 24. Psa. 34:20 John 19:36. Psa. 69:21 [John 19:28–30; Matt. 27:34; Mark 15:23.] Psa. 69:26 Matt. 27:34; Mark 15:23; John 19:29. Psa. 109:25 Matt. 27:39. Isa. 52:14; Isa. 53:7–12; Dan. 9:26; Zech. 12:9, 10; Zech. 13:6, 7; Matt. 12:40 Luke 11:30. Matt. 16:4, 21 Luke 9:22. Matt. 17:12, 13, 22, 23; Matt. 20:17–19 Mark 10:32, 34. Matt. 21:33–39; Matt. 26:2, 18; Mark 8:31; Mark 9:31; Mark 10:33, 34 Matt. 20:18, 19; Luke 18:31–33. Luke 2:34, 35; Luke 9:22, 44; Luke 12:50; Luke 17:25; Luke 22:15, 37; John 10:11, 15, 17, 18; John 12:7, 32, 33 Matt. 26:12; Mark 14:9. John 12:34; John 13:18, 19, 21 Matt. 26:21; Mark 14:18; Luke 22:21. John 14:19; John 15:13; John 16:20; John 18:11; Acts 26:22, 23; 1 Cor. 1:17, 18, 23, 24; 1 Cor. 2:2; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; 2 Cor. 4:10, 11; 1 Thess. 4:14; Rev. 5:12; Rev. 13:8).

"[W]ords can have a double meaning, applying both to Jesus and also to someone else."

Christ is not to be diminished to the status of an angel. God and Christ created the angels (Ne 9:6; Col 1:16). The angels worship God and Christ (Ne 9:6; Php 2:9-11; Heb 1:6). Christ is not one in the same as an angel. He is over and above the angels and they are subject to him (Eph 1:21; Col 1:16; 2:10; 1Pe 3:22).

"[The OT] doesn't imply that Jesus is Jehovah."

That is false. Jesus is the "Alpha and Omega" and "the First and the Last" (Re 1:7,8; 22:12,13,20; Isa 48:12,13). The Jesus that Jehovah's Witnesses believe in never existed. He is not the Jesus of scripture. Only the Jesus of the Bible saves.

[Phil 2:6]

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God [Phil. 2:6].

"...When Christ was at the right hand of God the Father, He wasn’t hanging on to His position. There was no danger of His losing His place in the Godhead because of any lack on His part or because of the ability and ambition of a contender. He hadn’t gone to school to learn to become God; He had not advanced from another position. He was God. It wasn’t as if the Lord Jesus had to say to God the Father, “Now You be sure to keep My position for Me while I’m gone for thirty-three years. Keep a sharp eye out for Gabriel—I think he would like to have My place.” I am not being irreverent; I am trying to show you that this was not something that He had to hold on to. The position belonged to Him. He was God.

Nor did He leave heaven reluctantly. At no time did He say, “Oh, I just hate to leave heaven. I don’t want to go down on that trip.” He came joyfully. “… for the joy that was set before him …” (Heb. 12:2, italics mine) He endured the cross. He said, “… Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God” (Heb. 10:7). He came to this earth with joy. He was not releasing something that He wanted to hold on to when He came to this earth..."

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:301-302). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"] "...man made lie who proposes a triune God."

The doctrine of the trinity is biblical (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).

Jesus is the second person of the trinity, the one who spoke and the universe leapt into existence (John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14).

You disrespect the true Jesus of the Bible (Rom. 1:25). Why do you call yourself a Christian when you do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible?

[2 Pe 2:4]

Understand what awaits false teachers (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses):

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

The New King James Version. 1982 (2 Pe 2:4-11). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from other]: "How much better it might be to actually consider the teachings of Jesus from both canonical and non-canonical sources..."

That is what leads to your perversion of our Christian faith.

As a reminder the Gnostic gospels are no gospel at all. "The Gnostic Christians, if they can truly be described as Christians, held a distinctly different view of the Bible, of Jesus Christ, of salvation, and of virtually every other major Christian doctrine. However, they did not have any writings by the Apostles to give legitimacy to their beliefs..." full text: What are the Gnostic gospels? http://www.gotquestions.org/Gnostic-gospels.html

[Arianism]

"Arianism misunderstands references to Jesus’ being tired (John 4:6) and not knowing the date of His return (Matthew 24:36). Yes, it is difficult to understand how God could be tired and/or not know something, but relegating Jesus to a created being is not the answer. Jesus was fully God, but He was also fully human. Jesus did not become a human being until the incarnation. Therefore, Jesus’ limitations as a human being have no impact on His divine nature or eternality.

A second major misinterpretation in Arianism is the meaning of “firstborn” (Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15-20). Arians understand “firstborn” in these verses to mean that Jesus was “born” or “created” as the first act of creation. This is not the case. Jesus Himself proclaimed His self-existence and eternality (John 8:58; 10:30). John 1:1-2 tells us that Jesus was “in the beginning with God.” In Bible times, the firstborn son of a family was held in great honor (Genesis 49:3; Exodus 11:5; 34:19; Numbers 3:40; Psalm 89:27; Jeremiah 31:9). It is in this sense that Jesus is God’s firstborn. Jesus is the preeminent member of God’s family. Jesus is the anointed one, the “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6)..." full text: What is Arianism? http://www.gotquestions.org/arianism.html

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [The trinity is a difficult concept.] "True, even Jesus couldn't comprehend it."

The trinity is a difficult concept for man not for God ( Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [The trinity is a difficult concept for man not for God] "This is a blatant lie, serpentdove."

God does not understand his own nature? The trinity is taught in scripture (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).

Divine titles are applied to all three persons of the trinity (Ex 20:2; Joh 20:28; Ac 5:3,4).

Each person is described as:

Eternal. Ro 16:26; Re 22:13; Heb 9:14.

Holy. Re 4:8; 15:4; Ac 3:14; 1Jo 2:20.

True. Joh 7:28; Re 3:7.

Omnipresent. Jer 23:24; Eph 1:23; Ps 139:7.

Omnipotent. Ge 17:1; Re 1:8; Ro 15:19; Jer 32:17; Heb 1:3; Lu 1:35.

Omniscient. Ac 15:18; Joh 21:17; 1Co 2:10,11.

Creator. Ge 1:1; Col 1:16; Job 33:4; Ps 148:5; Joh 1:3; Job 26:13.

Sanctifier. Jude 1:1; Heb 2:11; 1Pe 1:2.

Author of all spiritual operations. Heb 13:21; Col 1:29; 1Co 12:11.

Source of eternal life. Ro 6:23; Joh 10:28; Ga 6:8.

Teacher. Isa 54:13; Lu 21:15; Joh 14:26; Isa 48:17; Ga 1:12; 1Jo 2:20.

Raising Christ from the dead. 1Co 6:14; Joh 2:19; 1Pe 3:18.

Inspiring the prophets, &c. Heb 1:1; 2Co 13:3; Mr 13:11.

Supplying ministers to the Church. Jer 3:15; Eph 4:11; Ac 20:28; Jer 26:5; Mt 10:5; Ac 13:2.

Salvation is the work of (2Th 2:13,14; Tit 3:4-6; 1Pe 1:2).

Baptism is administered in name of (Mt 28:19)

Benediction given in the name of (2Co 13:14).

[Jn 17:3]

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent [John 17:3].

...Life eternal is to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Do you have a desire to know the true God and Jesus Christ? Then you are not shut out. You must be one of the elect. He gives eternal life to those who have heard the call and have responded down in their hearts. They have come to Christ of their own free will.

“That they might know thee.” It is not the amount of knowledge you have, but the kind of knowledge that is important. It is whom you know. Do you know Jesus Christ? In the same way, it is not the amount of faith you have but the kind of faith that is important. There is a song called “Only Believe.” Only believe what? Only believe in the only One, the Lord Jesus Christ. I quote Spurgeon again: “It is not thy joy in Christ that saves thee. It is Christ. It is not thy faith in Christ, though that be the instrument. It is Christ’s blood and merit.” It is Christ who saves. One can believe in the wrong thing. It is the object of faith which is so important. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ.” Now faith comes by hearing, hearing the Word of God. What does the Word of God say? The gospel is that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. Those are the facts. Our knowledge of the facts and our response to that knowledge is faith. Faith is trusting Christ as our own Savior.

Life eternal is to know God and to know Jesus Christ. Jesus is His name as Savior, and Christ is His title—the Messiah, the King of Israel. To know Him means to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ. When we move on in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, we come to the place of assurance. Anyone without the assurance of salvation is either unsaved or is just a babe in Christ. They need to move on to the place where they know that they are saved. Life eternal is to know the only genuine God and to know Jesus Christ. This is the reason that the study of the Word of God is so important. Many people stay on the fringe of things and are never sure they are saved."

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:478-479). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a Jew]: Like I said: "Or if it doesn't make sense, it is a holy mystery- and that is ok."

"You also said regarding Jesus is 100 % God and 100% man, "Bessie is 100% cow and 100% mushroom!" You are irreverent toward the only one who can save you (Mark 3:28–30).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Jesus says that the Father is the only true God"

That's true. And it is also true that Jesus is God. If you miss Jesus in all of scripture, reread it. Jesus:

1. As Jehovah. Isa 40:3; Mt 3:3.

2. As Jehovah of glory. Ps 24:7,10; 1Co 2:8; Jas 2:1.

3. As Jehovah, our RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jer 23:5,6; 1Co 1:30.

4. As Jehovah, above all. Ps 97:9; Joh 3:31.

5. As Jehovah, the First and the Last. Isa 44:6; Re 1:17; Isa 48:12-16; Re 22:13.

6. As Jehovah’s Fellow and Equal. Zec 13:7; Php 2:6.

7. As Jehovah of Hosts. Isa 6:1-3; Joh 12:41; Isa 8:13,14; 1Pe 2:8.

8. As Jehovah, the Shepherd. Isa 40:11; Heb 13:20.

9. As Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created. Pr 16:4; Col 1:16.

10. As Jehovah, the Messenger of the covenant. Mal 3:1; Mr 1:2; Lu 2:27.

11. Invoked as Jehovah. Joe 2:32; Ac 2:21; 1Co 1:2.

12. As the Eternal God and Creator. Ps 102:24-27; Heb 1:8,10-12.

13. As the mighty God. Isa 9:6.

14. As the Great God and Saviour. Ho 1:7; Tit 2:13.

15. As God over all. Ps 45:6,7; Ro 9:5.

16. As the true God. Jer 10:10; 1Jo 5:20.

17. As God the Word. Joh 1:1.

18. As God, the judge. Ec 12:14; 1Co 4:5; 2Co 5:10; 2Ti 4:1.

19. As Emmanuel. Isa 7:14; Mt 1:23.

20. As King of kings and Lord of lords. Da 10:17; Re 1:5; 17:14.

21. As the Holy One. 1Sa 2:2; Ac 3:14.

22. As the Lord from heaven. 1Co 15:47.

23. As Lord of the Sabbath. Ge 2:3; Mt 12:8.

24. As Lord of all. Ac 10:36; Ro 10:11-13.

25. As Son of God. Mt 26:63-67.

26. As the Only-begotten Son of the Father. Joh 1:14,18; 3:16,18; 1Jo 4:9.

27. His blood is called the blood of God. Ac 20:28.

28. As one with the Father. Joh 10:30,38; 12:45; 14:7-10; 17:10.

29. As sending the Spirit, equally with the Father. Joh 14:16; 15:26.

30. As entitled to equal honour with the Father. Joh 5:23.

31. As Owner of all things, equally with the Father. Joh 16:15.

32. As unrestricted by the law of the sabbath, equally with the Father. Joh 5:17.

33. As the Source of grace, equally with the Father. 1Th 3:11; 2Th 2:16,17.

34. As unsearchable, equally with the Father. Pr 30:4; Mt 11:27.

35. As Creator of all things. Isa 40:28; Joh 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:2.

36. As Supporter and Preserver of all things. Ne 9:6; Col 1:17; Heb 1:3.

37. As possessed of the fulness of the God head. Col 2:9; Heb 1:3.

38. As raising the dead. Joh 5:21; 6:40,54.

39. As raising himself from the dead. Joh 2:19,21; 10:18.

40. As Eternal. Isa 9:6; Mic 5:2; Joh 1:1; Col 1:17; Heb 1:8-10; Re 1:8.

41. As Omnipresent. Mt 18:20; 28:20; Joh 3:13.

42. As Omnipotent. Ps 45:3; Php 3:21; Re 1:8.

43. As Omniscient. Joh 16:30; 21:17.

44. As discerning the thoughts of the heart. 1Ki 8:39; Lu 5:22; Eze 11:5; Joh 2:24,25; Re 2:23.

45. As unchangeable. Mal 3:6; Heb 1:12; 13:8.

46. As having power to forgive sins. Col 3:13; Mr 2:7,10.

47. As Giver of pastors to the Church. Jer 3:15; Eph 4:11-13.

48. As Husband of the Church. Isa 54:5; Eph 5:25-32; Isa 62:5; Re 21:2,9.

49. As the object of divine worship. Ac 7:59; 2Co 12:8,9; Heb 1:6; Re 5:12.

50. As the object of faith. Ps 2:12; 1Pe 2:6; Jer 17:5,7; Joh 14:1.

51. As God, he redeems and purifies the Church to himself. Re 5:9; Tit 2:14.

52. As God, he presents the Church to himself. Eph 5:27; Jude 1:24,25.

53. Saints live to him as God. Ro 6:11; Ga 2:19; 2Co 5:15.

54. Acknowledged by his Apostles. Joh 20:28.

55. Acknowledged by the Old Testament saints. Ge 17:1; 48:15,16; 32:24-30; Ho 12:3-5; Jdj 6:22-24; 13:21,22; Job 19:25-27.

Torrey, R. (1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:648-649). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "If you think that you have proven that there are three Gods so you have proven that the Father who spoke through prophets, Jesus and the apostles [are] liar[s]. Congratulations, serpentdove!"

One what (Deut 6:4). Three whose: Father, Son, Holy Spirit (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "Then there are two "Gods"..."

One God (Deut 6:4). Maybe you will worship the true Jesus this year? The prophet Isaiah knew he was the "Mighty God" (Isa 9:6).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Neither Jesus nor his apostles knew this...Also Isa 11:1-3, 42:1+6, 53:10 (Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him...) contradicts it. So has the translation of Isa 9:6 been "bent"?"

Jehovah God, the second person of the trinity, did not know his own plan to save mankind? Read Gen 3:15 again.

Scripture does not contradict itself. It must be rightly divided (2 Tim. 2:15).

"The Servant Song concluded with God’s promise to exalt his Servant because he did the Father’s will in dying as a guilt offering (53:10–12; cf. Phil. 2:9–11). The “heirs” was a reference to Christ’s spiritual progeny who would trust in his redemptive work. Because of Christ’s suffering, many would be justified (cf. Rom. 5:1, 18)."

Hughes, R. B., Laney, J. C., & Hughes, R. B. (2001). Tyndale concise Bible commentary. Rev. ed. of: New Bible companion. 1990.; Includes index. The Tyndale reference library (267). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.

THE SATISFACTION OF THE SAVIOR

Tthis point let me quote verse 3 which speaks of Christ’s grief.

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not [Isa. 53:3].

Christ is identified as “a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief,” and the inference is that Christ was a very unhappy Man while He was here upon this earth. To fortify this position a few isolated incidents are quoted which speak of His weeping. Now I want to correct this impression if I can. In verse 4 it says that “he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Notice that it was our sorrows and our griefs that He bore. He had no grief or sorrow of His own. He was supremely happy in His mission here upon earth. In the Epistle to the Hebrews it is said of Him “… for the joy that was set before him he endured the cross” (Heb 12:2, italics mine). These pictures that show Him looking long-faced and very solemn misrepresent Him. Even on the cross He joyfully took our place. He made that cross an altar upon which He offered a satisfactory payment for the penalty of your sins and mine. Willingly He died there, for in verse 7 we read “as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.”

Perhaps you are saying to yourself, “Preacher, that does not make sense to me. I do not believe that, nor do I care for that sort of religion. I do not want God to make a sacrifice for me. I did not ask Him to do it.” Well, it is true that you did not ask Him to do it, but let me ask you a very plain and fair question. I am sure that you will agree that man has gotten this world into a very sad predicament today. The wisdom of man has failed to settle the issues of this life. Had you ever thought that man may be wrong about the next life when he dismisses God’s remedy with a snap of the fingers? Vain philosophy and false science have not solved the problems of daily living. Since they are wrong in so many other areas, they may also be wrong about the Bible.

Suppose for a moment that God did give His Son to die for you and that He did make a tremendous sacrifice. Grant that the cross is God’s remedy for the sin of the world and that it is the very best that even God can do. Suppose also that you go on rejecting this gracious offer of salvation. Do you think that you can reasonably expect God to do anything for you in eternity? If God exhausted His love, His wisdom, and His power in giving Christ to die and patiently has waited for you to turn to Him, what else can He do to save you? What else do you suppose God can do for you, or for anyone, who rejects His Son? He would come again at this moment and die again if that would be the means to save you! It is no light thing to turn down God’s love gift to you.

This does not end the gospel story. We do not worship a dead Christ; we worship a living One. He not only died, He rose again from the grave in victory. He ascended back into heaven. At this moment He is sitting at God’s right hand, and the prophet says:

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities [Isa. 53:11].

We have a living and rejoicing Savior, for His suffering led to satisfaction. He took our hell that we might have His heaven. He is happy, for down through the ages multitudes, yes, millions, have come to Him and found sweet release from guilt, pardon for wrongdoing, and healing from the leprosy of sin. Christ said there is joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, and that number can be multiplied by millions. Think of the joy and satisfaction of Christ today! We have a happy Christ, a joyful Christ, and it is going to be fun to be in His presence.

You can bring added joy to His heart by accepting the gift of eternal life that He longs to give to you. He is not asking anything of you—He wants to give you something. It is for “… him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Rom. 4:5). All you have to do is accept Him right where you are. He invites you to the foot of the cross where you will find forgiveness for your sins. May this be your prayer and mine:

Beneath the cross of Jesus

I fain would take my stand—

The shadow of a mighty Rock

Within a weary land;

A home within the wilderness,

A rest upon the way,

From the burning of the noontide heat,

And the burden of the day.

Upon the cross of Jesus

Mine eye at times can see

The very dying form of One

Who suffered there for me:

And from my stricken heart with tears

Two wonders I confess—

The wonders of redeeming love

And my unworthiness.

—Elizabeth C. Clephane, “Beneath the Cross of Jesus”

What a marvelous prayer this is for a sinner to pray! It makes it very clear that all men will not be saved, that all men must accept the Substitute or they will be lost. It also makes clear that the total depravity of man is taught in the Bible, that we are in no condition to save ourselves. All without exception are involved in guilt, and all without exception are involved in sin, and all without exception are guilty of straying, and all without exception have turned away from God, and all without exception have chosen their own way.

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (3:315-316). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "The Bible calls the angels: gods, "elohim" in Psalms 8:5 and there are a hundred million of them (Daniel 7:10). Even Satan is a god (2 Corinthians 4:4). So too is Jesus who is greater than all of them."

Jesus is not an angel. Angels are created beings (Ne 9:6; Col 1:160). Angels were understood to be very important--communicating the will of God and Christ (Da 8:16,17; 9:21-23; 10:11; 12:6,7; Mt 2:13,20; Lu 1:19,28; Ac 5:20; 8:26; 10:5; 27:23; Re 1:1) and executing God's purposes (Nu 22:22; Ps 103:21; Mt 13:39-42; 28:2; Joh 5:4; Re 5:2). Angels are of different orders (Isa 6:2; 1Th 4:16; 1Pe 3:22; Jude 1:9; Re 12:7). They are not to be worshipped (Col 2:18; Re 19:10; 22:9).

Jesus is God. He is to be worshipped (Matt. 7:21–23; Matt. 10:32, 33 Luke 12:8. John 1:15–18 Matt. 3:11. John 9:22–38; John 12:42, 43; Acts 8:35–37; Acts 18:5; Acts 19:4, 5; Rom. 10:9–11; 1 Cor. 12:3; 1 John 1:6; 1 John 2:4; 1 John 4:2, 3, 15).
Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Why don't you use the God given knowledge but follow the folly of man?"

It is not that you cannot understand, you won't understand (1 Jn 4:3). Jesus is God. All cults and 'isms get Jn 1:1-3 wrong. To be saved, you must believe that Jesus is who he said he is.

Meditate on what the Bible says not what men tell you. Jesus is God in the flesh (Gen. 3:15; Deut. 18:15–18; 1 Chr. 5:2; Psa. 2:7 Acts 13:33. Psa. 40:7, 8; Psa. 80:17; Psa. 89:19; Isa. 7:14–16; Isa. 9:6; Isa. 11:1; Isa. 32:2; Isa. 49:1, 5; Jer. 23:5; Mic. 5:2, 3 Matt. 2:5, 6. Matt. 1:1, 16, 17 [Luke 3:23–38.] Matt. 1:18, 23; Matt. 8:20; Matt. 13:55, 56; Matt. 22:45; Luke 1:26–35, 38–56; Luke 2:1–21; Luke 24:39; John 1:14; John 7:42; John 20:27; Acts 2:30 2 Sam. 7:12; Psa. 89:35, 36. Acts 3:22 Deut. 18:15–19. Acts 13:23; Rom. 1:3; Rom. 8:3; Rom. 9:5; 1 Cor. 15:47; 2 Cor. 5:16; Gal. 3:16 Gen. 12:3; 17:7; 22:18. Gal. 4:4; Phil. 2:7, 8; Col. 1:15; 1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 1:3, 6; Heb. 2:9, 14, 16–18 vs. 9–17.; Heb. 7:14; Heb. 10:5; 1 John 1:1–3; 1 John 4:2, 3; 2 John 7; Rev. 22:16).
Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

"Bla, bla, bla."

Nice attitude toward those who give out the word of God. If you want to believe your own lies, I can't help you (2 Ti 4:3). If you deny Jesus in his spirit or in his flesh, you will not end up in a good place. Give up your sin. Seek the Lord and his righteousness (Mt 6:33).

"...offend the Father the only true God."

When you do not have the Son, you do not have the Father (1 Jn 2:23).

There was a rich man who lost his son in war. When the father died in old age, his valuable art collection was auctioned. The first bid was for a portrait of his son. The bid went low. The auctioneer then told the crowd gathered that the auction would be ended. People looked around confused. The auctioneer had been prohibited from saying before--but the one who won the portrait of his precious son would receive the entire collection. The Father loved his son. He wanted his estate to go to someone who loved him too. True story (Adrienne Rogers).

God the Father is like that. Get to know him in the words of scripture.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Does that mean you believe that Jesus was sent by the Father and that Jesus existed before He came to earth? I want your consistent answer for this question for us to know who really is foolish."

The second person of the Godhead Jehovah descended to become a man. Jesus, the God-man, took on a new nature at his incarnation. Jesus is the creator of the heavens and the earth (John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14).

He preexisted (Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11).

Belief in this Jesus, the Jesus of scripture, saves (Jn 14:6).

"Where did I say that I reject Jesus as the Father's anointed servant?"

You reject the Jesus of scripture (Psa. 2:1–3; Psa. 118:22 Luke 20:17, 18. Isa. 8:14; Isa. 49:4; Isa. 50:1–11; Isa. 53:1–4; Matt. 7:26, 27 Luke 6:46–49. Matt. 8:12, 34 Mark 5:17; Luke 8:37. Matt. 10:14, 15, 33; Matt. 11:16–19 Luke 7:31–35. Matt. 12:38–45; Matt. 13:13, 58 vs. 3–14;; Isa. 6:9, 10. Matt. 17:17; Matt. 21:32, 38–45 Mark 12:1–12; Luke 20:9–18. Matt. 26:31–35, 69–75 Mark 14:27–31, 66–72; Luke 22:31–34, 54–62; John 18:15–27. Mark 6:3–6; Mark 16:16; Luke 7:30, 34; Luke 10:16; Luke 11:23–26; Luke 13:34; Luke 14:16–24 Matt. 22:2–13. Luke 17:25; Luke 19:42; Luke 22:67; Luke 24:25 vs. 11,15–25,37-39.; John 1:11; John 3:11, 12, 18, 19, 32; John 5:38, 40, 43; John 6:36, 60–68; John 7:3–5, 12, 13, 15, 25–27; John 8:13, 21, 22, 24, 30 [with vs. 25–29.] John 8:45–47, 53; John 9:16, 17, 24; John 10:20, 21, 24, 33; John 11:46–48; John 12:37, 48; John 15:18, 20, 24; Acts 13:46; Acts 18:5, 6; Acts 22:18; Acts 28:24, 25, 27; Rom. 3:3; Rom. 9:31, 32; Rom. 10:16, 21; 1 Cor. 1:18, 23; 2 Tim. 2:12; Heb. 6:6; Heb. 10:29; 1 Pet. 2:4, 7, 8; 2 Pet. 2:1; 1 John 2:22, 23; 2 John 1:7; Jude 4).

Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

"The word Jehovah is a folly."

That's nice (Re 1:7,8; 22:12,13,20; Isa 48:12,13).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Jesus did not personally exist prior to his birth."

That is why you are on Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List) http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55479

Jesus, the second person of the trinity, preexisted (Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11)

His humanity was new (Gen. 3:15; Deut. 18:15–19; Psa. 22:22; Isa. 8:18; Isa. 9:6; Dan. 7:13; Matt. 16:27, 28; Matt. 18:11; Matt. 20:28, 30, 31; Matt. 21:9; Matt. 26:2, 26–28, 36–45 Mark 14:34, 42. Matt. 26:64; Mark 2:28; Mark 9:9, 12; Mark 10:33, 45; Mark 14:21, 62; Luke 2:11–14; Luke 5:24; Luke 17:22, 24; Luke 18:31; Luke 19:10; Luke 21:36; Luke 22:48, 69; John 1:14; John 5:27; John 12:34; John 13:31; Acts 7:56; Acts 17:31; Gal. 4:4; Phil. 2:7, 8; 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 2:9, 10, 14–18; Heb. 10:12; 1 John 4:2, 3; 2 John 7; Rev. 1:13; Rev. 14:14)
Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

"Am I going to point something stupid out here: 100% + 100% = ?"

God and man. Son of God (trinity member [Matt. 28:19]) and Son of Man (Dan. 7:13; 8:17; Matt. 8:20; 9:6; 10:23; 11:19; 12:8, 32, 40; 13:37, 41; 16:13, 27, 28; 17:9, 12, 22; 19:28; 20:18, 28; 24:27, 30, 30, 37, 39, 44; 25:31; 26:2, 24, 45, 64; John 1:51; 3:13, 14; 5:27; 6:27, 53, 62; 8:28; 9:35; 12:23, 34; 13:31; Acts 7:56; Heb. 2:6; Rev. 1:13; 14:14).

Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this [Isa. 9:6–7].

"How will this come about? “The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.” Is this a reference to the first coming of Christ? Most Christians seem to think it is, because they quote it at Christmas time. However, I feel sure that it refers to the second coming of Christ when He will be “born” to the nation of Israel. This is a complete prophecy of the Lord Jesus Christ at His second coming, as Isaiah 53 is of His first coming. These verses continue the thought which we picked up in verse 3, and they look forward to the second coming of Christ.

The question arises of how “a child is born” at His second coming. First of all, let me clearly state that He was not born “untous, ” the nation Israel, at His first coming. They didn’t receive Him. “He came unto his own, and his own received him not” (John 1:11). Although He was born at Bethlehem the first time, He was not received by the nation—only a few shepherds welcomed Him. The wise men who came to worship Him were Gentiles from a foreign land. If you read verse 6 carefully, you will see that it was not fulfilled at His first coming, neither were verses 3, 5, and 7.

To say that Christ will be born to the nation Israel might be better stated. Actually, Israel will be born as a nation “at once,” which is made perfectly clear in the final chapter of Isaiah: “Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed [that is the Great Tribulation], she brought forth her children” (Isa. 66:7–8).

Israel is to be “delivered of a man child” in the future, not by His birth, but by Israel’s birth. This will be the new birth of the nation Israel when Christ comes again. Israel will be born at the second coming of Christ.

I see no objection to calling attention to the fact that the child is born—that is, His humanity. The son is given, which will be true at His second coming. In other words, it will be the same Jesus who was here nearly two thousand years ago.

“The government shall be upon his shoulder.” The shoulder speaks of strength. The government of this world will be placed on His strong shoulders at His second coming; it was not at His first coming.

Notice the names that are given to our Lord:

“Wonderful”—this is not an adjective; this is His name. In Judges 13:18 we see the preincarnate Christ appearing as the Captain of the hosts of the Lord: “And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?” “Secret” in this verse is the same word as is translated “Wonderful.” In Matthew 11:27 the Lord Jesus said, “… no man knoweth the Son, but the Father …” The people did not know it, but He was Wonderful, and people still don’t know it today. There are Christians who have trusted Him as Savior but really don’t know how wonderful He is.

He is going to put down rebellion when He comes to earth the second time, and He is going to reign on earth. His name is “Wonderful!”

“Counsellor”—He never sought the counsel of man, and He never asked for the advice of man. “For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?” (Rom. 11:34). God has no counsellor. The Lord Jesus Christ never called His disciples together and said, “Now, fellows, what do you think I ought to do?” You don’t read anything like that in Scripture. The Lord called them together and said, “This is what I am going to do, because this is My Father’s will.” And Christ has been made unto us wisdom (see 1 Cor. 1:30). Most of us are not very smart. We must go to Him for help.

“The mighty God”—The Hebrew word for this name is El Gibbor. He is the one to whom “all power is given.” He is the omnipotent God. That little baby lying helpless on Mary’s bosom held the universe together. He said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” He is the Mighty God!

“The everlasting Father”—Avi-ad, Father of eternity. This simply means that He is the Creator of all things, even time, the ages, and the far-off purpose of all things. As John said, “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3). In Colossians 1:16 Paul said, “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.” Then in Hebrews 1–2 we read, “God … Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds [ages].” The translation of the Greek word aionshould be “ages” instead of “worlds,” and that is the thought in this title of His—Father of eternity.

“The Prince of Peace”—Sar-Shalohim. There can be no peace on this earth until He is reigning. His government is not static; there is increase and growth. No two days are going to be alike when Jesus is reigning. He is going to occupy the throne of David. This is a literal throne which He will occupy at His second coming. Justice will be dominant in His rule. God’s zeal, not man’s zany plans, will accomplish this."

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (3:220-222). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"[T]he word in Joh 1:1-3 was not Jesus and he didn't create the world."

There is your problem. Jn 1:1 is a big problem for every cult and every 'ism. I would park there for a few years. Meditate on Jn 1:1.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [John 1:1].

"The Gospel of John introduces the Lord Jesus Christ with three tremendous statements:

“In the beginning was the Word,”

“And the Word was with God,”

“And the Word was God.”

“The Word” is one of the highest and most profound titles of the Lord Jesus Christ. To determine the exact meaning is not easy. Obviously the Lord Jesus Christ is not the logos of Greek philosophy; rather He is the memra of the Hebrew Scriptures. Notice how important the Word is in the Old Testament. For instance, the name for Jehovah was never pronounced. It was such a holy word that they never used it at all. But this is the One who is the Word and, gathering up everything that was said of Him in the Old Testament, He is now presented as the One “In the beginning.” This beginning antedates the very first words in the Bible, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” That beginning can be dated, although I do not believe that anyone can date it accurately—it is nonsense to say that it is 4004 b.c., as Ussher’s dating has it. It probably goes back billions and billions of years. You see, you and I are dealing with the God of eternity. When you go back to creation He is already there, and that is exactly the way this is used—“in the beginning was the Word.” Notice it is not is the Word; it was not in the beginning that the Word started out or was begotten. Was (as Dr. Lenske points out) is known as a durative imperfect, meaning continued action. It means that the Word was in the beginning. What beginning? Just as far back as you want to go. The Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1). Does that begin God? No, just keep on going back billions and trillions and “squillions” of years. I can think back to billions of years back of creation—maybe you can go beyond that—but let’s put down a point there, billions of years back of creation. He already was; He comes out of eternity to meet us. He did not begin. “In the beginning was the Word”—He was already there when the beginning was. “Well,” somebody says, “there has to be a beginning somewhere.” All right, wherever you begin, He is there to meet you, He is already past tense. “In the beginning was the Word”—five words in the original language, and there is not a man on topside of this earth who can put a date on it or understand it or fathom it. This first tremendous statement starts us off in space, you see.

The second statement is this, “and the Word was with God.” This makes it abundantly clear that He is separate and distinct from God the Father. You cannot identify Him as God the Father because He is with God. “But,” someone says, “if He is with God, He is not God.” The third statement sets us straight, “and the Word was God.” This is a clear, emphatic declaration that the Lord Jesus Christ is God. In fact, the Greek is more specific than this, because in the Greek language the important word is placed at the beginning of the sentence and it reads, “God was the Word.” That is emphatic; you cannot get it more emphatic than that. Do you want to get rid of the deity of Christ? My friend, you cannot get rid of it. The first three statements in John’s gospel tie the thing down. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:369). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [JW lie] "No, they don't. You do lie..."

The Bible clearly teaches the doctrine of the trinity (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).

Divine titles are applied to all three persons of the trinity (Ex 20:2; Joh 20:28; Ac 5:3,4).

Jehovah's Witnesses teach arianism (dynamic monarchianism). They are either right or they are wrong. According to scripture, they are wrong.

False Teaching about the Trinity:

Tri-Theism:
Modern Example: Mormonism - Jesus was a created being and the Spirit-brother of Lucifer, who became a god. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods and we too can become gods.

Modalism (also Sabellianism, Modalistic Monarchianism):
Modern Example: United Pentecostal Church - "Jesus only", there is only one God who manifests himself in three modes. God is essentially playing different roles and the assumption is that in the Old Testament he revealed himself as the Father, in the New Testament God reveals himself as Jesus, and in the church-age as Holy Spirit.

Arianism (Dynamic Monarchianism):
Modern Example: Jehovah's Witnesses - Denying the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Jesus was a created being adopted by God, and the Holy Spirit is simply the power of God or a force..." full text: http://www.thecityaustin.com/sermon/the-trinity/

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "The Trinity doctrine is a lie."

Believe God not cults and 'isms (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "The word Jehovah doesn't appear in any of the original scripts..."

Used in the KJV occasionally, and the ASV 1901 as the norm, Jehovah is an artificial form for the personal name of God, which is likely pronounced "Yahweh" (i.e., translated, "the LORD"). A name of deity, Ex. 3:14; Rev. 1:4, 11, 17.

Jehovah is "Alpha and Omega" and "the First and the Last". Re 1:7,8; 22:12,13,20; Isa 48:12,13.

There is only one true God, Jehovah. Isa 43:10,11; Joh 1:1; * compare NW, Watchtower’s rendering; Isa 44:6,8; Joh 1:1; * compare KJV,RSV,NKJ,NIV,JB, &c; Heb 1:3; Col 2:9 * Read in NIV.

Torrey, R. (1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "Never heard that before."

You prefer lies to the truth (Jn 3:19). Stop sinning (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness (Mt 6:33).

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "[W]rong idea [Jn 1:1]..."

John 1:1 isn't going away.

1:1–5 From Unknown to Known

"The term “Word” was an established philosophical concept that John used, added to, and enriched, to communicate the nature of Jesus Christ. John’s presentation of the “Word” incorporates both Greek and Jewish ideas.

Philo, the Alexandrian Jew who sought to bring about a synthesis of Greek philosophy with Old Testament thought, used the concept of the “word” to denote how God created and communicated with the material world. In keeping with Greek thought, Philo conceived of the philosophical “word” as a bridge between the transcendent holy God and the material evil universe. To the Greek of the first century, the word was a mediating principle between God and the world of created matter.

But John’s usage of the term was also centrally located in the Old Testament Scripture’s account concerning God and creation. Using the concept of the “Word,” points were made in 1:1 concerning Christ’s eternal existence, relationship to the Father, and character as God. Jesus the Messiah was the “Word,” the Creator, come to bring about the redemption of the fallen creation—to recreate what had been broken by sin. John used the concept of the powerful and creative Word, a concept familiar to both Jews and Greeks, and gave it greater meaning, identifying the Word as the divine Person, Jesus, who came to reveal God to man. He was God’s creative presence, present to redeem what had fallen into the bondage of sin and to mediate between the Creator and creation.

In the Old Testament the “word of God” is often personified as an instrument for doing God’s will (Pss. 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15). Jesus, the Word, came to earth expressly to do God’s will by bringing about God’s plan for redemption. John repeats the statement that Christ was with God in order to show his close relationship with God (1:2). Jesus, the Word, was the creative and effective extension of God, given to show God’s love to lost mankind.

In Genesis 1 God spoke (his word) and the entire universe came into being. In the Bible generally, the “Word” is the personification of God’s revelation. Throughout Scripture creation and salvation are closely linked as forms of God’s self-revelation (1:3). God revealed himself first as Creator (Gen. 1) and then as Redeemer or Recreator in the person of Jesus Christ. John presents Christ’s work as the beginning of a new creation. Similarly, Paul calls the Christian a “new creation” in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17).

The themes of light and life, both describing God’s work in the creation, are related to the person of Christ (1:4–5). Light shines in the darkness of creation. Light was the first element (cf. Gen. 1). All that will follow in John’s account of Christ’s life is done with a comparison of the creation account of Genesis in mind. For example, the first miracle, the sign of water changed into wine, receives the evaluation of “very good” by the master of the banquet (“best,” 2:10). That parallels God’s evaluation of his creation in Genesis 1 where he calls all “very good” (Gen. 1:31). In addition, this miracle comes as the culmination of a week of creative activity by Jesus the “Word,” further paralleling the Genesis account (see “Signs and Belief” in the Guiding Concepts section).

“Light” and “darkness” (1:5) are frequently used metaphors in John’s Gospel. Jesus was the source of spiritual light (cf. 8:12; 9:5). “Darkness” referred to the realm of spiritual evil—the satanic world system set against God (1:5; 3:19; 8:12). John tells his readers right at the beginning of his Gospel that the darkness could not extinguish the light of Christ."

Hughes, R. B., Laney, J. C., & Hughes, R. B. (2001). Tyndale concise Bible commentary. Rev. ed. of: New Bible companion. 1990.; Includes index. The Tyndale reference library (465). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "...[T]rue worshippers of the Father have no problem at all. They just follow their Lord who leads them to the Father the only true God..."

You do not have the Son; therefore, you do not have the Father (Jn 2:23).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "You are back into your trade Instead answering my question you twist again providing verses which clearly show your aim to deceive, distort and lead to destruction...You obviously want to perish, serpentdove, don't you? You blatantly reject that the knowledge about the Father the only true God is the door to the life eternal, the door you keep closed with a maniac's determination. Good luck to you and your pagan stiled gods..."

Response to comment [from a Jehovah's Witness]: "...[A]ngels can be called "gods". Why can't Jesus?"

Because it is not true. Jews understood that angels executed the purposes of God (Nu 22:22; Ps 103:21; Mt 13:39-42; 28:2; Jn 5:4; Re 5:2). When an angel announced the conception of Christ, it was a big deal (Mt 1:20,21; Lu 1:31). Jesus is not an angel. Angels are subject to him (Eph 1:21; Col 1:16; 2:10; 1Pe 3:22). Angels were created by him (Ne 9:6; Col 1:16).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "His servant Jesus"

Jesus is worthy of worship (Josh. 5:14, 15; Psa. 45:11, 17; Matt. 2:2, 11; Matt. 9:18; Matt. 14:33; Matt. 15:25; Matt. 20:20; Matt. 28:9, 16, 17; Mark 3:11; Mark 5:6, 7; Mark 11:9, 10 Matt. 21:9; John 12:13. Luke 4:41; Luke 5:8; Luke 23:42; Luke 24:52; John 5:23; John 9:38; Acts 7:59, 60 Acts 1:24. 1 Cor. 1:2; 2 Cor. 12:8, 9; Phil. 2:10, 11; 1 Tim. 1:12; Heb. 1:6; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 5:8, 9, 12–14; Rev. 7:10).

He is the uncreated (Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11) creator of the heavens and the earth ( John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14).
Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

"...[A]s if you could buy [God's] favours by your craftiness."

The Lord fills empty hands. Salvation is not of works (Ro 11:6; Eph 2:9; 2Ti 1:9; Tit 3:5). It is of God's mercy (Ps 6:4; Tit 3:5).

"...[P]agan tricks neither work with the Father the only true God nor with His servant."

Jesus is God (Jn 1:1). He'll be your savior (2 Tim. 1:10; Tit. 2:13; 2 Pet. 1:1) or he'll be your judge (Acts 10:42).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "bias and error..."

Let's all believe you instead of God and his word.

Meanwhile, Jesus is still God (Jn 1:1) and there are still many false Christs (Matt. 24:24) and false teachers like you who deny his deity (1 Jn 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 Jn 1:7).

Jesus is still on the throne (Re 4:2) and you are still lying (1 Jn 2:22).

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