Modalism

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Godrulz is Trinitarian and is correct about Modalism, sometimes called Sabellianism and Monarchian Modalism.  God the Father is invisible, infinite, spirit being, from Whom Jesus claims to 'have come forth'."

 

You're both wrong.

"...[I]f you don't [believe in the triune God (Jn 1:1)], you fall into the old error of what was known as modalistic monarchianism that...or Sabellianism, that God simply appears once for awhile like this and once for awhile like this and He has different uniforms He wears. But you can't do that because you got the Son praying to the Father in the Spirit. If you don't believe in the Trinity, then who loses their deity? You take God's deity away, you take the Son's deity away or the Spirit's deity away and you've denied the reality of the Person of God. And invariably the cults do this. They will...you've got a group in the middle of Africa. They believe in the Father, the Son and the Spirit of Zimbabwe. What is that? Or you've got the Mormons who believe in God and Jesus is a created being. They...that's deathly because if you preach any other Christ than the Christ of the Word of God, you're anathema. And the Christ of the Word of God said "if you've seen Me, you've seen the Father. I and the Father are one." So, the thing you want to do is accept it by faith and not try to understand it intellectually because it's beyond your understanding. Okay? That's a hard one. That's a fair question, though..." Full text:
Bible Questions and Answers, Part 12 Grace to You

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What are Sabellianism, Modalism, and Monarchianism? What were some of the early beliefs about the Trinity?

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I am trying to figure out what Godrulz is..."

You will learn more about GodRulzRandomThoughts by what questions he won't answer. He is an antichrist (2 Pe 2:1).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "...Did you think that I was claiming to be a Modalist? or that I was approving of Modalism? I wasn't." 

 

Do you reject: Sabellianism, Modalism, Monarchianism (dynamic and modalistic), and Patripassianism? See: What are Sabellianism, Modalism, and Monarchianism?) If your answer is yes, why did you say: "Godrulz is Trinitarian and is correct about Modalism, sometimes called Sabellianism and Monarchian Modalism."

 

"Godrulz and I have argued against these heresies in the same threads over the time that I've spend here in this forum and it appears to me from what he posts, that he understands traditional Trinitarianism as well as these heresies. Show me where he has said something against classical Trinitarianism or something that agrees with the Christological heresies and I will recant of my statement."

 

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Godrulz

Please reconcile these two statements. First you said:

"Godrulz is trinitarian [He is not] and is correct about Modalism, sometimes called Sabellianism and Monarchian Modalism [He is a modalist and a false teacher (
2 Pe 2:1)]..." link

Next you said:

"Yes, I reject Sabellianism, Modalism, Monarchianism (dynamic and modalistic), and Patripassianism."
link

 

"I looked at all these references and it appears that your argument with GR is not about Modalism but about whether Jesus Christ could have sinned..."

 

GodRulzRandomThoughts is a type of modalist. His Jesus has modes of holiness. The Jesus of scripture does not (Ps. 16:10, Is. 11:4, 5).

"GR affirmed that he believed that Jesus Christ could have sinned but didn't."

 

We agree that Jesus did not sin.  We do not agree that Jesus is sinless (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:14).  He rejects essential Christian doctrine.

 

"I disagree with this. I do not believe that Jesus Christ could have sinned."

 

That's right. Jesus can do whatever he wants. He's God.

Will he sin? No. He is committed to righteousness (Ps 7:9; 116:5; 119:137). Why is he committed to righteousness? Because he is holy (Ps. 16:10, Is. 11:4, 5). Why is he holy? Because he is God (Jn 1:1).

You and I have no difficulty answering these questions. We don't
work to undermine God's character.

Can God be unholy like GodRulzRandomThoughts' Jesus? No (
Hab 1:13, Mal 3:6). Will RandomThoughts these questions? No. Why? Because he's knows that when he begins to answer these questions, his horns will start showing.

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he? [Hab. 1:13].

"“Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity.” That is a true statement. A holy God cannot look upon evil and iniquity. That is the reason no one can go to heaven with his sin on him. That is why we must all have the forgiveness for our sins. We all need the cleansing power of the blood of the Lamb. We must be given a new nature. We must be born again. Even Nicodemus, a very religious man, needed to be born again and to receive a new nature. Religion will not wash away sin. It is the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ who died and rose again that will wash away sin. God cannot look on iniquity, and He never will look on iniquity. That is why there is no entrance into heaven for you until your sin has been dealt with.

You see, when God forgives you, it is because the penalty for your sin has been paid for by His Son. God is not a sentimental old gentleman who doesn’t have the heart to judge little man down here on this earth. God is a holy God who will not look upon iniquity. Your sin will have to be confessed and forgiven before you can be accepted by Him..." McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 3:843-844

 

"Jesus if fully GOD and fully man..."

 

RandomThoughts will say the same thing (Ga 5:9). He calls Jesus the Godman. He may as well call him the Wolfman because his Jesus is like every other man born after Adam. He rejects a biblical view of sin.

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Godrulz

 

"...the two natures united by His one person."

 

Right, 100% God, 100% man.    

 

Modalism