Nobody understands you GP

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I wonder if Knight would mind if I bump an occasional Squeaky "Revelations on In the Milk and In the Meat" thread."

Do it. Don't think. Do it." ~ Dwight, The Office

I appreciate your peculiarities, GP (Deut 14:2).

"Dispensations:

The dispensation of innocence (from the creation of man to the Fall of man)
Gen. 1:28–3:6
The dispensation of conscience (from the Fall to the Flood)
Gen. 4:1–8:14
The dispensation of civil government (from the Flood to the dispersion at Babel)
Gen. 8:15–11:9
The dispensation of promise or patriarchal rule (from Babel to Mount Sinai)
Gen. 11:10; Exod. 18:27
The dispensation of the Mosaic Law (from Mount Sinai to the Upper Room)
Exod. 19; Acts 1:26
The dispensation of the bride of the Lamb, the Church (from the Upper Room to the Rapture)
Acts 2:1; Rev. 3:22
The dispensation of the wrath of the Lamb—the Tribulation (from the Rapture to the Second Coming)
Rev. 6:1–20:3
The dispensation of the rule of the Lamb—the Millennium (from the Second Coming through the Great White Throne judgment)
Rev. 20:4–15
The dispensation of the new creation of the Lamb—the world without end (from the Great White Throne judgment throughout all eternity)
Rev. 21–22"
Willmington, H. L.: Willmington's Book of Bible Lists. Wheaton, Ill. : Tyndale House, 1987

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I do not get my doctrine from Tyndale..."

It's all about God's grace (Eph. 3:2).

"...[O]ld covenant=death...new covenant =grace..."

God is at work (Eph. 1:10).

"Dispensation — (Gr. oikonomia, “management,” “economy”). 1. The method or scheme according to which God carries out his purposes towards men is called a dispensation. There are usually reckoned three dispensations, the Patriarchal, the Mosaic or Jewish, and the Christian. (See COVENANT , Administration of.) These were so many stages in God’s unfolding of his purpose of grace toward men. The word is not found with this meaning in Scripture.

2. A commission to preach the gospel (1 Cor. 9:17; Eph. 1:10; 3:2; Col. 1:25).

Dispensations of Providence are providential events which affect men either in the way of mercy or of judgment." Easton, M.G.: Easton's Bible Dictionary. Oak Harbor, WA : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1996, c1897

And God has always saved men the same way--by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9, Jas 2:23).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Your rejection of the triune understanding in favor of a type of modalism would be considered far more serious than a moot dispensational theory that affirms Pauline truth, but adds an odd twist for a limited time and small group (circ vs uncirc). So, you are calling the kettle black."

You're projecting again. Eph 4:14

Man has a heart problem (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5). Jesus does not (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5). Your modalism includes Jesus in a state like sinful man.

“…This is the problem with man that is outlined in the seventh chapter of Mark. Jesus said to the multitude, "Listen to Me, all of you, and understand," Mark 7:14, "there's nothing outside the man which going into him can defile him." Your problem is not what's outside of you, it's not your environment, it's not the way you were treated as a child, it's not that you were abused, it's not that you were misunderstood, it's not that you weren't loved, it's not that you were deprived, it's not the society is beating on you with all of its forceful temptations, there isn't anything outside of you coming into you that defiles you. It is that, He says, which proceeds out of the man that defiles the man. That again is another definition of human depravity given by Jesus Himself. It's what comes out of the man that defiles the man. Later in verse 18, "Are you so lacking in understanding, do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him because it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach and it's eliminated?" He said, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man, for from within, out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man." That is really just an extension of what God said in Genesis chapter 6, confirming what we understand about depravity…” Full text: The Destruction of Mankind, Part 1 by John MacArthur

"Jesus is not a sinner..."

You said that he could have sinned.

"You wrongly think that genuine humanity means one is sinful..."

Then why do you deny his deity? 2 Pe 2:1. His gospel includes his holiness (Isa 35:8). If he was 100% God and 100% man, what percentage of him could have sinned?

You fail to appreciate what John MacArthur called the exceeding sinfulness of sin.

"...You have a world full of people who did nothing but form evil in their hearts, conduct themselves in an evil way, and all these sinners colliding in unending conflict. For emphasis, verse 12, God actually repeats and enhances what was said in verse 11, "And God looked on the earth," there is what God saw, and what did He see? "It was corrupt, behold, it was corrupt for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth."

But the language here is really remarkable...all flesh, all flesh had corrupted their way, every intent of the thought of his heart was only evil continually. All the adjectives, all the adverbs speak of an absolutely inclusive depravity, strong emphatic words to demonstrate the extent of depravity. It's not just the behavior of man that is depraved, it goes right down to the very thinking of man, right down to the very forming of all of his viewpoints. And it extends to every human being and it is in the heart of every human being all the time and only that." Full text: The Destruction of Mankind, Part 1 by John MacArthur

Lie of the day (Ingraham).

[Grace to You: God the Son]

"We teach that Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Trinity, possesses all the divine excellencies, and in these He is coequal, consubstantial, and coeternal with the Father (John 10:30; 14:9).
We teach that God the Father created all things according to His own will, through His Son, Jesus Christ, by whom all things continue in existence and in operation (John 1:3; Colossians 1:15 17; Hebrews 1:2).

We teach that in the incarnation (God becoming man) Christ surrendered only the prerogatives of deity but nothing of the divine essence, either in degree or kind.

In His incarnation, the eternally existing second Person of the Trinity accepted all the essential characteristics of humanity and so became the God Man (Philippians 2:5 8; Colossians 2:9). We teach that Jesus Christ represents humanity and deity in indivisible oneness (Micah 5:2; John 5:23; 14:9 10; Colossians 2:9).

We teach that our Lord Jesus Christ was virgin born (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23, 25; Luke 1:26 35); that He was God incarnate (John 1:1, 14); and that the purpose of the incarnation was to reveal God, redeem men, and rule over God's kingdom (Psalm 2:7 9; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:29; Philippians 2:9 11; Hebrews 7:25 26; 1 Peter 1:18 19).
We teach that, in the incarnation, the second person of the Trinity laid aside His right to the full prerogatives of coexistence with God, assumed the place of a Son, and took on an existence appropriate to a servant while never divesting Himself of His divine attributes (Philippians 2:5 8).

We teach that our Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through the shedding of His blood and sacrificial death on the cross and that His death was voluntary, vicarious, substitutionary, propitiatory, and redemptive (John 10:15; Romans 3:24 25; 5:8; 1 Peter 2:24).

We teach that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead and that He is now ascended to the right hand of the Father, where He now mediates as our Advocate and High Priest (Matthew 28:6; Luke 24:38 39; Acts 2:30 31; Romans 4:25; 8:34; Hebrews 7:25; 9:24; 1 John 2:1).

We teach that in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave, God confirmed the deity of His Son and gave proof that God has accepted the atoning work of Christ on the cross. Jesus' bodily resurrection is also the guarantee of a future resurrection life for all believers (John 5:26 29; 14:19; Romans 1:4; 4:25; 6:5 10; 1 Corinthians 15:20, 23).

We teach that Jesus Christ will return to receive the church, which is His Body, unto Himself at the rapture, and returning with His church in glory, will establish His millennial kingdom on earth (Acts 1:9 11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13 18; Revelation 20).

We teach that the Lord Jesus Christ is the One through whom God will judge all mankind (John 5:22 23):

Believers (1 Corinthians 3:10 15; 2 Corinthians 5:10)

Living inhabitants of the earth at His glorious return (Matthew 25:31 46).

Unbelieving dead at the Great White Throne (Revelation 20:11 15).

As the Mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5), the Head of His Body the church (Ephesians 1:22; 5:23; Colossians 1:18), and the coming universal King, who will reign on the throne of David (Isaiah 9:6; Luke 1:31 33), He is the final Judge of all who fail to place their trust in Him as Lord and Savior (Matthew 25:14 46; Acts 17:30 31). We teach that on the basis of the efficacy of the death of our Lord Jesus Christ, the believing sinner is freed from the punishment, the penalty, the power, and one day the very presence of sin; and that he is declared righteous, given eternal life, and adopted into the family of God (Romans 3:25; 5:8 9; 2 Corinthians 5:14 15; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18)..." Full text: Grace to You: God the Son

"[P]eople who just quote MacArthur (who is strong on some things..."

I've met John MacArthur.  He is a fine servant of the Lord (1 Co 6:20; 7:23).

"[P]eople who just quote MacArthur (who is strong on some things..."

Then you will support your claim with scripture.

You're projecting again. 2 Pe 2:1

[Can You Be a Christian and Deny the Trinity? John 1:1-14 by John MacArthur] "If you don’t believe in the Trinity, then you don’t understand who God is. You may say the word “God” but you don’t understand His nature. Second, you couldn’t possibly understand who Christ is--that He is God in human flesh. The Incarnation of Christ is an essential component of the biblical gospel, as John 1:1-14 and many other biblical passages make clear. To deny the Trinity is to deny the Incarnation. And to deny the Incarnation is to wrongly understand the true gospel.

In saying that, I realize that such an answer is going to not only impact people that you may have witnessed to (like Mormons), but it also applies to some in the broader Pentecostal movement, called United Pentecostals or "Jesus-Only" Pentecostals. Such individuals hold to a kind of modalism, where God is sometimes in the mode of the Father or the mode of the Son or the mode of the Spirit, but He’s never all three at the same time. That too is a deficient and heretical view of the Trinity. It denies the distinct Personhood of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The same question sometimes arises about the Virgin Birth. I think it is possible for a person to become a Christian before learning about the details of the Virgin Birth, though that person would certainly assume that Jesus Christ must have had a unique birth since He is both God and man. But, if someone knows about the Virgin Birth and says, “Ideny the Virgin Birth,” then he is simultaneously denying the deity of Christ, and also the Trinity. Such a person betrays the fact that they do not understand the gospel, and therefore cannot have truly been saved..." Full text: Can You Be a Christian and Deny the Trinity?

Talk about Jesus’ sinlessness while he walked on Earth, God in the flesh (Isa 7:14, Mt 1:23). When was he more or less holy? Did his holiness remain the same or increase after the resurrection?

"I am not the polytheist nor the modalist. I am defending the triune view. Get a life."

I have a life. You need one (Mt 6:33, Mk 8:27).

Christ was not less holy than the Father while he walked on earth (Heb 4:15, Isa 7:14, Mt 1:23). He is indivisible from the Father (Jn 1:1-3, Heb 1:3).

SD: “ Could he [Jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

"…[T]here must be added to those conditions the inner and always unforced "yes" or "no" by which the person responds to the situation..." Full text

[Making Himself Equal with God by John MacArthur] “Jesus further outraged the unbelieving Jews by taking for Himself the covenant name of God, "I am" (Yahweh). That name was so sacred to the Jews that they refused to even pronounce it, lest they take it vain (cf. Exod. 20:7). In John 8:24 Jesus warned that those who refuse to believe He is Yahweh will perish eternally: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (The word "He" is not in the original Greek.) Later in that chapter "Jesus said to [His hearers], 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am'" (v. 58). Unlike many modern deniers of His deity, the Jews knew exactly what He was claiming, as their subsequent attempt to stone Him for blasphemy makes clear (v. 59). In John 13:19 Jesus told His disciples that when what He predicted came to pass, they would believe that He is Yahweh. Even His enemies, coming to arrest Him in Gethsemane, were overwhelmed by His divine power and fell to the ground when Jesus said "I am" (John 18:5-8).

All of the above lines of evidence converge on one inescapable point: Jesus Christ claimed absolute equality with God. Thus He could say, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30); "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me" (John 12:45); and "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (14:9-10). And thus we can conclude that "in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9), and we can worship Him accordingly as "our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus" (Titus 2:13)…” Full text: Making Himself Equal with God

You did not answer: Is Jesus indivisible from the Godhead? Jn 1:1-3 crickets...

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [dead]

Ask him if he worships Jesus.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "While I do not hold to the trinity..."

Neither of you get by Jn 1:1-3. No cult or ism gets by Jn 1:1-3.

Graceandpeace asked you about "I am".  Who is I am in Exodus 3:14?  Who revealed himself as cloud of glory? Ex 16:10; 40:35 and a pillar of fire? Ex 13:22 Whose glory was manifested? Ex 16:10; 40:35

"It is incarnational heresy to deny His Deity during the incarnation. Deity adds humanity without ceasing to be Deity, one person with two natures, God-Man."

You're projecting again. Why did Jesus die? 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[W]hat do we have to know to be saved?"

You need to know and trust the Jesus of scripture (2 Co 3:4).

"I believe all men are sinners in need of a sinless Savior, as do you. I believe that sin entered by Adam as the occasion of the first sin, but not the cause of all men being born sinners (using your logic, people are born gay instead of choosing the sin)..."

Red herring. We weren't speaking about the rebellion of sodomites.

Homosexuality is: forbidden (Lev. 18:22), considered an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24), punishment for (Lev. 20:13), unclean (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).

Men sin because they are sinners (Jn 3:6). You do not appreciate the exceeding sinfulness of sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5). Jesus came in order to die on the cross for the sins of this world (e.g. dying for man’s sins (1 Pet. 1:18, 19), satisfying God’s justice (Rom. 3:25, 26), reconciling God and man (2 Cor. 5:18, 19), offering believing sinner perfect righteousness (2 Cor. 5:20, 21).

Your "Jesus" had his own sin problem. The Jesus of scripture does not (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5 ). He is indivisible from the Godhead (Jn 1:1-3). He's holy (Ps 16:10, Isa 11:4-5). He's righteous (Jer 23:6) and he is just (Ps 98:9; Isa 11:4; Jer 23:5).

What does The Lord of Righteousness mean? Jer 23:6. Is he not righteous? Or is he not the Lord? Jn 1:1-3

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

If he is not righteous, he is not the Lord.

Understand the spirit of antichrist (1 Jn 4:2-6).

See:

The Jesus test, the gospel test, and the fruit test

"...I have given a link for Ps. 51..."

Ps 51 is about repentance. Follow David's example:

"David confesses his sin to God and asks for forgiveness and mercy.

David's confession (51:1–6):

David appeals to God (51:1–2): “Wash me clean from my guilt.”
David acknowledges his sin (51:3–6): “I recognize my shameful deeds.”

David's Cleansing (51:7–10): David asks God to do three things:

Remove his sin (51:7) .
Restore his joy (51:8–9).
Renew his spirit (51:10) : David wants a clean heart and a right spirit." Willmington, H. L.: The Outline Bible. Wheaton, Ill. : Tyndale House Publishers, 1999, S. Ps 51:10

"Your verses do not prove original sin..."

Sin entered into the world by Adam (Ge 3:6,7; Ro 5:12).  All men are conceived and born in sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5).  All men are shapen in sin (Ps 51:5).  Scripture concludes all under sin (Ga 3:22).  No man is without sin (1 Ki 8:46; Ec 7:20).  Christ alone was without sin (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5).

"...like Catholics teach..."

Guilt by association

I reject Catholicism.

"We are sinners because we sin..."

We sin because we are sinners (Ps 51:5, Ga 3:22). Tell us why Jesus came? 1 Ti 1:15

For the Christian--that's what we were (Jn 5:24).
 

"...[W]e do not sin because we are born sinners (Rom. 1-3 is explicit...)"

You have yet to explain why 100% of men sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5).  How is Jesus different from other men born after Adam?  2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5.

"Paul’s Three “I Am’s,” Chapter 1:14–17 (Key verses, 16–17—the revelation of the righteousness of God)
Revelation of the Sin of Man, Chapters 1:18–3:20 (This is “Sinnerama.” Universal fact: Man is a sinner. Ecumenical movement is away from God. Axiom: World is guilty before God—all need righteousness.)
Revelation of the Wrath of God against Sin of Man, Chapter 1:18–32"
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 4:642

"...Christ alone is without sin."

What do you mean by "Christ"? Jn 1:1-3. Explain your statement:

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

"...[Y]ou are hung up on, this is moot since we agree that all men are sinners who cannot save themselves and need a sinless Savior."

Yet, your "Jesus" could have sinned. Jesus' sinlessness is essential Christian doctrine.

Is he indivisible from the Godhead? Heb 1:3. What other member of the Godhead could sin?

"If I deny this, you can rant like your lunatic friend Jay Walker..."

Strawman.

I do not argue for Jay Walker.

"...Since I don't deny these essentials..."

If that is true, provide one Bible verse to support your claim that Jesus could have sinned.

"...[P]ut a sock in it and learn to debate among fellow believers (vs Jay Walk's Calvinistic cult)..."

Strawman

I do not endorse Jay Walk or John Calvin. You have been made aware of this fact repeatedly (Eph 4:14).

You claim: "I worship Jesus as YHWH, Almighty God in the flesh." link

How can almighty God in the flesh sin? Provide proof that God, the Father ever could have sinned. Provide proof that God, the Holy Spirit could have sinned.

Explain why you do not discuss God's holiness (Ex 15:11; 1Sa 2:2). Explain the character of your god (Ps 22:3; Jn 17:11).

Do you attempt to attack the character of God, the Father or God, the Holy Spirit as you do God, the Son?

Our gospel includes his holiness (Isa 35:8). You won't see God (Eph 5:5; Heb 12:14) unless you acknowledge this (Ps 24:3,4).

Nobody understands you GP