Palin defends evangelist who called Islam an ‘evil and wicked religion’...

Sarah Palin is defending evangelist Franklin Graham after he was uninvited to chair a major Pentagon event next month, in light of his inflammatory remarks against Islam.

"It’s truly a sad day when such a fine patriotic man, whose son is serving on his fourth deployment in Afghanistan to protect our freedom of speech and religion, is dis-invited from speaking at the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer service," Palin wrote in a Facebook post Friday..." Story

Was Graham right?  Do you support Palin (on this and in general)?  Will Muslims be able to keep up with all the Fatwah's?

[Pentagon prayer service] "[T]hose poor, misguided souls." (And something tells me that many of those doing the sighing (and snickering) weren't even atheists.....)

Graham was booted because of his comments on Islam. 

"We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation." ~ Barack Obama   

Do you like where our nation is headed?

"[W]e are becoming less and less uptight as a nation - in other words, more and more like Europe."

That is the decision we must make--do we want to be like western Europe (secular, equal and multicultural) or do we want to return to our roots (Judeo-Christian, free and exceptional).

Response to comment [from other]:  "Palin did not say "evil and wicked", Franklin Graham did. I do support he in this particular situation because she claims to be defending free speech, something certainly worth defending."

You're right.  Thank you, I went back and re-worded that.  And I agree with you.  Palin is defending free speech.  I think she'd do the same for leftist views, too.

[Do you support Palin in general?]  "No, negativo on that one."

I agree with you.  I'm not sure if it's for the same reasons.

See:

Pro Life Profiles: Sarah Palin

"Not nice calling Wah fat. Don't be so rude..."

Let's keep them busy with insults.  Maybe that will stop them from beheading people?

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "Free"

Yes.  Equality is a European value.  Freedom is an American value.  As Dennis Prager puts it: 

"Equality, which is the primary value of the left, is a European value, not an American value. Let me tell you that right now. I know this sounds offensive to half of my fellow Americans, because they have been Europeanized in their values. The French Revolution is not the American Revolution. The French Revolution said Liberty, Fraternity, Equality. The American Revolution said Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. We have lost touch with what our distinctive American values are. We have distinctive American values. … We have a better value system, and this is being protected by one of the two parties: the Republican party."

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  [Mocking] "She's supporting wicked and evil comments?  Come on."

"Truth speak" will not be tolerated in this administration.

[Was Graham right? Do you support Palin (on this and in general)?] "I'm not supporting anyone else's support! My two-way stretch girdle just can't handle anymore stress!"

Would you propose tea and crumpets and or raisin bread get togethers with these people?   

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Why my dear, that sounds perfectly lovely! I do love civil discourse. peace, bybee."

[Proposing tea and crumpets with Muslims]  Why, I love civil discourse, too.  Your left is so lovely by the way (Hos 3:1).  Let's send Akhmed an invite, shall we?  You'll bring the butter knives? 

[Butter knives at the tea party]  "Mine are quite sharp!"

Seem a bit dull to me? Eph 6:17. 

"[P]eace to the peaceful!"

You'll be the loveliest gal at the party.  Hope they let you keep your head on though. We'd sure miss that pretty left cheek.

"Do-gooders--if they'd only do good." ~ J. Vernon McGee

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "We both know what will stop them from doing that: it's a 13-letter word beginning with "e" and ending with "n"...

I love word games.   Evangelation?--Is that a word?  1 Cor 1:27.    Do we include Greek and Hebrew?

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "You know as well as I do that extermination is the only solution, the Final Solution!"

Never underestimate the power of the gospel.

If you saw the transformation in people who receive Christ in that region, you would feel differently. 

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  [Slogan/motto:  Try to be civil in the face of incivility. This is a test.] "Let me enlighten you oh Dim one..."

What happened to civility?--civility!...civility!--or is that Nancy Pelosi-type "civility"? Mt 23:27. She's a pro-abort, too.

I did not know this about you, pretty leftist cheek. You are a child killer? Prov 23:7. "I am not forcing my moral code on anyone!" How pious of you.

If your neighbor owned a slave, you would not force your moral code on him? If you neighbor gassed Jews, you would not force your moral code on him?

With neighbors like you, who wants to come over for your raisin cakes? Hos 3:1. I bet you serve them with those lacy, white gloves, too.

Will you fight for the right for women in the womb to make their own decisions?

"I am adamantly anti-abortion and have stated so many times on these threads...You owe me an apology for your insulting post. I am not being pious. I will not force my moral code on anyone because I do not believe in that tactic. How dare you speak to me in such a fashion."

You said:  "We will fight for the right to make our own decisions. I am not forcing my moral code on anyone!"  I understood this to mean you would not enforce your pro-life stance on anyone.  You did not.  I apologize for taking assuming you meant it is ok to murder children.  And I'm sorry that I was so harsh with you.  Please forgive me.   

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "If the gospel is so powerful, it would transform me. It hasn't."

It's not a seed problem (Lu 8:11; 1Pe 1:23).  It's not a watering problem (Isa 41:17,18; 44:3; Eze 36:25; Joh 7:38,39).  It's a soil problem (Jer 17:9). 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "So- where is MY apology, :loser:iar? Your hypocrisy is showing."

I believe I fell for that once before but you were insincere. Why would I apologize to one who works to destroy the foundations of:   the sanctity of life; marriage and the home; and trust in God's word?  Ps 11:3.  We are on opposite sides of a spiritual war (Eph 6:12).  You, being a pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist serve someone but it isn't God (Jn 10:10).

Bybee, as compromised as she may be cuddling up to false teachers (Hos 3:1) is not a pro-abort (though for a moment it sounded as if she was).  She does not proudly boast of killing children as you do.  I owed her an apology.   

[Re: pro-abortion (requiring nurses to provide the "morning after pill"against their will)]

You said:

"Religious freedom doesn't cover the "freedom" not to do your job...If the law requires that this service be offered to rape victims than you can bet it most certainly is a conflict."

"[R]eligious freedom doesn't include the freedom not to the job you agreed to do when you were hired."

"When they signed up for the job they agreed to do those things which the job requires- in this case dispensing emergency contraception to rape victims.  Don't like the terms of employment- work somewhere else...The law trumps the religious affiliation of the hospital providing services."

[Re:  homosexuality]

SD:  Are you in support of or opposed to homosexuality?

You said:

"I am pro-equality and so is the constitution of this great nation-- if you don't like it, I'm sure you can find a border..." 

[Will not answer the following:  Is homosexuality an abomination?  (1 Kin. 14:24).  Did God made us male and female?  (Mt 19:4).  Is is disgusting to God to act differently than we were created?  (Deut 22:5).]

[Re:  young earth creation/humanism] 

You said:

"I won't apologize for loving truth...Hiding behind a book won't change reality...[P]eople come to associate Christianity...with anti-science dogma and superstition." 

[Did we evolve from monkeys? (Ge 1:26, Jas 3:9)]  "[W]e share a common ancestor [with monkeys]."  

[So a monkey was not created a monkey and a man was not created a man? Man became a man over millions of years through the process of evolution?] "That is what the evidence indicates..."  

[Did God create the world in six literal days? (Ex 20:11; 31:17)]  "Nope."  

[What hermeneutic do you use to oppose a six normal day creation? (Ex. 20:11; 31:17).] "The use of mythic imagery and symbolism, particularly combined with the scientific evidence, show that Genesis is not meant to a literal, historical revelation but an allegorical presentation containing spiritual truth...I use reason and evidence..."

Anyone interested may read Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List).

But again, must every thread be about you? I am happy to apologize when you clean up your wicked heart and repent (Jer 17:9).  Do you still hold these positions? 

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "This is the second time you have used the Hosea 3:1 in reference to me. Are you saying that I am an adulterer?"

No. I am referring to your comfort with false teachers (e.g. Catholics). You aren't the only one around here seemingly with that view (Ktoyou is another).

See:

Proclamation of Intent Concerning Catholics

You said:

"Sometimes, my young friend, we must draw a bigger circle which may include the possibility that the forms and rituals of worship are valid if they enhance one's communication with God and community. Whatever reciting the prayers of the Rosary may mean to a Roman Catholic worshipper is valid to me. I recite "Morning Prayer"...It is the comfort of comfortable words, familiar words which inspire and sustain me. " Link

"Worship in the beauty of holiness may include the comfort of ritual." Link

Ktoyou said: "Being an Episcopalian, I am of the closest church, not part of the RCC other than the Orthodox Church. Despite some differences in doctrine and practice, it seems we are quite close to Catholics, in fact, some Anglicans consider themselves Anglican Catholics.

It is my intention to support Catholics, rather than abuse them as some here on TOL seem inclined towards, and often with malice. I do prefer the Catholic approach to faith over many Protestants, especially those who call themselves Christians, yet deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Also those who interject Old Testament doctrine into the Christian beyond what Catholics have included, such as replacing Sunday with the Old Testament Sabbath. I reject denominations, such as Seven day Adventist, puritan influenced religions, the Amish and Mennonites.

I see an extremism in many religions, such as new prophets like Joseph Smith and the Mormons. Then look at the exploitation churches, such as in Waco, and the polygamists in Texas, not to mention the Christian Identity movement rooted in British Israelism.

My intent is to support Catholics over these far-fetched religions. We proscribe to the same ideas about God and the nature of man, we might disagree over important issues, yet hardly would I call Catholics harlots of anti-Christ. I do proclaim that Catholics are my brothers and sisters in Christ." Link

You said: "Well said! "The churches one foundation is Jesus Christ our Lord". Link

I disagree with both of you. That is a discussion for another time (unless you'd like to add to your comments on that thread).

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "I am certainly not an apologist for Islam!"

I don't think you are.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "[D]on't split hairs...if you believe an apology is warranted then you shouldn't couple it with an attempt to justify what must be insufficiently considered or assumptive declaration."

I assume Bybee is comfortable (more than is appropriate) with false teachers based on previous discussions. But she is no pro-abort.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "I assumed your comment related to the actual subject of the thread."

Not on this thread. I can dig up that old one if that's fun for everyone.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Gee whiz! I've managed to get comfortable with you."

You should be comfortable.  I don't fault you if you are unaware of Roman Catholic false teaching.  I do fault you if you are aware of Roman Catholic false teaching and don't care that people are being misled.  But, I doubt that.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  [Do you still hold these positions?]  "I never did, liar."

I wanna talk about me
Wanna talk about I
Wanna talk about number one
Oh my me my
What I think, what I like, what I know, what I want, what I see...

Great.  You never held those positions that you wrote yourself...  Fine.  By all means, explain how you now believe differently. 

To summarize:

Are you a pro-abort?

[Re: pro-abortion (requiring nurses to provide the "morning after pill" against their will)]

You said:

"Religious freedom doesn't cover the "freedom" not to do your job...If the law requires that this service be offered to rape victims than you can bet it most certainly is a conflict." Link

"[R]eligious freedom doesn't include the freedom not to the job you agreed to do when you were hired." Link

"When they signed up for the job they agreed to do those things which the job requires- in this case dispensing emergency contraception to rape victims.  Don't like the terms of employment- work somewhere else...The law trumps the religious affiliation of the hospital providing services." Link

Are you pro-homosexual?

[Re:  homosexuality]

SD:  Are you in support of or opposed to homosexuality?

You said:

PB:  "I am pro-equality and so is the constitution of this great nation-- if you don't like it, I'm sure you can find a border..." Link

[Will not answer the following:  Is homosexuality an abomination?  (1 Kin. 14:24).  Did God made us male and female?  (Mt 19:4).  Is is disgusting to God to act differently than we were created?  (Deut 22:5).]

Are you a humanist?

[Re:  young earth creation] 

"I won't apologize for loving truth...Hiding behind a book won't change reality...[P]eople come to associate Christianity...with anti-science dogma and superstition." Link

[Did we evolve from monkeys? (Ge 1:26, Jas 3:9)]  "[W]e share a common ancestor [with monkeys]." Link

[So a monkey was not created a monkey and a man was not created a man? Man became a man over millions of years through the process of evolution?] "That is what the evidence indicates..."  Link

[Did God create the world in six literal days? (Ex 20:11; 31:17)]  "Nope." Link 

[What hermeneutic do you use to oppose a six normal day creation? (Ex. 20:11; 31:17).] "The use of mythic imagery and symbolism, particularly combined with the scientific evidence, show that Genesis is not meant to a literal, historical revelation but an allegorical presentation containing spiritual truth...I use reason and evidence..." Link

This is not a biblical worldview.

How about about miracles?  Do you believe that natural laws can be broken?  Creation was a miracle.  Did that happen?  The resurrection of Jesus was a miracle.  Do you believe that occurred?

Response to comment [from other]:  ""SD, you're the one who's practically made it their mission to continually harass PB and make constant reference to the guy, even if you're not actually addressing him directly. In a single handedly arrogant and obnoxious fashion to boot..."

"What the heck are ya talking about?" ~ Jerry Lundegaard, Fargo

"You've been answered..."
All hail PB and all other Tom-Tancredo-haters "sparked protests..." Link  ...Ad hominem.

I'm not a Tom Tancredo fan.

"...others have also pointed out your error and yet you persist."

Problem is (as is typical of the Left) you lack facts. You need these lovely little things called facts. You need them to win the arguments.

"Strikes me that this is more about you than anyone else."

I'm bored with me -- let's talk about Jesus.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  [Will not answer:   Is homosexuality an abomination?  (1 Kin. 14:24).  Did God made us male and female?  (Mt 19:4).  Is is disgusting to God to act differently than we were created?  (Deut 22:5).  How about about miracles?  Do you believe that natural laws can be broken?  Creation was a miracle.  Did that happen?  The resurrection of Jesus was a miracle.  Do you believe that occurred?] "lies you tell."

Just the facts.

See:

Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List)  

Response to comment [from other]:  [Homosexuality] "If they're not breaking any criminal law..."

Homosexuality has been a crime for 3500 years.  It should be recriminalized.  Homosexuality is:

Palin defends evangelist who called Islam an ‘evil and wicked religion’