Pentecostals Do Not Exist

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Where to begin with this ignorance and biblical distortion?"

Where to begin with you? You reject the essential Christian doctrine of Jesus' sinlessness.

Does your supposed "tongue" really matter?

"You better tuck that in. Gonna get that caught on a tripwire." ~ Lieutenant Daniel Taylor

"I do not reject the essential, biblical doctrine of the sinlessness of Jesus! Jesus was, is, always will be sinless..."

Tell us why, when, and under what circumstance he could have sinned? Did he give up his divinity at any time?

"[Y]ou are theologically shallow and reactive..."

"You have a gambling problem." ~ Homer Simpson

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "No."

No, you won't tell me? Or, no he did not give up his divine nature at any time? Ps. 16:10

If it is the former--. If it is that latter--you know that and I know that. Let's watch godrulz-random thoughts explain his position. Better yet, let's see if he can provide proof for his claim.

"No He did not give up His divinity at any time, nor would He have sinned under any circumstance."

"You're smart...You make things go." ~ Pakled, Star Trek The Next Generation

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "Phil. 2 Jesus did not cease to be Deity when He added humanity. The issue relates to His humanity, not His Deity. One's view of hamartiology (doctrine of sin), anthropology (doctrine of man), philosophical issues like being/metaphysics vs volition/morals, etc. must be considered (vs thinking tradition is truth or that you are infallible in all your thinking).  There is no circumstance in which He would sin (will not is not cannot)."

What does this mean?

SD: "Could he [jesus] have sinned?"
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

What god are you talking about? Ex 15:11; 1 Sa 2:2

"We are talking about YHWH, the same God..."

The God of the Bible never ceased being holy (Ex 15:11; 1 Sa 2:2). What god are you talking about.

“…[T]here must be added to those conditions the inner and always unforced "yes" or "no" by which the person responds to the situation...” Full text

"...[S]o we agree to disagree on a nuanced point..."

Jesus' sinlessness is essential Christian doctrine.

"You follow Thomas Aquinas..."

I reject Aquinas.

"...I will stick to Scripture."

The Bible says God is holy (Ex 15:11; 1 Sa 2:2). Jesus, the second member of the godhead, could not be corrupted (Ps. 16:10). What cult or 'ism do you belong to?

"Man's own religion usually descends to the fleshly life to which they themselves practice." ~ Jim Andrews

[No He did not give up His divinity at any time, nor would He have sinned under any circumstance.] "My view also..."

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

What part of Jesus could have sinned?

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin (Heb 4:15).

“…[T]here must be added to those conditions the inner and always unforced "yes" or "no" by which the person responds to the situation...” Full text

"The key is that He did not sin despite being tempted."

Did Jesus need to be born again? If yes, why? If no, why not?

My pastors says: If you get it wrong about Jesus, it doesn't matter what you get right. You must get the nature of Jesus right (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5).

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist (2 Jn 1:7).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Jesus did not need to be born again."

Do you believe men after Adam are born with a sin nature? Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5. Jesus is a man (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5). Why did he have to die on the cross?

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "It is wrong of you to say that ungodly practice is due to their speaking in tongues..."

So says number 11 in the 'Jesus is not God' people (non-trinitarians)' category of Satan, Inc. (TOL's heretic's list)

[The Gift of Tongues Grace Community Church]: "The evidence of Scripture and history indicate that tongues ceased in the apostolic age..." Full text: The Gift of Tongues

"...As you have never experienced the joy of speaking in tongues..."

You're a fraud.

[Speaking in tongues] "Supernatural manifestation of speech in a language not known to the speaker; the Greek term is glossolalia.

Tongues-speaking was first manifested in the early church on the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit filled 120 Christians meeting together. They burst out in praise to God in a multitude of different languages. According to Acts 2:8–11, the audience of Jerusalem could understand them, since they were communicating the gospel in the hearers’ own languages. (Verses 9–11 list about 16 nations whose representatives in Jerusalem hear the disciples speaking in their own language.) In subsequent occurrences, when a group of people were baptized in the Holy Spirit, the book of Acts indicates that they spoke in tongues (10:46; 19:6). But not all spoke in tongues when they received the Spirit (see 8:15–17), so it wasn’t the unique sign for having received the Holy Spirit. The Scripture teaches that all believers are baptized by the Spirit as they become integrated into the body of Christ, the church (1 Cor 12:13). The genuine evidence of the work of the Holy Spirit is the “fruit of the Spirit” as defined in Galatians 5:22–23.

In the days of the early church, some Christians spoke in tongues and some didn’t. According to Paul, speaking in tongues, when practiced in the church meetings, required interpretation. If no one could give an interpretation, it was to be practiced as a private devotional exercise, for one’s own edification. As a means of private worship, the practice of glossolalia is tantamount to speaking to oneself and to God (1 Cor 14:28). However, under certain conditions formulated by Paul, glossolalia may become one of the spiritual gifts to be used in ministry to the church for the common good. In this case, the main concern is that the public use of glossolalia not be reduced to praying in tongues or speaking in tongues without interpretation.

In order to establish firmly the public practice of glossolalia as a ministry to the church and to prevent its abuse as a quest for personal fulfillment, Paul put forth a set of rules designed to control its corporate exercise (1 Cor 14:27–33):

1. A limit of one, two, or three persons is set for participation in tongues per worship session.
2. The one, two, or three tongues-speakers are to make their contribution in sequence, “one at a time” or “in turn,” never simultaneously.
3. Before a worshiper decides to speak in tongues, he or she is to secure an interpreter. Should no such person be available, he or she is to refrain from speaking in tongues.
4. The person speaking in tongues should not be the one to provide the interpretation (1 Cor 12:10).
5. If there are too many believers speaking in tongues and not enough interpreters, the former should pray, instead, for the power to interpret (1 Cor 14:13).
6. When the contribution in tongues has been interpreted in intelligible language, it becomes a prophecy that needs to be evaluated by the recipients.
7. The genuineness of the experience is to be tested by those who have the ability to distinguish between spirits (1 Cor 12:10) so that they can test everything, hold fast to what is good, and abstain from every form of evil.

Persons participating in worship should be in control of their conduct at all times. They may not appeal to ecstatic states to excuse disorderly conduct or infractions to the rules of worship. Disorder and confusion are not inspired by God, since he is a God of peace and unity.

The gift of tongues is not to be desired or sought after. Only the “higher gifts” involving communication through directly intelligible speech are to be earnestly desired (1 Cor 12:31; 14:1, 5).

However, should the gift of tongues be present, it should not be stifled, provided it can be used according to the rules and for the common good." Elwell, Walter A. ; Comfort, Philip Wesley: Tyndale Bible Dictionary. Wheaton, Ill. : Tyndale House Publishers, 2001 (Tyndale Reference Library), S. 1268

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Too bad you have been discipled by MacArthur/Vernon M., not the Bible."

Too bad you're an antichrist (1 Jn 4:2-6).

See:

The Jesus test, the gospel test, and the fruit test

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [GodRulzRandomThoughts] "Are you tongue speaker too? Boy you sure are in a mess."

"When you educate without the Holy Spirit, you only get a clever devil." ~ Adrian Rogers

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Not you too oatmeal."

Tricky buggers, aren't they? Ga 5:9.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Have you seen the Church exercise this pattern as you have stated it?"

Yes. My church unfortunately.

What church is that my friend?

Calvary. They are an offshoot of the Pentecostals, unfortunately. They grew out of the southern Californian Jesus Freaks.

"Okaydokay, I don't have anything personally against Calvary.  Although seems like Bob Dylan was there and never got the notion to stay...But why are you saying Lazy is a fraud? You guys have a history together?"

I call people "friend" when they love the Lord.  Psa. 55:14; Psa. 119:63; Amos 3:3; Mal. 3:16; Matt. 17:4; Matt. 20:25–28; Matt. 23:8; Mark 10:42–45; Luke 22:32; Luke 24:13–15; John 13:34; John 15:12; John 17:11, 21–23; Acts 1:14; Acts 2:1, 42, 44–47; Acts 17:4; Acts 20:35; Rom. 1:12; Rom. 14:1–4, 10, 13–16, 18–21; Rom. 15:1–7; 1 Cor. 1:10; 1 Cor. 10:16, 17; 1 Cor. 12:13; 1 Cor. 16:19, 20; Gal. 2:9; Gal. 6:2, 10; Eph. 2:14–22; Eph. 5:2, 19, 30; Phil. 1:3, 5, 27; Phil. 2:1, 2; Col. 2:2; Col. 3:16; 1 Thess. 4:18; 1 Thess. 5:11, 14; Heb. 3:13; Heb. 10:24, 25; Heb. 13:1; Jas. 5:16; 1 Pet. 2:17; 1 Pet. 3:8, 9; 1 John 1:3, 7; 1 John 3:14; 1 John 4:7, 8, 11–13

Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan Gen. 49:6; Ex. 33:15, 16; Ex. 34:13–15 [Deut. 31:16, 17.] Ex. 34:16; Num. 25:1–8; Josh. 23:12, 13; Ezra 6:21, 22; Ezra 9:14; Psa. 6:8; Psa. 26:4, 5; Psa. 50:18; Psa. 102:7 vs. 6–8.; Prov. 28:19 Prov. 12:11. Prov. 29:24; 1 Cor. 5:11; 1 Cor. 15:33; 2 Pet. 2:18, 19; 2 Pet. 3:17

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Being human does not make one a sinner."

If men are not born with a sin nature, explain why 100% of human beings born after Adam sin.

Sin entered into the world by Adam (Ge 3:6,7; Ro 5:12). All men are conceived and born in sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5). All men are shapen in sin (Ps 51:5). Scripture concludes all men are under sin (Ga 3:22). No man is without sin (1 Ki 8:46; Ec 7:20). Christ alone was without sin (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5).

What internal part of Jesus could have sinned? "...[T]here could be no internal temptation [in Jesus] so it was always external..." Full text: Grace to You

[What Doctrines Are Essential? - Part 3 Grace to You] "...[A]ll the fundamental doctrines related to the incarnation — the Virgin Birth of Christ, His deity, His humanity, and His sinlessness — are part and parcel of who He is. To deny any of those doctrines is to attack Christ Himself.

The essential doctrines related to His work — His atoning death, His resurrection, and the reality of His miracles — are the very basis of the Gospel (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Hebrews 2:3-4). Reject them and you nullify the heart of the Christian message.

The fundamentals of the faith are so closely identified with Christ that the apostle John used the expression “the teaching of Christ” as a kind of shorthand for the set of doctrines he regarded as fundamental. To him, these doctrines represented the difference between true Christianity and false religion..." Full text: What Doctrines Are Essential? - Part 3 Grace to You

Explain how is Jesus different from other men born after Adam? 2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "This just got interesting."

Why? Did RandomThoughts answer a question?
 

Pentecostals Do Not Exist