Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
The seared conscience (1 Ti 4:2)
is the reprobate mind
(Ro 1:28). The OSAS greasy gracers
who only give mental assent to the gospel believe that they can live for the
devil and be saved (Jas 2:26). That's false (Ro 6:1-2). There is a time when God
washes his hands of an individual (Ge 6:3).
If one is concerned about his salvation (e.g. he
believes that one sin will cause him to go to hell), then he does not have the
seared conscience. If his conscience were seared, he wouldn't give a damn.
See:
Predestination and Will: How are predestination and election connected with
foreknowledge?
Does God Elect Everyone?
Related:
Lordship
Has the Law has been done away with?
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At exminister At Grosnick Marowbe
Must We Confess Every Sin?
Give Your Life to Jesus
How Many on TOL are Grace Gospel Believers?
Where is Prince Now?
Kirk Cameron: Wives Should 'Honor and Respect and Follow Their Husband's Lead'
The Myth of Unmerited Favor and Grace
The Big Switch
Did Paul teach obedience?
Where Is Muhammad Ali Now?
They'll need to make John 3:16 go away.
That I think it totally obvious that scripture teaches a genuine sacrifice for all without exception isn't a failure...
It's not a failure on God's part. A man can look
into his fishbowl and say that fish loves me.
He can look into his birdcage and say that bird
loves me. Well sure. The fish can't get out of
his bowl and the bird can't get out of his cage. Men must choose to love God--or
not. They must be tested to see if their love is genuine.
Tests of Faith, by: difficult demands (Gen.
12:1,
2), severe trials (Job
1:6–22), prosperity of the wicked (Ps.
73:1–28), hardships (2
Cor. 11:21–33). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996).
Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 612). Nashville, TN: Thomas
Nelson Publishers.
I didn't say I believed one over the other. I am simply looking at what scripture claims and assessing it. And some folk say that Christ didn't die for all and that God chose whom He would pass by. Pretty shocking...
And you're schooling a few Christians here by the way.
Think about what's actually occurring when a Calvinist tells an unbeliever to believe in Christ's resurrection from the dead so that he might be saved. The preacher doesn't believe that Christ died for all, nor rose for all...
He's preaching an impotent message. He knows that you'll be saved or you won't and it's not up to his message. Why does he preach at all? He should go get an honest job.
Throw out the doctrine and the problem vanishes.
Throw out the doctrine and he's got to start
preaching. Challenge him--preach preacher. Mock him. You call that preaching
preacher?
Wait 'til he finds out it
did matter.
His god is evil. He watches us all on his television
when he could fast forward through to the end of our lives--send respective
souls to heaven or hell already.
...Tomorrow, your baby is going to be eaten by an
alligator at Disney World. Let me go pop some more popcorn.
Part of the reason I fell away was because of Calvinism's assertions.
Their god is a monster not worthy of worship.
Our God is loving and just.
Why would he make a being in his image who never
really got a choice to choose him at all? It's sort of insulting himself, isn't
it?
How can he hold a being responsible for making a wrong
choice when he didn't get a choice?
Why ask his followers to love others when the ones they love will burn for all eternity? Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all? Ro 9:3, Mt 26:24
Only those who believe in God's only begotten Son will go to heaven, and that limits the atonement. It is a statement of identity, right? Who believes? Those whom the Father draws. John 6:44 (KJV)The Holy Spirit tries to woo men to himself. Refusing his love is an offense worthy of eternal damnation. To say he never even bothered to woo and win and individual to himself is false. Matt. 12:31, 32
SD, based on John 3:16, would you agree that God gave His only begotten Son, for those who believe in Him?
God have his only begotten Son so whosoever would believe would believe. What does world and whosoever mean to you? Jn 3:16 KJV God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to him. What does any and all mean to you? 2 Pe 3:9 God is not far from any one of us. What does us mean to you? Ac 17:27
It was more of a focus on 'hope' in 1 Peter 3:15. I'm looking at how such good news as the Calvinist interprets it might be explained. I don't see any good news in the theology - more a total focus on man's depravity that permits election/reprobation without impugning God's character.Kinda good news. Kinda good news
but you failed to read the fine
print non-elect. Depends on what the meaning of good is.
You impugn God's character less than they do
daily.
[To another member] Just acknowledge the fact that you cannot provide but one scripture that explicitly substantiates limited atonement.
These are the same people who believe that God sees
a future that doesn't exist.
Peter would deny him three times before the rooster
crowed. He had to see into the future
they say (an idea that comes from Greek paganism not
scripture [God outside of time, fate, etc.]). God could pinch and rooster to
make it crow. No rooster around? God could make a bunny rabbit crow if need be.
God has a plan. He's calling out a people for his namesake. Whosoever will--will
be his. Whosoever won't--won't be his. That's it. You're interested in Jesus?
You hear his voice? You're his. You're not interested in Jesus? Don't hear his
voice? You're not his.
Why? God already knows who will be saved and who won't. You won't change his mind. Why bother to speak with him at all? Ge 22:12
...if He so sovereignly wills to gather them into His Kingdom. It is His call . . not mine, nor theirs.
Good night son. If God wills for you to be saved, you will be saved. Otherwise, you'll burn in hell. Good luck with that.
[Why pray?] God knows, but I do not. I will not change His mind, but I pray with acceptance and faith that He is wiser than I [sic], so that if He withholds salvation from those I pray for, He has reason.
Why pray? You could be playing foosball.
It shows a serious lack of faith for anyone to pray to God with the intention of "changing God's mind."
Take it up with Abraham:
Then Abraham came near and said, “Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will you then sweep away the place and not forgive it for the fifty righteous who are in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” And the LORD said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will forgive the whole place for their sake.” Abraham answered, “Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?” And he said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” Again he spoke to him, “Suppose forty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of forty I will not do it.” Then he said, “Oh do not let the Lord be angry if I speak. Suppose thirty are found there.” He answered, “I will not do it, if I find thirty there.” He said, “Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.” Then he said, “Oh do not let the Lord be angry if I speak just once more. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.” And the LORD went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place (Ge 18:23–33).
God forbid! God knows best and knows all...
Strawman
...and none of His creatures can claim such.
Strawman
If anyone goes to hell, it is because God is just, wise, and good.
Strawman
Would you like to hear what a Christian parent says to their children? Follow me, as I follow Christ....And God bless daddy and mommy and uncle Joe and
auntie Margie...
No son, not auntie Margie. She's a headcase.
Doesn't seem like she's one of God's
elect. Move along in prayer now.
That was his plan from the foundation of the world. He made it happen. John MacArthur said Jesus couldn't have gone to the cross unless God saw it in advance.
How would you pray for someone who did not know Christ?That he come to know him.
Heartlight
~
Neil Diamond
Much better than that gay Neil Diamond song.
[Jn 1:1-3] What is your doctrine of the Triune God regarding the Incarnation?Jn 1:14
I don't hold with total depravity. I don't think it is a biblical doctrine at all, to start with. Furthermore, if it is really true that we are all born corrupt and evil through and through, then let's just go out and be as evil as we can...That makes more sense than coming to Christ and then
walking away.
For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no
longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment
and the fury of a fire about to consume the adversaries (Heb 10:26–27).
Except for the fact
that
you don't obey (2 Pe 2:1).
Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze
18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).
As a reminder God's Truth is number 39 on
Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians)
category.
That's right. This antichrist teaches that God puts on
his Father hat, then his Son hat and then his Holy Spirit hat (2
Pe 2:1).
The Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. When Jesus prayed in
Gethsemane, he must have been
talking to himself.
“Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My
will, but Yours, be done.”
Lk 22:42
Calvinists
Sonnet, the admitted atheist, has been allowed to post on ECT under the above provision, and he has violated the spirit of the rule, by evidencing he is not open to the answers given to his questions. For weeks, Christians have patiently interacted with him, only to be rebuffed and accused of not accommodating him. This is not serious inquiry; it is harassment and interference introduced to disrupt genuine Christian discussion.Your answers are insufficient (2 Pe 2:1). Root out Greek paganism from your theology and you'll be good.
”Sponge Bob --Keep Going! You're Good!"
Nang!...Your very words prove Sonnets point!