Redskins
Response to comment [from a Satanist]: "At the very least, it's a crude, distasteful nickname. It should've been changed by now and it seems inevitable that eventually it will be."
Would you demand Huck Finn
be changed or burned?
Jn 8:36,
Ac 17:26
Censoring Mark Twain's 'n-words' is
unacceptable: A new edition of
Huckleberry Finn expunges its
repeated use of 'ni66ger' for
understandable reasons, but betrays
a great anti-racist novel in the
process
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
Many American
Indians have defended the name on
talk radio.
They've got tougher, redder skin
than Graniteheart--hence the name.
Ac 17:26
The Satanist does fight real evil,
so he makes up faux evil to fight
(Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "They should rename it "the alcoholics" and leave the logo just as it is."
The red man
needs to put down that bottle (Eph
5:18).
"Native Americans and Alaskan
Natives are five times more likely
than other ethnicities in the United
States to die of alcohol-related
causes. Native Americans are
predisposed to alcoholism because of
differences in the way they
metabolize alcohol. In this article,
Dr. Cindy L. Ehlers examines studies
that test this hypothesis.
Individuals can be protected against
or predisposed to alcoholism by
variations in the enzymes that
metabolize alcohol (i.e., alcohol
dehydrogenase [ADH] and aldehyde
dehydrogenase [ALDH]). Dr. Ehlers
examines the frequency with which
these variants occur in one
particular group of Native
Americans, the Southwest California
Indians. The findings suggest that
it is unlikely that Native Americans
carry a genetic variant that
predisposes them to alcoholism.
Certain variants of ADH and ADLH do
have a protective affect against
alcoholism in some Native American
people; however, these findings do
not explain the high incidence of
alcoholism in the tribes that were
studied..." Full text:
The Genetics of Alcohol Metabolism:
Role of Dehydrogenase and Aldehyde
Dehydrogenase Variants
They've been doing
those domestic violence commercials:
I won't beat my hoe, etc.
Maybe they could do some commercials
about substance abuse.
"...No more--he was drunk?"
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Many black people defend the use of the n-bomb..."
"N-bomb"? You can't use the word ni66er?
"...but what you find if you look at that study..."
Try common sense over studies.
"I linked to is that a strong majority of Native Americans object to the term..."
Bandwagon
Leftist
native Americans (aks red skins).
Black men (aka negros, ni66ers,
colored men, African American) play
for the team. They don't have a
problem with it. Why do you? Why are
you preoccupied with skin color?
Do you believe men came from monkeys
and some monkeys are more special
than other monkeys like
Barbie?
See:
Barbie
"...[B]eing used outside of their people..."
Their people.
Those people.
We are one race--the human race. Ac
17:26.
"...which is much like black people and that aforementioned bomb."
It's not a
bomb.
It's a word and you need not be
afraid of it.
Stick and stones may break my bones
but names will never hurt me.
Niggas in Paris
~ Jay-Z ft.
Kanye West
[Use of word ni66er for clarity] "It isn't about can't, but about won't."
I won't be told which words I can use and which words I can't use by the thought police. The owner of the Redskins says he's not a racist. I believe him. He need not bow to the hysterical Left.
"[I]f our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse (General Casey)."
"I grew up around many of the sort..."
The sort those people
"No, I was brought up by good people and taught the difference between what one might do and what one should do."
Tyrants aren't
good people.
"Speaking of, I'm obliged to report
your repeated skirting of that
machinery and I'll be editing out
the offending word here."
That's a
given.
SerpentDuh made me envision that
word.
I bet you'd be tougher if you had
red skin.
"No, I'll take hard facts..."
We are one
race--the human race (Ac 17:26).
See:
Darwin’s Plantation: Evolution’s
Racist Roots
by Dr. Charles
Ware, and Ken Ham
"...over people trying to twist some subjective magic to their own purposes."
It's called freedom of speech. It's an American value (Jn 8:36).
"No, it's a study, your juvenile
response to it notwithstanding..."
Only juveniles and Leftists believe studies over common sense (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"But I didn't expect reason where none exists..."
Ad hominem
"We are the least racist nation on
the planet." ~ Dennis Prager
Indian Outlaw
~ Tim McGraw
[Redskins owner] "He's being
urged to do what someone who means
to honor and instead insults a
people..."
The name of his team insults no one who isn't easily offended. Victimhood is unattractive.
"...should do if he means what he says."
If the Redskins play in
North Korea, sure.
But the Redskins play in American.
He should keep the name because
people love the team and people love
America.
"...And you credited him with honesty."
If you believe he's dishonest,
present proof.
If you believe he's
a racist, present proof.
Do you usually run around calling
people you meet
dishonest
racists?
[... Tyrants aren't good people.] "Neither are bigots..."
Answer to previous question yes.
"...or people who are indistinguishable from them in their rhetoric."
"The Left has been good at
name-calling since Stalin." ~ Dennis
Prager
"...We are one race--the human race."
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12). It is what you do.
We are one race--the human race (Ac
17:26).
See:
Darwin’s Plantation: Evolution’s
Racist Roots
by Dr. Charles
Ware, and Ken Ham
"...That further divides into
ethnicities..."
You divide.
We unite (Ac 17:26, Ga 3:28).
"The Left will tell you, if you
don't sympathize with some minority
group, you don't know how racist you
are." ~ Dennis Prager
"I don't know who my grandfather
was; I am much more concerned to
know what his grandson will be." ~
Abraham Lincoln
"...[J]ust as we are all Americans with a political opinion but I doubt you'd say that makes you a liberal."
Liberals aren't the problem.
Leftists are (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"No one is arguing against freedom of speech."
You have argued for curtailing the
owner's speech.
"You can call your mother a foul name if you like."
I don't run around Harlem ( someone hasn't been to Harlem lately ) calling individuals ni66er. I don't run around Home Depot calling day laborers spick. I don't go home for thanksgiving dinner calling my mother hoe. I don't talk that way. Why do you keep recommended that I do?
"That's your right..."
We have freedom of speech in our country (Jn 8:36). We are free to obey and act mannerly (1 Co 13:5).
"...but when you do it names you to those looking on."
"Or, again, there's what you're free to do and what you should do."
"Only those in the wrong fear facts..."
Proof please.
"...and only those who fear them..."
Proof please.
I fear spiders--and
tyrants
--not
facts.
"...try to paint them the way you do there."
"...It also runs in kind with people comfortable reproducing that word you were so fearlessly free with behind your shield on anonymity."
My name is SerpentDove pleased to meet you. What's your name? Town Heretic? Nice (accurate, too ).
[The name of his team insults no one who isn't easily offended. ] "Not your call."
His call. He owns the team. He is free keep the name Redskins since 1. He lives in America and 2. He's not a wimp who bows to the hysterical Left.
"Unless you're a Borg like collective of Native Americans. But I'm guessing you're not."
You're
projecting again.
Leftists
play identity politics.
We do not.
We could care less if your skin is
black, brown, yellow or purple (Ac
17:26).
[Victimhood is unattractive. ] "Neither is parading ignorance as though it was a virtue."
I am able to understand the issue (2 Ti 1:7). I disagree with you.
[ If the Redskins play in North Korea, sure. But the Redskins play in American. He should keep the name because people love the team and people love America.] "So...you should only mean what you say and do what you mean if you live in North Korea."
He said what he meant and meant what he said
when he said he will not change the name.
Good for him. He won't yield to the
hysterical Left.
[If you believe he's dishonest, present proof. ] "I actually said I believe him. I was noting you said he was honest too. So both of us have reason to expect him to alter his course of action and do better."
He honestly disagrees with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). He's allowed to (Jn 8:36).
[ If you believe he's a racist, present proof. Do you usually run around calling people you meet dishonest racists?] "I haven't called him a racist, though I noted some people who are easy with the n-word and aren't from the minority slurred by it aren't easily distinguished from them."
You call those who value freedom of speech who permit themselves to use the term ni66er rather than the n-word for clarity sake racists?
[You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12). It is what you do. ] "You removed the scripture from my quote ( It is what you do."
You removed the scripture from my quote again (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12). It is what you do again and again.
"Yes. I always will when you try to wrap odious business in it."
You are always unethical and presumably always will be.
"We are one race--the human race."
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph
4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12). It is what you do.
We are one race--the human race (Ac 17:26).
"I didn't disagree."
If you don't disagree, then why do you keep removing the scripture from the statement that provides biblical support for the argument that we are one race--the human race (Ac 17:26).
"But..."
Butt monkey (Ingraham).
"...[T]here are other distinctions..."
Their people.
Those people.
What kind of distinctions? Monkey distinctions?
Do you believe that men came from monkeys and some monkeys are more
special than other monkeys?
See:
Darwin’s Plantation: Evolution’s Racist Roots
"...and I noted the inherent problem with your attempt by applying it to the body politic. You're a voter, likely, but that doesn't make you a liberal."
I don't oppose liberals. I oppose Leftists (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
[You divide. We unite (Ac 17:26, Ga 3:28). ] "In the sense that distinguishing what's said from what's done can be said to divide the honest from the less so."
I honestly disagree with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"We unite."
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph
4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12). It is what you do.
We unite (Ac 17:26, Ga 3:28).
"So does the Klan, after a fashion. Just not everyone."
If you believe we are one race--the human race (Ac 17:26)--e
pluribus unum--all that malarkey--you wear a pointy white hat at
night.
[
You have argued for curtailing the owner's speech.] "I never have.
Not once."
Good, then you'll stop bothering him about his team. Or, you'll boycott him like the media even refusing to say Redskins on television.
[I don't run around Harlem ( someone hasn't been to Harlem lately ) calling individuals ni66er.] "I left it in this time, since you're obviously dying to use it as often as you can."
Or your campaign to get me banned didn't work.
"...Must be hard being you in this part of the century."
It is.
I'm always grateful when the day is over when I can sit back, relax
and utter my favorite words ni66er ni66er ni66er that I've
been withholding all day. My kitty and I put on our matching pointy
white hats.
[ ...I don't talk that way.] "Not in public you don't. Not without this distance. Agreed."
Answer to previous question yes.
[I don't run around Harlem calling individuals ni66er...Why do you keep recommended that I do?] "I think it would be an education for you. And I think you badly need one."
I'm going with what God has to teach me (1 Co 13:5). I'm going with what God has to teach me (1 Co 13:5). We don't call men ni66ers in Harlem because we don't want to. We don't refrain from calling men ni66ers because we are required to. We willingly cease from using the term ni66er because our brother does not care for the term. We willingly cease from drinking alcohol because it may cause our brother to stumble (Ro 14:21). We stand in our freedom and give our rights away (Ga 5:1, Jn 13:34).
[We have freedom of speech in our country (Jn 8:36). We are free to obey and act mannerly (1 Co 13:5).] "If you were well mannered we'd hardly have anything to discuss at all on the point."
We stand (Jn 8:36). We don't yield to tyranny (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
[I fear spiders--and tyrants --not facts. ] "A demonstrable lie given your aversion to statistically verifiable truth."
I don't believe statistics over common sense.
"There are lies, damned lies and statistics.” ~ James Payn
[Redskins team owner, his call] "No, he doesn't get to decide who is offended either."
Leftists make a career out of being offended (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). Good luck with that.
"He only gets to determine what he does or doesn't do about it and then we can reasonably infer what that says about his claims of intending to "honor" Native Americans."
He has decided. Why are you still making an issue out of it? He honors Native Americans just fine. They have red skin. They are tough. You want him to rename his team to the Washington Homos?
[We could care less if your skin is black, brown, yellow or purple...] "We? Were you elected or are you hearing voices?"
We, Americans.
Our values are clear.
See:
The American Trinity by Dennis Prager
Were you born in our country? The doctor should have spanked you
harder when you were born.
[He said what he meant and meant what he said when he said he will not change the name.] "There is a logical disconnect by suggesting he meant what he said in light of the actual information on hand concerning Native American reaction to its use by those outside of their common heritage. And no, I don't expect you to grapple with that."
He has the information
--and
he disagrees with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
I too understand what you are saying.
I too disagree with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"I noted that people who are easy with the term and outside of the race tend to have more issues on the subject than Ebony magazine."
I noted that Leftists
cannot form a sentence without
an ad hominem attack.
[Use of term ni66er vs use term the n-word for clarity] "...Virtue is found in how we use our freedom."
I am free to use the term ni66er when we are discussing the cultural meaning of the term ni66er. You are free to tip-toe around the term term if you chose.
"As is ignorance and a willful indifference to any comfort but our own."
You believe speech codes should be enforced (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:20). We do not (Jn 8:36).
[I don't believe statistics over common sense.] "Right, which is why a long, long time ago you'd have sided with the sun orbiting the earth crowd."
Christians were never part of
the flat earth crowd.
"The earth is round
Consider Isaiah 40:22 which mentions the “circle of the earth.” This
description is certainly fitting—particularly when the earth is
viewed from space; the earth always appears as a circle, since it is
round.
Curiously, many astronomy textbooks credit Pythagoras (c. 570–500
B.C.) with being the first person to assert that the earth is round.
However, Isaiah is generally acknowledged to have been written in
the 700s B.C.
The secular astronomers before the time of Pythagoras must have
thought the Bible was wrong about its teaching of a round earth, yet
the Bible was exactly right.
The earth floats in space
A very interesting verse to consider is Job 26:7 which states that
God “hangs the earth on nothing.” This verse expresses (in a poetic
way) the fact that the earth is unsupported by any other
object—something quite unnatural for ancient writers to imagine.
Indeed, the earth does float in space. We now have pictures of the
earth taken from space that show it floating in the cosmic void..."
Full text:
Taking Back Astronomy
"And you're just as factually wrong now."
Proof please.
["There are lies, damned lies and statistics.” ~ James Payn] "Rather, there are liars who misuse statistics, but never fool statisticians."
You believe studies over common sense. I believe common sense over
studies.
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"
~ Chico Marx, Duck Soup
"Leftists make a career out of being offended."
You removed the scripture from my
quote (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1,
Isa 30:12). It is what you do.
Leftists
make a career out of being offended
(Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"Wouldn't know about that..."
Lie of the day (Ingraham). Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10
"I do know that dishonest people have a habit of repeating specious charges."
Proof please.
[Owner of Redskins had decided. Is keeping name. Why are you still making an issue out of it?] "Actually I was and am far less concerned by his demonstrable hypocrisy..."
What person doing right hasn't been
called
a hypocrite? You're projecting again
(Eph 4:14).
You have many concerns (Lk 10:41).
Why don't you fight real evil rather
than being so preoccupied with being
offended all of the time?
Do the Braves offend you, too?
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia - The Brady Bunch
"...[T]han I am in communicating a simple, true response to it."
You've communicated. Others understand you and disagree with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"If you find yourself doing a thing contrary to your intent..."
He's doing nothing contrary to his intent. He likes Native Americans just fine. If he were a bigot or wore a white pointy hat at home when you cannot see him, he probably would not have purchased a team named the Redskins.
"...[Y]ou should stop doing that."
He has no
problem with Native Americans,
Asians, Martians. He does not pour
private racists thoughts
into the benign term.
[He honors Native Americans just fine.] "Not according to them. No, he doesn't."
Are you their chief?
Plenty of Native Americans have no
problem with a ball team named after
them that honors their courage.
If they hated Indians, why would
they name their team after them?
[You want him to rename his team to the Washington Homos? ] "Because that's the option is it..."
Men choose names for their team to
describe their own courage or
abilities. They respected Indians
and therefore named their team after
them.
Who would name their team the St.
Louis Sodomites, the Louisville
Lemons or the Detroit Dandies?
"I'd prefer..."
He prefers something else --and he's got money to buy a ball team.
"...him to be honest and consistent, whatever he believes. He's not being one of those."
He's honest. He's consistent. He honestly is able to understand you and he consistently disagrees with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). He's allowed to. This is American--land of the free and the home of the brave.
"Congrats on going this far into this post without dropping the n-bomb though."
It's hard because I live to say ni66er, ni66er, ni66er each day. It's my reason for getting out of bed each day.
[Were you born in our country?] "Because?"
Because the doctor must have dropped you on your head (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You do not share our values (Jn 8:36). You need your own little island to rule and reign filled with all of your speech codes. We just want you happy.
"He has the information --and he
disagrees with you"
You removed
the scripture from my quote (Eph
4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12).
It is what you do.
He has the information
--and
he disagrees with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn
10:10).
"He disagrees with having to stand behind his own words..."
He is standing behind his own words. He has the spirit of the red man and the bear.
"[H]e can't frame it in an argument any more than you can..."
I'm not a lawyer
who makes arguments for a living
like you (1 Co 1:27).
[I am free to use the term ni66er when we are discussing the cultural meaning of the term ni66er.] "You're free to be as needlessly ill mannered and offensive as you want to be."
I am neither ill-mannered nor offensive when I use a term to clarify what is being discussed. You're the chief and the self-appointed black leader of our community. You're a busy guy (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"You believe speech codes should be enforced . We do not."
You removed
the scripture from my quote (Eph
4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12).
It is what you do.
You believe speech codes should be
enforced (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:20).
We do not (Jn 8:36).
"I believe that rules, like laws, obligate us to behave within their constraints if we take the value associated with them and value personal honor. If you don't, just keep hammering at that envelope. Completely up to you."
Completely up to God. Laws come from God not man. We are free to speak because God said so (Jn 8:36).
"I believe the verifiable fact over
desire, to be sure."
We all have the same facts. Our interpretation of those facts makes for a worldview.
"That's why I've provided links to studies..."
Study away. Maybe one day God will have something to teach you (1 Co 1:25).
"...supporting my position..."
It's all about you (Ps. 73:6).
"...and why you spend most of your time, apparently, on smilies..."
Ac 20:20
"Mr. Snyder said he meant to honor Native Americans. A serious look at that by...I believe it was Stanford (it's linked a couple of times in previous posts) indicated that the opposite of his intention is actually occurring..."
By Leftists having a pity party (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). Conservatives cope just fine (Jn 8:36)."So far as I know that hasn't impacted his decision to continue using the name."
If he changes his mind,
you'll hear about it. He's got the money. He's got the team.
"I've got the teeth. I've got the eyes. Look out that window, I've
got the car. I'm the lead singer. I'm the man."
~ Charlie Bodell, Peggy Sue Got Married
"He's absolutely entitled to do that..."
Would he have free speech on your little island?
"...but he can't make the honor claim and hold that course."
Supposedly being offended by the
name calling of certain people groups does not make you honorable
(Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). It makes you a Leftist.
It makes you hysterical.
It does not make you honorable (Jn 8:36).
If you'd like to be seen as honorable, fight real evil.
"Or, he can, but if he does (and to the extent he already has) it's
hypocritical."
You're projecting again (Eph 4:14).
"Noting Native Americans are offended..."
The drunk Leftist Native Americans agree with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). The sober conservative Native Americans wonder why you are pretending to feel their pain (Jn 8:36). They think you have the spirit of the dodo bird.
"...has nothing to do with my personal response to the term, which I noted was historically favorable."
Leftists of old agree with you (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).
"I stated as much in this very thread..."
"Until I became aware of the protests and claims..."
"I hadn't given it real thought or consideration..."
"My impression of the Washington team was favorable and likewise their usage."
"To the rest of your point, if you don't consider this worthy of the time I spend on it you shouldn't be here either."
The time is worth it (Eccl. 10:12–14).
[You've communicated. Others understand you and disagree with you. ] "Of course that's true. What is also true is that they haven't responded to my particular objection. Neither have you."
The team owner has responded to his
critics.
He has responded to their objections.
He understands their position
and he disagrees with them.
I also understand your position
and disagree with it.
[The n-word vs ni66er] "You'd be having to argue that because you mean to honor people you will continue to use a term that insults them when you use it."
I use terms which clarify what is being discussed.
"That's an irrational position on its face."
Does the n-word replace the term ni66er? Why do say the n-word? You are referring to the n-term ni66er.
"It's not a benign term."
It's not. We all know you are referring to the term ni66er.
"One of the earliest references to it was in a law suit raised by a white man running for office who protested the application of the offensive term as an attempt to sabotage his character in the community."
"Obviously, the issue for the Left isn't aging white males; it is conservatives, whether they are young or old, white or nonwhite, male or female. If female aborigines were conservative, the Left would have a problem with female aborigines." ~ Dennis Prager
[Lawyers and argumentation] "You don't appear to be able to make one for any particular reason."
1 Co 1:27
"No one is confused by my using n-bomb or n-word instead of the racist's chosen epithet."
No one is confused by your term--they wonder if you are a vertebrate or an invertebrate--but they are not confused by your cowardly term.
"So using it when you don't have to speaks to something in you that needs consideration."
"...[G]iven your ease with the n-word..."
I use the term ni66er not the n-word
when discussing the word.
Recommended reading:
Darwin’s Plantation: Evolution’s Racist Roots
by Dr. Charles Ware, and Ken Ham
"I'm sorry for you."
Ad hominem
"Quote:
[Does the n-word replace the term ni66er? Why do say the n-word? You are referring to the n-term ni66er. ]
[Why do say the n-word? You are referring to the
n-term ni66er.
]
[It's not.
We all know you are referring to the term ni66er.
]
[
It's hard
because I live to say ni66er,
ni66er, ni66er each day. It's my
reason for getting out of bed each
day.]
[I am free to use the term ni66er when we are discussing the
cultural meaning of the term ni66er.]
[It is.
I'm always grateful when the day is over when I can sit back, relax
and utter my favorite words ni66er ni66er ni66er that I've
been withholding all day. My kitty and I put on our matching pointy
white hats.]
And so on..."
"N-bomb..." ~ Town Heretic
"N-word..." ~ Town Heretic
Good boy!
"N-bomb" ~ Town Heretic
Good boy!
"N-word..." ~ Town Heretic
Good boy!
"N-bomb..." ~ Town Heretic
Good boy!
[Ni66er] "I left it in this time..." ~ Town Heretic
Bad dog!
"Just thought I'd distill your post to its essence, substantively speaking."
Classy.
[Classy, my posts dung] "Well if there's one thing you should know about..."
Ad hominem
We judge men by the content of their character not the color of their skin. If you have your own thought crimes, they are yours not ours.
Google Says It 'Messed Up' Over Race Slur Ac 17:26
US Labor Dept throws football party, bans Redskins jerseys
"There is a
totalitarian streak to the Left."
~ Dennis Prayer Eccl
10:2, Jn 10:10
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Now now SD--we must be sensitive to the hurt feelings of 278 Native Americans who are offended by a term used by their own people. Link"
It's a great name.
Ac 17:26
Indian Outlaw ~ Tim McGraw
Response to comment [from an agnostic]: "If Native Americans are offended by it and voice that opinion, then it should be removed."
If Leftist Native Americans are
offended...
Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10
Apache (Jump On It) ~ Sugar Hill Gang
NAACP leader uses F-word
to apologize for using T-word
after N-word
meeting Ac 17:26
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[H]e may be able to defend his behavior as being culturally appropriate for him."
When I say
the T word, you'll know I mean Titus.
" Of course! He was referring to her Andronicus!"
He said he's really F'ing word sorry.
What This Supreme Court Ruling Means for the Washington Redskins, Other Brands Deemed ‘Offensive’