Response to comment [from a Catholic]: “If we are saved by grace then everyone would be saved…”
See:
Is universalism / universal salvation Biblical?
“Do you think everyone is saved?”
Few are saved (Mt 7:14).
“So why are some saved and others not?”
Denial (Tit 1:16), indifference (Lk 17:26–30), rebellion (De 9:23; Ps 106:24,25), etc.
“So the difference is in what we do?”
What you can “do” is believe.
After condition comes contrition (Rogers). Mt 5:3, Ro 6:19.
Recommended Audio:
The Mighty Meek
by Adrian Rogers
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: “[H]ow do you reconcile your belief that we are not saved by works in any sense with your belief that we are saved through the preaching of the Gospel by men through grace?
Argument by repetition (Argument ad nauseam or ad infinitum)
Why? What do you believe this would prove?
See:
Catholic Traditions http://pro-gospel.org/x2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=1
Do you think our belief will be tested like Abraham's was?
You will appear at the Great White Throne Judgment because you insisted on being judged by your works (Re 20:11). The verdict is in--your works are insufficient to save you (Psa. 49:7, 8; Psa. 127:1, 2; Eccl. 1:14; Isa. 43:26; Isa. 57:12; Isa. 64:6; Ezek. 7:19; Ezek. 33:12–19; Dan. 9:18; Matt. 5:20; Luke 17:7–10; Luke 18:9–14; Acts 13:39; Rom. 3:20–31; Rom. 4:1–8 vs. 9–22.; Rom. 8:3; Rom. 9:16, 31, 32; Rom. 11:6; 1 Cor. 13:1–3; Gal. 2:16, 19, 21; Gal. 3:10–12, 21 vs. 1–29.; Gal. 4:9–11; Gal. 5:2, 4, 6, 18; Gal. 6:15; Eph. 2:8, 9; Phil. 3:3–9; Col. 2:20–23; 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit. 3:4, 5; Heb. 4:3–10; Heb. 6:1, 2; Heb. 9:1–14; Jas. 2:10, 11).
The believer will appear at the Bema seat to receive a reward (Rom. 14:10). He did not trust in his own work. He trusted in Christ’s work on the cross (Re 1:15).
Response to comment [from a Christian]: “Actually: that is referring to the faith of those that found it in these latter days.”
Do you think some will be upset when they learn that their loved ones will not go to heaven? Re 7:17.
[Wiping away tears] “I do not believe that the tears in their eyes are for their loved ones…”
Hope you’re right (2 Cor 5:11).
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [Argument by repetition (Argument ad nauseam or ad infinitum)] “[I]t's a question which is pertinent and which you never answered…”
See:
Works vs. Faith http://vananne.com/culttoasters/Works%20vs%20Faith.htm
What to “do” http://vananne.com/culttoasters/What%20to%20Do.htm
Response to comment [from a Christian]: [To chrysostom] “Do you believe you are saved by works?”
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: “The Scriptures were given by God through the Catholic Church.”
The scriptures were given by God
long before the Roman Catholic Church (2
Ti 3:16).
They will be around long after the Roman Catholic Church (Re
9:2).
They are full and sufficient (Lu 16:29,31), an unerring guide (Pr
6:23;
2 Pe 1:19),profitable
for doctrine and practice (2
Ti 3:16,17).
Everything should be tried by the word of God (Isa
8:20;
Ac 17:11)
not the Roman Catholic Church.
If you’d like to be relevant in God’s kingdom, you’ll obey God’s
word (Mt
7:24;
Lu 11:28;
Jas 1:22).
Response to comment
[from a Catholic]: "According to the NT, works enabled by God
are grace (Rom. 2:6-7; 1 Cor. 15:10; Phil. 2:12-13).
The gospel is not one grace not works (Eph 3:2, Ac 14:3; 20:24, 20:32). You attempt to pervert it (Gal. 1:7).
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [Meeting Jesus face to face] Nu 32:23 "[H]ow do you reconcile your belief that we are saved through the preaching of the Gospel with your belief that we are not saved by works in any sense?"
[Guilty] "Stumbling block"
"There can be no mercy without truth." ~ Adrian Rogers Ps 85:10
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "So how does grace save?"
23,906 post
later.
You get it.
You are here to deceive.
See:
Works vs. Faith
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "[W]e are saved through the preaching of the Gospel by men, which happens through the Holy Spirit. Romans 10..."
Your
church is not Israel.
Replacement theology (Roman Catholic teaching) is false. We are
saved by grace through faith (Eph
2:8-9).
"God’s Present Purpose with Israel, Chapter 10
Present State of Israel—Lost, Chapter, 10:1–4
(Reason: Christ is the end of the law for righteousness.)
Present Standing of Israel—Same as Gentiles, Chapter 10:5–12
(“For there is no difference”)
Present Salvation for Both Jew and Gentile—Hear and Believe the
Gospel, Chapter 10:13–21"
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed.
Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 4:643
See:
What is replacement theology / supersessionism? How does Israel
fit into God's plan for the church age? Has the church replaced
Israel?
"[A]re we created in Christ Jesus for something less than grace itself?"
You have not been
born again (Jn 3:7). You preach a false gospel of works
(Gal. 1:7). That is why Christians reject your message.
They are set apart by God to share the truth with others (Phil.
1:7, 16, 27). Religions is work-based.
Christianity is faith-based.
Your sin remains, Denver; because you have not believed.
Bad doggie! :( (Lev. 4:3; Ezra 9:6, 13, 15) http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2617294&posted=1#post2617294
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "[C]an't you discuss your beliefs without quoting the bible?"
Spoken like a true Catholic (2 Co 4:3, 4).
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Of course, because we know that merely quoting the Bible as a way of trying to prop up one's personal theological opinions (as you like to do)..."
Ad hominem. Truth is truth independent from me. You do not obey the gospel (Eph 3:2, 2 Thess. 1:8).
"[N]ot by faith alone..."
We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). You will not steal God's glory (Ho 4:7).
"Once again, you publically demonstrate that you have absolutely no idea what "ad hominem" even means..."
Ad hominem.
[You do not obey the gospel of grace.] "I do not obey serpent's personal notion of grace."
Ad hominem. Truth is truth independent from me.
You removed the scripture. I'll return it to the
conversation (Eph
3:2,
2 Thess. 1:8).
That is what you Catholics do, isn't it?
Jn 10:10.
"Every verse of the Bible means exactly what the
author intended it to mean..." Full text:
How to Interpret the Bible by Darrell Ferguson
See:
Hermeneutics
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Go ahead and demonstrate where the words "faith alone" appear in these verses..."
Does the word "trinity" appear in the Bible? Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1 Co 12:3-6; 2 Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5. You are not interested in truth. You are a grace-perverter (Gal. 1:6–8), bound by traditions (Mt 15:9), deceitful in all your ways (Eph. 4:14).
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Why doesn't grace save everyone?"
Hope in the Lord (1 Pet. 1:13).
"Do you consider that an answer to the question?"
Where is your hope? In your dead works? Eccl. 12:14.
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "In Jesus."
Which Jesus?
See:
Which Jesus Will You Trust?
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "So grace only works if you don't do any works?"
So we are saved by grace through faith not of works (Eph 2:8-9). :think:
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Why doesn't grace save everyone?"
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "So if you reject the gospel you are not saved why can't grace save you if you reject the Bible?"
What? huh? 2 Ti 3:7.
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "…[I]t is because of what they do or don't do…”
Doo doo.
Response to comment [from a Christian]: “Another way to put it is that everyone is unique and irreplaceable. Thank God for our differences.”
That too.