Suicider? We Don't Have A Word Yet

Response to comment [from other]:  "Do the bullies have no culpability in driving someone over the edge to do such?"

A victim mentality is dangerous. 

"The Bible does not directly condemn suicide but rather treats it as an indication of moral failure, often intensified by guilt or great personal loss." 
Elwell, W. A., & Comfort, P. W. (2001). Tyndale Bible dictionary. Tyndale reference library (1227). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them [Rev. 9:6].

"And in those days shall the men seek death, and shall not find it; and they shall earnestly desire to die, and death fleeth from them.
Satan is given the key to this long shaft (which evidently is what is called sheol in the Old Testament and hell [hades] in the New Testament). The shaft leads to the abyss where the spirits of the dead of the ages past have gone. This is where the Lord Jesus went to announce the redemption that He had wrought on the cross. Satan does not want his crowd to die, and it is only his crowd that are attacked by these locusts. Men during this period try to commit suicide and are unable to do it—this reveals something of the awfulness of that day. Satan wants them here because there is a battle between light and darkness that is being waged. There are others who think that maybe it is God who will not let these men die because sinful man must face the consequences of his rebellion—there is no escape. It is not a laughing matter to reject Jesus Christ; it is not a simple thing to ignore Him. People say there are so many important things in this life—and I am willing to grant that many things take second, third, and fourth place—but the most important thing is your decision concerning Jesus Christ."
McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:968). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"Suicide is still a serious sin against God. According to the Bible, suicide is murder; it is always wrong..." full text:  What is the Christian view of suicide? What does the Bible say about suicide?  http://www.gotquestions.org/suicide-Bible-Christian.html

We do not barge into the presence of God uninvited (Heb 10:31). 

Response to comment [from other]:  "We're not talking about all suicide cases SD, just the ones where abuse and bullying have drove the victim to such a desperate course. Bringing Revelation into this is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand if you'd actually read the OP..."

It's always appropriate to remind people to humble themselves before the Lord.  1460 posts later you have not repented, though you've had many Christians present the gospel of grace to you.  The one who began this thread has posted 25,117 times (Ezek. 18:1–30; Ezek. 33:1–19; Matt. 10:11–15 Luke 9:5; 10:10–15. Matt. 11:20–24; Matt. 12:41, 42 Luke 11:31, 32. Matt. 23:31–35 Luke 11:49–51. Matt. 25:14–30 Luke 19:12–27. Mark 6:11; Luke 13:6–9; Luke 21:1–4; John 3:18, 19; John 12:48; John 15:22, 24; Acts 17:30, 31; Rom. 12:3, 6–8; Eph. 4:7; 1 Tim. 6:20).

With that said, I make the point that victim mentalities do not lead to good things.  It is wrong to bully others who have emotional problems.  Man was not created to have mental illness or to treat others unkindly (Ps 16:3; Ro 12:10; 2Co 7:13-15; 1Th 2:8).  These are realities which came about the fall of mankind (Gen. 3:1, 2 [Gen. 2:16.] Gen. 3:3 [Gen. 2:17.] Gen. 3:4–19; Job 31:33; Eccl. 7:29; Isa. 43:27; Hos. 6:7; Rom. 5:12, 14, 18 vs. 19,21.; 1 Cor. 15:21, 22; 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Tim. 2:14). 

All that we need for living the Christian life is found in the Bible.  People may wish to avail themselves of medication; but in general, it does not get to the root of an individual's problem.  Once a person comes off the antidepressant, problems remain (Ps 37:4).  Man needs a savior (Ge 3:15).  God will meet all of our needs (Phil 4:19).  He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds (Psalm 147:3).  It came to pass, it did not come to stay.

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Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "'Bible quotes':  Heavy reliance on bible quotes is a sign of a feeble intellect..."

Spoken like a true Catholic. :olinger:

Response to comment [from other]:  "Oh, grow up."

Darkness is offended by the light.  

Response to comment [from a "Christian:]:  "...[H]ow many did Jesus and the apostles kill in self defense?"

Which Jesus?  The Jesus of your imagination or the Jesus of the Bible?"  Are you arguing that Jesus claims we should not defend ourselves?  (Lk 22:36). 

That's great advice.  Satan will be so happy.  Let's just all lay down and die (Eph 6:12).

[Darkness is offended by the light.] "Your posts are just irritating SD."

I would expect my posts to be irritating to you (Amos 3:3). 

"You don't seem able to actually have a proper conversation on any given topic without being pious..."

Don't confuse me with the modern-day Pharisees (e.g. Catholics).  I am a sinner saved by the grace of God (Eph 2:8).  I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ (Ro 1:16).

"...and preachy or even capable of debating the actual topic at hand."

The origin of suicide is not a valid contribution?  Offering that scripture gives us all we need to live the Christian life is not a valid point?  Suggesting that victimhood leads to  weakness is not a valid point?  Condemning the mistreatment of others and the overuse of medications is not a valid point? 

Maybe you only like people agreeing with you.  You are on the left.  I am on the right.  You are probably a fine person, but being on the left--you lack wisdom.  I would not dare to say that.  God would (Eccl 10:2).  Lower your expectations and don't expect us to agree.

Response to comment [from other]:  "Who are you to judge whether I believe or not?"

I respond to what you write.  Only God knows the heart (Ps 139:23).  We are fruit inspectors (Mt 7:16).  We are to open our mouths and judge rightly (Prov 31:9).

Respond to comment [from other]:  "I have no problem with [Bible] verses being used."

There's hope for you yet.

"As long as there aren't 712 and [they] are relevant."

I'm sure you only skim the Bible verses.  I bet your Bible at home has enough dust on it to write "Damnation" (Rogers). 

"This [Bible verse] ...wasn't [relevant]."

Do you mean Amos 3:3?  You expect people with different values to agree?  Amos 3:3 is an important Bible verses to think about when you are in the midst of people who hate God.

Can two walk together, except they be agreed? [Amos 3:3].
"Can two walk together? Yes, but they cannot go together unless they are in agreement. I watched a young couple the other day who hadn’t been married long. They were walking down the street arm in arm. All of a sudden she turned around, stamped her little foot, and started walking back toward their home—but he kept on going. They weren’t walking together any more because there had been some disagreement. Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Here is a cause and an effect. The cause: there must be agreement if you are to walk together with God. The effect: you will walk with Him when you are in agreement. This doesn’t mean that God will come over and agree with you. You and I will have to go over to His side and agree with Him. As someone has said, God rides triumphantly in His own chariot. And if you don’t want to get under the wheels of that chariot, you had better get aboard and ride. After all, God is carrying through His purpose in the world.
It was very interesting to me to visit England and see Windsor Castle and Hampton Court. I think of Henry VI, Henry VIII, and Richard II, who were some of the boys who made the Tower of London famous because they sent many there who lost their heads. They had their way for a while—especially Henry VIII, but no one today is paying much attention to what Henry VIII thought or to what he did. My friend, God is running His universe His way and is not asking advice from little man. If you and I are going to walk with God, we will have to go His way. Amos has stated a great principle in his first question: “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?'"
McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (3:695). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"Modern day Pharisees are Catholics?"

Can't you tell?  The super-pious are the most difficult people to reach.  People who come from work-based faiths believe that their stinky righteousness will get them to a good place.  It won't (Isa 64:6). 

Granite said that he grew up in a religious home.  Whether Jewish or Catholic:  "When you educate without the Holy Spirit, you only get a clever devil (Adrienne Rogers)."

Judaism and Catholicism are work-based.  Christianity is faith based (Eph 2:8).

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "Uneducated fundies..."

You make my point.:olinger:

"You do not need a faith plus works, you need a faith that works." ~ Jim Andrews 

Suicider? We Don't Have A Word Yet