The Bible & the Creation/Evolution Debate
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "expanse or firmament". If the
separation of the waters is literal, and the separator can be described as a
"vault", I don't think its describing how we understand the sky to be today.
"Separated by this firmament, or atmosphere, the two
bodies of water henceforth were ready for their essential functions in
sustaining future life on the earth. The actual process of separation was
possibly implemented by converting a portion of the liquid water into the vapor
state, perhaps through application of divine heat energy. The reactions so
induced on the watery suspension also released the other gaseous components of
the atmosphere, which became the “firmament” holding up the lighter water vapor
above.
The “waters above the firmament” thus probably constituted a vast blanket of
water vapor above the troposphere and possibly above the stratosphere as well,
in the high-temperature region now known as the ionosphere, and extending far
into space. They could not have been the clouds of water droplets which now
float in the atmosphere, because the Scripture says they were “above the
firmament.” Furthermore, there was no “rain upon the earth” in those days
(Genesis 2:5), nor any “bow in the cloud” (Genesis 9:13), both of which must
have been present if these upper waters represented merely the regime of clouds
which functions in the present hydrologic economy.
The concept of an antediluvian water canopy over the earth has appeared in many
writings, both ancient and modern. A number of writers have visualized it as a
system of rings like those of the planet Saturn, composed possibly of ice
particles orbiting the earth. Others have described it as an orbiting “shell” of
ice or liquid water. Some have thought of it merely as dense banks of clouds
surrounding the earth, possibly analogous to the cloud cover around the planet
Venus (the latter, however, is now believed to be composed of carbon dioxide
rather than water).
A vapor canopy seems more likely, however, both because of the inferred manner
of its formation and because it would have to be transparent in order for the
heavenly bodies to “give light upon the earth” and to “be for signs, and for
seasons, and for days, and years” (Genesis 1:14, 15). Water vapor, even in vast
amounts, is invisible, whereas clouds, fog, and so forth, are composed of minute
droplets of liquid water and are therefore opaque.
Furthermore, a vapor canopy could be more easily maintained aloft and would
serve much more effectively as a marvelous sustainer of vigorous life conditions
on the earth. It can be shown that such a canopy would accomplish the following
services, for example:
(1) Since water vapor has the ability both to transmit incoming solar radiation
and to retain and disperse much of the radiation reflected from the earth’s
surface, it would serve as a global greenhouse, maintaining an essentially
uniformly pleasant warm temperature all over the world.
(2) With nearly uniform temperatures, great air-mass movements would be
inhibited and windstorms would be unknown.
(3) With no global air circulation, the hydrologic cycle of the present world
could not be implemented and there could be no rain, except directly over the
bodies of water from which it might have evaporated.
(4) With no global air circulation, and therefore no turbulence or dust
particles transported to the upper atmosphere, the water vapor in the canopy
would have been stable and not precipitate itself.
(5) The planet would have been maintained not only at uniform temperatures but
also at comfortable uniform humidities by means of daily local evaporation and
condensation (like dew, or ground fog) in each day-night cycle.
(6) The combination of warm temperature and adequate moisture everywhere would
be conducive later to extensive stands of lush vegetation all over the world,
with no barren deserts or ice caps.
(7) A vapor canopy would also be highly effective in filtering out ultraviolet
radiations, cosmic rays, and other destructive energies from outer space. These
are known to be the source of both somatic and genetic mutations, which decrease
the viability of the individual and the species, respectively. Thus the canopy
would contribute effectively to human and animal health and longevity.
(8) Some have objected to the idea of a heavy vapor canopy because of the great
increase in atmospheric pressure which it would cause at the earth’s surface.
Rather than being a problem, however, this effect would contribute still further
to health and longevity. Modern biomedical research is increasingly proving that
such “hyperbaric” pressures are very effective in combating disease and in
promoting good health generally. There should be no problem in organisms living
under high external pressures, provided their internal pressures had time to
adjust correspondingly.
(9) Later, when needed, these upper waters would provide the reservoir from
which God would send the great Flood, to save the godly remnant from the
hopelessly corrupt population of that day (the content of water vapor in the
present atmosphere, if all precipitated, would cover the earth only to a depth
of about one inch).
Although the waters above the firmament were condensed and precipitated in the
Flood, they will apparently be restored in the millennial earth and in the new
earth which God will create. Psalm 148:4, 6 speaks of the “waters that be above
the heavens” which, like the stars, will be established “for ever and ever.”"
Morris, H. M. (1976). The Genesis record : A scientific and devotional
commentary on the book of beginnings. Includes indexes. (59). Grand Rapids, MI:
Baker Books.
Response to comment [from an atheist]: "Seems like a lot of bending over backwards to try and fit everything."
It is really a battle over religions--man's view over God's view. The same problem took place in the Garden of Eden.
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "The main point of the story (and what would have stood out to the original hearers) isn't to tell how creation happened because there are extremely few details, but instead how God interacts with creation, what God's relationship to man is."
Genesis is gives an account of origins and reveals God's interaction with man (the story of the Flood speaks of sin, judgment, redemption, new life). We do not have to spiritualize the book. Every time we depart from God's revealed word, we trust in men not God. There are quite a few details jam-packed into Genesis. It is an extraordinary book. Is God the best at brevity or what?
Response to comment [from an atheist]: "The problem is that 24 comes after 20, wherein we have avian species, which did not precede terrestrial organisms according to our current understanding of evolution."
Response to comment [from other]: "Why is the canopy theory so much more risible than the hydroplate theory?"
"[T]he flood was initiated by God as a consequence of man’s sin. We may never understand the precise event that God used (or allowed) to physically trigger the flood; however, once started, other events must have occurred whose consequences, or “wreckage,” we can still see. Examples include earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, rapid burial and preservation of trillions of organisms as fossils in layered rocks; the crumpling of major mountains; fossils of sea creatures on every major mountain range; the jigsaw fit of the continents; the formation of strange features on the ocean floor; the gouging out of canyons; comets, asteroids, and meteorites; and hundreds of other features. One can place many of these consequences in a cause-and-effect sequence that (1) conforms to scientific laws, (2) best explains details of these observations, and (3) provides a greater understanding of this global cataclysm. That is the purpose of the hydroplate theory..." Full text: Hydroplate Theory
"While Genesis 1:20 (KJV) does say that birds fly in
the firmament, suggesting the earth’s atmosphere, it also says that the sun,
moon and stars reside there (Genesis 1:14-17), suggesting the entire sky from
the earth’s surface outward, where birds fly and celestial objects reside. The
Hebrew word alternatively translated “firmament” in some translations and
“expanse” in others is raqiya. It appears nine times throughout the first
chapter of Genesis (in verses 6-8, 14-18 and 20), and eight more times
throughout the rest of the Old Testament (in Psalms, Ezekiel and Daniel).
According to Genesis, before there was air or land or any form of life, the
earth was a formless mass of primordial water. On the second day of creation God
created the raqiya, placing it in the midst of the water, thereby separating it
into two parts: “the waters above the firmament [raqiya]” and the waters below
it. The waters below the raqiya He named “sea” (yam in Hebrew) and the raqiya
itself He named “heaven,” “air” or “sky” depending on your translation of the
Hebrew word “shamayim”. But Genesis does not provide a name for the waters above
the raqiya, nor is there any water above our atmosphere today, assuming that
raqiya does mean atmosphere.
Advocates of the canopy theory once speculated that the collapse of such a vapor
canopy might have provided the water for the heavy rains which inundated the
earth during Noah’s flood..." Full text: What
is the Canopy Theory?
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[N]umerous layers that are distinct from one another in composition."
" Today, sediments are usually deposited in and by
rivers—along a narrow line. However, individual sedimentary rock layers are
spread over large geographical areas, not along narrow, streamlike paths.
Liquefaction during the flood acted on all sediments and sorted them over wide
areas in weeks or months.
4. Sedimentary layers are usually thin, sharply defined, parallel, and
horizontal. They are often stacked vertically for thousands of feet. If layers
had been laid down thousands of years apart, surface erosion would have
destroyed this parallelism. Liquefaction, especially liquefaction lenses,
explain these sharp boundaries.
5. Sometimes adjacent, parallel layers contain such different fossils that
evolutionists conclude that those layers were deposited millions of years apart,
but the lack of erosion shows that the layers were deposited rapidly.
Liquefaction resolves this paradox.
6. Many communities around the world get their water from deep, permeable,
water-filled, sedimentary layers called aquifers. When water drains from an
aquifer, the layer collapses, unable to support the overlying rock layers. A
collapsed aquifer cannot be replenished, so how were aquifers originally filled?
Almost all sorted sediments were deposited within water, so aquifers contained
water when they first formed. Today, with aquifers steadily collapsing globally,
one must question claims that they formed millions of year ago. As described in
this chapter, liquefaction sorted sediments relatively recently.
7. Varves are extremely thin layers (typically 0.004 inch or 0.1 mm), which
evolutionists claim are laid down annually in lakes. By counting varves,
evolutionists believe that time can be measured. The Green River Formation of
Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah, a classic varve region, contains billions of
flattened, paper-thin, fossilized fish; thousands were buried and fossilized in
the act of swallowing other fish. [See Figure 7 on page 11.] Obviously, burial
was sudden. Fish, lying on the bottom of a lake for years, would decay or
disintegrate long before enough varves could bury them. (Besides, dead fish
typically float, deteriorate, and then sink.) Most fish fossilized in varves
show exquisite detail and are pressed to the thinness of a piece of paper, as if
they had been compressed in a collapsing liquefaction lens.
Also, varves are too uniform, show almost no erosion, and are deposited over
wider areas than where streams enter lakes—where most lake deposits occur.
Liquefaction best explains these varves..." Full text: The
Fountains of the Great Deep. Chapter: Liquefaction: The Origin of Strata and
Layered Fossils. Testing the Theories
The Bible and the Creation Evolution Debate