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Response to comment [from a Christian]: "This is from Thayer's Lexicon. He was a Unitarian who denied the Deity of Christ, yet he was an honest, credible Greek scholar (he should have listened to his own writings). The NIV does use the word Deity in Col. 2:9, a grammatically correct translation on this verse."

Do you deny that Jesus is the second person of the trinity? Do you agree with the translation in the NIV--"diety"?

McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 5:350

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Don't assume anything in scripture."

Scripture clearly teaches the deity of Jesus. The re-invented Jesus that you present could not save anyone. If Jesus is not God, then he was only a man. If he was only a man, he cannot save. His value is infinite so he can save the whole world.

The Bible says that no man is good--no not one (Ro 3:12). Jesus lived the perfect, sinless life that neither you nor I could live. He is able to save (Isa 63:9; Eph 5:23) and our only hope (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12).

The Divinity of Jesus:

As Jehovah, Isa. 40:3, with Matt. 3:3; Jehovah of glory, Psa. 24:7, 10, with 1 Cor. 2:8; Jas. 2:1; Jehovah our righteousness, Jer. 23:5, 6, with 1 Cor. 1:30; Jehovah above all, Psa. 97:9, with John 3:31; Jehovah the first and the last, Isa. 44:6, with Rev. 1:17; Isa. 48:12–16, with Rev. 22:13; Jehovah’s fellow and equal, Zech. 13:7; Phil. 2:6; Jehovah of Armies, Isa. 6:1–3, with John 12:41; Isa. 8:13, 14, with 1 Pet. 2:8; Jehovah, Psa. 110:1, with Matt. 22:42–45; Jehovah the shepherd, Isa. 40:10, 11; Heb. 13:20; Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created, Prov. 16:4, with Col. 1:16; Jehovah the messenger of the covenant, Mal. 3:1, with Luke 7:27. Invoked as Jehovah, Joel 2:32, with 1 Cor. 1:2; as the eternal God and Creator, Psa. 102:24–27, with Heb. 1:8, 10–12; the mighty God, Isa. 9:6; the great God and Savior, Hos. 1:7, with Tit. 2:13; God over al, Rom. 9:5; God the Judge, Eccl. 12:14, with 1 Cor. 4:5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; Emmanuel, Isa. 7:14, with Matt. 1:23; King of kings and Lord of lords, Dan. 10:17, with Rev. 1:5; 17:14; the Holy One, 1 Sam. 2:2, with Acts 3:14; the Lord from heaven, 1 Cor. 15:47; Lord of the sabbath, Gen. 2:3, with Matt. 12:8; Lord of all, Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:11–13; Son of God, Matt. 26:63–67; the only begotten Son of the Father, John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9. His blood is called the blood of God, Acts 20:28. One with the Father, John 10:30, 38; 12:45; 14:7–10; 17:10. As sending the Spirit equally with the Father, John 14:16, with John 15:26. As unsearchable equally with the Father, Prov. 30:4; Matt. 11:27. As Creator of all things, Isa. 40:28; John 1:3; Col. 1:16; supporter and preserver of all things, Neh. 9:6, with Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3. Acknowledged by Old Testament saints, Gen. 17:1, with Gen. 48:15, 16; 32:24–30, with Hos. 12:3–5; Judg. 6:22–24; 13:21, 22; Job 19:25–27.—Unclassified Scriptures Relating to the Divinity of: Ex. 23:20, 21; Psa. 24:10 1 Cor. 2:8; Psa. 45:6, 7 Heb. 1:8. Isa. 6:1 John 12:41. Isa. 8:13, 14 1 Pet. 2:8. Isa. 9:6 Tit. 2:13. Isa. 40:3, 9, 10 Matt. 3:3. Mal. 3:1 Matt. 11:10. Matt. 1:23 Isa. 7:14. Matt. 8:29 Luke 8:28. Matt. 9:6; Matt. 22:43–45 Psa. 110:1. Matt. 28:17, 18; Mark 5:6, 7; Luke 4:12, 33, 34; Luke 9:43, 44; John 1:1, 2; John 5:17, 18, 21–23; John 10:30–33; John 12:45; John 20:28; Acts 7:37–39; Acts 20:28; Rom. 1:7 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Col. 1:2; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2. Rom. 9:5; 1 Cor. 8:6; 1 Cor. 10:9 Num. 21:6. 1 Cor. 15:47; Gal. 1:1, 3; Eph. 1:2; Eph. 6:23; Phil. 2:6 vs. 5–11.; 1 Thess. 3:11; 2 Thess. 2:16, 17; 1 Tim. 3:16; Tit. 2:13; Heb. 1:8, 10 Psa. 102:24–27; vs. 1–14, with Gen. 1:1.1 John 5:20

Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "But Jesus is a man both before and after His resurrection from the dead..."

Why do you call yourself a Christian when you are not, denying the deity of Jesus? Like a counterfeiter, you try to sell another Jesus. The Jesus you present, if he were true, could not save. At best, if he were perfect, he could die to save himself but not the whole world. Thankfully, God's plan and purpose was more than your man-made plan and purpose. God himself stepped out of time and eternity; he was born a man; he died and he rose again, as only God can do. When men put their trust in the Jesus of the Bible, they can be saved. Our Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Our Jesus' value is infinite: "There is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me (Is 45:21)." “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last... (Re 1:11)..."I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore (Re 1:17-18)."

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: add: Lazy Afternoon (non-trinitarian) states: "Your view discounts the righteous life of the man Jesus. God can not die, remember. It was the righteous life of a human being which God accepted as the full price paid for sin on behalf of all men...This "Jesus" of RCC making, who you follow, is Satan disguised and you swallow his every lie, because the central theme of the lie is that God can not make a man to be righteous like Himself by His living word, and you believe that...Your Jesus did not die, he only changed his outer body, this is the lie of the ages..."06:55 PM 13 Oct 09 link

Take it up Satan Inc. (ToL Heretics List). You are not a Christian if you deny the deity of Jesus. Jesus is the Christ (God-man) [Jn 1:1].

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Satan Inc. (TOL Heretics List)

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him [Col. 1:16].

3. “By him were all things created.” If all things were created by Him, that clears up the question of His being a creature or the Creator. The statement that He is the Firstborn of all creation does not mean that He was created, but rather He is the One who did the creating.

There are two kinds of creation, the “visible and invisible.” It is very interesting here to note that he mentions different gradations of rank in spiritual intelligences: thrones, dominions, principalities, powers. There are gradations in the angelic hosts. Other verses in Scripture tell us that there are seraphim and cherubim, and also the archangels. And then there are just the common, everyday, vegetable variety of angels.

In Ephesians we note the fact that our enemy is a spiritual enemy. Satan has a spiritual host that rebelled with him. So there are different gradations of rank among our spiritual enemies, too.

4. It is wonderful to know that all things were created by Him. But there is another truth given to us here: All things were created “for him.”

If you were to go out tonight and look up at the heavens, you would see a number of stars. Have you ever wondered why each star is in its own special position? Why is that star in that part of the heavens? It is in that part of the heavens because that is where Jesus wanted it. Not only did He create all things, but they were created for Him.

One of the most wonderful truths in this connection is that we are told that we are heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Lord Jesus Christ. We have a big hunk of real estate coming to us someday. Maybe He will turn over a whole star to us. I don’t know; I have often wondered. I think we will be very busy in eternity. We will not be earthlings then, but we will be given a new body which is free from gravitation. We will be living in a city called the New Jerusalem. We will be able to travel through God’s vast universe. I don’t know how much of that universe He is going to turn over to us. He made it all, created it out of nothing, and He is going to run it to suit Himself. This is His universe. If you have wondered why a certain tree has a certain kind of leaf, it is because that is the way He wanted it. It was made by Him, and it was made for Him. We are going to enter into that someday: there is an inheritance prepared for us. I have never dwelt upon that very much because I feel that it is rather speculative. But I am sure that all of us wonder what it will be like when we are with Him in eternity. We do know it will be wonderful.

You and I are living down here in tents. Paul calls these bodies of ours just that—tents. He says, “For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved …” (2 Cor. 5:1). A tabernacle is a tent. This tent will go right back to the ground because the body is to be put into the ground at death. We will have moved out of our tent. He says, “… willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord” (2 Cor. 5:8). When we are absent from these old bodies down here, we will be present with the Lord. We will be at home with Him.

You may be living in a home that cost $500,000. I have news for you: you are actually living in a flabby, old, frail tent—all of us are. But one of these days we will have our glorified bodies, and then we will receive our inheritance! You can have your $500,000 house—you won’t be in it long, anyway. Our new body is for eternity, and we will be at home with Him forever. This is the prospect ahead for the child of God. I’m rather looking forward to it. “All things were created by him, and for him.”

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist [Col. 1:17].

5. “He is before all things.” All fullness dwells in the preincarnate Christ, and all fullness dwells in the incarnate Christ. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Col. 2:9). We are made complete in Him. He was before all things. He is the preincarnate Christ.

6. “By him all things consist.” He holds everything together. He maintains creation. He directs it. “Consist” is sunistēmi which means to hold together. He is the super glue of the universe.

A few years ago in our lifetime, man did a very daring, and I think now, a very dastardly deed: he untied the atom. The Lord Jesus tied each one of those little fellows together when He created the atom. Man did what he called splitting the atom. Believe me, did he release power! Have you ever stopped to think of the tremendous power that there is in the atoms of this universe? If one bomb that we can hold in our hand can blow a whole area to smithereens, then how much power is tied up on this vast physical universe? Who is holding all that together? We are told that Christ not only created it but that He holds it together. I would say that holding it all together is a pretty big job. The Lord Jesus Christ is the One who is able to do that.

We have this same truth repeated for us in Hebrews: “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high” (Heb. 1:3). He’s a wonderful person, isn’t He? He’s a glorious person!

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:339-340). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I want you to substitute the word Christ..."

Of course you do. Every cult and 'ism would love to deny the deity of Jesus. But the apostle John made it clear that Jesus is the Christ (his divine title) [1 Jn 4:3].

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "A true follower of Jesus the Christ would..."

You deny the deity of Jesus (Jn 1:1). You are not a Christian.

"He [Jesus] prayed to his God, you should too."

When we pray "in Jesus' name" we acknowledged his work not ours (Eph 2:18; Heb 10:19). Christians pray to the Father in the name of the Son.

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Who do we pray to, the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit?

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[D]efine what "Christ" means."

Christ is Jesus' divine title:

Christ is God.

1. As Jehovah. Isa 40:3; Mt 3:3.

2. As Jehovah of glory. Ps 24:7,10; 1Co 2:8; Jas 2:1.

3. As Jehovah, our RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jer 23:5,6; 1Co 1:30.

4. As Jehovah, above all. Ps 97:9; Joh 3:31.

5. As Jehovah, the First and the Last. Isa 44:6; Re 1:17; Isa 48:12-16; Re 22:13.

6. As Jehovah’s Fellow and Equal. Zec 13:7; Php 2:6.

7. As Jehovah of Hosts. Isa 6:1-3; Joh 12:41; Isa 8:13,14; 1Pe 2:8.

8. As Jehovah, the Shepherd. Isa 40:11; Heb 13:20.

9. As Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created. Pr 16:4; Col 1:16.

10. As Jehovah, the Messenger of the covenant. Mal 3:1; Mr 1:2; Lu 2:27.

11. Invoked as Jehovah. Joe 2:32; Ac 2:21; 1Co 1:2.

12. As the Eternal God and Creator. Ps 102:24-27; Heb 1:8,10-12.

13. As the mighty God. Isa 9:6.

14. As the Great God and Saviour. Ho 1:7; Tit 2:13.

15. As God over all. Ps 45:6,7; Ro 9:5.

16. As the true God. Jer 10:10; 1Jo 5:20.

17. As God the Word. Joh 1:1.

18. As God, the judge. Ec 12:14; 1Co 4:5; 2Co 5:10; 2Ti 4:1.

19. As Emmanuel. Isa 7:14; Mt 1:23.

20. As King of kings and Lord of lords. Da 10:17; Re 1:5; 17:14.

21. As the Holy One. 1Sa 2:2; Ac 3:14.

22. As the Lord from heaven. 1Co 15:47.

23. As Lord of the Sabbath. Ge 2:3; Mt 12:8.

24. As Lord of all. Ac 10:36; Ro 10:11-13.

25. As Son of God. Mt 26:63-67.

26. As the Only-begotten Son of the Father. Joh 1:14,18; 3:16,18; 1Jo 4:9.

27. His blood is called the blood of God. Ac 20:28.

28. As one with the Father. Joh 10:30,38; 12:45; 14:7-10; 17:10.

29. As sending the Spirit, equally with the Father. Joh 14:16; 15:26.

30. As entitled to equal honour with the Father. Joh 5:23.

31. As Owner of all things, equally with the Father. Joh 16:15.

32. As unrestricted by the law of the sabbath, equally with the Father. Joh 5:17.

33. As the Source of grace, equally with the Father. 1Th 3:11; 2Th 2:16,17.

34. As unsearchable, equally with the Father. Pr 30:4; Mt 11:27.

35. As Creator of all things. Isa 40:28; Joh 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:2.

36. As Supporter and Preserver of all things. Ne 9:6; Col 1:17; Heb 1:3.

37. As possessed of the fulness of the God head. Col 2:9; Heb 1:3.

38. As raising the dead. Joh 5:21; 6:40,54.

39. As raising himself from the dead. Joh 2:19,21; 10:18.

40. As Eternal. Isa 9:6; Mic 5:2; Joh 1:1; Col 1:17; Heb 1:8-10; Re 1:8.

41. As Omnipresent. Mt 18:20; 28:20; Joh 3:13.

42. As Omnipotent. Ps 45:3; Php 3:21; Re 1:8.

43. As Omniscient. Joh 16:30; 21:17.

44. As discerning the thoughts of the heart. 1Ki 8:39; Lu 5:22; Eze 11:5; Joh 2:24,25; Re 2:23.

45. As unchangeable. Mal 3:6; Heb 1:12; 13:8.

46. As having power to forgive sins. Col 3:13; Mr 2:7,10.

47. As Giver of pastors to the Church. Jer 3:15; Eph 4:11-13.

48. As Husband of the Church. Isa 54:5; Eph 5:25-32; Isa 62:5; Re 21:2,9.

49. As the object of divine worship. Ac 7:59; 2Co 12:8,9; Heb 1:6; Re 5:12.

50. As the object of faith. Ps 2:12; 1Pe 2:6; Jer 17:5,7; Joh 14:1.

51. As God, he redeems and purifies the Church to himself. Re 5:9; Tit 2:14.

52. As God, he presents the Church to himself. Eph 5:27; Jude 1:24,25.

53. Saints live to him as God. Ro 6:11; Ga 2:19; 2Co 5:15.

54. Acknowledged by his Apostles. Joh 20:28.

55. Acknowledged by the Old Testament saints. Ge 17:1; 48:15,16; 32:24-30; Ho 12:3-5; Jdj 6:22-24; 13:21,22; Job 19:25-27.

Torrey, R. (1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.

Response to comment [from a Mormon]: "...of course Peter also adds 'the Son of the living God'"

You will never be like Jesus who is God. You will never yourself be a god. Jesus will always be God and you will always be his creation (John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14). To worship the true and living God, you must acknowledge who he is, repent and be saved.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Wrong...Pay attention as we need to get a little deeper than your pastor!"

Wrong. Ad hominem. Address the issues not the pastors encouraging you to repent. You fail to understand who Jesus is (Jn 1:1). He is the creator, the second person of the trinity, the God-man. When you accept the word of God (Jn 1:1), then the Spirit of God is able to save you.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Let me help you..."

How can an antichrist help anyone? (1 Jn 4:3). You deny the deity of Jesus. You are filled with pride but you are not filled with the word of God (Jn 1:1).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Hello, Earth to serpentdove, See this is what happens when you follow your pastor instead of reading for yourself!"

Ad hominem. Antichrists don't like pastors who give out the word of God. They deny the Father and the Son (1Jo 2:22). They deny the incarnation of Christ (1Jo 4:3; 2Jo 1:7). They've been around for a long time and are here now (1Jo 2:18), and their character is deceitful (2Jo 1:7). You are one of them.

Scripture will illuminate itself for you if/when, you accept Jn 1:1. Jesus preexisted (Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11). He is like no other (Luke 1:31–33). Acknowledge it (Phil. 2:9, 10). Only he can save (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12).

"You're brainwashed....Hold on to your RCC doctrine..."

The Bible teaches that Jesus is the second person of the godhead. Antichrists like you attempt to corrupt the doctrine (Acts 17:29).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Then why is the way that you interpret John 1:1 not clearly given in the other gospels."

The Bible is internally consistent. An understanding of who Jesus is is essential doctrine. You will not understand scripture without a proper understanding of Jn 1:1. God does not give more truth to men who fail to respond to the truth already given them. Understand Jn 1:1. Then, if you truly welcomed his word with a receptive heart and reflective spirit (Jas 1:21), God will help you with the rest of scripture (Jn 14:21).

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [John 1:1].

"The Gospel of John introduces the Lord Jesus Christ with three tremendous statements:

“In the beginning was the Word,”

“And the Word was with God,”

“And the Word was God.”

“The Word” is one of the highest and most profound titles of the Lord Jesus Christ. To determine the exact meaning is not easy. Obviously the Lord Jesus Christ is not the logos of Greek philosophy; rather He is the memra of the Hebrew Scriptures. Notice how important the Word is in the Old Testament. For instance, the name for Jehovah was never pronounced. It was such a holy word that they never used it at all. But this is the One who is the Word and, gathering up everything that was said of Him in the Old Testament, He is now presented as the One “In the beginning.” This beginning antedates the very first words in the Bible, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” That beginning can be dated, although I do not believe that anyone can date it accurately—it is nonsense to say that it is 4004 b.c., as Ussher’s dating has it. It probably goes back billions and billions of years. You see, you and I are dealing with the God of eternity. When you go back to creation He is already there, and that is exactly the way this is used—“in the beginning was the Word.” Notice it is not is the Word; it was not in the beginning that the Word started out or was begotten. Was (as Dr. Lenske points out) is known as a durative imperfect, meaning continued action. It means that the Word was in the beginning. What beginning? Just as far back as you want to go. The Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1). Does that begin God? No, just keep on going back billions and trillions and “squillions” of years. I can think back to billions of years back of creation—maybe you can go beyond that—but let’s put down a point there, billions of years back of creation. He already was; He comes out of eternity to meet us. He did not begin. “In the beginning was the Word”—He was already there when the beginning was. “Well,” somebody says, “there has to be a beginning somewhere.” All right, wherever you begin, He is there to meet you, He is already past tense. “In the beginning was the Word”—five words in the original language, and there is not a man on topside of this earth who can put a date on it or understand it or fathom it. This first tremendous statement starts us off in space, you see.

The second statement is this, “and the Word was with God.” This makes it abundantly clear that He is separate and distinct from God the Father. You cannot identify Him as God the Father because He is with God. “But,” someone says, “if He is with God, He is not God.” The third statement sets us straight, “and the Word was God.” This is a clear, emphatic declaration that the Lord Jesus Christ is God. In fact, the Greek is more specific than this, because in the Greek language the important word is placed at the beginning of the sentence and it reads, “God was the Word.” That is emphatic; you cannot get it more emphatic than that. Do you want to get rid of the deity of Christ? My friend, you cannot get rid of it. The first three statements in John’s gospel tie the thing down. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:369). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "It is you who deny 1 Jn 4:3... actually read it for once!"

I understand that you understand it differently. You fail to understand it correctly (Jn 3:19).

The Chinese are known for their hospitality. When you accept a gift from them, it is culturally appropriate to receive it with two hands. You do not reach out and grasp it with one hand. That is how we are to receive the word of God. You cannot grasp it. You receive (δέχομαι) it (Jas 1:21). Then, you can raise two empty hands to him (Rogers).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Don’t be afraid to explore the truth, you know you want too!"

There is no evidence that you understand the word of God. There is a moral qualification to receiving God's word. Come with a repentant heart (Mt 6:33). When you rid yourself of a superfluity of wickedness (residual sin), then you can come to the Lord with meekness and be saved (Jas 1:21, Rogers).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "The Christian Bible does no such thing!...LA and keypurr are 100% correct here in spite of their embrace of Christianity."

Take it up with Satan Inc. (ToL Heretics List) http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55479.

Response to comment [from other]: "O get off your high horse."

I know one who is coming on his high horse (Re 19:11). You'd better get ready.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[N]o person the whole book of Acts or any other New Testament book that requires you to believe that Jesus is the Lord God, Jehovah..."

Then just keep being evil (Re 22:11). When you receive Christ, re-read: Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Jesus is the first complete man as a pattern."

Why do you call yourself a Christian? What cult do you belong to?

"You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to (C.S. Lewis)...." Full text: Jesus: God or Just a Good Man?

Response to comment [from an atheist (now registered correctly)] "How thoroughly (un?) Christian of you to wish for my swift demise..."

Not at all. I am happy that you are here. Welcome. Just be honest about who you are.

You will hear from a believer that Jesus is the second person of the trinity. You will hear from a make-believer that he is not.

You are an atheist? An atheist knows there is no God. Do you believe that you know everything there is to know about everything?

"I'd rather be in Hell than in Heaven with the likes of you...a much friendlier crowd will be gathered there... thanks god."

Hell will be filled with people who think like you but you won't get to speak with them. You only get to hear the grinding and gnashing of your own teeth. It's wise to avoid hell (Pr 15:24).

"And dittos for Freelight's comment. You've got anger management issues."

Little 'ol me? Freelight is an antichrist be he doesn't admit it. At least you admit it.

"Never been otherwise despite your dishonest (misinformed) post on the 'heretic list.'"

I'm sorry. You're right. You never listed any other way. My mistake. What a welcome wagon, huh?

"[Y]ou don't know much about atheists either. I don't deny the Christian god might exist, it's possible. I simply need a little more evidence than... NONE."

Ok, then...and I hate to do this...but that would make you an agnostic (a doubter) not an atheist. An atheist knows there is not God. An agnostic is not sure.

I just need to ask you one more question: Are you an honest doubter or a dishonest doubter? In other words, are you willing to tell God that you do not know if he exists. And, if he does exist--to make himself known to you and you will follow him no matter where it leads? An honest doubter would be willing to make such a statement. A dishonest doubter does not know God and does not want to know God. He can't find God for the same reason that a thief cannot find a policeman (Rogers).

"I thought Obama was the antichrist."

Obama is an antichrist. Whether he is the Antichrist, I don't know.

"Could you use a hug?"

:crackup:

"Agnostics think there is evidence for and evidence against...God and are undecided....Atheists...do not believe in god because of the lack of evidence..."

I am not speaking about evidence. I am speaking about what an atheist is and what an agnostic is. The atheist says there is no God and he is sure. The agnostic says he does not know if there is a God. Agreed?

"I require a...miracle...This might seem a high standard to you but it shouldn't be so for god now should it?"

Jesus said the wicked seek a sign (Mt 16:4).

[Obama antichrist] "My vote is [thumbs up]."

Does he have your support? Just trying to figure out who you are newbie, SH. Sorry about the rough start.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "The Bible gives Christ's deity to have been given Him from His Father due to Christ's obedience to the Father, as only a man.

Deity cannot be given. The doctrine of the trinity is either true or it is false. The Bible teaches the doctrine of the trinity (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).

If Jesus is God, then he has always been God, the uncreated creator. Jesus is preexistent (Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11). No beginning, no end. "Alpha" is Christ's title (Rev. 1:8, 11; 21:6; 22:13. Compare Isa. 41:4; 44:6; 48:12).

Jesus created all things (John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14).

"...and sin in Heaven"

No fallen angel will enter heaven (Matt. 25:41). No filthy thing will enter heaven (1 Cor 6:9). That is why we must be clothed in Christ's righteousness (Ga 3:27).

"...[Y]our RCC view..."

I do not hold to Roman Catholic teaching. Roman Catholics teach false doctrine. They teach: a different Jesus, a different gospel, and a different way of salvation than historical, biblical Christianity. They are a work-based religion. Christianity is faith based in the person of Jesus (Eph 2:8).

Response to comment [from other]: "Jesus was posthumously deified to the status of OT Messiah-God because of the skewed (albeit majority) vote and imperial support of the pro-Athanasius bishops who won the day at the First Nicean Council of 325CE that settled the Arian Controversy."

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [(Legend), Liar, Lunatic, Lord] "We should give credit to C.S. Lewis in 'Mere Christianity':