The Fall of the American Economy

[The Fall of the American Economy, Part 1 by David Jeremiah] "Financing and administering massive entitlement programs, enormous government bailouts, seemingly unending wars, and runaway big government have sunk America into a quagmire of deficit, debt, and inflation. Is there any hope for recovery? What does the future hold?" Audio: The Fall of the American Economy, Part   1 Pr 22:7

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[A] good way to sell books is to write in them whatever you think people want to read, and not to write in them things that people don't want to know."

Jeremiah has done much research on this subject. Don't worry--he doesn't attack Democrats. He says both parties have done enough to destroy the country. Pour yourself a cup of chamomile tea, listen. and enjoy.

"...[T]he only way to resolve the problem is to stop the legalized bribery, and break up the investment banks..."

He argues we are beyond solving the problem at this point.

Do you take one lump of sugar or two?

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "Why do you hate America? Money is speech, corporations are people, and human beings are a disposable resource. If you're not rich it's because you're lazy, stupid, or both, and you deserve whatever you get."

This is Geraldbug's way of saying, "I love you" (Pr 26:11; Mt 7:6; 2 Pe 2:22).

"You have yet to demonstrate that what I say is folly..."

1. I can't. 2. I'm afraid of you.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I don't care about the attack (democrats or republicans) so much as I am concerned about these smoke-screen issues being gobbled up by the American public. The people who are destroying the economy are getting away with it because they have managed to keep us all fighting amongst ourselves, by getting us to blame each other for what's been happening to us economically.

"Entitlements" are not the problem.

The national debt is not the problem.

Taxation is not the problem..."

I did say chamomile.  I 'm so clear.

Response to comment [from other]:  "As a society, people have lost the sense of family and community, when what we really need is to expand those boarders around ourselves. Community is the most valuable thing we have, with assets in co-ops and cooperation."

Man cannot rule and reign.

The Fall of the American Economy by David Jeremiah (paraphrased):

Why won't America won't be in prophesy? America may be absorbed into the new world order--loosing sovereignty--loosing identity. Our nation's economic future is not bright. Indebtedness could be the final thing that pushes us over the edge. 

Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” (Heb 13:5).

God does his best work in the darkest hours but our hope is in God.

Response to comment [from other]: "A jubilee could help us enact Isaiah 58 letting us undo the heavy burden and break every yoke."

Does our country appear sorrowful? 2 Co 7:10

Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins [Isa. 58:1].

"The prophet is commanded to cry aloud a message that is always unpopular, which is to point out the transgressions and sins of a people who think they are very religious. This will bring down the bitter displeasure and caustic invective upon one’s head. Only a very brave man will do it. I would say that the basic weakness of liberalism in the pulpit is its aim to please the natural man without telling him the real truth about his fatal disease. The medical profession today would be guilty of gross negligence if they followed the same procedure with the physical part of man that religion plays with the spiritual part of man. When the doctor told me I had cancer, I tried my best to get him to say that it was something else. He said, “I am going to tell you exactly what is wrong with you. I will tell it exactly like it is. If I don’t, you won’t have any confidence in me.” God is telling it exactly like it is. And He wants His servants to tell mankind that they are suffering from the fatal disease of sin, which is going to eventuate in eternal death, eternal separation from almighty God." McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 3:327
 

"I'm not really sure what you thought of my post."

I'm wondering why you discuss these things when you do not identify as a Christian.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Wow! What a topic. I have been impressed by these scriptures since before 2008, actually in 2007.

Lamentations 5:2 (HCSB) Our inheritance has been turned over to strangers, our houses to foreigners.

Lamentations 5:4 (HCSB) We must pay for the water we drink; our wood comes at a price.

I do believe God is judging the USA and the USA is about to be in the dustbin of history. Anyone remember the cycles of civilization? Misquotation - Tytler Cycle

Civilizations follow a sequence:

Bondage to spiritual faith
From Spiritual faith to courage
From courage to liberty
From liberty to abundance
From abundance to complacency
From complacency to apathy
From apathy to dependence
Finally from dependence back into bondage"

That quote is sometimes attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler.

Here is a diagram of the behavior of nations from J. Vernon McGee:

Jas 5:1-6, Mt 6:19-20

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "One wonders how the ancient empires like Egypt and Rome fit on that diagram, since they never served the God of Abraham."

Nations inherit different characteristics (Gen. 25:23) and the concept here is righteousness exalts a nation (Prov. 14:34) and corruption destroys a nation (Lev. 18:26–28). But, I believe you're right. I said behavior of nations. I should have said the behavior of Israel. Nothing gets by you GB.

J. Vernon McGee writes:

"The Book of Judges serves a twofold purpose:

1. Historically it records the history of the nation from the death of Joshua to Samuel, the last of the judges and the first of the prophets. It bridges the gap between Joshua and the rise of the monarchy. There was no leader to take Joshua’s place in the way he had taken Moses’ place. This was the trial period of the theocracy after they entered the land.

2. Morally it is the time of the deep declension of the people as they turned from the Unseen Leader and descended to the low level of “In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes” (Judges 17:6; also compare Judges 1:1 with 20:18). This should have been an era of glowing progress, but it was a dark day of repeated failure. This course can be plotted like a hoop rolling down the hill of time. The steps of a nation’s downfall are outlined in the last division of the book (see outline). Isaiah, chapter 1, presents these same fatal steps downward that eventually led to the final captivity of the nation." Full text: Joshua, Judges, Ruth by J. Vernon McGee

"In the Book of Genesis Israel was born. In the Book of Exodus Israel was chosen. In the Book of Numbers the nation was proven. In the Book of Leviticus it was brought nigh by the blood. In Deuteronomy it was instructed. Now in the Book of Joshua it faces conflict and conquest.

"The Book of Joshua completes the redemption of Israel that was begun in Exodus. Exodus is the book of redemption out of Egypt; Joshua is the book of redemption into the Promised Land." McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 2:1

All of the nations are moving toward judgment (Dan. 2:27–45). God chose the Jews (De 7:6,7), separating them from other nations (Ex 33:16; Le 20:24; 1 Ki 8:53).

John MacArthur thinks we are getting a taste of judgment now:

[The Reality of God's Wrath Romans 1:18-32 by John MacArthur] "I believe, right now, the United States of America is experiencing the wrath of abandonment. I don't believe we're on the brink of God's wrath; I think we're right in the middle of it. People have not yet experienced eternal wrath, those who are alive. Not yet have we entered into the age eschatological wrath. Occasionally we have some calamities in which many souls perish. But I do believe that we are now experiencing the wrath of abandonment, and not just us. Paul said this in Acts 14:16, very important statement, he said, "In the generations gone by, God permitted all the nations to go their own way." Did you hear that? In the generations gone by, God permitted all of the nations to go their own way. This isn't anything new; this is the cycle of history..." Full text: The Reality of God's Wrath Romans 1:18-32

Also see:

Egypt, Rome

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "The end timer nut jobs are in full force in this thread."

[New World Order, Part 1 by David Jeremiah Series: The Coming Economic Armageddon] "For years now, presidents, religious leaders, and politicians have lobbied for a new world order. What they neglect to mention, or may not know, is that the new world order is neither new nor orderly. Yet, facing uncertain financial times is propelling the world to seek global unification. Is it really what’s best? What are the possible ramifications? Dr. David Jeremiah retraces the steps of the new world order and reveals how it is built on a foundation of chaos and confusion as old as history itself." Aud: The New World Order, Part 1 Series: The Coming Economic Armageddon

Response to comment [from other]: "I'm wondering why you misused the quotes."

Proof please.

"...[W]hy do you want to see a label?"

It doesn't matter-- unregenerate is unregenerate--Roman Catholic, atheist, Mormon, Jehovah's witness, etc. Matt. 13:38

Response to comment [from ]: "It is unfortunate when "own way" is equated with "pleasure" as if Gods way is some awful thing."

Yep (Heb 11:25). Sin blinds (Isa 29:10; Mt 6:23; Jn 3:19,20), deceives (Heb 3:13) and holds people captive (Jn 8:34; Ro 6:16).

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "And the vast majority is unregenerate."

True (Ex 23:2 Mt 7:14). It's not what they haven't heard.  It's what they have heard but reject (Ps 19:1, Ro 3:11).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "OK - here's what I actually said...And here's how you put me in quotes in post #21..."

I see what you are referring to now.  I'm Sorry.  I posted my response to your statement in error.  I've updated it. 

[It doesn't matter-- unregenerate is unregenerate--Roman Catholic, atheist, Mormon, Jehovah's witness, etc. Matt. 13:38] "Well I'm none of those things. I never joined a denomination after leaving the SDA church. Instead I've identified myself with the body of Christ. My church is where my brothers accept me in the spirit of my Father."

You're a Christian but you don't go to church? That's like "I'm hungry and I never eat".

You are free to identify any way you'd like. Just know, when others come upon your posts they may just assume that you're just a run- of-the-mill pagan. For clarity sake, you may want to call yourself a Christian--if indeed you are a Christ follower.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...End times prognosticators that make their living off of appealing to sensationalism..."

I hate when that happens (Re 13:17).

See:

'Toward a New World Order': A transcript of former President George Herbert Walker Bush's address to a joint session of Congress and the nation

By the way, Leftists race-baiters have convinced Coke not to support conservative causes (Ac 17:26, Eccl 10:2).

"Just like I said... trying to cause panic and you are in love with sensationalism."

I'd just like a Coke (Re 13:17).

"The only way out of this life is death... you aren't getting a free ticket out of it."

I'm good (Heb 2:15).

"I'm getting less and less tolerant of the brain washing that goes on with dispensationalists and [F]ox [N]ew watchers..."
 

Don't care for Fox News.

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  [Gerald quote: ...[E]very person who has ever lived, is doomed.] "Well allrighty then Mr. Gloomy Gus."

"He's a cheerful fella when he wants to be." ~ John Patterson, The Ghost and the Darkness

The Fall of the American Economy