Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Jesus is God in a mysterious way."
True. Mary called him Lord too (Lk 1:46).
And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?
[Denying the trinity] "There he goes again..."
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Lord is a title of authority/power. Christ was given all authority and power [except over God, whom he is subject to]."
Jesus is the second person of the trinity. Understand Jn 1:1.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "We only believe in truth. Jesus is NOT God. He is Not God the son. He is the son of God, a man. Your traditions have confused you. Scripture does not back up your thoughts."
Do you agree with csuguy's position? He misunderstands "Son of God".
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Agrees with csuguy denying the trinity of Jesus] "Hi friend, yes I agree with csuguy's thoughts on God and Jesus. Let me ask you a few questions if I may. Who did Jesus say he was? Does Jesus have a God? How many God's are there? If you answer these questions from scripture you will see that Jesus is the son of God, not God the son. There is no God/Son just a man who is the son of God. Jesus was the perfect man to be the sacrifice for our sins. He is now Lord of all creation, elevated to that position by his God. There is no trinity friend, that is a fable from the past. The church made that dogma in two pieces in the fourth century."
Jesus claimed to be God. Jesus does not have a god; he is God. There is one God.
Divinity of Jesus: As Jehovah, Isa. 40:3, with Matt. 3:3; Jehovah of glory, Psa. 24:7, 10, with 1 Cor. 2:8; Jas. 2:1; Jehovah our righteousness, Jer. 23:5, 6, with 1 Cor. 1:30; Jehovah above all, Psa. 97:9, with John 3:31; Jehovah the first and the last, Isa. 44:6, with Rev. 1:17; Isa. 48:12–16, with Rev. 22:13; Jehovah’s fellow and equal, Zech. 13:7; Phil. 2:6; Jehovah of Armies, Isa. 6:1–3, with John 12:41; Isa. 8:13, 14, with 1 Pet. 2:8; Jehovah, Psa. 110:1, with Matt. 22:42–45; Jehovah the shepherd, Isa. 40:10, 11; Heb. 13:20; Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created, Prov. 16:4, with Col. 1:16; Jehovah the messenger of the covenant, Mal. 3:1, with Luke 7:27. Invoked as Jehovah, Joel 2:32, with 1 Cor. 1:2; as the eternal God and Creator, Psa. 102:24–27, with Heb. 1:8, 10–12; the mighty God, Isa. 9:6; the great God and Savior, Hos. 1:7, with Tit. 2:13; God over al, Rom. 9:5; God the Judge, Eccl. 12:14, with 1 Cor. 4:5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; Emmanuel, Isa. 7:14, with Matt. 1:23; King of kings and Lord of lords, Dan. 10:17, with Rev. 1:5; 17:14; the Holy One, 1 Sam. 2:2, with Acts 3:14; the Lord from heaven, 1 Cor. 15:47; Lord of the sabbath, Gen. 2:3, with Matt. 12:8; Lord of all, Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:11–13; Son of God, Matt. 26:63–67; the only begotten Son of the Father, John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9. His blood is called the blood of God, Acts 20:28. One with the Father, John 10:30, 38; 12:45; 14:7–10; 17:10. As sending the Spirit equally with the Father, John 14:16, with John 15:26. As unsearchable equally with the Father, Prov. 30:4; Matt. 11:27. As Creator of all things, Isa. 40:28; John 1:3; Col. 1:16; supporter and preserver of all things, Neh. 9:6, with Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3. Acknowledged by Old Testament saints, Gen. 17:1, with Gen. 48:15, 16; 32:24–30, with Hos. 12:3–5; Judg. 6:22–24; 13:21, 22; Job 19:25–27. Unclassified Scriptures Relating to the Divinity of: Ex. 23:20, 21; Psa. 24:10 1 Cor. 2:8; Psa. 45:6, 7 Heb. 1:8. Isa. 6:1 John 12:41. Isa. 8:13, 14 1 Pet. 2:8. Isa. 9:6 Tit. 2:13. Isa. 40:3, 9, 10 Matt. 3:3. Mal. 3:1 Matt. 11:10. Matt. 1:23 Isa. 7:14. Matt. 8:29 Luke 8:28. Matt. 9:6; Matt. 22:43–45 Psa. 110:1. Matt. 28:17, 18; Mark 5:6, 7; Luke 4:12, 33, 34; Luke 9:43, 44; John 1:1, 2; John 5:17, 18, 21–23; John 10:30–33; John 12:45; John 20:28; Acts 7:37–39; Acts 20:28; Rom. 1:7 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Col. 1:2; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2. Rom. 9:5; 1 Cor. 8:6; 1 Cor. 10:9 Num. 21:6. 1 Cor. 15:47; Gal. 1:1, 3; Eph. 1:2; Eph. 6:23; Phil. 2:6 vs. 5–11.; 1 Thess. 3:11; 2 Thess. 2:16, 17; 1 Tim. 3:16; Tit. 2:13; Heb. 1:8, 10 Psa. 102:24–27; vs. 1–14, with Gen. 1:1.1 John 5:20.
Jn 1:1-18: "John takes us
back, beyond Creation, to show that Jesus has been God
the Son from eternity past. He existed before His birth,
coequal with God the Father, the source of light and of
life itself (1:1–5).
Before He began His ministry on earth the presence of
Jesus, the preexistent Word, was announced and pointed
out by John (vv. 6–9). Yet, though He made the world
itself, and came to a people He as God had called out
long ago, He was neither recognized nor received by His
own (vv. 10–11). Here John introduces a central theme of
his Gospel. Those who do receive Him, by believing on
His name, become the children of God (vv. 12–13). The
awesome truth is that in Jesus God Himself did become
flesh and live among us (v. 14). Jesus is the turning
point of sacred history, the source of a grace that
surpasses law, the visible expression of the unseen God
(vv. 15–18).
Key verse. 1:14: God has been among us.
Personal application. See the glory of God in Jesus.
Key concepts. Creation Isaiah 40. Light John 8. Belief
Romans 4. Flesh Genesis 2. World 1 John 2. Law Joshua 1.
Grace Galatians 2. Son of God Galatians 3-4."
INSIGHT
“The Word” (1:1). The Gk. word is logos, which usually
emphasizes the message of a spoken word. John’s point is
that a key role of the Second Person of the Trinity has
always been communication. The Son is the Spoken Word,
the living expression of all that God has ever sought to
communicate about Himself.
With God, and was God (1:1). John’s point is that Jesus
is both identical with the God of the O.T. and yet is
distinct from Him. The concept, so familiar although
mysterious to us, was stunning in the world of the 1st
century. The Jews emphasized the uniqueness and unity of
the O.T.’s one God. The pagans imagined a class of
beings they called “gods.” But John affirms that God is
one, yet exists in distinct, separate personalities.
The concept is difficult, but the teaching is clear. The
Word (Jesus) existed eternally with God as one God.
Jesus as Creator (1:3). John credits the Word with
Creation. Psalm 19 exalted the created universe for
speaking so plainly of God without language, so that its
message can be “heard” in every language. Additional
testimony is found in Col., which calls Jesus the “image
of the invisible God” and says “all things were created
by Him” (Col. 1:15–17).
Here in John the tense of “were made” (egeneto) implies
a creative act, not a process. Jesus spoke, and the
universe sprang into existence.
Life (1:4). The word zoe is used 36 times by John. This
distinctive term for “life” draws attention to the
vitalizing principle which makes physical life possible
and even more often to eternal life. The saying that
life was “the light of men” means that as the source of
all life, Jesus is the focus of all our hopes.
Light and dark (1:5). These are frequently contrasted by
John, representing not only the forces of good and evil,
but also reality and illusion. The powers of darkness
are ranged against the light revealed in Jesus, but have
proven unable to “overcome” (katelaben is best taken
this way, rather than as “understand”).
“The world” (1:10). Here kosmos suggests the society as
a whole. Christ made humankind and created the biosphere
in which we live. But when He came to join us, humanity
had no awareness of who He was or the significance of
His presence.
All who receive him (1:12–14). But Jesus was recognized
as God incarnate by some! These “received” Him. This
image, receive, is the first John uses to define
“believe.”
If you do not see a gift held out to you, or if you see
it but do not accept it as real, you won’t stretch out
your hand to take it. Believing in Jesus involves seeing
Him presented as God’s Son, accepting that description
as real, and simply stretching out your hand to accept
God’s gift of eternal life. You then become what you
were not: a child of God."
Richards, Larry: The Bible Reader's Companion. Wheaton,
Ill. : Victor Books, 1991, S. 678
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Actually, that's what trinitarians do. I was a trinitarian - then I accepted the fact that it just doesn't add up with scripture."
If that is true, then you have become what the Bible calls a "castaway" (2 Ti 3:8-17). Christians are to try the spirits. Others reject and discard the faith. A proper understanding of Jn 1:1 is necessary.
"† 1:1 — In the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Right at the beginning of his Gospel, John tells us that
Jesus was far more than just a great teacher or a mighty
prophet; in fact, He was God. Jesus is “the express
image” of God’s person (Heb. 1:3).
† 1:14 — And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only
begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Whatever Jesus did, He did with grace. Whatever He said,
He said in truth. He was not gracious some of the time
and less gracious other times, any more than He varied
in the amount of truth He spoke.
† 1:29 — The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him,
and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the
sin of the world!”
Jesus is our Passover Lamb who willingly took the
punishment we deserve (1 Cor. 5:7). God “made Him who
knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the
righteousness of God in Him” (2 Cor. 5:21).
† 2:5 — His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He
says to you, do it.”
Jesus’ mother did not understand everything her Son said
or did, but she understood enough to know that it was
always wise to do what He said. It still is.
† 2:17 — Then His disciples remembered that it was
written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”
The disciples would not have been able to remember this
text (Ps. 69:9) if they were not already familiar with
it. For God to use His Word to encourage and instruct
us, we have to spend time in it.
† 2:22 — … when He had risen from the dead, His
disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and
they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had
said.
Sometimes we hesitate to spend time in God’s Word
because we don’t feel as though we’re getting anything
out of it. But often a text does not “click” in our
minds until some time later.
† 3:17 — “For God did not send His Son into the world to
condemn the world, but that the world through Him might
be saved.”
While Jesus says that all judgment has been committed to
Him (John 5:22), He insists that He did not come to
earth to judge us but to save us. As James says, “Mercy
triumphs over judgment” (James 2:13).
† 3:18 — “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but
he who does not believe is condemned already .… ”
Those who place their faith in Jesus will never be
condemned, because Jesus has already taken their
punishment upon Himself. But those who reject Jesus as
Savior must bear the full penalty of their sins."
Stanley, Charles F.: The Charles F. Stanley Life
Principles Bible : New King James Version. Nashville, TN
: Nelson Bibles, 2005, S. Jn 1:1-3:18
Response to comment [from a pagan]: "'God' is eternally 'One'...relationship between minds...gods are a 'community' where Love can be maximized/experienced in 'mutual association'..."
No. God certainly is love. But God is not good if he does not judge sin. It is wise to know who God is (Jn 1:1). Jesus created the universe. He is the Word.
Verses 1-5
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I haven't rejected Christ--just one fallible model that tries to explain the relationship between Christ and the Father."
What about that relationship? Why did Jesus invade time? The Bible says that Jesus came to reveal the invisible God (Col 1:15). Jesus made known the Father (Jn 1:18). His birth fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah (Isa 7:14).
Jesus came to fulfill God's covenant with David. God promised a perpetual dynasty, the root of Jesse (Isa 11:10) a branch shall grow (Isa 11:1). Jesus' birth fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah (Jer 23:5). God's son invades time for this purpose.
Peter gave a great sermon at Pentecost: Jesus died, he was buried, he rose again. Without the birth of Jesus, the Davidic covenant without not be complete. Only Jesus could save the Davidic line. Only Jesus could invade time to prove this.
Jesus came so that we could become sons of God. God had a requirement of blood for sin. Adam and Eve made some fig leaves. Though it was a nice gesture, God had a different requirement. There was a squeal in the garden for the first time. An animal had to loose its life. The animal skins became a covering (atonement means covering). The life of the flesh was in the blood (Lev 17:11). The penelty for sin could not be paid for by bulls, sheep or man. The sacrifice had to be perfect. It was impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin (Heb 10:4).
Jesus came to do the will of the Father. The Father's requirement was satisfied through him. For our sake, Jesus was made sin, one who knew no sin for us (2 Cor 5:21).
Jesus did not come to give us Christmas or an example. He came to be our Savior. At the right time, God the Father sent his Son (Gal 4:4).
We do not have to thank him only at Christmas. We can thank him anytime (Woodrow Kroll).
"The trinity tries to explain how the Son relates to the Father, not what he came to do for the Father. Namely, they try to assert that the Son, Father, and HS are all 1/3 of God (though they wouldn't use that wording)."
That is not what Trinitarians believe. The Son is not 1/3; the Father is not 1/3; the Holy Spirit is not 1/3 of the godhead. The Father is 100% God. The Son is 100% God. The Holy Spirit is 100% God. It is not 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. It is 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 (Deut 6:4). When we get to heaven and see God, we see one figure on the throne (Re 4:2).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "So, God can die?"
God is eternal (De 33:27; Ps 90:2; Re 4:8-10) and immortal (1Ti 1:17; 6:16).
[Castaway (2 Ti 3:8-17)] "Who is the castaway, him or you? Do not relay of just the English translations for your conclusions. All have errors here and their. So they must be compared. John 1 is a very misunderstood verse. The word "logos" translated into "word" is very misleading. Check out other resources, what do you have to lose...?"
It is always a good idea to compare translations.
"John 1:1 is
probably the strongest passage in the NT for
declaring the deity of Jesus Christ. Because
of this many who deny this biblical
doctrine, especially cultists, have
attempted to undercut it by arguing that
this passage only teaches that Jesus is “a
god” and so not fully Deity. This confused
position falls on at least two grounds. Such
a view is polytheistic, the belief in more
than one god. Second, it betrays a
misunderstanding of Greek grammar. Verse 1
of the first chapter of John reads, “In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God.” The last
portion of 1:1 is the major point of
contention. It reads in the Greek theos en
ho logos, or literally, “the Word was God.”
God, or theos, occurs in this verse without
the Greek article ho, so that some have
contended that the lack of the article in
the Greek text should cause the statement to
be translated “the Word was a god.” The best
understanding for the translation, however,
as recognized by Greek scholars, is that
since theos is a predicate and precedes the
noun logos and a verb, it is natural for it
to occur here without the article. Greek
scholars are agreed that the verse should be
translated as it regularly is in modern and
ancient translations, clearly affirming that
Jesus is indeed God."
Radmacher, Earl D. ; Allen, Ronald Barclay ;
House, H. Wayne: Nelson's New Illustrated
Bible Commentary. Nashville : T. Nelson
Publishers, 1999, S. Jn 1:1
[God or "spokeman of God?"]
"[H]e is a man, not God."
Incorrect. Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. An understanding of Jn 1:1 is necessary.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[T]hat is a fairytale. Jesus is NOT 100% God and 100% man. He is 100% MAN. Your right about understanding John 1. You don't, so I suggest you look at some of the past posts to find out about it. As Pierac would say, "Take off your church glasses and seek truth". Discard tradition and start over."
It is a good idea to go back and understand the beginning of time (Jn 1:1):
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "If God were seen by men, or at least his face, they would die. Men saw Jesus all the time, some even saw him in his glorified state - and yet none died. God revealed himself through Christ by giving him knowledge, power, authority - and through Christ following his will. God did not come down to earth, he sent his Son in his stead. The Father remains in heaven."
Yet, the Father, the Son and the Spirit are one. As Hank Hanegraaff puts it: One What, Three Whose.