The "You Must" Religions

Robert Pate View Post
Calvinism:  You must be predestinated or you will not be saved.

Jesus died for everyone (1 Jn 2:2).
glassjester View Post
Now here's what the Church actually teaches...

Many in the Catholic religion believe that they can pray their loved ones into salvation. They cannot. Each must come to the Lord on his own (Jn 3:7).

Plans and programs do not save (Ga 1:6-8). Jesus saves (Isa 63:9; Eph 5:23). Jesus alone saves (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12).
glassjester View Post
[RCC explained] Just incorrectly.

ad hominem

We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). Roman Catholics deny this (Jude 1:11).

See:

Roman Catholicism

Bard_the_Bowman View Post
You must forgive others (as Jesus said in Matthew 6:14),
You must love God and neighbor (as Jesus said in Luke 10:27-28)
You must repent(as Jesus said in Matthew 4:17)
You must be born again (as Jesus said in John 3:5)
You must obey (as Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 1:8)

Are those not religious things?

"He laid down His life for us. This expression is unique to John (John 10:11, 15, 17, 18; 13:37, 38; 15:13) and speaks of divesting oneself of something. Christian love is self-sacrificing and giving. Christ’s giving up his life for believers epitomized the true nature of Christian love (John 15:12, 13; Phil. 2:5–8; 1 Pet. 2:19–23). we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. God calls Christians to that same standard of love for one another as He had for us (see v. 16a)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1970). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
Robert Pate View Post
Are you aware that John MacArthur is a Calvinist?


I am. I disagree with him (1 Jn 2:2).
Robert Pate View Post
[MacArthur, Calvinist] Maybe you should not quote him. Calvinist do not believe the historical gospel of Jesus Christ.


One doesn't go to heaven or hell based on his belief in Calvinism or Arminianism. One goes to heaven or hell based on a right relationship with Jesus Christ.
Bard_the_Bowman View Post
I don't see how
John 3:7 says "each must come to the Lord on his own."

You don't know this? Jn 3:10

Related:

No Purgatory

[Plans and programs do not save (Ga 1:6-8).] ...I do not believe the Catholic Church teaches that they do.

Catholicism is a work-based religion (Jud 11 ).

See:

Works vs. Faith

Recommended reading

The Pursuit of God by A. W. Tozer
Bard_the_Bowman View Post
[We are saved by grace alone (
Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). Roman Catholics deny this (Jude 1:11). See: Roman Catholicism] Amen. ...Notice the word "alone" isn't found in either of the two verses that you cited...[D]epending on what you mean by "faith alone"...Catholics do not deny anything that you have stated above....[D]epending on what you mean by "faith alone". The link you attached goes to a Calvary Chapel website with some apologetics resources. The information they have on Roman Catholicism is quite easily refuted because of the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, or misconceptions that are found throughout the material. What is being presented as Catholic teaching isn't even really Catholic teaching in much of what they state.  That is too bad. If people want to know about Catholicism they really shouldn't be learning about it from such an inaccurate source. They are just being misled. Peace to you.
Eph 4:14, Is 48:22

...I'm not sure how that relates to the post you were responding to, though...

Jn 8:37

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

...[H]ow about you explain to me how Christ's words in John 3:7 really mean...

No thanks (Mt 7:6). Happy to show the bottom of my shoe at the Great White Throne though (Mk 6:11).

[See: No Purgatory ] Misrepresents and doesn't understand Catholic teaching...

ad hominem Eph 4:14

[Catholicism is a work-based religion (Jud 11 ).] I don't know what you mean by that.

See:

Catholicism

Give your life to Jesus. It's almost midnight (Mt 25:6).

[See: Works vs. Faith] Misrepresents Catholic teaching...

Misrepresents Catholic teaching...

ad hominem Eph 4:14

[We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). Roman Catholics deny this (Jude 1:11). ] LOL!

He who laughs last, laughs best (Pr 1:26).

I get it. Random scripture quoting...

Jn 8:37
Bard_the_Bowman View Post
[Pearls not for you] That is really lame and really arrogant, man. You must what, completely ignore
1 Peter 3:15?
I answer to God not you (Eph 4:14).

I simply pointed out that the content of the message is in error....Is simply a caricature of Catholicism...

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

The Gambler ~ Kenny Rogers

The "You Must" Religions