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"Will we honor the Lord Jesus or praise the pope who denied the sufficiency of Christ and rejected His finished work of redemption?"

Do you think it is wise to have a service in Latin when 99% of the people attending cannot understand the word of God being spoken? What is a church member seeking the Lord supposed to glean?

"My mother is a devout Catholic but she has a major issue with Vatican II (I think it was Vatican II). They got rid of meatless Fridays. So growing up I was not allowed any meat on Fridays."

Count Dracula (atheist) here is a product of Catholic teaching--not an uncommon experience. "Ye shall know them by their fruits (Mt 7:16)."

"Want to explain how your logic could possibly follow? Or are you just trolling?"

The natural result of a work-based faith is lukewarmness (Re 3:14-22). The product, God spits out (Rev 3:15-16). When you are the product of a Bible believing church (e.g. Philadelphia [Re 3:7-13]), your fruits are knowledge of the word of God. J. Vernon McGee wrote on this topic:

“That thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.” This had a background and a local meaning for the people in that day. Being down in the valley, they had difficulty getting water in Laodicea. As I stood there in the ruins, I looked south toward the Phrygian mountains, some of which are very high. I was there around the first of June, and there was still an abundance of snow on top of those mountains. The Laodiceans built an aqueduct to bring that cold water down from the mountains. When it left the mountains, it was ice cold, but by the time it made that trip all the way down the mountains to Laodicea, it was lukewarm. And lukewarm water is not very good.

When the Lord Jesus said to the Laodicean church, “You are neither cold nor hot,” they knew exactly what He was talking about. They had been drinking lukewarm water for years. Water left the mountains ice cold, and it left the springs steaming hot, but when they got it, both were lukewarm, and it was sickening. We like to put a little ice in our water, and many folk drink hot water, but lukewarm water is just not good, my friend. The Lord Jesus said that this church was neither cold nor hot and He would spew it out of His mouth.

A cold church actually means a church that has denied every cardinal doctrine of the faith. It is given over to formality and is carrying on in active opposition to the Word of God and the gospel of Christ. You find today in liberalism that they are in active opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Hot speaks of those with real spiritual fervor and passion like the Christians in Ephesus, although they were even then getting away from their best love. Oh, the Spirit of God had brought them to a high pitch in their personal relationship to Christ!

But the Laodicean church was neither hot nor cold—just lukewarm. Between those positions of hot and cold, you have this lukewarm state. I would say that this is a picture of many, many churches today in the great denominations that have departed from the faith. Many churches—both in and out of these denominations—attempt to maintain a middle-of-the-road position. They do not want to come out flatfootedly for the Word of God and for the great doctrines of the Christian faith. And at the same time, they do not want to be known as a liberal church. So they play footsie with both groups. I have broken fellowship with quite a few men who are extremists in both directions, some extreme fundamentalists and some extreme liberals. And many of these men attempt to play both sides of the street. That is a condition that is impossible. This is the thing that makes the Lord Jesus sick. He very frankly says that He will spew them out of His mouth.

In its beginning Protestantism assumed the position of believing all the great doctrines of the Christian faith. The creeds of all the great historic denominations are wonderful creeds. The Westminster Confession of Faith is unparalleled in my estimation, but it is now largely repudiated by the church that owned it for years. The Heidelberg Catechism is a marvelous confession, but who is following it? Who believes these wonderful creeds in our day? The churches have a form of godliness but are denying the power thereof. They have a name that they live, but they are dead. They are neither hot nor cold—they are lukewarm.

This is the condition of the church today, and unfortunately, it is the condition of a great many so-called fundamental, conservative churches. Thank God that there are many who do not come under this classification. But the thing that is absolutely startling and frightening and fearful is that He says, “I will spue thee out of my mouth.” In other words, “I will vomit you out of my mouth.” Does that sound to you like the church which He’s going to rapture, to whom He says, “I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (John 14:2–3)? I don’t think so. That is the church He draws to Himself, but here is a church He just vomits out because it is lukewarm. Lukewarm water makes you sick at your stomach. I am of the opinion that if He spoke to a lot of churches today, He would say, “You make Me sick at My stomach. You’re professed Christians. You say you love Me. You say it, but you don’t mean it.”

McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 5:921-923

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Why would primarily English speaking perishes wish to return to Latin today?

"Using one person as proof of the collective "fruit" of the entire Catholic Church is ridiculous..."

It would be ridiculous to argue that all Roman Catholics become atheists--which is why I do not make that claim. What I do argue is that it is not uncommon for Catholics (or Protestants) to live ungodly lives. What I do argue is that work-based faiths lead to dead ritual and dead spirituality. Ritual will not lead one to the Lord. Religion keeps one from the Lord.

[Ritual will not lead one to the Lord.] "It has led many to the Lord. If you do not understand this, you are estranged from the very human nature God gave you to apprehend Who He is.

Then why does Jesus rebuke those who practice dead ritual: "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward (Mt 6:5)."

...and vain repetition (e.g. the rosary): "And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words (Mt 6:7)."

It is the difference between religion and relationship. Prayer beads are more similar to Muslim prayer beads than historical, biblical Christianity.

"...Because dead ritual, like faith without works, does not save."

Works are a manifestation of faith. If a man works (a prescription given by churches none of which are biblical) but has no faith (trusts in a church or program not God alone), his works are meaningless. God calls this work in the flesh filthy rags (Isa 64:6).

"Your modern version is grounded in no more than your wish to make Christianity more accommodating to you."

Believers from the beginning of creation had a personal relationship with the Lord. Men descends to dead ritualism.