What Does it Take to Be Saved?
Being saved is no more or less than believing in Jesus (Isa 45:22).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Doctrine of Trinity wrong]
Incorrect (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14).
"No, it is correct. To say otherwise just goes to show that you've never studied early church history or theology."
Let's go back in history. Genesis 1:1:
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc. Christians] "[Y]ou might disagree with their some of their theology, they are Christians according to the Bible."
You can park your Buick in the garage and call it a Ferrari if you'd like. It does not make it so. A Christian is a Christ follower. To follow Jesus, one must know the real Jesus. He is the second member of the Trinity and the Creator: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God (Jn 1:1-2). If you are a member of a cult (e.g. Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness), you will have a problem with this verse. All cults get the deity of Jesus wrong. As Gino Geraci says, "If you get it wrong about Jesus, it doesn't matter what you get right."
Christians believe in certain basics. We can disagree over the color of the carpet in the church or over what music to play, but essential doctrine is clear.
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Response to comment [from a "Christian]: "The question isn't whether the trinity can be supported (it can be to be sure - though whether it's the best explanation is another matter) but whether Christ and his disciples were trinitarians or if it was developed over time by the church after the fact."
The word "trinity" is not in the Bible. To know what that means, we must study the word of God. It was revealed in the Old testament: At Creation (Gen. 1:1–3, 26); In the personality of the Spirit (Is. 40:13; Is. 48:16; By: Divine angel (Judg. 13:8–23); Personification of Wisdom (Prov. 8:22–31); Threefold “Holy” (Is. 6:3); Aaronic benediction (Num. 6:24–27); It was revealed in the New Testament: Revealed in the New Testament: At Christ’s baptism (Matt. 3:16, 17); In: Christ’s teaching (John 14:26; John 15:26); Baptismal formula (Matt. 28:19); Apostolic benediction (2 Cor. 13:14); Apostolic teaching (Gal. 4:4–6).
[Elohim]
"The trinity is not a salvific issue. The trinity is a man made doctrine, developed over the course of several hundreds of years, to explain the relationship between the Son and the Father (HS too, but mostly those two). You'll not find one scripture which says you must believe in God the Son, but plenty about the Son of God."
"It is important for us to understand from the outset that God exists in three Persons. The concept of the Godhead is that God is one yet God is three..." (What does the Bible teach about the Trinity? (http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html).
See:
What does the Bible Teach about the Trinity?
Why does God refer to Himself in the Plural in Genesis 1:26 and 3:22?
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
"The trinity was not believed by the disciples or the early Christians...."
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit inspired the prophets (Heb 1:1; 2Co 13:3; Mr 13:11).
"It was developed over the course of several hundreds of years, as a possible model to explain the relationship between the Father and Son."
Yes, the word "trinity" was the word which came to be used to describe the godhead. Just like "telephone" became the word we use to describe the device used by Alexander Graham Bell.
"It was developed through the interpretation of scripture, such as the one's you provided."
The truth abides continuously with the saints (2Jo 1:2).
"I'm surprised you listed Prov. 8:22-31 however, seeing how that actually was used by Arius to support Arianism."
And Hitler used Wagner's music as an inspiration to kill Jews--your point? (Note: A disclaimer to Cattyfan. Please do not read anything sexual into my comments regarding Adolf Hitler and/or names which may have been given to or associated with him [Titus 1:15]).
[Prov 8:22-31]
"This is a case of reading your theology into scripture. You should derive your theology from scripture, not your interpretation of scripture from predetermined theology. I repeat, weak argument."
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "If Christ truly dies for the sake of every single human being. Which I believe he did. We are already saved, all of us, those who believe and those who do not believe. We're all already saved."
Men are already condemned not saved (Jn 3:18). Those who receive Christ will be saved (Col 2:6).
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "This should work. First declare Jesus to be your personal Savior with this statement: Confessing to God that I am a sinner, and believing that the Lord Jesus Christ died for my sins on the cross and was raised from the dead for my justification, I do now receive Him as my personal Savior and grant him Lordship over my life. Thank you Lord Jesus. You are now saved no matter what you do and that includes joining the Catholic Church where you will also be saved based on their rules.
Does that work? Declare all that and that is it?
"[W]hy wouldn't it?"
Is there anything else that a person must do?
[Ro 11:22], [Jn 15:9-11]
I do not think I will be getting an answer to the question: "Is there anything more that a person must do?"
According to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, a person must be a member of their church to be saved. Roman Catholics teach that they are the one and only church that leads to heaven. People must receive the sacraments: Baptism, Eucharist, Reconciliation, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick. This is not a biblical teaching. According to the Bible, a person need only to believe on the Lord Jesus to be saved--no more--no less. When you add to God's work on the cross, you blaspheme his name. The Roman Catholic Church does not teach the biblical way of salvation. Do you know what God means when he says "Woe!"? Does that sound like something to pay attention to? (Jude 1:11). Roman Catholics teach the way of Cain. It is a false teaching which appeals to the flesh but not to God (Pr 14:12).
"[I]s declaring this all we have to do?"
Believing (not works) saves a person (Ac 16:31). Adding to the gospel changes the gospel making no gospel at all.
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found
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visible
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Catholic
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visible
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truth
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"These Churches" The original word means universal church. Roman Catholics maintain that they are the universal church. In fact, they teach replacement theology--that they replaced Israel. It is a lie. The Roman Catholic Church has not replaced Israel. God keeps his promises.
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [If you believe, then you will want to obey.] "You had better obey..."
Why wouldn't a child of God want to obey the Father he loves? If you are finding obeying the Lord a chore, see if you are in the faith. A labor of love is not labor.
I thought you were referring to your church. According to Roman Catholics, one must attend mass in their church masses to be saved (CCC 1405)--that is your church's teaching not my own. My church hold the Word of God as an authority. Yours does not (CCC par. 82). Furthermore, the Catholic gospel (a false gospel) teaches that it is necessary to do good works to be saved (CCC, 2016), one must receive sacraments (1129), keep the law (2068), buy indulgences (1498) and purgatory (1030). These teachings are not biblical.
"His burden is light, but we must carry it..."
He carried it (Jn 19:30). Did we drink the cup of wrath that he drank? Taking up our cross (Mk 10:21) and following him does not mean blindly accepting everything that the Roman Catholic Church teaches. In fact, that would be turning directly from him and his word. Taste and see (not the Eucharist) Christ (Ps 34:8). As one said, if religion has not changed your life, you'd better change your religion.
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 1324, it is rather the Eucharist that is the "source and summit of the Christian life." It teaches: "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained" in the Eucharist (CCC, 1374). The council of Trent placed a curse or anathema on anyone who does not believe it (Canon 1). Catholics are taught that they must consume the Eucharist because it is a necessary requirement for their salvation (CCC, 1359).
"The Eucharist, in effect, is the central motor of the entire evangelizing action of the church, somewhat like the role of the heart in the human body." Pope Benedict XVI, (CNS, 10/3/05).
"The Eucharist has a cosmic significance, indeed, the transformation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ constitutes the beginning of the divinization of creation itself. In carrying the Eucharist through the streets and squares...Christians proclaim that the Eucharist represents everything for them, it is their very life, the source of love that conquers death." Pope Benedict XVI, (CNA, 6/19/06).
"We cannot separate our lives from the Eucharist; the moment we do, something breaks." Mother Teresa.
"So you now agree that persistent disobedience leads a soul to Hell?"
Disobedience can be forgiven. A person goes to heaven or hell based on their relationship with Jesus. Christianity is not work-based. It is faith-based. When you have faith, you want to work. Works before faith are of the flesh and therefore meaningless.
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [According to Roman Catholics, one must attend mass in their church masses to be saved (CCC 1405)] "That is not true. In order to be saved we must die in the good grace of Jesus."
I know that is not true. We need only to die in a right relationship with Jesus to be saved.
"...[C]hoosing something over worshipping Jesus can be a sin and we should attend mass to give praise and thanks to God."
Choosing something over worshipping Jesus is the sin of idolatry. We should not attend mass because it celebrates his Jesus death. The priest may read the word of God, but how often is the text taken out of context? Does the priest provide a thorough understanding of God's word verse by verse?