Did plants evolve? Did plants evolve?
“The evolutionary sequence of plants is not displayed in the fossil record even though the story is told in textbooks. At least four different evolutionary lines are supposed to have emerged from prehistoric green algae—the common ancestor of all plants. In a recent text on plants, not a single fossil series is provided to support the phylogenetic trees that explain the evolutionary history of plants. The grand claims are laced with words like “probably,” “apparently,” and “presumably.” The places where the fossil record is the most complete should provide the clearest picture of evolution, but this is where many evolutionists disagree. The lack of fossil ancestors for the major groups would seem to be important, but the evolutionists fill in the gaps with imagination, not science. The evidence clearly points to diverse groups created in the supernatural events described in Genesis.” Evolution Exposed, Second, Ed., Did plants evolve? Williams. www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/plants.asp
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "...What we have not yet found is an unreliable hook on which to hang your faith..."
Having faith is believing God (Heb 11:3).
"Since we've directly observed the evolution of new plant species..."
There are no known transitional fossils for major plant groups.
Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Barbarian observes..."
Serpentdove observes that Barbarian likes to refer to
himself in the third person--and that Jimmy likes Elaine.
"We've already established that you refuse to believe what He says in Genesis."
Alleged Certainty.
Please provide your hermeneutic. What reason does scripture give you to spiritualize Genesis 1-11?
"Barbarian notes that the evolution of new plant species has been directly observed..."
Repetition
May Serpentdove recommend a course in logic?
"God says He created life from existing matter. YE creationism says it was from nothing. You can't consistently claim to believe both."
"We don't [need] fossils to show plants have evolved..."
What did you think of Williams' statement regarding the evolutionary history of plants?: "The grand claims are laced with words like “probably,” “apparently,” and “presumably.”" Have you come across this?
"We can be very sure of this because pollen is preserved quite well in rock and angiosperm pollen is distinct from other plant groups."
Why has pollen been found in rocks classified as Precambrian (long before even the earliest plants are supposed to have been present on the earth)?
"[C]an you name some "major plant groups"?"
No. I can't even keep them alive.
I learn as we go along but I appreciate that you can help the rest of us laymen
out in this area.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "X is what probably happened."
X is the product of one's worldview.
[Pollen] "[I]ts small size allows it to be carried into even small cracks by water seepage."
Do symbiotic
relationships represent a kind of Catch-22 for evolution?
"Is he talking about the MAJOR divisions..."
That's correct. He's speaking of major divisions. "The lack of fossil ancestors for the major groups would seem to be important (Williams)." www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/plants.asp
"SD if everything is determined by one's worldview, where then is truth? How would you know which "worldview" was right? Because [you] say that's what the Bible says? Why should we listen to you?"
Don't believe me. Check everything I say against scripture (Pr 6:23; 2 Pe 1:19). Reject everything I say that does not agree with: the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit as well as everything they said and did. These things are true (Ps 119:160; Joh 17:17). Everything else is false (De 4:2; 12:32). There is one truth (Jn 14:6). There aren't versions of truth.
"...[T]his is all far more botany than you can handle."
Plants shudder when I walk by fearing that I might take
them home.
Sexual reproduction would have had to evolve independently in plants and in several different ways. How likely is it that the process of meiosis would evolve many different times in plants, as well as in animals?
"I agree there are not versions of the truth. Why do you keep asserting there are in science?"
Science changes. God's word does not.
See:
[URL="http://vananne.com/evolutionvscreation/Can%20an%20Intellectual%20Believe%20in%20God.htm"]Can
an Intellectual Believe in God? [/URL]by Adrienne Rogers
[URL="http://vananne.com/evolutionvscreation/How%20to%20Know%20the%20Bible%20is%20the%20Word%20of%20God.htm"]How
to Know the Bible is the Word of God[/URL] by Adrienne Rogers
"Do you live in an apartment or do you have a yard? It's really not hard to grow plants."
So you say.
I've grown my first pea pod. You're our specialist here--tell me, how do I get
it out of the ground?
Your pea pod is in the ground? Did you grow peanuts and not peas? :confused: ...I can't say I've ever harvested/grown but there should be a flower stalk still attached to the underground pods to help you find where they are . .
Now that you mention it--I don't know what the heck it
is?
I usually just grab a handful at the grocery store and call it a day.
