Predestination and Time
This is Greek pagan thought. It's not biblical.
See:
Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible.
By Bob Enyart
Predestination and Will: How are predestination and election connected with
foreknowledge?
Your views come from Greek paganism not scripture.
In a similar way that we permeate 3 dimensions.
We permeate (your word) the dimension God has put us in for now. Angels may be around us but we need eyes to see them (2 Ki 6:17).
God permeates even time.
"You keep using that word. I do
not think it means, what you think it means."
~ Inigo Montoya
Time is an interval from one point to another. Time is
real. Choices are real. You aren't living in Back to the Future where you can go
back and steal Biff's almanac.
If Christ was slain from the foundations of the earth (Revelation 13:8 -- the type and shadow of the passover lamb was indicating something real that was already known and accomplished in God even if not seen in time)...
God doesn't have a DVD that he can forward through your life. For example, this is the part where nikolai_42 gets hit by a Mack truck. God sees what is seeable.
...[T]hen how is that not God superseding time?
Am I at a Star Trek convention
or am I on TOL? You want fiction or reality?
God wanted a family. He's calling out a people for his
namesake. He's got some plans for the future that he'll make happen. That's it.
He certainly acts in it but does that mean that act is initiated at that instant?
He can act or not whenever he wants to. He's God.
...[W]hat God decreed before the foundations of the earth is still in effect and unfolding. When dealing with beginnings in our relation to time, it is not something that we can understand.
...From everlasting to everlasting, You are God...
(Ps
90:2b). You should understand your relation
to time. God gave the signs and seasons to help you out (Ge
1:14). You could buy a calendar.
Incidentally, when the moon was born anew they
called it born again.
When Jesus said you must be born again (Jn 3:7), he meant that one must come out
of the darkness and step into the light.
When did God begin?
Think back as far as you can think and then he began before that. What does that have to do with your time?
How is it He has no beginning and no ending? That right there bursts the bounds of time.
That makes God everlasting. You can
say there is no time
or you don't get it and be late for dinner if you'd like.
See how that works out for ya.
Is God "in" space?
You and your
quantum realities and space time continuums.
The flux capacitor is
biblical by the way; but, we can talk about that later.
God can act within time or outside of time...
He can make the sun stand still (Josh
10:13) or freeze everybody in place if
you'd like; but,
the passage of time is still occurring (Re
8:1). We don't need alarm clocks in heaven
if that's what you mean.
God can act within time or outside of time...
When he gets up from his holy habitation, the mercy
seat (Heb.
9:5–12,
Re 8:1) that's
the end of the Church Age/Age of Grace.
Once something has happened in time it doesn't change. It is fixed.
Tell Hezekiah that (Is
38:5).
Fate comes from Greek pagan thought, as well.
But in eternity (which comprises higher dimensions as Daniel's vision examples) things are more complex - we simply aren't capable of understanding it because we can't think "beyond" the bounds of time.
God heard Daniel (Dan 10:12) but it took 21 days (actual days not pretend days) for the messenger to get to him (Dan 10:13).
So God's having always existed doesn't compute.
God is the one being who didn't have a beginning. You and I had beginnings. Parents had to change our diapers. No one had to change God's diapers (until he became a man and then Mary had to change his diapers).
God is very real, very present and very active in time. But He is also beyond it.
He is infinite, eternal--from everlasting to everlasting [Ps 90:2b] (no beginning or starting point of existence [<--->]). You and I are immortal [Ge 9:6] (a beginning, had a starting point and then live on into eternity [--->]).
I never said there is no time. Our relationship to time and God's relationship to time are not the same thing.
Since God has been around forever, a day to him
seems like a thousand years (2
Pe 3:8). Since we haven't been around as long, a
day to us seems like a day (Re
6:10).
"I've learned that life is like a roll of toilet
paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes." ~ Andy Rooney
I can't spare a square ~ Elaine, Seinfeld
