Trinity Believers, Repent and be Saved

Response to comment [from a "Christian"] [trinity]

The doctrine of the trinity is a Christian essential and it's biblical (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).  If Jesus is not the second person of the trinity, who was he?  An angel? 

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "Are people really suggesting that one opinion of the Trinity means the difference between being saved or not?"

Belief in the Jesus of scripture saves (Mt 24:24).

Response to comment [from other]:  "What about Catholics?"

Catholics teach that a priest can call Jesus down onto an alter to be sacrificed again.  This is not biblical (Heb 10:15-18, Jn 19:30).  Only the Jesus of scripture saves.  We do not hold God in our hands.  He holds us.  

See:

No Sacrifice

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  [trinity]

You will not understand the Bible until you accept the Jesus of the Bible (the second person of the trinity, the one who spoke and the universe leapt into existence, the creator of the heavens and the earth [John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14]). 

Understand Jn 1:1-3.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "What do you think, Chalmer Wren?"

I think he should run in the opposite direction as you.  You are a false teacher, denying the deity of Jesus (1 Jn 4:3).  What a man "thinks" is less important than what God has said.  The witness of God is greater than the witness of men (1 Jn 5:9). 

You can lie to him all day long, exchanging opinions.  But if he repents and receives Christ as savior, your witness will become irrelevant.  Men lie.  God doesn't (1 Jn 5:9). 

If he wants to know if Jesus is the Son of God, he can ask the Holy Spirit (Jn 1:1-3).  A Christian with a witness in his heart is never at the mercy of a man with an argument in his mouth (1 Jn 5:10) [Rogers].       

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent [John 17:3].
"Does election shut out certain people? No. Life eternal is to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Do you have a desire to know the true God and Jesus Christ? Then you are not shut out. You must be one of the elect. He gives eternal life to those who have heard the call and have responded down in their hearts. They have come to Christ of their own free will.

 

“That they might know thee.” It is not the amount of knowledge you have, but the kind of knowledge that is important. It is whom you know. Do you know Jesus Christ? In the same way, it is not the amount of faith you have but the kind of faith that is important. There is a song called “Only Believe.” Only believe what? Only believe in the only One, the Lord Jesus Christ. I quote Spurgeon again: “It is not thy joy in Christ that saves thee. It is Christ. It is not thy faith in Christ, though that be the instrument. It is Christ’s blood and merit.” It is Christ who saves. One can believe in the wrong thing. It is the object of faith which is so important. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ.” Now faith comes by hearing, hearing the Word of God. What does the Word of God say? The gospel is that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. Those are the facts. Our knowledge of the facts and our response to that knowledge is faith. Faith is trusting Christ as our own Savior.

 

Life eternal is to know God and to know Jesus Christ. Jesus is His name as Savior, and Christ is His title—the Messiah, the King of Israel. To know Him means to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ. When we move on in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, we come to the place of assurance. Anyone without the assurance of salvation is either unsaved or is just a babe in Christ. They need to move on to the place where they know that they are saved. Life eternal is to know the only genuine God and to know Jesus Christ. This is the reason that the study of the Word of God is so important. Many people stay on the fringe of things and are never sure they are saved."
McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:478-479). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "Jesus has a God, God doesn't."

Jesus has a God and is God.  That is the relationship between the Godhead.  Jesus is the second person of the trinity.  He preexisted (Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11). 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "If you read this it may open your eyes and unstop your stuck mind..."

Clever arguments will not change the fact that Jesus is the second person of the trinity  (Jn 1:1-3).  He is divine  

As Jehovah, Isa. 40:3, with Matt. 3:3; Jehovah of glory, Psa. 24:7, 10, with 1 Cor. 2:8; Jas. 2:1; Jehovah our righteousness, Jer. 23:5, 6, with 1 Cor. 1:30; Jehovah above all, Psa. 97:9, with John 3:31; Jehovah the first and the last, Isa. 44:6, with Rev. 1:17; Isa. 48:12–16, with Rev. 22:13; Jehovah’s fellow and equal, Zech. 13:7; Phil. 2:6; Jehovah of Armies, Isa. 6:1–3, with John 12:41; Isa. 8:13, 14, with 1 Pet. 2:8; Jehovah, Psa. 110:1, with Matt. 22:42–45; Jehovah the shepherd, Isa. 40:10, 11; Heb. 13:20; Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created, Prov. 16:4, with Col. 1:16; Jehovah the messenger of the covenant, Mal. 3:1, with Luke 7:27. Invoked as Jehovah, Joel 2:32, with 1 Cor. 1:2; as the eternal God and Creator, Psa. 102:24–27, with Heb. 1:8, 10–12; the mighty God, Isa. 9:6; the great God and Savior, Hos. 1:7, with Tit. 2:13; God over al, Rom. 9:5; God the Judge, Eccl. 12:14, with 1 Cor. 4:5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; Emmanuel, Isa. 7:14, with Matt. 1:23; King of kings and Lord of lords, Dan. 10:17, with Rev. 1:5; 17:14; the Holy One, 1 Sam. 2:2, with Acts 3:14; the Lord from heaven, 1 Cor. 15:47; Lord of the sabbath, Gen. 2:3, with Matt. 12:8; Lord of all, Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:11–13; Son of God, Matt. 26:63–67; the only begotten Son of the Father, John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9. His blood is called the blood of God, Acts 20:28. One with the Father, John 10:30, 38; 12:45; 14:7–10; 17:10. As sending the Spirit equally with the Father, John 14:16, with John 15:26. As unsearchable equally with the Father, Prov. 30:4; Matt. 11:27. As Creator of all things, Isa. 40:28; John 1:3; Col. 1:16; supporter and preserver of all things, Neh. 9:6, with Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3. Acknowledged by Old Testament saints, Gen. 17:1, with Gen. 48:15, 16; 32:24–30, with Hos. 12:3–5; Judg. 6:22–24; 13:21, 22; Job 19:25–27.  Unclassified scripture:  Ex. 23:20, 21; Psa. 24:10 1 Cor. 2:8; Psa. 45:6, 7 Heb. 1:8. Isa. 6:1 John 12:41. Isa. 8:13, 14 1 Pet. 2:8. Isa. 9:6 Tit. 2:13. Isa. 40:3, 9, 10 Matt. 3:3. Mal. 3:1 Matt. 11:10. Matt. 1:23 Isa. 7:14. Matt. 8:29 Luke 8:28. Matt. 9:6; Matt. 22:43–45 Psa. 110:1. Matt. 28:17, 18; Mark 5:6, 7; Luke 4:12, 33, 34; Luke 9:43, 44; John 1:1, 2; John 5:17, 18, 21–23; John 10:30–33; John 12:45; John 20:28; Acts 7:37–39; Acts 20:28; Rom. 1:7 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Col. 1:2; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2. Rom. 9:5; 1 Cor. 8:6; 1 Cor. 10:9 Num. 21:6. 1 Cor. 15:47; Gal. 1:1, 3; Eph. 1:2; Eph. 6:23; Phil. 2:6 vs. 5–11.; 1 Thess. 3:11; 2 Thess. 2:16, 17; 1 Tim. 3:16; Tit. 2:13; Heb. 1:8, 10 Psa. 102:24–27; vs. 1–14, with Gen. 1:1.1 John 5:20).

If you doubt this fact, ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you.  Ask the Holy Spirit:  "Who is Jesus?"  God's witness is stronger than your witness (1 Jn 5:10).  This is why--try as you might--you cannot convince a Christian that Jesus has a different identity as his identify presented in scripture.  Believe the Bible. 

There is nothing more to say to you until you come to an understanding of Jn 1:1-3.  You will not understand the rest of scripture.  

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "Jesus said that he is the Son of God."

Why don't you keep your false argument in one thread.  Jn 1:1-3 will remain after you are long gone.  Jesus is the second person of the trinity.

He is the Son of God and God (Psa. 2:7; Psa. 89:26, 27; Matt. 3:17 Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22. Matt. 4:3, 6; Matt. 10:40; Matt. 11:27 Luke 10:22. Matt. 14:33; Matt. 15:13; Matt. 16:15–17; Matt. 17:5 Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35; 2 Pet. 1:17. Matt. 18:10, 19; Matt. 20:23; Matt. 21:37 Luke 20:13. Matt. 26:53, 63, 64; Matt. 27:43, 54; Mark 1:1; Mark 3:11; Mark 5:7 Luke 8:28. Mark 14:61, 62; Mark 15:39; Luke 1:32, 35; Luke 4:3, 9, 41; Luke 9:35; Luke 10:22; Luke 22:29, 70 Mark 14:61. John 1:1, 2, 14, 18, 34, 49, 50; John 3:16–18, 34–36; John 5:19–21, 23, 26, 27, 30, 32, 36, 37; John 6:27, 38, 40, 46, 57, 69; John 7:16, 28, 29; John 8:16, 19, 26–29, 38, 40, 42, 49, 54; John 9:35–37; John 10:15, 17, 18, 29, 30, 36–38; John 11:4, 27, 41; John 12:49, 50; John 13:3; John 14:7, 9–11, 13, 16, 20, 24, 28, 31; John 15:1, 8–10, 23, 24; John 16:5, 15, 27, 28, 32; John 17:1 vs. 1–26.; John 19:7; John 20:17, 21, 31; Acts 3:13; Acts 13:33; Rom. 1:3, 4, 9; Rom. 8:3, 29, 32; 1 Cor. 1:9; 1 Cor. 15:24, 27, 28; 2 Cor. 1:3, 19; Gal. 1:16; Gal. 4:4; Eph. 1:3; Eph. 3:14; Col. 1:3, 15, 19; Col. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:10; Heb. 1:1–3, 5; Heb. 4:14; Heb. 5:5, 8, 10; Heb. 6:6; Heb. 7:3; Heb. 10:29; 1 John 1:7; 1 John 2:22–24; 1 John 3:8, 23; 1 John 4:9, 10, 14; 1 John 5:5, 9, 10, 13, 20; 2 John 3; Rev. 2:18).

Understand "Son of God" and "Son of Man":

"Son of God — The plural, “sons of God,” is used (Gen. 6:2, 4) to denote the pious descendants of Seth. In Job 1:6; 38:7 this name is applied to the angels. Hosea uses the phrase (1:10) to designate the gracious relation in which men stand to God.
In the New Testament this phrase frequently denotes the relation into which we are brought to God by adoption (Rom. 8:14, 19; 2 Cor. 6:18; Gal. 4:5, 6; Phil. 2:15; 1 John 3:1, 2). It occurs thirty-seven times in the New Testament as the distinctive title of our Saviour. He does not bear this title in consequence of his miraculous birth, nor of his incarnation, his resurrection, and exaltation to the Father’s right hand. This is a title of nature and not of office. The sonship of Christ denotes his equality with the Father. To call Christ the Son of God is to assert his true and proper divinity. The second Person of the Trinity, because of his eternal relation to the first Person, is the Son of God. He is the Son of God as to his divine nature, while as to his human nature he is the Son of David (Rom. 1:3, 4. Comp. Gal. 4:4; John 1:1–14; 5:18–25; 10:30–38, which prove that Christ was the Son of God before his incarnation, and that his claim to this title is a claim of equality with God).
When used with reference to creatures, whether men or angels, this word is always in the plural. In the singular it is always used of the second Person of the Trinity, with the single exception of Luke 3:38, where it is used of Adam.
Son of man — (1.) Denotes mankind generally, with special reference to their weakness and frailty (Job 25:6; Ps. 8:4; 144:3; 146:3; Isa. 51:12, etc.).
(2.) It is a title frequently given to the prophet Ezekiel, probably to remind him of his human weakness.
(3.) In the New Testament it is used forty-three times as a distinctive title of the Saviour. In the Old Testament it is used only in Ps. 80:17 and Dan. 7:13 with this application. It denotes the true humanity of our Lord. He had a true body (Heb. 2:14; Luke 24:39) and a rational soul. He was perfect man." 
Easton, M. (1996, c1897). Easton's Bible dictionary. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "[S]o Jesus wasn't a God when he died but now he is?"

No, that is the Jesus of Mormonism, not the Jesus of scripture. 

Jesus preexisted (Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11).

He is the creator of the heavens and the earth ( John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14).

He is God, the second member of the trinity (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit have divine titles (Ex 20:2; Joh 20:28; Ac 5:3,4).

There is one God, in three persons.  Each is eternal (Ro 16:26; Re 22:13; Heb 9:14).

False teachings about the trinity:

Tri-Theism:
Modern Example: Mormonism - Jesus was a created being and the Spirit-brother of Lucifer, who became a god. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods and we too can become gods.

Modalism (also Sabellianism, Modalistic Monarchianism):
Modern Example: United Pentecostal Church - "Jesus only", there is only one God who manifests himself in three modes. God is essentially playing different roles and the assumption is that in the Old Testament he revealed himself as the Father, in the New Testament God reveals himself as Jesus, and in the church-age as Holy Spirit.

Arianism (Dynamic Monarchianism):
Modern Example: Jehovah's Witnesses - Denying the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Jesus was a created being adopted by God, and the Holy Spirit is simply the power of God or a force..."  full text:  http://www.thecityaustin.com/sermon/the-trinity/

"Neither Jesus nor his apostles knew that Jesus was God nor that the Holy Spirit was God either."

You just do not know the God of the Bible.  If you do not see Jesus in scripture, keep reading (Col 1:19, Jn 14:9, Jn 10:30, Mt 16:16-17).  If you would like to know who Jesus really is, ask the Holy Spirit.  He can make him real to you.

"The OT Jews were neither toughed, corrected nor rebuked for not knowing Trinity..."

"The First Verse
It is vitally important, if we would ever really fully understand anything in the Bible, or in the world in general, that we first understand the teaching of Genesis 1:1. Consider, therefore, each word in this all-important declaration.
1 “God”
This first occurrence of the divine name is the Hebrew Elohim, the name of God which stresses His majesty and omnipotence. This is the name used throughout the first chapter of Genesis. The im ending is the Hebrew plural ending, so that Elohim can actually mean “gods,” and is so translated in various passages referring to the gods of the heathen (e.g., Psalm 96:5).
However, it is clearly used here in the singular, as the mighty name of God the Creator, the first of over two thousand times where it is used in this way. Thus Elohim is a plural name with a singular meaning, a “uni-plural” noun, thereby suggesting the uni-plurality of the Godhead. God is one, yet more than one."
Morris, H. M. (1976). The Genesis record : A scientific and devotional commentary on the book of beginnings. Includes indexes. (39). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "[Y]our church isn't mediator between God and man Jesus is the sooner you get a grip on that the sooner you will be on the right road."

I am not a Catholic.  You must be thinking of the false Roman Catholic teaching that man needs a priest between himself and God.  Biblical Christians do not believe this.  

See:

No Mediator

Trinity Believers Repent and Be Saved