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Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Hilary Rosen is a typical female democrat. Ignorant and a control freak."

Homosexuality is: forbidden (Lev. 18:22), considered an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24), punishment for (Lev. 20:13), unclean (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).

Is Ann Romney

an asset to the campaign? If her husband believes that there will still be polygamy in heaven

is that problem for you? They have all those kids. Mom will be one of many wives in heaven?

Are these American family values?

"...[T]here is no marriage in heaven. Not at all. I know the Mormons have a very sophisticated complex deal about eternal marriages; it's just so much hog-wash. There are no marriages in heaven. Marriage is a part of this passing scheme..." Full text: Reasons for Remaining Single, Part 1 1 Corinthians 7:25-31 by John MacArthur

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I certainly have nothing against Mrs. Romney staying home and raising her children. But having done so with the help and security of a very wealthy husband, it does tend to make me suspect that she will have little personal understanding of what most American women experience as they try to raise their own children."

She is rich and chose to raise her children. Poor women can choose to raise their children, too. Men and women who take their God-given responsibility seriously find away to raise their own kids (Pr 22:6).

"I believe being a mom is the toughest, most demanding job there is. I'm 75 years old and speak with my children every day, they call me. I am on call 24/7 until the day I die! Thanks be to God!"

Prov 31:28.

Wonder if Ann Romney's kids will feel the same (Jer 9:14; 1 Pe 1:18, Eze 20:18; Am 2:4).

"We have to respect women in all of these choices that they make."

~ Ann Romney

2 Pe 2:1

Marriage is illustrative of God's union with the Jewish nation (Isa 54:5; Jer 3:14; Ho 2:19,20) and Christ's union with his church (Eph 5:23,24,32).

Should God have made a covenant with all the pagan nations? Should Jesus have been a universalist? Jn 14:6

[Rich Ann Romney] "That doesn't typically mean the same thing if you're rich. No cleaning, cooking, or diaper changing. It's a world of cooks, nannies, maids and "quality time".]

Leftists envy the rich (Ro 1:29, Tit 3:3). The party of give me... give me... give me... gets the votes (Jas 3:16).

[Leftists envy the rich (Ro 1:29, Tit 3:3). The party of give me... give me... give me... gets the votes (Jas 3:16). :Commie:] "Among the funny things about your flying off the handle here: I grew up in with a nanny, maid, etc."

"...[W]ay to swing for the fences, even if the ball is in the dirt....[I]t helps if you know what you're talking about before you start talking."

Your profile says: "more left than right". What does "more left than right" mean to you?

"You do realize that a not insignificant number of the wealthy are Democrats and leftists, odd as that is past a point."

[Lie of the day (Ingraham)] "Re: I'm not a leftist...Finally, we can laugh at you together..."

"We could, I suppose, take it issue by issue, but you won't because it would defeat your declarative purpose."

[What does "more left than right" in your profile mean to you?] "It means two things: 1. Knight doesn't have a moderate designation so it's either more left than right, which is misleading, or more right than left, which would be misleading..."

"...2. In those political orientation tests that circulate every year or so I end up just left of dead center within the moderate designation..."

"I've only known two things to be found in the middle of the road--yella' lines and roadkill."

~ Dr. Larry Bates

"So that, in the hands of an assumptive fanatic like yourself, becomes an ongoing bit of nonsense."

[Democrats and Leftists are rich, too. Serpentdove quote: "Why is that odd? 1Ti 6:4"] "You said the left was envious, without qualification, so you tell me."

This is a trait of the Left (Ro 1:29, Tit 3:3). Their policies reflect it (Jas 3:16, Jn 10:10).

As with other issues--it's not male vs. female, black vs. white, rich vs. poor--it's Left vs. Right (Eccl 10:2).

"Moderation, which consists in an indifference about little things, and in a prudent and well-proportioned zeal about things of importance, can proceed from nothing but true knowledge, which has its foundation in self-acquaintance.” ~ Plato"

"Be moderate in everything, including moderation." ~ Horace Porter

"My dead guy trumps your folksy, faux man of the people guy."

"That you think that scripture underscores your point more than mine is actually the funniest bit you've unintentionally tapped out..."

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Remember how the radicals have changed..."

"They now believe that policies proposed by Ronald Reagan are "socialistic" and "class warfare."

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "This envy] is a trait of the Left [sic]"

You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). Envy, a trait of the Left (Ro 1:29, Tit 3:3).

"So you claimed. And I noted that many of those on the left are well off, which doesn't tend to invite that envy."

You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). Their policies reflect this (Jas 3:16, Jn 10:10).

Weren't you just going on and on about your use of scripture somehow being superior to my own?

TH quote: "That you think that scripture underscores your point more than mine is actually the funniest bit you've unintentionally tapped out..."

Mk 13:11

"That's certainly the meanest reading of it..."

God has a lot to say about fools. They: are men without knowledge of God (Tit 3:3), deny God (Ps 14:1, 53:1), blaspheme God (Ps 74:18), reproach God (Ps 74:22), make a mock at sin (Pr 14:9), despise instruction (Pr 1:7; 15:5), hate knowledge (Pr 1:22, delight not in understanding (Pr 18:2), sport themselves in mischief (Pr 10:23), walk in darkness (Ec 2:14), hate to depart from evil (Pr 13:19) and their worship is evil (Ec 5:1). Torrey, R.A.: The New Topical Text Book : A Scriptural Text Book for the Use of Ministers, Teachers, and All Christian Workers. Oak Harbor, WA : Logos research Systems, Inc., 1995, c1897

Recognize yourself in there

or are you still trying to wield the sword of the Spirit?

"...Doesn't mean either is true though."

What is your source of truth?

[Moderation quote] "A better attack would have been Thomas Paine's "Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice."

We all studied Plato in college.

When you are finished with the wisdom of man,

try the wisdom of God. 1 Co 2:2

"Otherwise, only if you're bright enough to recognize that the Greek pagan (that having nothing to do with the observation, which isn't religious) is in a different intellectual league from your good doctor."

[You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).] "I did. It rarely has any actual linkage and is offered as a means of giving your declarations authority they lack as rational posits."

TH quote: "I noted that many of those on the left are well off, which doesn't tend to invite that envy."

SD quote: "You believe that rich people don't tend to want more money? Ec 5:10

[Leftist's policies reflect their greed (Jas 3:16)] "No, only the meanest reading of them..."

[Weren't you just going on and on about your use of scripture somehow being superior to my own?

Mk 13:11. "TH quote: "That you think that scripture underscores your point more than mine is actually the funniest bit you've unintentionally tapped out..." :freak: Mk 13:11] "[T]hat's not the point made there...I would say and use this as an example/illustration that I'm much more rational than you are."

[It's not mean. It's accurate.] "You're misunderstanding my usage. Meanest, not mean. As in lacking proper distinction and evidencing a want of discrimination (by which I mean discernment and not racially motivated and inequitable action )..."

Because you're always so clear.

I'm thankful you are talking to us here at TOL

because you are not in a courtroom filled with people.

This is my service to humanity (1 John 4:4).

"And it's only an accurate illustration of your particular bias."

[Do you recognize your leftist tendencies?] "I recognized your malice and spite..."

Ad hominem.

"Know Thyself." ~ Socrates‎--another Greek pagan.

We only want to make you happy.

[Going on and on about being a moderate, pride about this fact] "No, that's just you applying a negative description..."

[When you are finished with the wisdom of man,

try the wisdom of God.] "When you're finished with unsupported inferential insult you should try being rational."

They: are men without knowledge of God (Tit 3:3), deny God (Ps 14:1, 53:1), blaspheme God (Ps 74:18), reproach God (Ps 74:22), make a mock at sin (Pr 14:9), despise instruction (Pr 1:7; 15:5), hate knowledge (Pr 1:22, delight not in understanding (Pr 18:2), sport themselves in mischief (Pr 10:23), walk in darkness (Ec 2:14), hate to depart from evil (Pr 13:19) and their worship is evil (Ec 5:1). Torrey, R.A.: The New Topical Text Book : A Scriptural Text Book for the Use of Ministers, Teachers, and All Christian Workers. Oak Harbor, WA : Logos research Systems, Inc., 1995, c1897

You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). I'll choose Christ, the Great Physician (Lk. 5:12-15).

"You didn't. You chose a man of lesser intelligence and worth than Plato..."

"I'll" is a contraction referring to the future (in this case daily and future). Did you say that you went to college?

[Moderate] "Christ would have been a first rate quote. But then, he wouldn't have made your point."

Because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out [lit. vomit

] of My mouth (Re 3:16).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I don't know a whole lot about it, so this is just a humble cowpoke's opinion, but I think she was wrong to say stuff like that about a mother. Being a mother is one of the hardest and most admirable things a woman can do. I respect stay at home mothers and I value their sacred contribution to society. God bless mothers."

That's right.

Mother's Day is coming up people.

Don't forget--pretend that you care.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed today?"

I don't work for Hallmark.

How many mothers do you know who are God-fearing? Eze 20:18.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [Mothers] "[I]t is the most important job there is."

"When they get old they have grandchildren at their feet. Do you know what that is like?"

No. Are you old with grandchildren at your feet? Do they pretend

that you're special?

Eze 20:18

May they change your diapers and oatmeal with the utmost of care.

Honor (lit. to pay for) Ex 20:12

"Most people die by 30 but we don't bury them 'til 65 or so."

~ Mark Twain

"Most of the time we are either taking care of somebody or being taken care of."

What is your legacy? Jude 11

They may say nice things about you at your funeral

but we'll all know the truth about you at The Great White Throne Judgment.

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest [Eccl. 9:10].

"It is certainly true that the body in the grave can no longer hold a hammer in its hand. The brain is no longer able to study or perform any mental chores. Solomon is speaking only of the body. “Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might.” He is talking about the hand, not the soul. It is the hand that will be put into the grave. If you are a child of God, you will go into the presence of the Lord. If you are not a child of God, you will go to the place of the dead until you are raised to be judged at the Great White Throne. This life does not end it all." McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 3:130

"How do you tell someone, that you care about, deeply, I told you so."

~ Michael Scott, The Office

"[W]ho is going to take care of you?"

Jesus (Ruth 1:16, Matt. 6:25–34). I'm With You - Nichole Nordeman and Amy Grant

You may fool your grandchildren but you don't fool God (Ro 3:12, 3:23). Payday someday (Jud 11).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Integrity] "Let the reader decide."

You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). Let the reader decide (1 Cor. 2:6, 7).

"Well, for themselves, of course. But the truth doesn't rely on a hand count, SD."

No need to take a vote. Anyone can review these posts.

You justify misquoting others. Ends justify the means? Your English 101 teacher would not be proud. Ellipsis (…) are so useful.

It's not too late to admit that you were wrong (queue crickets...)

"You're childish and under thought..."

Ad hominem

"...struggle is in your comprehension..."

Ad hominem

"You went on about fools and then asked if I saw myself..."

I'm a hopeful kind of person. 1 Co 13:7

"Your signature line underscores it."

What's wrong with my signature?

"I wrote: Most people don't have a college degree."

Right.

[Thank God not everyone went to college] "That about sums you up."

How so?

[A review of fools in scripture] "More illustration of that nature and practice I commented on."

You're projecting again.

"Because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out [lit. vomit ] of My mouth"

Lookie, you almost did it.

Because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out [lit. vomit ] of My mouth (Re 3:16).

Just add the little ellipsis (...) on the end and you become an ethical writer.

"You aren't God, to usurp His prerogative had you anything like a point of honest merit, which you don't."

You boasted about being a moderate. If you believe that God adores lukewarm men, you will now convince us with a bible verse.

Obama: “When I think about what Michelle had to do, when I think about my own mom [an atheist Eze 20:18], a single mom who raised me and my sister [He went to Harvard? ] That’s work. Anyone who would argue otherwise probably needs to rethink their statement.” Source

Obama did not distance himself from the class warfare portion of Rosen's comments.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [You removed the scripture from my quote.] "Did I?"

You did (Eph 4:14). It's ok to make a mistake. What's not ok is doubling down when your error is pointed out. A summary of the argument is available here.

[You justify misquoting others.] "I not only don't justify it, I don't do it. So that's a twofer then."

Let the reader decide (Pr 10:8,14; Ec 10:12).

[Ends justify the means? ] "You think so?"

That was a question.

"[O]bserving an apparently deep seated insecurity."

Ad hominem

[Just add the little ellipsis (...) on the end and you become an ethical writer. ] "I get that you don't get it...have you another point?"

You're not going to quote people accurately. This is you choice but people need to know this about you.

[You boasted about being a moderate.] "I noted it, to be certain. I appreciate that you find the designation sufficiently elevated to be considered a boast."

I don't--which is why I refuted your point with Re 3:16. You removed the scripture from that quote without making use of ellipsis (...) [Eph 4:14].

Because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out [lit. vomit ] of My mouth (Re 3:16).

"[If you believe that God adores lukewarm men, you will now convince us with a bible verse. :peach:] "...I don't confuse your judgment or ways with His."

I judge that he does not value lukewarmness of character in men as you (Pr 31:9, Re 3:16). When your values don't line up with God's values [lit. want to make God upchuck ]--you are wrong. He is not.

[Misquoting me (Eph 4:14).] "So I did."

Right.

[It's ok to make a mistake.] "It wasn't. I told you what I thought of your use [of scripture] and its relation to your remarks."

Disagreeing with me justifies your misquotations? Did you ever answer the "ends justify the means" question?

[This is your choice but people need to know this about you.] "If they can read[,] they read my thoughts on your practice and my response to it."

We're all just trying to figure out the Leftist's brain (Eccl 10:2, Jn 3:19).

[Boasting about being a moderate and Re 3:16] "No. You misapprehended what a moderate is..."

We never really got to define moderate.

"...[A]nd attempted to cobble an unrelated bit of scripture onto it to justify your want to sink teeth."

Ad hominem. There are plenty of other scriptures to consider (Jer. 9:3. Ezek. 13:5; Ezek. 16:30; Hos. 6:4; Hos. 10:2; Hag. 1:2 vs. 4–11;; Hag. 2:15, 16. Matt. 26:41; Rev. 2:4; Rev. 3:2, 15, 16).

"I resisted the misuse."

A picture of you starts to emerge (Lev. 23:26–29; Lev. 26:21 vs. 22–24.; Deut. 29:19–21; 1 Sam. 15:23; Job 9:2, 4; Job 24:13; Job 33:14; Psa. 7:11, 12 v. 13.; Psa. 10:3; Psa. 32:9; Psa. 50:17, 21; Psa. 52:1, 7; Psa. 58:3–5; Psa. 68:21; Psa. 78:8; Psa. 81:11, 12; Psa. 82:5; Psa. 95:8 Heb. 3:8. Psa. 106:24, 25; Psa. 107:11, 12; Prov. 1:24–31; Prov. 11:3; Prov. 15:10, 32; Prov. 19:16; Prov. 21:29; Prov. 26:11; Prov. 28:13, 14; Prov. 29:1; Eccl. 8:11, 13; Isa. 26:10; Isa. 28:12; Isa. 32:9–11; Isa. 42:22–25; Isa. 46:12, 13; Isa. 48:4, 8; Isa. 57:11; Isa. 65:12, 15 Isa. 66:4. Jer. 3:10 vs. 7–9.; Jer. 5:21–24; Jer. 6:10, 16, 17, 19; Jer. 7:13, 14, 24, 28 vs. 13–34;; Jer. 11:8; 25:4; 26:4–6; 32:33; 35:14–17; Zech. 1:4. Jer. 8:5–7, 20 vs. 4–22.; Jer. 12:11; Jer. 13:17, 27 v. 15;; Jer. 19:15. Jer. 14:10 vs. 1–16.; Jer. 15:6, 7; Jer. 16:12; Jer. 17:23; Jer. 18:12 Jer. 2:25. Jer. 22:21; Jer. 29:19; Jer. 44:10, 16, 17; Ezek. 2:5; Ezek. 3:5–7, 19, 26 vs. 1–11;; Ezek. 2:4; 33:9. Ezek. 12:2; Ezek. 20:8, 13, 21; Ezek. 33:4, 5; Dan. 9:13; Hos. 4:17; Hos. 5:4; Hos. 7:13, 15; Hos. 11:2, 7; Zech. 7:11–13 vs. 4–14.; Mal. 2:2, 17; Matt. 11:16–19 [Luke 7:35.] Matt. 11:20, 21 vs. 20–24;; Matt. 12:41, 42; Luke 10:13. Matt. 13:15; Matt. 23:37, 38 Luke 13:34. Matt. 24:38, 39, 48–51; Matt. 27:4, 25; Mark 3:5; Luke 13:1–3 v. 5.; Luke 16:31; Acts 7:51; Rom. 2:4, 5; 2 Cor. 12:21; Heb. 12:17; Rev. 2:5, 16, 21, 22; Rev. 3:3; Rev. 9:20, 21; Rev. 16:9, 21).

"I judge that he does not value lukewarmness of character in men as you."

You removed the scripture from my quote. I judge that he does not value lukewarmness of character in men as you (Pr 31:9, Re 3:16).

"I'm comfortable with any objective comparison between us and my character has survived better attempts at libel to no real damage."

Ad hominem. I don't libel you. You libel yourself (Pr 10:8,14; Ec 10:12).

"When your values don't line up with God's values...you are wrong. He is not."

When your values don't line up with God's values [lit. want to make God upchuck ]--you are wrong. He is not.
You did it. You used ellipsis (…) when quoting me!
I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so proud of you! Never let it be said that blood-sucking lawyers cannot change.

"Sounds so smart, like you graduated college
Like you went to Yale, but you probably went to Howard" ~ Make me Proud, Drake

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "You are my density." - George McFly

"My density has popped me to you." ~ George McFly, Back to the Future

Ann Romney flap: Stay-at-home moms are worth $112,000, study says

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "A misquote would be altering your meaning."

You misquoted me. The use of ellipses (…) would be proper.

"I didn't do that."

If that's true; why when discussing the subject of your misquoting me did you respond: "So I did." "So I did." Eph 4:14

"It isn't a misquote if, say, I choose to reproduce one point from a number of points to discuss."

"If it makes you happy, then I'm happy too..." ~ Bodeans

"It isn't misquoting you to not include a citation to what you believe is a supporting authority."

The use of ellipses (...) would have been proper when choosing to remove scripture from my quote (Jn 1:1).

[College] "You should try that...or at least charm school."

Ad hominem.

[Misquoting me (Eph 4:14)] "I did not..."

"So I did." ~ Town Heretic

Your words not mine. link

"I omitted your citation to scripture."

You do what you do (Eph 4:14, Jn 1:1).

You failed to use ellipses (...) when quoting me. It would seem that you have no interest in ever using ellipses (...) as is proper.

"...I've told you and anyone reading exactly why I omitted it."

And I've told people that you have no integrity. Now, I will tell them that you do not intent to have integrity in the future.

[The use of ellipses (...) would have been proper when choosing to remove scripture from my quote.] "No, it wouldn't."

Jn 1:1, Eph 4:14, Ec 10:12 I'm not here to teach you English 101.

"I was responding to in bold and every time you attempt to set out this lie of yours I'm just going to repeat the truth of it here..."

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[SD] You removed the scripture from my quote...[TH] "Did I?" [SD] You did."

SD: [You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).]
TH: "I did. It rarely has any actual linkage and is offered as a means of giving your declarations authority they lack as rational posits."...

SD: [You removed the scripture from my quote.]
TH: "Did I?"
SD: [You did (Eph 4:14). It's ok to make a mistake. What's not ok is doubling down when your error is pointed out.]...

SD: [Misquoting me (Eph 4:14).]
TH: "So I did."
SD: Right. Summary.

[You failed to use ellipses (...) when quoting me.] "They aren't required in the omission of citation."

I'm not here to teach you English 101.

"You say all sorts of nonsensical things from the smallness of that spite of yours."

Ad hominem

"You're being creative again."

What you call creative I call accurate.

"You put the "Misquoting me" as an interior bracket commentary immediately preceding my "I did"..."

I make use of brackets ( [ ] ) to help the reader understand where we are in your "great observations".

"The subsequent "I did" puts a cap on my practice regarding your sorry misuse of scripture."

You justify your actions and do not plan to change a thing (Eph 4:14).

SD: [You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).]
TH: "I did. It rarely has any actual linkage and is offered as a means of giving your declarations authority they lack as rational posits."...

SD: [You removed the scripture from my quote.]
TH: "Did I?"
SD: [You did (Eph 4:14). It's ok to make a mistake. What's not ok is doubling down when your error is pointed out.]...

SD: [Misquoting me (Eph 4:14).]
TH: "So I did."
SD: Right.

[What you call creative I call accurate. ] "It's dishonest."

You're projecting again (Eph 4:14).

Let the reader decide. Summary

"So you're a liar and a willful, repeated one..."

Proof please.

Town Heretic quote:

SD: [Misquoting me (Eph 4:14).]
TH: "So I did."

"That's a lie."

You're projecting again. link

"See my previous post..."

Would there be a point?

"I provided the proof."

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14, Ec 10:12). Summary

"I omitted your citation to scripture." ~ Town Heretic

"...I've told you and anyone reading exactly why I omitted it." ~ Town Heretic

Your words not mine (Jn 1:1).

"I quote nothing because you're unworthy of more consideration."

Ad hominem

"You owe me an apology."

You need to learn rules of grammar. link

"I never disputed omitting your scripture and never failed to point out precisely why."

You justify misquoting others (Eph 4:14). I advised you of your need to use brackets ( [ ] ) and/or ellipsis (…) when quoting others and you have made it clear that you will not. Summary

"I'm not going to dignify your peculiar attempt to will something into existence that never happened by repeatedly lying about what did.."

Proof please. link

"..[B]ut to touch a couple of points: I never disputed omitting your scripture..."

You just do what you do (Jn 1:1).

"...and never failed to point out precisely why and I use ellipses and always have."

Except when quoting me (Eph 4:14). link

"You should get your money back from whatever junior college handed you an attendance certificate."

Ad hominem.

Let the reader decide. Summary

"...I'm not going to dignify your peculiar attempt to will something into existence that never happened."

You said that (Ec 10:14). link

"You should get your money back from whatever junior college handed you an attendance certificate."

Ad hominem. You said that, too (Ec 10:14).

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14). Summary

"See post 72."

And post 73.

Response to comment [from other]: "I read and I decided that you misrepresented what TH said."

There they are (Ps 17:12).

Response to comment [from other]: "I'm sorry, but I feel at this point I must leap in here to SD's offence..."

I didn't get the memo. Have you repented pagan?

"Proof please...ad hominem[.] Kmo is a skirting board and PB is Ozzy Ozbourne etc etc..."

Ozzy.

No. Lookie TH. The devils have come out to support you (Pr 10:25).

All aboard, ha ha ha ha...

Response to comment [from other] [SD: There they are (Ps 17:12).] "There they are." [04 May 2012 10:58:57]

Charles Miner: No, it is not.

Michael Scott: No, it is not.

Charles Miner: Okay, so we're on the same page, great.

Michael Scott: Okay, so we're on the same page, great.

Charles Miner: Okay, Michael.

Michael Scott: Okay, Michael.

Charles Miner: No, seriously.

Michael Scott: No, seriously.

Charles Miner: How old are you?

Michael Scott: How old are you?

Pam Beesly: I can tell Michael's mood by which comedy routine he chooses to do. The more infantile the more upset he is. And he just skipped the Ace Ventura talking butt thing. He never skips it. This is bad. ~ The Office

Do you respect Ann Romney?