Hope you're healthy 

 

[From LauraIngraham blog] "The passage of health care reform, while setting in motion long-overdue efforts to insure an additional 32 million Americans, will increase the need for doctors and exacerbate a physician shortage driven by the rapid expansion of the number of Americans over age 65. Increasing graduate medical education by eliminating the 13-year freeze in Medicare's support for training positions is essential to address the projected shortfall.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates that the physician supply will increase by only 7 percent in the next 10 years. In some specialties, including urology and thoracic surgery, the overall supply of physicians will actually decrease. At the same time, the Census Bureau projects a 36 percent growth in the number of Americans over age 65, the very segment of the population with the greatest health care needs.

As a result, by 2020 our nation will face a serious shortage of both primary care and specialist physicians to care for an aging and growing population. According to the AAMC's Center for Workforce Studies, there will be 45,000 too few primary care physicians - and a shortage of 46,000 surgeons and medical specialists - in the next decade..." America under ObamaCare, Day 192: Health care...if you can find a doctor."

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Dropping existing employee coverage Full text

"Boeing faces increased costs due to 'reform'" Full text

"Connecticut is allowing health insurance companies to raise their premiums..." Full text

"Centerpiece of ObamaCare increases insurance premiums" Full text

"The truth starts to emerge" Full text

Gov't: Spending to Rise Under Obama's Health Care Overhaul Full text

"Insurers stop selling new child-only health plans...Health care advocates say they're outraged companies like Anthem Blue Cross, Aetna, Cigna and others are trying to circumvent that law by taking child-only policies off the market in states like California, as early as this week..." Full text

"Insurers offer fewer Medicare drug plans...Elderly, disabled Ohioans can select from 34 options, down from 46, for next year..." Full text Jn 10:10, Mt. 24:7–8, Re 13:11-17

 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "From Serpent's own link...Ooops. She cut and paste from her favorite site without even checking what the link said..."

 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt (and/or perhaps Admiral Hyman G. Rickover).

Ad hominem. Oops: Context

 

"Your argument was that medical costs were rising..."

 

Hold on to your butts (Jurassic Park). If you like socialized medicine you can say so. It's ok. "My name is Barbarian and I'm a communist." There, don't you feel better?

 

 

Let's see how many Leftists apologize when healthcare costs go up. In their attempt to steal from others (Ex 20:15), they only hurt themselves. Somehow I think they'll keep pushing forward policies that don't work.

 

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  [Believing estimates] "Serpentdove Shoots Self in Foot. Again. Film at eleven."

 

I forgot to use small words.

 

"...Americans will spend an average of $13,652 a year on health care in 2019. Without the law, we would have spent $13,387, according to the report..." The truth starts to emerge  

Context:  "WASHINGTON -- The nation's health care tab will go up -- not down -- as a result of President Barack Obama's sweeping overhaul. That's the conclusion of a government forecast released Thursday, which also finds the increase will be modest.

The average annual growth in health care spending will be just two-tenths of 1 percentage point higher through 2019 with Obama's remake, said the analysis. And that's with more than 32 million uninsured gaining coverage because of the new law.

"The impact is moderate," said economist Andrea Sisko of Medicare's Office of the Actuary, the nonpartisan unit that prepared the report.

Factoring in the law, Americans will spend an average of $13,652 per person a year on health care in 2019, according to the actuary's office. Without the law, the corresponding number would be $13,387.

That works out to $265 more with the overhaul. Currently, Americans spend $8,389 a year per person on health care.

The new bottom line is guaranteed to provide ammunition for both sides of a health care debate that refuses to move offstage. Republicans are vowing repeal if they win control of Congress this fall, although they are unlikely to have enough votes to override an Obama veto.

For critics, the numbers show that the law didn't solve the cost problem, although Obama repeatedly said he wanted to bend the spending curve down.

The analysis found that health care spending will grow to nearly 20 percent of the economy in 2019. That siphons off resources that could be invested in education, research, transportation or other areas. Medical costs now account for about 17 percent of the economy, and some experts think that's already too much.

For advocates of the law, the numbers show that expanding coverage to 93 percent of eligible Americans comes at a relative bargain price. Moreover, if Congress sticks to cost controls in the legislation, there's potential beyond 2020 to rein in the growth of health care spending. The new projections show a slowdown starting around 2018.

"By the end of the projection period, we estimate (costs) will grow more slowly," said John Poisal, who worked on the forecast.

It's a long way off, but under the health care law, the big coverage push doesn't start until 2014..." Gov't: Spending to Rise Under Obama's Health Care Overhaul 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/09/spending-rise-obamas-health-overhaul/

 

Response to comment [from an atheist]:  "A most pathetic creature..."

 

Don't hate us because we're beautiful (1 Chr. 16:29; Psa. 27:4; 29:2; 45:11; 90:17; 110:3; Isa. 52:7; Ezek. 16:14; Zech. 9:17).

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Ouch. That's got to hurt."

 

What's that, you're hip replacement? "That works out to $265 more with the overhaul." Context: Gov't: Spending to Rise Under Obama's Health Care Overhaul

 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "The Republicans badly need medical costs to go up. If medical costs don't go up, they will just tell you that white is black.  That's how politics works."

 

Do you see black helicopters flying overhead, too? You remind me a bit of Alan Grayson: GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly!"

Conservatives have a plan--to restrain evil. The healthcare law must be repealed.

 

"I do see [R]epublican apologists telling us that medical costs are going up, when even their own sources admit they are going down. You, for example, tried it..."

 

I am not a Republican. The source was nonpartisan. Do you believe everything Commie News Network analysts tells you? Do you believe costs are going down? Do you believe that you can steal from others and have God's blessing? 1 Cor. 6:9, 10.

"To qualify as a conspiracy, it would require more intelligence and forethought than you've shown us so far."

 

If the system fails, will you be overjoyed when the government steps in to save the day?

"And your hip replacement story is courtesy of Faux News..."

 

  I was being facetious.

 

"...[T]he cost in 2008 was about $56,000, so the increase your guys suggested is less than the rate of inflation over that time. And during the Bush era, the cost rose three times the rate of inflation."

 

Let's keep an eye on the effects of Obamacare.   I'll update this thread (current forward) from time to time.  Meanwhile, sit with Gerald in a pan simmering (ribbit ribbit).

 

[Correcting typo]  "I notice you were annoyed enough..."

 

No.

 

"...[T]hat I write the names of the major parties in lower case, that you took pains to "correct" my use of "republican." But never for "democrat." So your protestations are less convincing than your behavior."

 

A few housekeeping items:

I correct grammar in the reply when appropriate (e.g. capitalization--your welcome ). You know there is a difference between "Democrat" (to be capitalized) and "democratic" (not to be capitalized)?

 

"FOX news is non-partisan?" :chuckle:

 

I did not say Fox News is non-partisan. I said the report was. This report was cited by both The Huffington Post and Fox News.

 

"I'm not dumb enough to believe any news service uncritically. Look what that did to you."

 

Is this your way of saying that you believe I love Fox News?  I do not.

 

[Costs going down] "Your own source admitted that they were."

 

Read more than the two figures:  $13,652 and $13,387 in the report.  Common sense should tell you that healthcare costs will be going up.  Fidel Castro gets it.  Why don't you? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/09/fidel-castro-cuba-economic-model  

 

[Being facetious]  "You misspelled "gullible."

 

Simmer down, Barbarian.  May I offer you a lily pad?  Don't mind the celery.

 

Am I gullible about the report?  About the future of socialized healthcare?  Again, time will tell.  History has proven that socialism does not work.  History has proven that communism does not work.  Leftists would like to give it another whirl but we do not care to (Jn 10:10). 

 

"Many people, improperly, lump together libertarians and the Tea Parties. That's really wrong. Many of the libertarians are physicists, and many of the Tea Party people don't bathe. There's really not much in common there!" - Alan Grayson"

 

You quote Grayson. It's worse than I thought.    You may want to think "Taliban Dan" in your signature.  Move over Sophocles (Ingraham).



Barbi', do you wear a tin foil hat?

 

Remember America--you're healthcare rates are not going up----"These aren't the droids you're looking for." Obi-Wan. [McDonald's, 29 other firms get health care coverage waivers by Drew Armstrong] "Nearly a million workers won't get a consumer protection in the U.S. health reform law meant to cap insurance costs because the government exempted their employers. Thirty companies and organizations, including McDonald's (MCD) and Jack in the Box (JACK), won't be required to raise the minimum annual benefit included in low-cost health plans, which are often used to cover part-time or low-wage employees.

The Department of Health and Human Services, which provided a list of exemptions, said it granted waivers in late September so workers with such plans wouldn't lose coverage from employers who might choose instead to drop health insurance altogether.

Without waivers, companies would have had to provide a minimum of $750,000 in coverage next year, increasing to $1.25 million in 2012, $2 million in 2013 and unlimited in 2014..." Full text

All small businesses are getting this break right?

 

Destabilizing Healthcare: New Rules for insurers. Insurers cannot search for fraud in their own plans.

Rules Eased for Some Health Plans

 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "Serpent explains why she and Fidel Castro agree."

 

Barbi explains why he is a meathead.

Strawman. I do not agree with Fidel Castro.

 

"Serpent explains why she and Fidel Castro agree."

 

Strawman. I do not agree with Fidel Castro.

 

"Well, let's take a look...(serpent agrees with Fidel Castro) 'Fidel Castro gets it....' How about that?"

 

Fidel Castro is a communist who is beginning to see--it doesn't work.

 

"Barbarian reminds serpent that she agrees with Fidel Castro."

 

Strawman.    I am not an apologist for Fidel Castro.

 

"Communism is an unrealistic ideology."

 

Communism is not the problem.  Man's sin is the problem (Le 18:25; Nu 35:33,34; Ps 106:38; Isa 24:5; Mic 2:10, Le 18:24; Eze 14:11, Isa 1:10-15; Am 5:21,22; Hag 2:14).

 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  "Barbarian reminds serpent that she agrees with Fidel Castro"

 

Strawman.    I do not agree with Fidel Castro.  Summary of your argument.  Note:  Your character is the Wii Meathead.  Mine is the Wii Archie Bunker.

 

"So why did you tell me that Castro gets it?"

 

Refer to post previous post.

 

"Changing the story again..."

 

Proof please.

 

"...[I]t's [communism] a failed ideology."

 

It is a failed ideology. Man is a sinner (Le 18:25; Nu 35:33,34; Ps 106:38; Isa 24:5; Mic 2:10, Le 18:24; Eze 14:11, Isa 1:10-15; Am 5:21,22; Hag 2:14).  He has proven that he cannot rule and reign.  Communism is evil because leaders steal from people (Ex 20:15, Deut. 19:14, Jn 10:10) and eventually enslave them (Lv 25:39–44 .    Christianity is about freedom (Jn 8:36).   

 

A story told by Ronald Reagan:

"I've been reflecting on what the past eight years have meant and mean. And the image that comes to mind like a refrain is a nautical one--a small story about a big ship, and a refugee and a sailor. It was back in the early '80s, at the height of the boat people. And the sailor was hard at work on the carrier Midway, which was patrolling the South China Sea. The sailor, like most American servicemen, was young, smart, and fiercely observant. The crew spied on the horizon a leaky little boat. And crammed inside were refugees from Indochina hoping to get to America. The Midway sent a small launch to bring them to the ship and safety. As the refugees made their way through the choppy seas, one spied the sailor on deck and stood up and called out to him. He yelled, "Hello, American sailor. Hello, freedom man." http://foodwinepolitics.blogspot.com/2006/07/freedom-man.html

 

"...He [Fidel Castro] thinks that socialism works; like you..."

 

Strawman.   I don't agree with Fidel Castro.  I do not believe that socialism works.  Summary of your argument. http://vananne.com/serpentdove/Hope%20youre%20healthy.htm#Fidel_Castro_

 

"Reagan was noted for making up stories..."

 

You prefer Alan Grayson, we know.   Is he your role model?  

 

"People are so desperate to leave the land whose leader you think "gets it"..."

 

Castro admitted that communism does not work.

 

"...that they risk everything to cross the straits to Florida and freedom.  If Castro "gets it", why is that happening?"

 

People leave Cuba for freedom in America.

 

"Maybe it's not as great a place as you think."

 

Strawman. I have not argued that Cuba is a great place.
 

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Liar, Cuba has more freedom than America could dream of..."

 

I don't think Sean Penn and Danny Glover get the full tour when they travel to Cuba.

Hope you're healthy