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Response to comment [from Kevin Miller]:  [:kookoo: from Loony Leftist Family Members (Eccl 10:2)] "Boy Oh Boy" [NY Times Maureen Dowd] "Joe Wilson’s outburst in Congress revealed one thing: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it."

 

I thought he was black and white--post racial.

 

Response to comment [from Ed Murray]:  "Politics... that's all ya got?"

More? 

 

"Maureen Dowd dresses like a hooker." ~ Mark Levine

 

"[N]o arguing with that firm logic. When you attack the messenger, it is pretty clear you are not interested in dialog."

 

You got it! Call the opposition a name (e.g.racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc.) then you do not have to deal with the issue. Dowd called conservatives racists. Levine called her a hooker. Ready to address the issue now w/out ad hominems?

 

"I think we can stop pretending America is post racial."

 

Then don't be a racist. The left is obsessed with race. We are one blood and one race (Ac 17:26).

 

Response to comment [from Ed Murray]:  [Listen to Van Anne]  "KM:  "I am and her racist, homophobic evangelical postings make me sad. There must be a bible quote to make me feel better though?"

 

Evangelicals tell the truth from the Bible.  Truth is hate to those who hate the truth. 

 

Response to comment [from Kevin Miller]:  "Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option (NPR)"

 

God Finds the Masses are Evil (Ex 23:2) (Bible) "Do not Steal" (Ex 20:15).  This bill will pay for abortions for illegal aliens. 

 

[America as Post-Racial, or Post-Racist? "Author and commentator Michael Eric Dyson discusses white Democratic racism towards Barack Obama, and contrasts the idea of a 'post-racist' society with a 'post-racial' one..."]

 

"It doesn't matter what I say.  You will make it a racial (9/12 Project poster)."

 

"Their obsession with race says more about them." ~ Laura Ingraham

 

Response to comment [from Kevin Miller]:   "[I]f you could point me to a credible source pointing me to the language in the bill on this issue, I'd love to see it...I don't think we want to live in a country where we refuse provide medical attention to anyone. Seems like policy even Jesus could live with..."

 

We live in a country where no one is denied healthcare. 

 

The restriction for abortions for illegal aliens would have to be written in--which Democrats have opposed.   

 

 

Response to comment [from David Theobald]:  "So the post says as Christians we should not encourage "believers" to have married relations with "non believers?"

 

The Bible says:  "For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God (2 Co 6:14-16)."
 

I thought my friend, Aimiel on this thread has some good points...

 

Response to comment [from David Theobald]:  "[Y]ou related to Ann Coulter?"

 

Ann Coulter does not come out strong on personhood for the unborn. In my opinion she is a political hack.


Response to comment [from Kristin Hensley]: "Offended:  I find your updates, views, and overall opinions on religion horrifying. Nothing that you mention carries one shred of Christianity in it so perhaps you should ask yourself what you believe in. Do not request my friends. You are now blocked.


Are you easily "offended"? Ro 1:16

 

"Lefitism--it's feeling not thought." ~ Dennis Prager Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10

 

Response to comment [from David Theobald]: "Theology online is the most worthless site I have ever been on, I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading a bunch of BS."

 

A variety of opinions no doubt.

 

Response to comment [from Stephanie D. Berry-Gifford]  "Hateful words:  ...I am very sorry you feel the way you do about Catholics. I find it very sad that your faith would be one of intolerance. Our loving God is accepting, loving, forgiving, and kind to all not just some."

 

We are not all children of God.  Jesus said:  "You are of your father the devil (Jn 8:44)."  Most of his criticism was toward the religious rulers.  We are not all going to the same place (Mt 7:14).    

 

"The biggest division between Christians is no longer between one denomination and another but between those who accept the Bible as the inspired word of God and those who do not." ~ J. Sidlow Baxter

 

Please do not request any of my friends or family members whom you do not know in hopes of spreading your message of hate toward other religions. Thank you.

 

Response to comment [from Terri Hensley]:  Godless Schools:  "...I have only met you once or twice. I am John's aunt Terri and a public school teacher for 36 years. I have devoted my life to enriching the lives of children. When you say "get kids out of the godless schools," I truly take offense to that.  I work 10 hour days, spend much of my own money, and am constantly nurturing and providing spiritual awareness for my students. I know I have made a huge impact on hundreds of kids....in fact they are better off by being exposed to the many hardworking professionals who are in the trenches and experience real teaching.  Not everyone can afford private schools...in fact they are a luxury.  I just ask you to be sensitive and less critical of those who have chosen a different path. Our "God" would agree with me.""

 

The public schools are officially godless.  I encourage everyone I know to get their kids out--to choose homeschooling or Christian education (a Bible teaching and believing school).  It is a great sacrifice but necessary.   

 

The Bible makes it clear that as parents we are to give our kids a biblical education (De 31:12,13; Pr 22:6).  Parents dishonor God--and sin--if they put their kids in the public schools.  Does that mean that all teachers are liberal and godless?  (Eccl 10:2).  No.  Does that mean that there are not fine people trying to make a difference?  No.  It means that the system has failed. 

 

We do not put our kids at risk by sending them to a place where--for girls--they will be sexualized and touched inappropriately with administrative support (this had been documented) and where both boys and girls are taught:  evolution, moral relativism and secular humanism.  It is unconscionable to send children to such a wicked place.

 

Recommended reading:

 

Public School Fools

 

One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Indoctrinate Students and Undermine Our Democracy by David Horowitz 

 

Response to comment [from Eric Sauer]:  [scriptures]

 

The scriptures are true (Jas 1:18) but some attempt to pervert them for their own gain (e.g. Roman Catholics [2 Pet. 2:14, 15]).

 

Someone said, if you go to a church where people don't even bother to bring their Bibles, find another church.  I agree.

Response to comment [from Eric Sauer]:  "I think not. His own Treasury Secretary admitted before World War II that the "works" programs were not stimulating the economy with significant effect."

I hope we don't make the same mistakes. 

Response to comment [from Badrang]:  "[B]anned?  [F]or what?  *laugh* I find that the value in theological dispute is more often in improving yourself than the other participant : )

I often find myself changed by other's arguments but rarely the other way around : )

An actual Christian? Very easy for you to say. . . but who would say that they where a false Christian? So to me it says very little ; P

I think I'm listed as Theologian - the - prophet there :) - what's the symbology behind the name?

I'm supposed to be in the sin bin and here I go talking about theology again. 

I'd need a little more information to know exactly why I was banned.  I am not known for being the sharpest knife in the drawer at Theology Online.  Was it a technical issue (posting to the same article [though a different portion of the text and footnoted] twice)?  Concern for a legal issue (e.g. sharing policies)?  Was it the young earth creation information itself?  I can't say (Ro 8:31).  Satan is the greatest tattle tale of them all (Rev. 12:10) and he has many minions at TOL. 

I think you're right--debate helps you refine your own argument.  Why don't you post there anymore?  I'd recommend that you return (if I were a member in good standing myself).    

Unbelievers and make-believers accuse true, blue Christians all of the time.  Only the spirit of God can take the things of God and make them real to a person (1Co 2:10,13).  

"Theologian - the - prophet"--great!  I'm going to keep an eye out for you when I return (24 Aug).  I'm studying up for the next debate (Wooly Mammoths).  What does your TOL name mean to you?

*laugh* I have yet to hear a theological peep from you. . .

Quite frankly I'm afraid. TOL is a goal I'm working up to. Probably it's not so high and mighty as I assume. But the idea of a huge site devoted to theology is a little daunting. Presumably all Christian, presumably all against any tack I'm bound to take.

I've been in debates and found my skills lacking, my knowledge of biblical passages to thump on a regular basis is low. My age makes few respect my views. . . etc. I need more practice before attempting TOL

*laugh* I suppose the important thing is that YOU believe yourself a true Christian. And act as one. The opinions of others means little. :)

Theologian the Prophet, a character I dreamed up (while supposed to be working on math homework) He was the founder and public figure that would make my faith (I'm the founder of a pagan religion) grow and prosper. Upon thinking about it I realized that only I could be Theologian The Prophet. . . and so here I am. You never did tell me the symbology of yours :)

"Theological peep"

Hey, I like your thread recommendation.  It seems people take time to write more thoughtfully (including yourself).  Good stuff.

"Quite frankly I'm afraid. TOL is a goal I'm working up to."

How odd that you say that.  I think that members at TOL do not always put great thought into their replies as you have.  When you visit--jump right in--you'll be a great asset to the site.   

"Presumably all Christian"

Many will tell you they are Christian.  If they're Christian, I'm a sack of potatoes.

"...[M]y knowledge of biblical passages to thump on a regular basis is low."

Study as you go like the rest of us. 

"I need more practice before attempting TOL..."

No, definitely not.  It's fun.  You can discuss the topic of the day that Knight posts (with friends like him who needs enemies), deep theological issues, or irrelevant stuff.  During my hiatus, I've been reading classic books.  It's funny how the TOL personalities remind me of Jane Austin's characters in her novels.  I should tell them who is who to my mind.

"I suppose the important thing is that YOU believe yourself a true Christian. And act as one. The opinions of others means little. :)"

Oh sure, they'll accuse you of not being a Christian--not because they believe it but because they'd like others to believe it of you.  That ol' chestnut.

"[S]upposed to be working on math homework"

Do that first.  And when you stop by TOL be sure to say 'hello' before I bust your chops : )

"I'm the founder of a pagan religion..."

Oy.  I suppose I will be busting your chops after all. 

See:

Are many practices and traditions in Christianity actually pagan in origin? Do the most common aspects of the modern Christian church have a solid...

Do some Christmas traditions have pagan origins? Where did all the Christmas traditions originate?

Is Jesus a myth? Is Jesus just a copy of the pagan gods of other ancient religions? Is Jesus the same as Horus, Mithras, and Osiris?

Cult Toasters

"Theologian The Prophet. . . and so here I am. You never did tell me the symbology of yours :)"

My TOL name?  I began debating atheists a while back.  They were so snotty I thought that attempting to be as Mt 10:16 recommends was a good plan:  “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves." 

Well, I'll be keeping an eye out for "Theologian The Prophet". : )

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I see you have a Menorah too.  Why?"

The lamp stand is a picture of Jesus (Zech. 4:2, 11).

 

THE GOLDEN LAMPSTAND
The next article of furniture is the lampstand, in most translations called the candlestick, but it was really a lampstand.
And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.
And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side:
Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick [Exod. 25:31–33].
As the description continues from verses 34–39, the reading becomes rather tedious. Verse 40 says:
And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount [Exod. 25:40].
The lampstand is probably the most perfect picture of Christ found in the tabernacle furniture. It sets Him forth as pure gold and speaks of His deity. It sets Him forth as He is—God. Worship has to do with walking in the light. This is a very important fact to see.
We have studied the table of showbread and have seen that it spoke of the fact that when we worship God we must feed on the Lord Jesus Christ. If you go to church and you are only entertained, or given a book review, or listen to some social issue being debated, or hear how you can improve your city, you are not having a worship service. You are just having a meeting. You only worship God when you feed upon Him who is the table of showbread.
Now in order to worship God, you must also walk in the light. Christ is the light, as symbolized by the lampstand in the Holy Place. If you wanted natural light, you had to go outside the tabernacle. If you wanted to walk in the light of the lampstand, you had to go inside the tabernacle. John 1:9 tells us that Jesus Christ is the “…true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” You will find that there are people who counsel others by “words.” We are told that through philosophy and vain deceit we can be deceived. Listen to the words of Paul in Colossians 2:8, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Christ is not just another philosopher who “darkened counsel by words without knowledge.” He is the Son of God, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
The lampstand was actually made of one piece of gold. It was beaten work, highly ornamented. It had a central shaft, but extending from that shaft were three branches on each side, making a total of seven branches in all. Each branch was like the limb of an almond tree with fruit and blossom. At the top was an open almond blossom, and it was here that the lamps filled with oil were placed.
The almond blossoms looked like wood but they were gold. They remind us of Aaron’s rod that budded. When Aaron’s priestly prerogative was in question, the budding of his almond rod established his right to the priesthood. The almond rod, a dead branch, was made to live and bear fruit. Christ was established as the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead. The resurrection did not make Christ the Son of God because He was already that from the eternal counsels of God; the resurrection only confirmed it. Aaron was the God-appointed high priest and this position was confirmed by the resurrection of the dead almond rod. The resurrection of Christ likewise established His priesthood. Christ is our great High Priest. He became a man and partook of our nature, “tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin.” But the primary basis of His priesthood is His deity. The priest represented man before God. And Christ, as God who became man, is now the God-man who represents man. There is Someone in heaven who knows and understands me! He is able to help me. The resurrection which declared Him to be the Son of God likewise declared His right to the priesthood.
It is interesting to note that no measurements are given for the lampstand. Why? Because you can’t put a yardstick down on Deity, friend. You cannot measure Him as the Son of God. You can’t understand Him. He is beyond the computation of man. Yet He also was perfectly human. His deity and humanity are never fused. Along with the fact that Jesus wept was the fact that He commanded Lazarus to come forth.
The lampstand gave light in the Holy Place. It was the place of worship. Notice that the lampstand held up the lighted lamps. In turn, the lamps revealed the beauty of the lampstand. The oil in the lamps represents the Holy Spirit. Christ said of the Holy Spirit in John 14:26, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” When you and I study the Word together, we meet around the person of Christ, and it is the Holy Spirit who takes the things of Christ and shows them unto us—just as those lamps reveal the beauty of the lampstand. The Holy Spirit reveals Christ as the Son of God, the One who came to earth on our behalf and who lives in heaven to intercede for us.
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 1:ix-284

Also see:

Should Christians Celebrate Hanukkah?