The Final Word--Jesus is God
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "You say "I love the God of my Lord Jesus." [tagline]
God says: "He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him (Jn 5:23).
"Jesus was a man. He has a God. Is that not enough for you to look further for truth?"
Understand God:
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Christ was not always Lord."
That is to misunderstand who Jesus is.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "SerpantDove, if you want to make a point, you need to stop simply posting these large quotes."
Csuguy, you may close your Bible, but Jn 1:1 is not going away.
"You need to debate for yourself, using quotes sparingly."
I am happy to discuss the nature of Jesus--who he is (God) and why he came (to save). You do not believe in the real Jesus. A fake Jesus cannot save you.
"I don't see where in that quote it says that Christ was always Lord."
"In the beginning..." Jesus says that he is the beginning and the end (Re 1:8). He was the Lord, he is the Lord, and he will always be the Lord. Salvation is through him and only him. You must know who the Lord is to worship him.
"God's Son, not God the Son."
Incorrect. "The" (preeminent) Son of God.
Like mama's special sauce. Read John 1:1. It's in there:
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Provide the scripture that says you must accept Jesus as God and I will reconsider my position. If you can't-- I suggest you reconsider yours."
Jn 1:1. "[T]he Prologue forms a compact, organic whole, of which the germinal thought is this: by the Incarnation believers are restored to that communion with the Word, and that living relation with God, of which man had been deprived by sin...” Full text: Prologue The Gospel According to John: First Division, Second Division and Third Division.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "...Jesus taught that he has a God, his Father."
Jesus taught that he was God, the second person of the trinity: (Psa. 110:1; Isa. 42:1; Isa. 49:5, 6; Isa. 61:1; Mic. 5:4; Matt. 20:23; Matt. 26:39; Mark 10:40; Mark 13:32; John 1:1, 2, 14; John 3:34, 35; John 4:34; John 5:19–31, 37, 45; John 6:32, 33, 38–40, 44–46; John 7:16, 28, 29, 33; John 8:16, 19, 28, 29, 38, 40, 42, 49, 54, 55; John 9:4; John 10:15, 18, 25, 29, 30, 32, 33, 36–38; John 11:41, 42; John 12:44, 49, 50; John 14:7, 9–14, 20, 24, 28, 31; John 15:9, 10, 15, 23–26; John 16:5, 10, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 32; John 17:1–26; Acts 2:33, 36; Acts 10:38; Acts 13:37; Rom. 1:4; Rom. 8:32; 1 Cor. 1:30; 1 Cor. 3:23; 1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Cor. 15:24, 27, 28; 2 Cor. 4:4, 6; Eph. 1:17, 20–22; Phil. 2:6, 11; Col. 1:15, 19; 1 Thess. 5:18; Heb. 1:2, 3; Heb. 2:9; Heb. 3:2; Heb. 5:5–10; 1 Pet. 1:21; 1 Pet. 2:4, 23; 2 Pet. 1:17; 1 John 4:9, 10, 14; Rev. 2:27; Rev. 3:12, 21)
...and that he was obedient to the Father's will (Psa. 40:8; Isa. 11:5; Isa. 42:21; Isa. 50:5, 6; Matt. 3:15; Matt. 26:39, 42 Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42. Luke 2:49; John 4:34; John 5:30, 36; John 6:38; John 7:18; John 8:29, 46, 55; John 9:4; John 14:31; John 15:10; John 17:4; John 19:30; Phil. 2:8; Heb. 5:8; Heb. 10:7–9).
"Jesus was made Lord of all creation by his Father."
That is false. Jesus was not created. He is the creator of the universe (Jn 1:1). He pre-existed Gen. 1:26; Psa. 102:25–27 with Heb. 1:8–12.Prov. 8:22–36; John 1:1–3; John 3:13; John 6:62; John 8:56–58; John 17:5; Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:5–7; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:9, 14–16; Rev. 4:11).
He glorified his Father.
You mix truth with error (Gal 5:9). You do not know the Jesus of the Bible. Your Jesus never existed.
"He taught us to pray to his father...."
...In the name of the Son (Eph 2:18; Heb 10:19).
"I honor the [S]on, but the father, his God, is my God..."
You dishonor the Father and the Son (Jn 5:23).
"Read it again in Greek. Note the word 'logos'. It does not mean 'word', it means 'plan'"
You reject the Word of God (Psa. 50:16, 17; Prov. 1:29, 30; Prov. 13:13; Isa. 5:24; Isa. 28:9–14; Isa. 30:9–11; Isa. 53:1; Jer. 6:10; Jer. 8:9; Hos. 8:12; Amos 2:12; Mic. 2:6; Luke 16:31; Luke 24:25; John 3:20; John 5:46, 47; John 8:37, 45; 1 Cor. 1:18, 22, 23; 2 Tim. 3:8; 2 Tim. 4:3, 4; 1 Pet. 2:8; 2 Pet. 3:15, 16; Rev. 22:19).
Understand "word" in Jn 1:1:
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "You're a traditional person. Your not interested in truth."
Your new thought is just old sin. I am a Christian who quotes the word of God.
"The spirit in Jesus was from the creator..."
False. The doctrine of the trinity is provided in scripture (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).
Divine titles are applied to all three persons of the trinity (Ex 20:2; Joh 20:28; Ac 5:3,4).
"[N]owhere else do the translators capitalize it or use the masculine personal pronoun 'he' to agree with it!"
You're are going to risk your eternity on punctuation?
Jn 1:1:
"God came to us as one of us. Phil. 2:5-11. Illustration: If I were to stand and claim to be God, what would you think? What if it were true? How could I convince you? What if I gained a following? How might that be perceived? Jesus faced the struggle of being God and being man and revealing this truth to us. We struggle to accept it..." Full text: God in the Flesh
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Mt 19:4]
[Mk 13:19]
[Mt 27:46]
[Mk 15:34]
[Jn 20:17]
[Re 3:12]
You have a false view of the person of Jesus Christ. Jn 1:1:
"John introduces the child to us in six pictures, magnificently portrayed. And we ask the question: what child is this with the writer who wrote it in the song, what child is this? And John answers it. First of all, he tells us that this is the eternal one...the eternal one. Notice verses 1 through 3. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made..." Full text: The Word Made Flesh by John MacArthur
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [YHVH] "The trinity is not biblical, it was created by pagan philosophers..."
The doctrine of the trinity is biblical (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5).
[Proverbs 30:4]
[Jn 6:62]
[Jn 1:1]
See:
The Real Jesus by Charles Stanley Pt 1
The Real Jesus by Charles Stanley Pt 2
Sound Doctrine by Charles Stanley
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "SerpentDove, quoting your favorite theologians isn't convincing to anyone (actually, it's quite annoying since that is ALL you do). It would be far better if you would actually debate in your own words - no one wants to debate an author who isn't even here."
You didn't like J. Vernon McGee? John MacArthur? Charles Stanley? Jn 8:44.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Serpent Dove, Proverbs 30:4 tells us the Father descended and ascended..."
That is false. "13 kNo one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of ManResponse to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[I]f Jesus even wanted to do anything other then God's will, He sinned in His heart, and would be blemished."
When
Jesus
stepped
out of
time and
eternity
to
become
man, he
identified
with you
and me.
His
suffering
was
real;
yet, he
was
committed
to
righteousness.
[Ga 1:12]
[Re 3:21]
[Isa 40:5]
[Isa 52:6]
[1Cor 2:8]
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "The Son of Man and the Father are 1. Proverbs 30:4 tells us the one who descended and ascended had a son..."
You are mistaken. The Son descended:
He dwelled among us:
He is Jesus, the second member of the trinity:
[Isa 9:6]
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5.Understand Jn 1:1:
"As I have studied the book of John I found that the reason it was written is because of the Gnostic belief that denied the deity and the humanity of Christ. He could not be both God and man is what they were saying. The key verse for this book is: JN 20:30-31 Jesus’ disciples saw him do many other miraculous signs besides the ones recorded in this book. But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life. Jesus is described as the Word. He was in the beginning because He was God. There is no other person or thing that this is said about. He was here before history began..." Full text: And the Word Was by Dennis Selfridge.
"You have been misled by false teachers..."
No. You deny the deity of Jesus who is the Messiah and the second person of the trinity:
"Response to comment [from a Christian]: "They are one in nature, not person. All the times they are shown to be distinct cannot be made to say that they are solitary. A husband and wife are one in one sense, but distinct in another sense (compound unity vs solitary=triune, not triplex)."
Well said.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I like scripture. I'm not familiar with the theologians you listed, but I am familiar with other ones. I don't follow theologians, but I do like to study the evolution of different theologies. Learning from theologians is fine, but to quote them as if it were scripture is a bit sickening to me."
No one can fault you for not following theologians. We are to follow the teachings of scripture not theologians. But you do not have a Christian worldview--denying the trinity and Jesus being the second person of the trinity. These theologians or others will help you to understand Jn 1:1.
"Evolving theologies" is not a good thing. Learn where "evolving theologies" have taken men: modernity to post modernism.
See:
An Excerpt: The Truth War by John MacArthur.
Response to comment: "Wrong. The trinity is simply one Christian model used to explain God....It wasn't until the third/fourth century that it became the majority view."
It became our model since Ge 1:1--Elohim--one God, three persons. What church do you attend (Ga 3:1)?
"This message explains why "either/or" thinking doesn’t work in the Kingdom of God, and we should expand our perspective to include "both/and" thinking."
Recommended reading:
The Case for the Real Jesus by Lee Strobel
Response to comment [from "Christian"]: Emanuel Swedenborg
Where is our Satan Inc. (TOL's Heretic's List)?
"There were writings about Swedenborg available in libraries near Joseph Smith..." Full text: Craig Miller on Joseph Smith and Swedenborg (Notes from Sunstone)
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Seeking truth but not willing to earn it."
Can you work your way to salvation? Do you think you'll be a god someday like Mormons? Do you think Jesus was just another angel like Jehovah's witnesses? Isn't trust in a false Jesus no salvation at all? How can you say you have the spirit of God when you disagree with historical biblical Christianity and other genuine believers?
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "If Jesus was not just a man, he could not be the sacrifice."
If Jesus was not God, he cannot be your Savior.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[Y]ou assume to much, just like the Jews did."
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father (1 Jn 2:23, NASB). Purpose in your heart to turn from sin.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also [1 John 2:23, NKJV].
Response to comment: "Dr. Harry Emerson Fosdick works for a church, if he does not preach what they want, they fire him. So he will preach traditional doctrine even if it is wrong, like the trinity."
"...Fosdick ultimately would not acknowledge the literal reality of God's wrath toward impenitent sinners. To him, "the wrath of God" was nothing more than a metaphor for the natural consequences of wrongdoing. His theology would not tolerate a personal God whose righteous anger burns against sin. To Fosdick, the threat of hell fire was only a relic of a barbaric age. "Obviously, we do not believe in that kind of God any more."
Fosdick wrote those words almost ninety years ago. Sadly, what was true of liberalism then is all too true in the so-called "evangelical movement" today. "Evangelicals" have to a very large degree rejected the reality of God's wrath. They have disregarded His hatred for sin. The god most evangelicals now describe is completely benevolent and not the least bit angry.
Post-modern "evangelicals" have forgotten (or simply refused to believe) that "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb. 10:31). These days, they are the ones saying, "We do not believe in that kind of God any more."5
"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God" (Rom. 11:22).
Ironically, an overemphasis on divine beneficence actually works against a sound understanding of God's love. It has given multitudes the disastrous impression that God is kindly but feeble, or aloof, or simply unconcerned about human wickedness. Is it any wonder that people with a such a concept of God defy His holiness, take His love for granted, and presume on His grace and mercy? Certainly no one would fear a deity like that.
Yet Scripture tells us repeatedly that fear of God is the very foundation of true wisdom (Job 28:28; Ps. 111:10; Prov. 1:7; 9:10; 15:33; Mic. 6:9). People often try to explain away the sense of those verses by saying that the "fear" called for is nothing more than a devout sense of awe and reverence. Certainly the fear of God includes awe and reverence, but it does not exclude literal holy terror. "It is the Lord of hosts whom you should regard as holy. And He shall be your fear, and He shall be your dread" (Isa. 8:13).
We must recapture some of the holy terror that comes with a right understanding of God's righteous anger. We need to remember that God's wrath does burn against impenitent sinners (Ps. 38:1-3). That reality is the very thing that makes His love so wonderful. We must therefore proclaim these truths with the same sense of conviction and fervency we employ when we declare the love of God. It is only against the backdrop of divine wrath that the full significance of God's love can be truly understood. That is precisely the message of the cross of Jesus Christ. After all, it was on the cross that God's love and His wrath converged in all their majestic fullness.
Only those who see themselves as sinners in the hands of an angry God can fully appreciate the magnitude and wonder of His love. In this regard our generation is surely at a greater disadvantage than any previous age. We have been force-fed the doctrines of self-esteem for so long that most people don't really view themselves as sinners worthy of divine wrath. On top of that, religious liberalism, humanism, evangelical compromise, and ignorance of the Scriptures have all worked against a right understanding of who God is. Ironically, in an age that conceives of God as wholly loving, altogether devoid of wrath, most people are tragically ill-equipped to understand what God's love is all about!
The simple fact is that we cannot appreciate God's love until we have learned to fear Him. We cannot know His love apart from some knowledge of His wrath. We cannot study the kindness of God without also encountering His severity. And if the church of our generation does not regain a healthy balance soon, the rich biblical truth of divine love is likely to be obscured behind what is essentially a liberal, humanistic concept..." Full text: Harry Emerson Fosdick and the Emerging Theology of Early Liberalism [Romans 11:22, Job 28:28]
Recommended Reading:
Response to comment [from other]: "[S]aid by Pierac..."
Pierac is wrong. Understand Jn 1:1:
[Jn 17:5]
[Re 4:11]
[Pr 23:7]
[Ps 33:6]
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[O]thers...will not stay in the faith."
They may start in church but if they "go out from us (1 Jn 2:19)" they never had koinonia (fellowship).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "So why is the Body of Christ silent at Church? Only one member of the body is allowed to speak each week, and it's always the same person. Christ speaks through his whole body, not his pastors! The rest just sit and soak."
The Bible says not many are to be teachers (Jas 3:1). If you are speaking about gifts used in the church (e.g. tongues), there must be an interpretation (1 Cor 14:26).
[1 Co 14:26]
[Heb 10:25]
"[E]very member was encouraged to function."
Every member should function in the church, using their gifts and making a commitment to the body of believers.
"The institutional church is built on the 'pulpit-pew' principle. This divides the members into the active few and the passive many."
"The architects of the modern megachurches admit that they have deliberately redesigned the worship service in order to make as few demands as possible on the person in the pew. After all, they don’t want the “unchurched” to be intimidated by appeals for personal involvement in ministry. That’s the very opposite of “seeker sensitivity.”
Such thinking is spiritually deadly. Christianity is not a spectator sport. Practically the worst thing any churchgoer can do is be a hearer but not a doer (James 1:22-25). Christ himself pronounced doom on religious people who want to be mere bystanders (Matthew 7:26-27).
Something is seriously wrong in a church where the staff does all the “ministry” and people are made to feel comfortable as mere observers. One of the pastor’s main duties is to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry (Eph. 4:12). Every believer is called to be a minister of some sort, with each of us using the unique gifts given us by God for the edification of the whole church (Rom. 12:6-8).
That’s why Scripture portrays the church as a body—an organism with many organs (1 Corinthians 12:14), where each member has a unique role (vv. 15-25), and all contribute something important to the life of the body. “And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it” (v. 26)..." Full text: Servants, Not Spectators
"For this reason, the institutional church is essentially a nursery for overgrown spiritual babies. It habituates God people into being passive receivers...(last part taken from Rethinking the Wineskin by Frank Viola)."
Emerging Church:
"[T]hose in the Emerging conversation often fail to distinguish between modernism and the mainline church, unfairly lumping both into the same category and heaping invectives on the latter. Second, while there are mysteries in Scripture that should remain unplumbed, there are also many things of which we can be certain. It is at this juncture that a decision has to be made. In order to be certain of anything, you must accept Scripture as the source and norm of all theology. It is here that many people in the Emerging conversation depart the realm of orthodoxy (they’re not alone - so do many in mainline churches). By abandoning Holy Scripture as their sole source, they usher in a man-made theology in which everything becomes relative. Experience, mysticism, and imagination are all thrown into the pot, creating an unsavory stew that doesn’t follow the recipe. This admixture makes certainty impossible, which is just fine with postmodernists, but is not “just fine” with God. Jesus says in John 8:31-32 that "If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." It is by continuing in Jesus word, and only His word, that liberating truth is found - the path of experience and uncertainty leads to enslavement. But uncertainty, rather than being eschewed by the Emerging Church, is being embraced.
One area of Scripture in which there is certainty is the “job description” of a pastor. There are many verses in the Bible that delineate the qualifications and expectations placed by God on the pastor. Paul’s letters to Timothy and Titus are examples. One skill that pastors must possess, as mentioned in 1 Timothy 3:2, is the ability to teach. Not only must they have the ability to teach, they must use that ability to teach those in their flock. The role of the pastor as a teacher is disdained in many corners of the Emerging Church, at least in a didactic sense..." Full text: The Emerging Church, Part 7: Sheep Without a Shepherd
Charismatic Extremists:
"Charismatic extremist can promote almost any idea they chose on television, or on radio, or in their books. And those who attempt to examine those in the light of Scripture are muzzled. I have been waiting for many years on one of these Charismatic Talk Shows to hear the host say, "That's not true; that is not true. That is not in the Word of God, we will not accept that. You cannot verify that by Scripture." That never happens, no matter what is said. It can be the most bizarre thing imaginable; it can be the most whimsical, the most self-generated interpretation of Scripture or experience, and no one ever stops and says, "Hold it! That's error; that's heresy; that's not true!" Full text: An excerpt from Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Do you fear God?"
I have reverence and awe for the Lord.
"Do you sin?"
I'm am freed from sin's dominion in my life. The Christian is not sinless. He sins less.
"How about your church, do they teach the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ?"
Yes. They give out the word of God.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:
[Mat 16:27]
"And Jesus is going to give some of that glory to his true followers..."
"I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another (Is 42:8)."
[Jn 17:22]
Glory is to God alone. Don't be a glory-stealer.
"I say that His plan and purpose was the logos in Jn 1:1."
Jesus is the word (Jn 1:1), the second person of the trinity, the creator of the heavens and the earth. Jesus is Lord:
"Last spring...I decided to investigate and came to different conclusions."
Keep investigating (Isa 55:6; Mt 7:7).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "The Word in Philo and Targums"
"While the Jews perhaps were closer in their concepts of the Logos, John also clarifies their misconceptions. The Word of God was not simply a personified manifestation of God, John tells us that the Logos was the creative force of God, which was with God but was God Himself (John 1:1). Most often in Scripture, the phrase “word of God” refers simply to what God declares, John uses Logos at the beginnings of the gospel and his first epistle in a special way to teach both Jews and Greeks the truth about who Jesus is." Full text: In the Beginning was the Word” A Study of the Logos Doctrine: John 1:1-3
[Ge 16:13]
[Lk 20:9-13]
[Isa 40:11]
[Jn 10:11-14]
[1 Pe 5:2]
Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind [1 Pet. 5:2].
[Lev 18:30]
[Nu 15:31]
[Ex 9:21]
[Isa 45:12]
[Isa 48:13]
[Ge 1:27]
[Ge 2:8]
[Ge 16:7]
[Ge 9:12]
[Ge 19:24]
[2 Ki 6:33]
[Mic 1:12]
[Ex 26:28]
[Ex 3:2]
[Ac 7:30-35]
[Ex 20:1]
[Jn 7:19]
[Ex 20:7]
[Ex 23:21]
[Ex 17:16]
[Re 10:5-6]
[Ps 7:8]
[Jn 5:22]
[Isa 45:17]
[Ge 21:23]
[Ex 32:13]
[Heb 6:13]
[Lev 26:30]
[Isa 1:14]
[Isa 48:16]
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Serpentdove, you seem buried in tradition. Do you really think Jesus is God?...Open your mind to new ideas about [Jn 1:1], you may learn something."
You've just added more false teaching to your notes. You fail to understand the nature of Jesus (Jn 1:1)--who he was, why he came and what he can do for: the poor, the brokenhearted, and the captives (Isa 61:1). "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father (1 Jn 2:23, NASB)."
See:
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Do you know why our God of Love would do/allow this [blinded men]? Hint...Romans 11."
God is not finished with the nation Israel.
You are as false a teacher as you were yesterday, denying the deity of Jesus. Do not say "our God of love". Why would you and the other non-trinitarians call Jesus "Lord, Lord" when you do not do what he says? (Lk 6:46). Without believe that Jesus is who he said he is (Jn 1;1), he is not your Lord and you will never please him (Heb 11:6). Satan is your father (1 Jn 4:3). You do not have the spirit of righteousness (Mt 6:33), denying the deity of Jesus. Like every cult and 'ism, you get Jn 1:1 wrong. You cannot call him Lord but by the spirit of God (1 Cor. 12:3). Clearly, this has not happened for you. You remain in your sins (Lk 13:5). The one you deny commands sinners to do this (Mt 9:13).
Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Israel] "God has written as He has so that people like you can be led to ruin."
It is not God's will that any person be led to ruin (2 Pe 3:9).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "It is you...who does not what Jesus says."
Doing what the Lords says is believing. I believe Jesus is who he said he is (Ro 10:9). There is no sense in calling him "Lord, lord..." if you will not do that (Lk 6:46). Jesus is the second person of the godhead (Col. 2:9); yet, you attempt to corrupt (Acts 17:29) and pervert (1 Tim. 6:5) the doctrine of the trinity.
Believe that Jesus is who he said he is (Jn 1:1-3).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [God not finished with the nation Israel] "Your only half way there..."
You are a false teacher, denying the deity of Jesus (Jn 1:1-3). Like all cults and 'isms, you go off into areas where you do not belong. First, seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness (Mt 6:33). Then, I am sure God would love to speak with you about his plans for nation Israel.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [2 Pe 3:9] "The first intelligent thing you ever posted!"
Still don't like Jn 1:1? No cult or 'ism likes Jn 1:1--Jesus is Lord.
"[I]f God wills it or wishes it, make no mistake... It will be done!"
Yet he allows men to choose otherwise. Don't underestimate the depravity of the human heart (Jer 17:9). As merciful as God is, men choose to go to hell.
You are correct when you say that God's will will be done. But men cannot choose from options that God did not give. When one repents of his sin and receives Christ, he is headed for heaven (Jn 10:29). But when one does not receive Christ, he is headed for hell.
It was not God's will for said man to go to hell but God honored his choice (2 Pe 3:9). God gives men what they want. They cannot say "I will to go to heaven because it's God will" without repenting and receiving Christ. Men know the consequences (Jn 3:18) and they make their choice to live or die.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Serpent, please look at the verse..."
Keypurr, please look in the mirror (Jas 1:21-25). You shouldn't play with swords. You might get cut (Eph 6:17). Scripture won’t make sense to you until you understand (Jn 1:1). Jesus is Lord.
Response to comment [from other]: "[D]on't fall into the lies of the Calvinist!"
Ad hominem. I am not a Calvinist.
You will not understand scripture until you humble yourself (Jas 4:10). Keep resisting the word of God and the spirit of God will resist you (Ro 1:28). That is no way to enter eternity (Jn 1:1 will remain but you will perish). Jesus is the Lord, the second person of the godhead, the creator of the heavens and the earth.
"If you blow off God, He'll blow you off too (Doug Giles)."
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Calvinism] "[D]on't fall into their lies about the scripture."
The point is irrelevant. You attack the Roman Catholic Church, and now Calvinism to gain credibility. What does it matter? They both teach error.
What matters is the word of God. Without a proper understanding of Jn 1:1, you will not receive truth from God. You fail to respond to the truth already given to you. Jn 1:1 is essential doctrine. Jesus is the second person of the trinity.
You can quote the Bible all day long. You can even claim to love Jesus but you do not. If you loved him you would obey him. If you obeyed him you would believe him and he would manifest himself to you (Jn 14:21). Start by obeying God, keeping his commandments, and receiving his word of truth. You read the Bible. Let the Bible read you (Jas 1:21).
Stop being this man:
"If anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was (Jas 1:23-24)."
Start being this man:
"He who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does (Jas 1:25)."
"When I did understand it your way (for many years)...Then I woke up and realized that understanding it your way didn't make any sense at all."
Nice try, tricky. You gave gone from dark to darker. You have never been born of the spirit of God because you have not welcomed the word of God (Jn 1:1) with a receptive heart and a reflective spirit (Jas 1:21). Had you ever been saved, doctrine would have be made known to you (Jn 14:21). Truth comes to stay (Jn 10:29). We are not tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men (Eph 4:14)."
"I know that Jesus is Lord, but he is not God."
Then you do not know either (Jn 20:28). It's not an evidence problem. It's a heart problem.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Only God knows the inner heart of a man, serpent."
True. His children are to discern (Pr 31:9). Whether you deny Jesus in the flesh or in the sprit--you deny Jesus (1 Jn 4:3). You are a false teacher and an antichrist. You know it. I know it. Others need to know it. The word has been given to you (Mt 18:18).
"Are you claiming to be God too?"
No. I warn others about the lies you tell. Jesus is the creator God, the second person of the trinity, the God-man. He is holy. We are responsible to him.
"You know nothing of scripture except what your church has drilled into you skull."
Ad hominem. Let the reader decide. The word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword (Heb 4:12).
"You have no clue who God is or what John 1 is saying to you."
Tell it to the judge Ps (Ac 17:31). He'll be your savior or he'll be your judge (Ro 14:11).
"You refuse to learn from others..."
Antichrists are not good teachers. They are ravenous wolves (Mt 7:15).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Both the Roman Catholic Church and Calvinism contain scriptural truth!" "[H] is blinded by his hatered for truth..."
Jesus is truth incarnate (Jn 14:6). The word of God is our authority (Ps 138:2).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[T]he evil trinity doctrine..."
Now God is evil--tell us what you really think of him.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "The Trinity is Blasphemy!"
You seem to have a strong animosity against God as he is: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Lev. 26:23, 24 vs. 27,28.; Job 36:12, 13; Psa. 78:31, 32; Isa. 8:21; Isa. 9:13; Isa. 22:12, 13; Isa. 26:11; Isa. 42:25; Isa. 57:17; Jer. 2:30, 35; Jer. 3:3; Jer. 5:3; Jer. 7:28; Dan. 9:13; Hos. 7:9, 10, 14; Hos. 9:17; Amos 4:6 [vs. 7–10.] Amos 4:11; Zeph. 3:2, 7; Hag. 2:17; Rev. 9:20, 21; Rev. 16:9–11 v. 21) and toward his people (Ge 27:41, Hos 9:8).
I would spend some time in prayer. Only the spirit of God can make the true and living God real to you. Salvation is the work of the trinity you deny (2Th 2:13,14; Tit 3:4-6; 1Pe 1:2).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "...the Greeks actually refuse to understand the oikonomia, or Dispensation (of the Three in One)."
You refuse to understand: one what, three whose of the trinity from those who teach sound doctrine. You will not get a new ῥῆμα (rhēma) until you believe the truth which has already been given. It may take a lifetime, but keep at it.
"...[T]ry to deny the doctrine of the Trinity and you'll loose your salvation, try to understand it and you'll loose your mind." ~ Stanley Grenz
"The doctrine of the Trinity is truth for the heart. The fact that it cannot be satisfactorily explained instead of being against it, is actually in its favor; such a truth had to be revealed, no one could have imagined it." ~ A.W. Tozer
"False Teaching about the Trinity:
Arianism (Dynamic Monarchianism):
Modern Example: Jehovah's Witnesses - Denying the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Jesus was a created being adopted by God, and the Holy Spirit is simply the power of God or a force..." Full text: False Teaching About the Trinity
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Jesus is not the Word..."
Jesus is the word. Understand Jn 1:1-3. Is it difficult to understand this? Yes. But with the spirit of God as your teacher, it is possible to begin to get a grasp it.
Those who teach falsely (yourself included/non-trinitarians) are listed at Satan, Inc. ToL Heratics List:
1) Keypurr
2) Pierac
3) csuguy
4) adopted son 77
5) Paul McNabb (Mormon)
6) Seydlitz77 (Mormon)
7) Martin.Harris (Mormon)
8) Elected4ever
9) Squeaky
10) Aner
11) Lazy Afternoon
12) Jerzy (pending...)
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[F]or what reason?"
Because they are false teachers, we know that they are covetous (2Pe 2:1-3). Of what? Who knows. It could be money (Luke 16:14). It could be to appear important (pride). They resist the truth for a reason (2 Tim. 3:8).
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Please put my name in capital letters [Satan Inc. ]...May God (the father) bless you with truth."
Yep. You're still on the Satan, Inc. list [http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55479]. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him (Jn 5:23). You have no truth in you (Jn 8:44).
Jesus is Lord: As Jehovah, Isa. 40:3, with Matt. 3:3; Jehovah of glory, Psa. 24:7, 10, with 1 Cor. 2:8; Jas. 2:1; Jehovah our righteousness, Jer. 23:5, 6, with 1 Cor. 1:30; Jehovah above all, Psa. 97:9, with John 3:31; Jehovah the first and the last, Isa. 44:6, with Rev. 1:17; Isa. 48:12–16, with Rev. 22:13; Jehovah’s fellow and equal, Zech. 13:7; Phil. 2:6; Jehovah of Armies, Isa. 6:1–3, with John 12:41; Isa. 8:13, 14, with 1 Pet. 2:8; Jehovah, Psa. 110:1, with Matt. 22:42–45; Jehovah the shepherd, Isa. 40:10, 11; Heb. 13:20; Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created, Prov. 16:4, with Col. 1:16; Jehovah the messenger of the covenant, Mal. 3:1, with Luke 7:27. Invoked as Jehovah, Joel 2:32, with 1 Cor. 1:2; as the eternal God and Creator, Psa. 102:24–27, with Heb. 1:8, 10–12; the mighty God, Isa. 9:6; the great God and Savior, Hos. 1:7, with Tit. 2:13; God over al, Rom. 9:5; God the Judge, Eccl. 12:14, with 1 Cor. 4:5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; Emmanuel, Isa. 7:14, with Matt. 1:23; King of kings and Lord of lords, Dan. 10:17, with Rev. 1:5; 17:14; the Holy One, 1 Sam. 2:2, with Acts 3:14; the Lord from heaven, 1 Cor. 15:47; Lord of the sabbath, Gen. 2:3, with Matt. 12:8; Lord of all, Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:11–13; Son of God, Matt. 26:63–67; the only begotten Son of the Father, John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9. His blood is called the blood of God, Acts 20:28. One with the Father, John 10:30, 38; 12:45; 14:7–10; 17:10. As sending the Spirit equally with the Father, John 14:16, with John 15:26. As unsearchable equally with the Father, Prov. 30:4; Matt. 11:27. As Creator of all things, Isa. 40:28; John 1:3; Col. 1:16; supporter and preserver of all things, Neh. 9:6, with Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3. Acknowledged by Old Testament saints, Gen. 17:1, with Gen. 48:15, 16; 32:24–30, with Hos. 12:3–5; Judg. 6:22–24; 13:21, 22; Job 19:25–27
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Try again"
Jesus is still 100% God 100% man, the second person of the trinity, the creator of the heavens and the earth (John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14).
Response to comment from a "Christian"]: You went to Stupid School didn't you? I bet you graduated with honors."
Obviously, the word of God offends you. You have no natural love for the brethren (1 Jn 3:14) because you are a false teacher and not of Christ.
Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Jesus has a God. There is only one God."
Jesus has a God (Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6; 2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20,21; Re 1:4,5) and Jesus is God (As Jehovah, Isa. 40:3, with Matt. 3:3; Jehovah of glory, Psa. 24:7, 10, with 1 Cor. 2:8; Jas. 2:1; Jehovah our righteousness, Jer. 23:5, 6, with 1 Cor. 1:30; Jehovah above all, Psa. 97:9, with John 3:31; Jehovah the first and the last, Isa. 44:6, with Rev. 1:17; Isa. 48:12–16, with Rev. 22:13; Jehovah’s fellow and equal, Zech. 13:7; Phil. 2:6; Jehovah of Armies, Isa. 6:1–3, with John 12:41; Isa. 8:13, 14, with 1 Pet. 2:8; Jehovah, Psa. 110:1, with Matt. 22:42–45; Jehovah the shepherd, Isa. 40:10, 11; Heb. 13:20; Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created, Prov. 16:4, with Col. 1:16; Jehovah the messenger of the covenant, Mal. 3:1, with Luke 7:27. Invoked as Jehovah, Joel 2:32, with 1 Cor. 1:2; as the eternal God and Creator, Psa. 102:24–27, with Heb. 1:8, 10–12; the mighty God, Isa. 9:6; the great God and Savior, Hos. 1:7, with Tit. 2:13; God over al, Rom. 9:5; God the Judge, Eccl. 12:14, with 1 Cor. 4:5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; Emmanuel, Isa. 7:14, with Matt. 1:23; King of kings and Lord of lords, Dan. 10:17, with Rev. 1:5; 17:14; the Holy One, 1 Sam. 2:2, with Acts 3:14; the Lord from heaven, 1 Cor. 15:47; Lord of the sabbath, Gen. 2:3, with Matt. 12:8; Lord of all, Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:11–13; Son of God, Matt. 26:63–67; the only begotten Son of the Father, John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9. His blood is called the blood of God, Acts 20:28. One with the Father, John 10:30, 38; 12:45; 14:7–10; 17:10. As sending the Spirit equally with the Father, John 14:16, with John 15:26. As unsearchable equally with the Father, Prov. 30:4; Matt. 11:27. As Creator of all things, Isa. 40:28; John 1:3; Col. 1:16; supporter and preserver of all things, Neh. 9:6, with Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3. Acknowledged by Old Testament saints, Gen. 17:1, with Gen. 48:15, 16; 32:24–30, with Hos. 12:3–5; Judg. 6:22–24; 13:21, 22; Job 19:25–27).
The only source of life is trust in Him (Ro 6:23; Joh 10:28; Ga 6:8).