US HIV travel ban lifted today

US HIV travel ban lifted today

Obama says decision was "decision rooted in fear rather than fact".  Should we fear paying high costs for Sodomite healthcare?  If we will be paying for risky behavior, should we have a say on that behavior or just shut up and foot the bill? 

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "HIV isn't a disease reserved for gay people."

Did you believe the heterosexual A.I.D.S. scare when they tried to sell that one to us?

"I think it's a great decision."

Do you think it is a great decision for people who live God-honoring lives to pay for those who don't?  Is it right to steal from the righteous to pay for the wicked?  Are Christian beliefs "rooted in fear"?

"...[T]he 'rooted in fear' part was referring to the fear that surrounds HIV as a virus which comes from a complete lack of understanding on the subject. I don't think it was a direct attack on Christianity. In fact, I don't think the decision has anything to do with Christianity.

Do you think it's government's business to decide whose life honors God more and base its financial decisions on that?
 

I don't think it's government's business to steal from one group of people to give to another group of people. 

Your un-Christian attitude is [rooted in fear].

Fear of God, yes.  Disgust of depraved behavior, that too.

[Government's role]  "I do think that taking in taxes and spending them is [their business]."

Fine.  We need boarder security and potholes fixed.  Anything over ten percent, biblically--is highway robbery.  We most certainly should not be footing the bill for those who engage in risky behavior. 

"Fear of that which is different. A very carnal fear."

The Bible does not describe homosexuality as different.  Cheeses are different.  Homosexuality is forbidden (Lev. 18:22).  Is one "carnal" to agree with God?  You must be nicer than God to be so understanding of depravity.  Explain that to him one day.  In the meantime, God is holy. 

"Your disgust isn't really relevant."

God's disgust is.  He calls homosexuality an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24).  Yet again, you never seem to agree with God; yet claim to possess his spirit.  How would anyone ever know?

"I met a lady who had no nose, just a raw red cavity that stank of medicine and faintly of rot. It was disgusting but I didn't allow my disgust to override my civility or my basic belief that all people have an inherent right to life and dignity."

I think I met the same lady.  How wicked of you to compare her tragedy with the decision to act upon homosexual behavior.  I smiled at the woman.  What in God's name is wrong with you?

"Your revulsion for gays doesn't excuse you from acting like a responsible adult, not a cootie-obsessed six-year old."

I'd rather have the faith of a child and trust God's decision-making than to become comfortable with sin (Mt 18:3).  Maybe you love this world system and the depravity of the wicked too much (1 Jn 2:15).   

When do you begin to agree with God in scripture?

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "You know what I think is really depraved? That infant girls are raped in Africa because of a false belief that having sex with a virgin will cure AIDS."

Agreed.  And the solution in Africa is not handing out condoms.  It is sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ and explaining when the fornicate--when they act as God did not intend for them to act they hurt themselves (Jn 10:10).  God's law leads to life.  Breaking God's law leads to death.     

"Do you still believe that only gay people have HIV?"

No.  :rolleyes:  However, HIV is spread more by fornication (including homosexual behavior).  I don't have the stomach to go into the gruesome details (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).  

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "This means nothing, we are not under the old law of Israel."

I didn't say we were.  God's law today still means something (Mt 5:18).  There is nothing wrong with the law.  There is something wrong with men.

"African AIDS is not spread so much by homosexuals."

That's why I said fornication (which includes homosexuality).  HIV is also spread by sharing drug needles, etc..  Mayor Bloomberg is so brilliant to announce Health Department fliers for heroine users.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "This is America, not Biblicallia. The world wasn't quite as large or as complicated when the tithe was set up."

Great logic.  The size of a population makes stealing ok. 

"Everybody engages in risky behaviour. What about smoking? Eating junk food? How about just not excercising enough? Should the government leap into action and disown pretty much everyone who lives in this nation, themselves included, or are you just trying and failing to restate your agenda is something approaching secular terms?"

Eating a Big Mac and practicing homosexuality are quite different things (Jn 19:11).

"One is carnal to expect the world to care that you agree with what you believe God has said."

You claim to be a Christian.  Other Christians should be able to expect you to act like one (1 Pe 3:8).  

"The world doesn't agree on what God has said so to expect a pat on the head and a cookie, let alone the automatic granting of full moral authority over anyone and everyone is just a wee bit goofy."

A Christian seeks to please God not man (Gal 1:10).  Keep your cookies.  I wouldn't assume they were made with clean hands.

[Explain view of homosexuality to God one day] "Perhaps He can explain it to you."

He has (Lev. 18:22).  Some care what God has to say.

"If you think that your own sin, if it weren't covered by Him, would disgust Him any less you are stuck in self-righteousness."

That's true.  That does not permit you commit high-handed sin (Ro 6:1).  You are an apologist for homosexuality not Christianity.

[How would one know you are a Christian]  "Not by how loudly I chant "kill the fags", that's for sure..."

Who said to say that?  We are to love the homosexual.  That means telling him the truth not holding his hand to the gate of hell.

See:

Our Rainbow  http://vananne.com/ourrainbow

"[P]ersonal revulsion shouldn't be an issue in our dealings with others."

If you are not disgusted by homosexual behavior, you are abnormal.  Christ can deliver men and women from the sin of homosexuality (Jn 8:36).

"We don't have to let our feelings override our compassion or our respect for someone else as a human being."

We don't condone behavior that God calls wicked (1 Kin. 14:24).  Being of the left, you are all about "feelings".  Emotionalism and ritualism will not save a person.  People need the truth of the gospel.  Your apathy is hatred.

[What in God's name is wrong with you?] "...[Y]ou seem to be obsessing..."

We know that we know God when we keep his commandments (1 Jn 2:3).   "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him (1 Jn 2:3-4)."  A sailor would "sail the stars".  He could get tired and fall asleep and blow off course, but he'll wake up and recognize it and get back on course.  A Christians desires to keep God's commandments.  If you have no desire to keep his commandments, you are not saved.  One of the birthmarks of a Christian is living by God's commandments.  Why would you call Jesus "Lord, Lord" when you don't give a damn what he says?  (Rogers, Lk 6:46).

You do not have a biblical worldview.  You do not promote godly values.  

"I agree with Him [God] in all my heart, mind, and soul. What we disagree on is interpretation."

Sounds like lip service.  You may agree with a god but it does not sound like the God of scripture.

Response to comment [from]:  "[Y]eah, condoms won't help at all...."

The only safe sex is sex within marriage.  That is God's plan--the best plan.  When God says "Don't do it." He means "Don't hurt yourself." (A. Rogers).

"Let's also not forget transmission by blood contact, mother to baby, unfaithful partners etc...."

Right.  That's why I said "etc.".  If all fornication stopped, A.I.D.S. would end.  Obama won't offer that at the A.I.D.S. awareness campaign coming to the U.S.  He wants us to appear "tolerant" by lifting the ban--but that will never include "tolerance" for Christian values.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Can you judge them all? Oh wait, you just did."

Christians are to open their mouths and judge rightly (Prov 31:9).

"I certainly hope that you know that hearts of all those infected with HIV."

Did I say I know men's hearts? 

"I am sincerely sorry that you may have to pay via government for the health care of poor AIDS babies... oh wait, no I'm not."

Stealing prevents fornication? 

Response to comment [from a Satanist]:  "[S]ome people either never will learn..."

Mirror moment (25,000 posts later).  Jn 3:16.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "The world is a more expensive, complex place than it was several thousand years ago."

New morality is just.  Right and wrong remain the same.  Right and wrong are defined by God's word (that book Christians trust and obey ).

[Big Mac vs. Sodomite behavior]  "...[E]xplain why a secular government should intervene in one risky behaviour but not another."

Laws come from God.  The laws of a land reflect its values.  Our nation was founded in Judeo-Christian values.  I know those values rub you the wrong way.  What man calls "diversity" God calls "perversity".  Homosexuality is a crime against God and against nature (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).  How many more days will you side with the Sodomite over God while you call yourself a Christian?

[Claiming to be a Christian]  "What does that mean to you? When I think of behaving as a follower of Christ bashing gays doesn't even make the list."

Who bashes gays?  I give out the word of God.  

"Your attitude toward the word of God is your attitude toward Jesus (Ps 37:4)." David Jeremiah

"A Christian seeks to bring comfort and love to his neighbors and show God's grace by example."

Comfort-god.  Love is telling the truth.  Hatred is concealing it (Prov 27:5, Ro 1:16).

"I stand for the liberty and dignity of the individual..."

Homosexuality is very dignified.   

How kind of you to preach "liberty" when the homosexual is in bondage (Jn 8:34); "dignity" when his end is hell (1 Cor 6:9).  You lie to the homosexual (1 Cor 6:9).  You do not have his best interest in mind.  You are a coward at best and a devil at worst. 

Freedom is not doing what you want, it is doing what you ought (Rogers).

"You can't make someone accept Christ."

By all means point him in the wrong direction.  One who has humbled himself before the Lord does an about-face.  He turns toward God and his teaching not away from it.  He used to run toward sin, now he runs from it.  This is one way we know believer from the make-believer (1 Jn 2:4).

[Being of the left, you are all about "feelings".]  "You have no idea how wrong you are..."

Liberals were wrong about affirmative action.  It doesn't matter.  Liberals were wrong about heterosexual A.I.D.S..  It doesn't matter.  Liberals were wrong about global warming.  It doesn't matter.  Being on the left means never having to say you are sorry (Prager).  Try to move beyond stage-one thinking (Sowell) and consider the consequences of your ideas (Eccl 10:2).  

See:

Liberals and their child-like views  by Dennis Prager

"That's the thing about stereotypes. They will eventually make you look like a first-class dope."

I love stereotypes.   If you cannot recognize patterns in the world, you cannot have wisdom.

"I am here arguing for their rights."

Of course you are.  You've taken a stand against God (Lev. 18:22, Mt 16:23).  It is no small thing to become a Christian and then be nothing in the world.  You work wood, hay and straw (McGee, 1 Cor 3:12).  Everyone will know it one day.

"If salvation were as simple as keeping the commandments, we wouldn't need Christ in the first place."

We can't keep the commandments.  Christ working in us can.  We don't wink at sin.    

"I believe in evolution..."

Of course you do (Ge 1:1).

"...and the right of gay people to be gay people."

Of course you do (1 Cor 6:9).

"If that's what you think Christianity is about you are selling your faith waaaaaaay short..."

I have no doubt that you know the faith.  The demons know this and shudder (Jas 2:19).  You do not walk in the faith (2 Cor 13:5).

"If you have a talking faith that is not a walking faith, you have a mocking faith." ~ Jim Andrews

[Lip service]  "You wouldn't know, would you?"

Two people know your heart--you and God.  We only have a glimpse into it.  You reveal who you are by your compromise with evil

Humble yourself and ask God to reveal himself to you.  His spirit does not disagree with his word (Ro 8:9, Ps. 119:133).  What comes out of your mind and heart is not of him.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "...[I]n places like Africa where AIDS is a massive problem, simply preaching the gospel isn't going to fix the problem."

It would make all the difference in the world (Heb 4:12). 

"They need education, condoms, medical treatment etc as well."

This is what I tell my daughter--"You're going to do heroine, so here's a clean needle. Knock yourself out."

"You're going to stop everyone having sex? Good luck with that..."

As I said, forget the whole gospel of Jesus Christ thing.  The liberal's plan is better:  Sex, drugs and rock 'n roll. Make love not war.   I love liberal legacies.  Woman should not be beautiful like Eve (Prov 31), they should not be bald and act like men to be of value [Enyart].  Man's way is always best (Jn 10:10).

"Are you intolerant of everyone with HIV."

Should a child who has been the victim of fornication in his land who has now become infected with HIV be able to fly on an airplane to receive medical help?  Sure.  I did not say otherwise.  Should we share the gospel of Jesus Christ, encouraging people not to fornicate so that they can live? (Jn 10:10).  Yes.  That's a good idea (Mt 16:15).  

"...or just the ones who contracted it by homosexual encounters?"

Fornication (heterosexual or homosexual) is wrong.  You would not tow a boat with a Cadillac.  Neither should men and women use their bodies in way that they were not made for (1 Cor 6:18, Ge 5:2, Ge 2:24).

"Should we be intolerant to the child who contracted HIV from her Mother's breast milk? Or the woman who has HIV cause her husband slept around? What about the nurse who pricked her finger while caring for an AIDS patient?"

We should minister to people who need care.  Cleaning up after the mess that liberals leave in their wake is a large part of what Christians do [Enyart]. 

See:

What Christianity Has Done for the World

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "[P]lead the cause of the poor and needy, who are served in large part by the thing you seem hell bent on calling theft, though you have absolutely no Biblical or secular backing for that call...come on SD."

Ten percent and even that was voluntary (1Sa 8:15,17,Ge 14:20; Heb 7:6, Ge 28:22).  Life was good under God's rule and reign.  Life will be good again (Re 1:7).

"When a lawfully authorized agent of the government requires you to pay a certain percentage of your income in taxes it isn't theft and calling it that only paints every other opinion you offer in an unreasonable light."

Governments often act against God's law.  An example of this is that large, white residence on Pennsylvania Avenue.

[Judgement] "...the first to breath fire when the Pope does it once in a blue moon."

I don't breathe fire when the Pope speaks.  He might

See:

No Papal Authority

"I think it is consistent with Christian belief to say that a practice is immoral but peculiar to fail to mention that every sin will separate us from God absent repentance and the grace of Jesus Christ."

That would be peculiar.  Homosexuality is one sin among many.  But it is sin.  Because there are many other sins, should we fail to address this one?  (1 Cor 6:9).  Trust me--I would love nothing more than to never have to discuss homosexuality again.

"...[S]o few threads on gluttony or avarice or pride."

Start one.   I can more easily discuss too many Big Macs.  We don't know exactly how God ranks sin (Jn 19:11) but we can have a good idea because he gave us a nausea response. 

We are not to sympathize with evil (Lev 10:1-6).

Response to comment [from a Satanist]:  "Careful, TH! Queers are easy to go after because they're a minority. Start gunning for the greedy and the fat in this country and they'll run you out of town on a rail."

Tolerance applies to all but the Christian, right Graniteheart?

"Your ignorance and lack of understanding on the subject along with a lack of compassion isn't doing you any favours..."

Here they come out of the woodwork One does not have to roll in the mud to understand a pig.  Time to clean up and go the Father's house (Luke 15:11–32).  The pig returns to the mud.  He was never a Son.

Response to comment [from a Satanist]:  "SD, do you have a single original thought in your head...?"

Do you?  (Jn 8:44). 

"Yes, everybody, that's a rhetorical question."

Your fan bases is slithering (Ge 3:1).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "[I]t's about the freedom to live."

"Freedom is not about doing what you want; it's about doing what you ought." ~ Adrian Rogers

Except the homosexual lifestyle leads to death.

See:

The Homosexual Lifestyle: It's No White Picket Fence

"As long as bigots like you..."

Your day is not complete, until you call a conservative one the liberal's six favorite names:  sexist, Islamophobe, xenophobe, homophobe, racist, bigot (Prager).

We are one race--the human race (Ac 17:26)--a truth you rejected, remember?  

See:

Darwin's Plantation: Evolution's Racist Roots

Alinsky's Rule number 12:  "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it."  We know your playbook.  You libs never learn.  Ad hominems do not strengthen your argument.

"[S]ide with the Pharisees."

[T]he Pharisees were offended by Jesus' teaching.  Wouldn't that more appropriately describe you, the homosexual apologist?  (Mt 15:12; 21:45; Lu 16:14).

"The Word is for salvation, not oppression."

The homosexual is not oppressed? (Jn 8:34).  

"[Y]ou treat [the word of God]...like a set of shackles to be put onto people..."

The word of God does not enslave (Jn 8:36).

"[H]atred is filled with demands."

"Love is hatred to those who hate the truth [Enyart]."

"You offer nothing but more bondage..."

I offer the word of God which is freedom (Jn 8:36).  You stand for what God stands against (Mt 12:30).

"God doesn't force Himself on others, He respects human dignity."

God doesn't force himself on others.  He is healthy [Enyart].  God does not respect homosexuality (Lev. 18:22).  It is undignified.  He warns people and gives them every last opportunity to repent and live (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30).  There is forgiveness and hope in Christ.

"[W]ho wants to see that they live with the effects of living a double-life until the stress makes people flip out like that guy with the meth and the gay prostitutes down in the Springs?"

The homosexual lifestyle does not lead to good things.  Perhaps you see it is not all about love.  A homosexual does not love his "partner".  He is using him (Ro 1:27).

"Do you know what horrible things have been done to people in the name of sexual conformity?"

Men are to act as they were born (Deut 22:5).  This is the healthiest course.  What God says leads to live, what the liberal says leads to death (Jn 10:10).

"[Y]ou have the nerve to say that I don't have their best interest at heart?"

That's correct.  Right and wrong are defined by God.  Like a good liberal, you probably trust your heart, failing to realize that it is wicked (Jer 17:9).  Trust that God knows right from wrong.  Where you and God differ, you are wrong not him.

"I acknowledging his right, as a free adult, to live as he chooses."

Which is apathetic.  Christians care enough about the homosexual to tell him the truth (Pr 27:5).  "Homosexuals, like heterosexuals who commit fornication are guilty before God (Enyart)."  

God does not change (Mal 3:6).  The Bible has made it abundantly clear that homosexuality is sin (Lev. 18:22, 1 Cor 6:9).

"You don't hate gays enough- we don't want you in our clubhouse."

Who said this?  Formerly-gay men attend our church.  "Going to the Lord daily can cure the homosexual (J. Vernon McGee)."

"It isn't illegal to be gay..."

Homosexuality was a crime for 3500 years.  New morality does not cover up old sin (Nu 32:23). 

See: 

Judaism's Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected Homosexuality by Dennis Prager

"[Y]ou allow carnal revulsion to override your compassion."

What you call "compassion" I call apathy (a form of hatred [Enyart]).  Pr 27:5.

Response to comment [from a Satanist]: "[T]here's no need for the ban and it's an archaic holdover from a more ignorant decade."

I agree with you.  Fear was the main point.  Obama said the "decision [was] rooted in fear rather than fact".  We are able to take universal precautions to safely transport infected people.  I'm more fearful of the planned destruction of this nation.  As someone said, "You can't have a welfare state and open boarders."    

A father has two sons.  The first works hard and earns a decent income.  The second is a free-loader and won't get off the couch.  The father takes from the successful son and gives to the unsuccessful son.  Eventually, both sons give up. 

The Bible says if a man is unwilling to work, he will starve (Pr 19:15).  Successful people who obey God's laws and do all that they can do to lead a healthy life (Jn 10:10) will subsidize those who don't.  This is theft.

The liberal knows intuitively that he cannot care for himself so he puts the burden on another.  Conservatives value liberty.  Liberals value equality.  The former is American.  The latter in European.  

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "I agree that hearing the gospel is vital. However, simply saying to someone, 'you need to give your life to Jesus and stop sinning' isn't really going to fix anything if the person is too deep within their own sickness (sin) to hear it."

You give out the word of God.  What people do with it is their business. 

Tax dollar should not be spent buying condoms for fornicators.  Later in life when they've over-porned themselves and lost their God-given ability to bond, are we to buy them little blue pills as well?    Sexual sin leads to: defilement (Lev. 18:22–28), destruction 1 Cor. 5:1–5, and death (Lev. 20:13–16).  You're not going to be successful subsiding the natural consequences of rebellion toward God. 

"The problem is so wide spread and so deeply entrenched, it will take a whole lot more than just preaching the gospel to solve the problem. Honestly...get your head out of the Bible and take a look around, man."

Look around and see what following man's way leads to (Matt. 15:19, Jn 10:10).  The world perverts and inverts the word of God.

"Can married people still fornicate? Is that ok?"

Sexual love in marriage is good and holy (Gen. 1:27, 28; Gen. 2:24, 25, Prov. 5:15–20). 

"[W]e need to minister to those who need it....not fire and brimstone their butt to hell."

"I'd rather be called cruel for being kind than be called kind for being cruel (Robert Lee)."

"And certainly not 'pick and choose' who needs our care and ministry."

We spending out time cleaning up after liberals (Enyart).

Response to comment [from other]:  "Nobody can be a 'true Christian' unless they share your pompous piety and be right wing."

It doesn't matter what I think (Ga 4:16).  It matter what God says.  Truth is truth independent from me (Enyart).

"Your stupid little assertions about liberals underline that yet more along with your silly little insults."

Liberals promote lies and lies are dangerous.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  [Woodwork]  "You don't really sound like a Christian."

What is a Christian supposed to sound like?  (Mark 6:17, 18). 

Whenever there is a homosexuality thread, the atheists and agnostics come out of the woodwork.  ToL is cleaner than most debate sites, but it is a recognizable pattern.  Obviously those in rebellion toward God act depraved (1 Cor 6:9).

"[Y]ou decide who is worthy?"

No one is worthy of God's love and mercy (Ro 3:12).  That is why his offer of forgiveness is so extraordinary (Ro 5:8).

"What if I decide, because of your peremptory tone and incivility and parochialism that you are not worthy of my concern and my nurture and a portion of those services which my tax dollars provide? You owe some apologies for your rude and hateful comments. I am surprised at you!"

I'd be so devastated--I'd run into a hole and hide (1 Thes 4:1).

"Health care workers...Our jobs do not require that we stop to judge the worthiness of the patient for treatment."

I would never accuse you of judging anything (Pr 31:9).  You're too nice for that.  No one is worthy of Christ (Ro 3:12).  He is merciful (Ro 5:8).

Do-gooders -- if they'd only do good. ~ J. Vernon McGee

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Why are you ducking me all of the sudden, SD?"

Where?    Are you sure?  I'm sorry if I did.  I always enjoy speaking with you TH.

A few housekeeping items:  I search for that little yellow dot (in the hybrid view) and it seems when I refresh my screen sometimes it disappears and I miss a new post.   I'm not as tech-saavy as you all.

I'm not dis'ing you TH.  I'm givin' you your props.

"[W]ith respect to Enyart and Lee, why should their thoughts on a thing be more relevant than yours or mine?"

I like them so I quote them and try to remember to credit them with the thought or idea.  I also quote people who I disagree with like Dennis Prager.  Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 

I don't think their thoughts are more important than yours or mine.  I think a new born Christian often has more wisdom that an old, crotchety God-hater.  I think of that murder-suicide Arian-nation man at the holocaust museum who just died in prison.  They still say "alleged".   A whole life lived and he learned nothing. What a vile human being.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Still stuck on the difference between sin and crime?"

Still stuck on stupid?  (Eccl 10:2).

Sin is the transgression of God's law (1Jo 3:4).  Transgression of God's law is a crime.  Laws come from God not man.  This nation was founded on Judeo-Christians values.  Our governing document, The Constitution, reflects this reality. 

Liberals call The Constitution "living and breathing" so that they can distort and pervert the intent of the founders.  They try to reinvent history.  Why?  Pride and rebellion--do anything and everything to create a world without God.  Pride is believing that you can life without him.

[Ad hominem]

Answering equally to you (serpent:duh:), focusing on issues not people.  Do you need a review of your absurd, ongoing personal attacks on Ken Ham? 

See:

Ardi

Waskily

"[Y]ou don't have the right to force someone to stop being gay because you believe it is sinful."

Do you believe I image that I can force someone to stop being gay?  I don't have that scrubbing-bubble ability.  God does (Jn 8:36). 

"Human right of self-determination?"

We have the right to obey.  People go to hell if that is what they want (Lu 16:23).   

"[H]ow far you are willing to go to demonize homosexuals."

Homosexual behavior is sinful (Lev. 18:22).  Sharing that truth with the homosexual is loving (Prov 27:5). 

"Perhaps you hadn't noticed- this is the world." 

The world system (1 Jn 2:16).  You fit right in.

"Why do you keep bringing these people up [Enyart, McGee, Rogers, etc.] as though their words had some great weight?"

The reader with ears to hear may want to listen to them.  For those who do not projectile vomit and spin their head when hearing a Bible verse...

Denver Radio Recommendations:

7:00 am "Love Worth Finding" Adrian Rogers 670 am KLTT

8:00 am "Thru the Bible" J. Vernon McGee 670 am KLTT (or OnePlace.com)

8:30 am "In Touch" Charles Stanley 94.7 fm KRKS (or OnePlace.com)

9:00 am "Grace to You" John MacArthur 94.7 fm KRKS (or KRKS.com)

9:30 am "The Final Word" Jim Andrews 94.7 fm KRKS (or KRKS.com)

10:00 am "Food for Your Soul" Darrell Ferguson 560 am KLZ

10:30 am "Back to the Bible" Woodrow Kroll 94.7 KRKS (or KRKS.com)

11:00 am "Leading the Way" Michael Youssef 94.7 KRKS (or OnePlace.com)

1:30 pm "Born to Win" Ronald L. Dart 670 am KLTT

2:00 pm "News & Views" Larry Bates & Chuck Bates 670 am KLTT

3:00 pm "Bob Enyart Live" 670 am KLTT

4:00 pm "Crosswalk" Gino Geraci 94.7 KRKS (or KRKS.com)

6:00 pm "Adventures in Odyssey" Whit & the Gang" Whit & the Gang 990 am KRKS (or KRKS.com)

Response to comment [from other]:  "...[Y]our screwed opinion we are not a Christian Theocracy."

It's coming (Lk 21:27).  Man has proven he cannot rule and reign.  Tick...tick...tick...

"Noah went into the ark a minority.  He came out a majority (Adrienne Rogers)."

"Our Laws are decided upon by a consensus of men, not your god."

No good either (Ex 23:2).

"[T]he Constitution."

Read the Declaration of Independence and see the many references to God.  Why do you think that is?  The Constitution is our governing document.  It supports it.   

"[H]ow does it feel to be so wrong so often?

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "Our secular government..."

Don't buy it.  It is what you , who still smell like you are wearing your grave clothing want , but not the rest of us.  Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values.  Liberals try to change history but the fact remains.

See:

Faith of Our Founding Fathers

"While conservatives call it "dead and rotting"?"

One of yours is in charge presently.  He isn't the first.  He won't be the last. 

See:

Nimrod, the First Democrat (Enyart)

Certainly we are headed downward, but revival is always possible.  Either way, God is in control and we occupy until his return (Lk 19:13).     

"You are talking to me, not "liberals".  And I am talking to you, not Enyart, Prager, Roberts, AIG, or whoever else."

I quote them because they make good points.  

[Pride and rebellion]  "And stupid is pretending that you can understand everyone else's motivations better than they themselves do."

It's pretty obvious.  Pride is hatred toward God (Pr 6:16,17; 16:5) and Christ (Pr 8:12,13).  It leads to defilement (Mr 7:20,22).

"Particularly when it is YOU are rewriting history, trying to make some absurd leap from being Christian (most of them)..."

All signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christian in some form (Levine). 

"...to writing Christianity into The Constitution."

The Constitution is the governing document of our nation.  It supports the Declaration of Independence. 

"Those aren't personal attacks..."

Like what?  Serpent ?  Like attacking Ken Ham and every scientist on his site?  If you'd like to remain willfully ignorant that's your business. 

"Ken Ham's difficulties with science are very well-documented."

Don't let facts get in the way.  Sure, all the Christians I know promote evolution and homosexuality.

[Right to obey] "...right to disobey."

At least you're consistent.  We prefer leftist who are hypocrites (Enyart).  At least they'll make good decisions once in a while from the remnant of their conscience that remains.  Inevitably, they beat it back down again (1 Ti 4:2).   

"[P]eople have the right, and the responsibility to make certain decisions for themselves..."

That's right.  Decisions matter.  Those who care about others tell the truth (Pr 27:5).  Those on the left are governed by emotion (Eccl 10:2).  Those on the right are governed by godly principles.    

"Surely you can see the difference between telling someone that their behaviour is not pleasing to God and working that belief into a legal system and forcing them to follow those beliefs regardless of their own?  Surely you're not that thick-skulled?"

Surely you can't be serious that we should give our country over to god-haters.  Christians prefer God's rule and reign.  Devils try to drag us down into their pit of hell and we fight them.  A liberal comes to kill, steal, or destroy (Jn 10:10) and we come to stop them.

"If it weren't for the Bible verses I wouldn't be able to tell you apart from a Jew or a Muslim."

That's because you are hard of hearing (Mt 11:15).  "Whoever is not being a friend of God is being an enemy of mine." --Jim Andrews

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "Whining won't change the facts. Our government is secular..."Values" are not "laws"."

Good values escape you (Deut 28).  

[Nimrod, the first Democrat (Enyart)] "For someone who cries "ad hom" like the boy who cried wolf you sure do like using them yourself."

This what is called a fact not an ad hominem.  

Recommended Reading: 

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning by Jonah Goldberg

"Good sense escapes you. There is a big difference between personal values and government policy."

The laws of a nation describe who a people are.  The reason we became the greatest nation in the world is because of our Judeo-Christian founding.  God's hand of providence was on us (Deut 28).  It is a Christian land that gave you the freedom you enjoy now.  It is because of Christians that men have been able to worship freely. 

Laws come from God.  It is for man to discover them (Enyart).  If a nation observes God's commandments and his statutes, they are blessed (Deut 28:1).  If they depart from them they will be cursed (Deut 28:15).

"Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people (Pr 14:34)."

Too bad you do not agree with God on the exceeding sinfulness of sin (MacArthur).  Fornication (including homosexuality) is sin.  Our laws should reflect God's truth.    

We cannot create laws--civil, laws of science, etc.  We can only discover them.  When we add to or remove from God's laws, it is to our own peril (Rev. 22:18, 19).  Right and wrong are not decided by popular opinion (Ex 23:2).   Enyart (8 Jan 10, kgov.com).   

"That is a biased and silly opinion used in place of argument. That's an ad hom.  Recommended reading:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem."

Move over Sophocles (Ingraham).   From Nimrod, through the centuries, to Mussolini, to Hitler, to present, leftists think and act the same. 

Recommended Reading: 

Nimrod

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning by Jonah Goldberg

An ad hominem is a personal attack (leftist's favorites are: sexist, Islamophobe, xenophobe, homophobe, racist, bigot [Prager].) Offering that leftists think act the same historically is a truth claim.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Are there still bans in place for other diseases?"

Airline's SOC (System Operations Control Center) evaluate medical conditions and determine whether a person is fit to fly.  Some travelers are rejected for communicable diseases.  If someone has a funky open wound of some sort that looks suspicious, it would be wise to advise the crew.  

In my opinion, airlines not government, should determine who flies.  An airline who invests millions of dollars on equipment and personnel should be able to accept or reject people including high-risk Muslims.  C.A.I.R. won't allow this of course.  They flash the PC card and we bow.   

Do you like my "Infidel Air" concept?  Would you fly friendlier skies where people could bring on snow globes and dreidels again?  Where britches are britches not bombs?  We're going to be big.

Response to comment [from other]: "Honestly, do you really think they [our founders] would kill to separate from a theonomy merely to create another? Do you honestly think the would not go to great pains to ensure that that would not happen here?"

"The issue of the separation of church and state is one that has prompted much debate. In spite of the rhetoric common to revisionist historians, our founding fathers did not seek to eradicate religion in America. Indeed, an overwhelming majority of those who signed the Declaration of Independence counted themselves as men of faith. It may come as a surprise, then, for many to learn that nowhere in the Constitution do the words “separation of church and state” appear. It simply is not there. The idea of church/state separation came from a letter penned by Thomas Jefferson. Again, contrary to the nonsensical propaganda from the revisionists, Jefferson’s cause was to protect religious liberties from an intrusive government! In no way did Jefferson or any of the other framers of the U.S. Constitution seek to restrict Americans’ religious activities.

We live in a democracy rather than a theocracy—and for good reason. State-sanctioned churches become puppets of the government. Under such circumstances, the edicts of fallible man take precedence over the inspired teachings of Scripture. When the state heads the church, the integrity of the Gospel is all too easily compromised. Likewise, civil servants living on tax dollars are unfit for serving as pastors, for their loyalties are divided between the One who calls them and the other who feeds them. Such compromises do not belong in the pulpit. Let the government build roads and let Christ build His church..." Full text:  How should a Christian view the separation of church and state?  http://www.gotquestions.org/separation-church-state.html

Also see: 

Is the United States a Christian nation?

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "...[E]quality before the law is the foundation of liberty."

Patrick Henry did not say "Give me equality or give me death."  He said "Give me liberty or give me death."  Should people receive equal justice in court?  Yes (Jer 21:12, Jas 2:1-13).  Our laws are based on the Bible.  Should we feel entitled to take other's earnings?  No (Ex 20:17).  Covetousness is a characteristic of the wicked (Ro 1:29) and slothful (Pr 21:26).  It is commended by the wicked alone (Ps 10:3).  Torrey, R. (1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.

Response to comment [from a Satanist]:  "You went from lifting a travel ban to the destruction of your country?  Instead of trying to write a speech whenever you post, how about you stay on topic and respond to what people actually say?"

We know Graniteheart, you hate when others go off subject.  We go where the wind blows (Jn 3:8).  Those who know freedom know this. 

Are you still claiming to be joyful today?  You and your mimosas and biting the heads off rats?  I doubt it. 

Someone said:  Joy is the flag that is flown in the heart when the master is in residence.

Response to comment [from other]:  "Fear brought on by hate, intolerance, and purposeful misinformation that has only gone to help spread the disease."

Do you mean fear brought on primarily due to fornication (e.g. Africa).  Africa is dying.  They need the gospel of Jesus Christ not condoms. 

"Screw the heteroes and children with the disease..."

We discussed treatment and the flying public in the thread.  I don't think we settled on "forget those infected".  In fact, I think we agreed that Christians often have to tend to people who believed liberal lies in the first place (e.g. "Wear a condom and be happy while you dishonor God and your own body (1 Cor. 6:18).

"...they're only collateral damage in your War on Gay, after all."

Homosexuals contribute to the battle.  You don't fight a disease by spreading more bacteria and body fluids.    You stop fornicating to stop the spread of HIV and other venereal diseases. 

Response to comment [from other]:  "It is a no brainer to understand perfectly that one cannot have a freedom of religion without freedom from religion."

Good choice.   That is what Jesus came to do.  The law was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14).  Christianity is not so much a religion as it is a person. You'll be repenting of your wickedness now? (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30).

Response to comment [from other]:  "Can two, disease-free, monogamous homosexuals give one another AIDS or any other STD?"

TMI.   Consult a physician with a strong stomach. Better yet--go to Christ, the Great Physician (Lk. 5:12-15). All that God says leads to life (Jn 10:10).  

All that God says leads to life (Jn 10:10). All that you have in mind (Mt 15:19, Rom. 1:24, 26) leads to death (Ro 1:27, 1 Cor 6:9, 18).

Response to comment [from other]:  "So now Christianity "isn't a religion"?"

You wanted freedom from religion.  That is trust in Christ (Jn 8:36).

"Is that the newest manner in which you people are going to try and force religion back into school and government, by claiming it isn't a religion?"

We aren't large in numbers (Mt 7:14) and we don't use trickery (2Co 4:2; 1Th 2:3).  We tell the truth (Joh 17:17, Zec 8:16; Eph 4:25). 

"It never fails to amaze me he pure amount of twisting you people have to do to justify your religion."

So you've met make-believers (Ro 1:29) not believers. 

"Still waiting for you to prove your "Christian Nation"..."

It's coming (Mk 13:26).   Tick...tick...tick...

Response to comment [from other]:  "I want freedom of religion, just like our Founders did."

We want the same thing.  Christians have got it.  You need it (Jn 14:6, Jn 8:36). 

"I asked a simple question and got a non-answer in return."

People disappoint.  God doesn't.  Keep asking (Mt 7:7).

As one woman said, Christians should all wear a t-shirt "I'm not doing my best."  God isn't finished with us. 

"You want to impose your religion onto everyone else, as evidenced by your bible quote spamming."

Response to comment [from other]:  "This is a theology forum.  Did you want to discuss recipes?" 

Jesus--you can build on him or stumble on him. He'll be a stepping stone or stumbling stone (1 Cor 1:23, Ps 18:2, Luke 20:18). ~ Adrian Rogers

"Already debunked your revisionist site on another thread."

Alleged certainty fallacy. 

"[S]ome are now claiming that Christianity is not a religion..."

Good job Peter Jennings. "Who are these Evangelicals?" 

Response to comment [from a Satanist]:  [Quote:  "Christianity is not so much a religion as it is a person."]  "It's hands-down dumbest thing a Christian could say about their faith."

Spoken like a devil. You thought that you got to claim the "Freedom from Religion" banner?  (Col 2:14). 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "Enjoying your revisionism? And you have the gall to accuse liberals of trying to rewrite history?"

Love your seminar posts.   Your same arguments are on all the atheist sites. :yawn:  People love to belief lies (Eze 13:19).

"National prosperity is not rooted in national faith."

Forget that whole history of the world thing.

"Cyrus King of Persia, The Closing of The Golden Gate, The Destruction of Tyre, The Doom of Edom (Petra), The Flourishing of The Desert In Palestine, The Succession of Great World Kingdoms, The Rise and Fall Of The Empires and The Dating of Daniel, The Return Of Israel To The Land..."  Full text:  Prophecies

"..In [Daniel's] dream he saw a ram with two horns which trampled the whole earth. Then a goat with one large horn came and trampled the ram into the ground. At the height of his power the goat's large horn was broken off and replaced by four other horns. Out of one of these horns comes a little horn that extends itself toward the south and the east, including the Beautiful Land, i.e. the Jewish nation. This little horn which grows large interrupts the religious worship in the Jewish nation.

Again, although this is pretty figurative language, we are not free to interpret it anyway we please because Daniel himself tells us what it all stands for, and that interpretation is the core of Daniel's prophecy. Daniel explicitly states that the two-horned ram represents the Medio/Persian Empire. The fact that one horn is larger than the other signifies that in the Medio/Persian coalition, Persia became the dominant partner. Daniel then tells us that the goat is Greece, and the large horn is the first king. This king conquers the Medio/Persian Empire. We already know from our previous discussions that this large horn is Alexander the Great. Daniel goes on to tells us that four kings will replace Alexander, and this is exactly what history tells us too. Alexander the Great died of natural causes in 323 B.C. at the very early age of 32, at the height of his power. Alexander's son did not get to take over his father's kingdom so Alexander's four top generals split the kingdom among themselves. These four generals are, of course, the four subsequent horns. Alexander's kingdom was divided as follows: Lysimachus received Thrace and Bithynia; Cassander received Macedonia and Greece; Seleucus received Syria and Babylon; and Ptolemy received Egypt, Palestine, and Arabia. Out of Alexander's one, great, kingdom came these four kings and kingdoms, none of which was ever as great as Alexander or his kingdom. Now the four parts were not really equal. As we shall see two of the kingdoms became greater than the others became and continuously warred with each other to control the whole empire which had once been Alexander's. The two dominant kingdoms that emerged were the southern kingdom, Egypt, and the Northern Kingdom, Syria.

Daniel's prophecy goes on to tell us that a subsequent ruler of the northern kingdom, Syria, will extend its way to the south and east, and will also invade the Jewish nation. The prophecy also says that this king will not only fight against and conquer the Jewish nation, but he will stop the religious practices and worship in the city of Jerusalem. Finally, the prophecy says that this king will die, but not by human hands. What does all of this mean, and how does it compare to the historical record?

History tells us that one of the subsequent kings of Syria was called Antiochus Epiphanes IV, and he was a very ambitious and cruel person. Indeed, Antiochus did try to enlarge his kingdom by conquering the southern kingdom of Egypt. In fact, he attacked Egypt several times, but he was never successful. He finally ended up venting his frustration against the Jewish nation and the city of Jerusalem. Antiochus did invade Jerusalem and put a stop to the Jewish worship in Jerusalem in 168 B.C. In fact, Antiochus insisted that the Jews stop worshipping their God and worship him instead! Antiochus' oppression of the Jewish nation lasted just over six years. Eventually the oppression was so cruel that the Jews revolted and ran the Syrians out of their land. The fact that the oppression lasted just over six years is interesting because Daniel prophesies that the oppression will last 2,300 evenings and mornings. 2,300 evenings and mornings are of course, 2,300 twenty-four hour days, and 2,300 days is just over six years. So once again Daniel's prophecy is accurate even down to the detail of time! One final note on Antiochus. Antiochus did not die in battle, and he was not assassinated. He did not die by human hands. He died from a disease just as Daniel had foretold..."  Full text:   Daniel's Amazing Prophecies

Oh sure.  It's a great idea to stand against God (Deut 28).

[Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people (Pr 14:34).]  "[W]hy should our laws, the laws of a representative democratic republic, reflect the views of one minority?"

One with God is a majority.

"Do all Americans agree on what God's Truth is?"

We don't decide right and wrong by popular opinion.  The masses are evil (Ex 23:2).

"...[W] are talking about legal and illegal."

Laws are God-given (Mt 5:18). They are for men to discover (Enyart).

[Recommended Reading:  Nimrod, The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning] "That has nothing to do with anything..."

Sure, if you don't read it.  

"I guess you can't read anything that isn't preapproved by Prager or Enyart..."

Didn't you say that about Ken Ham, Jason Liele, Walt Brown, etc.?  Ad hominem/s. 

["Truth claim."]  Wha...? That doesn't make sense. 

Ad hominem is a personal attack.  A truth claim is a statement of truth.

Response to comment [from other]:  "This nation is indeed a secular nation...We were not founded as some "Christian Israel"." 

"Contrary to what you learned at college, America from its inception has been a religious country, and was designed to be one.

As the greatest foreign observer of America, the Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville, noted in his "Democracy in America," "Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power." Or, as the great British historian Paul Johnson has just written: "In [George] Washington's eyes, at least, America was in no sense a secular state," and "the American Revolution was in essence the political and military expression of a religious movement."

In fact, the Founders regarded America as a Second Israel, in Abraham Lincoln's words, the "Almost Chosen" People. This self-identification was so deep that Thomas Jefferson, today often described as not even a Christian, wanted the seal of the United States to depict the Jews leaving Egypt at the splitting of the sea. Just as the Jews left Egypt, Americans left Europe.

There has been a concerted, and successful, attempt over the last generations to depict America as always having been a secular country and many of its Founders as deists, a term misleadingly defined as irreligious people who believed in an impersonal god.

It is also argued that the values that animated the founding of America were the values of the secular Enlightenment, not those of the Bible — even for most of the Founders who were religious Christians.

This new version of American history reminds me of the old Soviet dissident joke: 'In the Soviet Union, the future is known; it's the past that is always changing...'"  Full text:  America Founded To Be Free, Not Secular

"...American Christianity has never been like European Christianity in its attitude toward Jews and Judaism. Jews have been equals and honored as such from even before the creation of the United States. Many of the founders studied Hebrew; Thomas Jefferson wanted the Seal of the United States to depict the Jews' exodus from Egypt; Yale University's insignia is in Hebrew; a verse from the Torah (Leviticus) is inscribed on the Liberty Bell; a rabbi attended George Washington's inauguration — the list of pro-Jewish expressions in U.S. history is endless. But perhaps most telling is the fact that although there have been any number of Christian countries and there are many secular ones today, it is the U.S. that calls itself Judeo-Christian..." Full text:  Born-Again President--White House Hanukkah 

"I want freedom of religion, just like our Founders..."

You want freedom--not from religion--but God.  Get your own universe.  Until then, he rules and reigns.  He required you to live in a certain economy.  Presently, it is grace.  You could just say "thank you"." 

"One can certainly debate theosophy without spamming bible quotes.  The difference with the weak of faith, like yourself, is that you hold up that spam like a defense against the world, a shield against simple logic and reason."

Why do you hate the Bible?  It reminds me of Enyart's warning quote before he quotes a Bible verse on his radio program: 

"WARNING WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON THERE ARE BIBLE VERSES UP AHEAD! FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ADVOCATE PLURALISM AND DIVERSITY, WE HERE AT TOL KNOW THAT YOU WOULD CENSOR ANYONE WHO WOULD DARE POST A BIBLE VERSE IN PUBLIC. THIS WARNING GIVES YOU FAIR NOTICE THAT RAW UNADULTERATED TRUTH IS ABOUT TO BE PRINTED!" Paraphrased by Pastor Kevin, co-host Bob Eyart Radio Program

Listen to Bob Enyart Live which airs around the world via the Internet at KGOV.com and throughout Colorado on 50,000-watt AM 670 KLTT. Also, you can get The Plot, Bob’s best-selling unpublished manuscript about the Bible, at our KGOV store or by calling 1-888-8Enyart (836-9278).

Tolerance for everyone but the Christian right?

Response to comment [from other]:  Can two, disease-free, monogamous homosexuals give one another AIDS or any other STD?

If you'll forgive me for not answering, I'll forgive you for asking.

"Your unwillingness to answer a simple question proves that your only logic for hating homosexuals is based on ignorance."

I don't hate homosexuals--which is why I tell them the truth (Pr 27:5).  Some things are too vile to discuss (Ro 1:26, 27).

"The religious view of homosexuals has permitted the disease to spread.  You people only have yourselves to blame for the spread of the disease."

A trait of the wicked is to blame others (Ge 3:12).

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  If you are so interested in truth please answer her question and tell all of us if disease can spontaneously form from nothing.

You never seem interested in truth (Jn 14:6).

I don't need to go into specifics of the depravity of homosexuality.  Suffice it to say, when God says don't do it, he means don't hurt yourself. 

"Using your body in a way that God did not intend, is like hitching a plow to the back of a Cadillac. You'll destroy your car. Disobey God and you'll destroy not only your physical body , but your heart, mind and soul as well (Pv 5:11). God is not a cosmic killjoy just wanting to take away your fun (Hanegraaff). Every kick has its kick back (Rogers). The playboy's payday is death (Rogers). Payday-- someday. Our lives belong to God. They are not our own. Dishonoring ourselves is dishonoring God as we are made in His image.

We are eternal beings made for more than gaining merely grabbing our cookies in this life. When we do what we would like with our bodies, we claim authority for ourselves. God has better plans for those who would heed His warning Him. "I know the plans that I have for you, declares the Lord. They are plans for peace and not disaster, plans to give you a future filled with hope (Jer 29:11, GWT)." But if we thwart His plan and usurp His authority we are headed for disaster in this life and in eternity.

As our heavenly parents warn us to look both ways before crossing the street, our heavenly Father warns us about things which will lead to death, disease and destruction such as fornication and homosexuality. God made us. He really does know what is best for us and wants the best for us. God gives us guidance for our good and for our survival (Deut 6:24). But as children rebel against earthly parents, God's creation rebels against Him..." Full text:  Armor of the Lord   http://vananne.com/armorofthelord/

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "They cant wait to get back into the law."

We do not live under the law.  We live under the dispensation of grace.  "The greatest sin is sinning against love (J. Vernon McGee)."

Response to comment [from a Satanist]:  "You don't have a single thought in your head that you don't puke up from somebody else and you are truly a dense, clueless human being."

A boy was told by his mother "Go over there and sit down."

The boy said, "No."

The mother took him by his hand and sat him down.

The boy huffed and puffed, "I'm standing up on the inside."

25, 169 posts later,  you're a rebellious, little boy.

There's plenty to talk about.  You're stuck on an ABC book.

Response to comment [from other]:  "government and religion separated..."

So, you've gone to college.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]:  "You are a simpleton..."

Ad hominem.

"This isn't about prophecy, it's about about history."

Ronald L. Dart says that "a good place to start looking at prophecy is Isa. 41:23. God challenges false gods, "show the things that are to come hereafter." Let them show the former things that are useful for prophecy. Wanna-be profits are not anchored in history. God does not send us a prophet to tell us how well we are doing. They bring us no "feel good message". Why should God tell us about the future? To repent. If you will not respond to the written Word, you won't do even better if one rises from the dead.

Prophecy deals with divine inspiration with some moral content. Most are interested in apocalypse, or future events. 

Prophecy was sent to correct sin. Men are interested in future events not changing their lives..."  Full text:  Prophecy Puzzle

[It's a great idea to stand against God (Deut 28).]  "Doesn't matter if it's a great idea or a lousy idea- it's not your decision to make, it's not the government's decision..."

Who would you suggest step up to lead? 

[We don't decide right and wrong by popular opinion. The masses are evil (Ex 23:2).] "It still isn't about right and wrong."

What is it about? (Mt 6:33).

You still didn't read the definition [of ad hominem], did you? 

Who needs wikipedia when we have you?

Response to comment [from other]:  ["A trait of the wicked is to blame others (Ge 3:12)."] "Your response is as mature as to be expected."

What does maturity have to do with wickedness?

"It was Christianity that drove homosexuals underground...The only thing "wicked" are you people and the hate you foment."

The wicked blame others for their problems (Ge 3:12).  You hate because you will not tell the truth (Pr 27:5).  Those who love others tell them the truth.  Homosexuality is forbidden (Lev. 18:22); it is considered an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24); and it is unclean (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).

Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1995). Nelson's quick reference topical Bible index. Nelson's Quick reference (293). Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "My dear Serpentdove, I must ask if you are possibly looking in a mirror with that last rather specious post? I have found Granite to be an astute observer of life, all things being considered."

Granite may be an astute observer but he is also an astute manipulator of all that God stands for.  As usual, you rebuke the wrong party.  No doubt you would have rebuked John the Baptist for rebuking Herod (Mark 6:17, 18). 

Too bad you don't recognize a deceiver who works against the kingdom of God:

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