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Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[S]upposing that God is humanized enough to think and have opinions..."

You think and have opinions. Why wouldn't God thinks and have opinions? What would make you projective vomit

for example?

"...The church at Laodicea was neither cold, openly rejecting Christ, nor hot, filled with spiritual zeal. Instead, its members were lukewarm, hypocrites professing to know Christ, but not truly belonging to Him (cf. Matt. 7:21ff.). I will vomit you out of My mouth. Just like the dirty, tepid water of Laodicea, these self-deceived hypocrites sickened Christ."

MacArthur, John Jr: The MacArthur Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville : Word Pub., 1997, c1997, S. Re 3:16

Also see:

Re 3:15-16 J. Vernon McGee

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "...He is thinking: "He who hears you hears Me."

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "And note that "you" here refers specifically to the ordained leaders of Christ's historic Church--not every individual layman..."

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I don't know a lot about Catholicism, but I do know one thing: they believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Since that is what we must believe in order to be saved, why does everyone worry about the other stuff?"

He pretends to be true (Matt. 7:22, 23). All say no play (Jude 1:12) .

"One of the most unbelievable, yet fiercely held, traditions of the Roman Catholic Church is its dogma of transubstantiation. First pronounced at the Fourth Lateran Council in l2l5 AD, it declares the entire substance of bread and wine is transformed into the actual body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ Each Catholic priest is said to have the Spirit's power to call Jesus down from heaven through this miracle of transubstantiation. Thus Jesus becomes physically present on Catholic altars so that priests can offer Him again to the Father for the sins of the living and the dead. After the offering, God is eaten by Catholics when they ingest the Eucharist. Without question, the Roman Catholic Church regards Christ's real presence in the Eucharist a dogma of utmost importance. According to paragraph1324 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), the Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life." It teaches us: "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained" in the Eucharist (CCC, 1374). This is a non-negotiable dogma because the Council of Trent placed a curse or anathema on anyone who does not believe it (Canon 1). Furthermore, Catholics must consume the Eucharist because it is a necessary requirement for their salvation (CCC, 1359). If Catholic priests can indeed change bread and wine into the body and blood of the infinite Christ, and if indeed consuming His body and blood is necessary for salvation, then the whole world must become Roman Catholic to be saved from the wrath of God..." Full text: Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries, Newsletter Vol. 16.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "So a biased web site is the best proof you can find...Why not look at true Catholic doctrine and make your case..."

Mike Gendron was a Roman Catholic for over 30 years.

He know what he's talking about.

See:

Vid. Catholicism vs Christianity by Mike Gendron

He's either right or he's wrong (Jude 11). If he's wrong, it's negative. If he's right, it's positive (Ro 1:16).

You'll thank him later.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "...[S]erpent's personal preferences and theological opinions?"

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[S]urely you can find a factual website..."

Where have they [pro-gospel.org] misrepresented Catholicism?

And don't call me Shirley.

"If I were dead set against something, it would not be because someone told me that I should be, but because I have looked at the facts, and logically reached a conclusion from a balanced and unbiased viewpoint."

As you said: "I don't know a lot about Catholicism...". Ask Cruciform if he can give you biblical support for any of these false teachings. When you hear the cricket sounds, let's talk again.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "What "cricket sounds"? serpent has been answered on this point on numerous occasions. He just chooses not to remember..."

"Oops! Here Gendron wrongly assumes that the doctrine of Apostolic Succession means that the bishops are apostles, which is entirely incorrect..."

The article states: "They say their bishops are successors of the apostles..." Eph 4:14. Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries Newsletter Vol 20 No. 3

"The doctrine of apostolic succession is the belief that the 12 apostles passed on their authority to successors, who then passed the apostolic authority on to their successors, continuing throughout the centuries, even unto today. The Roman Catholic Church sees Peter as the leader of the apostles, with the greatest authority, and therefore his successors carry on the greatest authority. The Roman Catholic Church combines this belief with the concept that Peter later became the first bishop of Rome, and that the Roman bishops that followed Peter were accepted by the early church as the central authority among all of the churches. Apostolic succession, combined with Peter’s supremacy among the apostles, results in the Roman bishop being the supreme authority of the Catholic Church – the Pope.

However, nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession.” Further, neither is Peter presented as “supreme” over the other apostles..." Full text: Is apostolic succession biblical? Was the authority of the Apostles passed on to their successors?

Also see:

What is the Apostolic Church and what do Apostolics believe? What was the origin of Apostolicism?

Who were the early church fathers? What were the beliefs and practices of the early Christian church fathers?

Your church does not hold some special knowledge

that others cannot attain (Mt 15:9, Ga 1:6-8, Eph 4:14).

Gnostics taught this.

"...[I]t's much easier and quicker simply to affirm the Church's teachings to begin..."

No one would ever accuse you of doing the hard work of Bible study (Ac 17:11).

Your biblical illiteracy is shameful ( Mt 7:23).

You will believe the lie (2 Thess 2:11).

"2:11 strong delusion. People who prefer to love sin and lies rather than gospel truth will receive severe, divine recompense, as do all sinners. God Himself will send judgment that insures their fate in the form of a deluding influence so that they continue to believe what is false. They accept evil as good and a lie as the truth. Thus does God use Satan and Antichrist as His instruments of judgment (cf. 1 Kin. 22:19–23)." MacArthur, John Jr: The MacArthur Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville : Word Pub., 1997, c1997, S. 2 Th 2:11

You are a human being.

God does not ask you to violate wisdom. Two banquets are set. Where will you choose to sit? Fear God (Prov. 1:7)

not men (Isa 51:12).

See:

Pr 9:1-18 Way of Wisdom vs Way of Folly; J. Vernon McGee, John MacArthur

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "God destroyed the second temple and there will not be a third one."

Wrong. "A rebuilt temple will exist during the time of the Tribulation (Dan. 9:27; 12:11; Matt. 24:15; 2 Thess. 2:4)." MacArthur, John Jr: The MacArthur Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville : Word Pub., 1997, c1997, S. Re 11:1

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [To a Catholic] "You are Catholic and feel you must defend the Church, even if it means bending the truth."

"Ouch." ~ E.T. 2 Tim. 3:8

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [RCC] "Self-proclaimed authority"

They become their own god. Cain also approached God the wrong way. :olinger:

The third thing that Cain’s offering denied was that man cannot offer works to God—Cain felt he could. Scripture says: “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5). The difference between Cain and Abel was not a character difference at all, but the difference was in the offerings which they brought. These two boys had the same background. They had the same heredity. They had the same environment. There was not that difference between them. Don’t tell me that Cain got his bad disposition from an alcoholic grandfather on his father’s side—he didn’t have a grandfather. And don’t say that Abel got his good disposition from a very fine grandmother on his mother’s side. They just didn’t have grandparents. They had the same heredity and the same environment. The difference was in the offerings.

That offering makes a difference in men today. No Christian takes the position that he is better than anyone else. The thing that makes him a Christian is that he recognizes that he is a sinner like everyone else and that he needs an offering, he needs a sacrifice, and he needs Someone to take his place and to die for him. Paul says of Christ: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood …” (Rom. 3:25). Therefore Paul could further write: “For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God” (Rom. 10:3). That is the picture of multitudes of people today. They are attempting through religion, through joining a church and doing something, to make themselves acceptable to God. God’s righteousness can only come to you—because it must be a perfect righteousness—through Christ’s providing it for you. “Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification” (Rom. 4:25). That is, He was raised for our righteousness. He was the One who took our place. “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him” (2 Cor. 5:21). Paul says in Philippians 3:8–9, “… That I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ ….” The righteousness of Cain was his own righteousness. The righteousness of Abel was faith in a sacrifice that looked forward to Christ’s sacrifice.

McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 1:ix-30

Response to comment [from other]: "True Christians do not make judgments about others..."

Who told you that? Hillary Clinton? Pr 31:9

Modern day Pharisees. Gal. 1:6–8, Matt. 15:9, Eph. 4:14.

"The Bible clearly tells us that the only way to come to God is through faith in Jesus Christ. However, faith is misunderstood. Jesus warned against false faith or non-saving faith in Matthew 7:21-23.

He said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you: Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" Saving faith should not be confused with faith in a profession, or faith in faith, or faith in a decision, or faith in a prayer..." Full text: Soteriology - Two Kinds of Faith

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Other Christian sects realize it is the duty of each believer to become informed of the Bible and not be swayed by every wind of doctrine."

Cruciform rejects the gospel of grace (Ac 20:24).

Love comes from the Father, grace from the Son, and power by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit gives us physical, mental and spiritual abilities.

We call Cruciform "all say no play' (Jude 1:12)

because he does not have the Holy Spirit. No one can bow to the Lordship of Christ with without the Spirit (Eph 3:14).

No natural person can put to death the power of the flesh.

Ferguson.

Ditch pride. Start with the grace of God. Jn 14:26; 16:13, 2 Ti 2:7, 1 Thes 5:18-19

"The Holy Spirit will not steer you if you are parked." ~ Darrell Ferguson

See:

Fellowship with the Spirit, Part 12b by Darrell Ferguson

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Protestants and Catholics alike agree on the divine nature of Christ..."

Too bad you don't know the God of the Bible. You honor someone but it isn't the Lord.

See:

No Sacrifice

"He chose poorly"

~ Grail Knight, Indian Jones and the Last Crusade

You removed the scripture from my quote. It is what you do (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12).

Cruciform rejects the gospel of grace (Ac 20:24).

There are not two gospels. There is one gospel.

It is one of grace (Ac 20:24).

"Roman Catholicism vs. historical, biblical Christianity: "We have different authorities, we believe different gospels, we worship different Christs, we are led by different spirits and we are on different paths to eternity. Compare this with the unity the apostle Paul described with those who are in one body and one ......Spirit, with one hope; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, on God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all (Eph 4:4-6)..." Full text: No Idolatry & False Teaching

You have thus far supported a gospel of works

not grace (Ga 1:6-8).

See:

Works vs Faith

You removed the scripture from my quote. It is what you do (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12).

We call Cruciform "all say no play' (Jude 1:12) because he does not have the Holy Spirit. No one can bow to the Lordship of Christ with without the Spirit (Eph 3:14).

Too bad you are ashamed of the Lord and his word (Mk 8:38).

You removed the scripture from my quote. It is what you do (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12).

Truth is truth independent from me (Ac 5:29, Mt 15:9).

"No one really cares about your personal opinion on the supposed meaning of the Bible."

False premise.

"...[L]et’s examine the Roman Catholic claim that it is the “first church.” Nowhere in the New Testament will you find the “one true church” doing any of the following: praying to Mary, praying to the saints, venerating Mary, submitting to a pope, having a select priesthood, baptizing an infant, observing the ordinances of baptism and the Lord’s Supper as sacraments, or passing on apostolic authority to successors of the apostles. All of these are core elements of the Roman Catholic faith. If most of the core elements of the Roman Catholic Church were not practiced by the New Testament Church (the first church and one true church), how then can the Roman Catholic Church be the first church?" Full text: What was the first / original church? Is the original / first church the true church?

External religion is worthless. Empty ritualism and ceremonialism

does not save. Jesus saves (Isa 63:9; Eph 5:23).

"Ritualism

is nothing more than a rut, and the only difference between a rut and a grave is the length and the depth." ~ Chuck Smith

Who cares what I say. What does God say? False premise. External religion is worthless. Empty ritualism and ceremonialism does not save. Jesus saves." Ritualism is nothing more than a rut, and the only difference between a rut and a grave is the length and the depth." ~ Chuck Smith. Truth is truth independent from me."

Non causae ut causae (claiming victory despite defeat)

Antichrist means opposed to or instead of. Understand the spirit of

antichrist (1 Jn 4:2-6).

See:

The Jesus test, the gospel test, and the fruit test

Non causae ut causae (claiming victory despite defeat) "...[J]ust like serpent's own claim quoted above."

Imitation is the highest form of flattery

We know one of these days

you will reply without the use of a logical fallacy.

[Repeated use of

logical fallacies] "Now go ahead and cite the number of the post in which I supposedly engage in a logical fallacy."

It would be easier to cite the number of the post where you do not use a logical fallacy.

The learning curve is flatlining

but we hold out hope.

Mt 23:27, Ps. 119:104, 130

[Repeated use of

logical fallacies] "Then it should be exceedingly easy for you to cite the number of a post in which I supposedly do so. Go ahead, then..."

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "[J]ust by naming a fallacy, you commit it."

Plankton (right click, open) Identifying a

logical fallacy is not committing a logical fallacy.

Do I know you?

"John was commenting the Gnostic group be battled with were anti christ and it had nothing to do with the end times anti christ. You made the dame humiliating error..."

"You are not brought upon this world to get it!"

Lo Pan ~ Big Trouble in Little China

Cruciform has pride like the Gnostics of old. Neither he nor his church (Rev. 3:14–22)

have anything special

to teach us which we cannot learn from the word of God.

The scriptures are full and sufficient (Lk 16:29,31), an unerring guide (Pr 6:23; 2 Pe 1:19), able to make men wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus (2 Ti 3:15).

False teachers are here (1 Tim. 4:1–3) and they will get worse (2 Tim. 4:3, 4).

If you don't get it,

get this: Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Two thoughts: The "word of God" as written in the Bible is "sufficient" to save us "but" His Church makes things a little easier..."

What do you mean by his church? Christ (not your Pope) if the foundation-stone of His church (1 Co 3:11; Eph 2:20; 1 Pe 2:4,5). The Roman Catholic Church is an apostate church (Rev. 3:14–22).

They make things more difficult not easier (Ga 5:9). Find yourself a Bible-believing church (Rev. 3:7–13).

You are on a losing

team (Mt 16:18).

You're not "whole" if you believe in a gospel of works that does not save. Plans and programs do not save (Matt. 15:9). Cults and 'isms do not save (1 Tim. 6:3–5). Jesus saves (Jn 14:6). Jesus alone saves (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12).

See:

Works vs Faith

"The Church also makes sure we don't go off the deep end in interpreting scripture."

If that is true, why do they go off the deep end? Mt 7:16.

Not one of these teachings is biblical.

You removed the scripture from my quote (Jn 1:1). It is what you

do (Eph 4:14, Mr 7:9-13, Re 22:18,19).

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

Would you have yelled "crucify him"?

Mt 27:22. He'll be your savior or he'll be your judge (Lk 19:27).

See:

Reformation Time Line

[Modern day Pharisees.

Gal. 1:6–8, Matt. 15:9, Eph. 4:14.] "I am sure the Catholics on here are going to feel bad for your godly reward for your hate mongering and/or bigotry. They will be sitting in the presence of God and see you not there with a huge...look in your eyes telling God his she had it wrong and you belong [sic]."

There are not two gospels. There is one gospel and it is one of the grace of God (Ac 20:24).

Have we met?

[Repeated use of

logical fallacies] "That's what I thought. You cannot cite a single post in which I actually engage in a logical fallacy."

You’re projecting again.

You've already demonstrated that you aren't interested in God's word (Eph 4:14, Ps 17:4). You have no integrity and you are an antichrist (1 Jn 4:2-6). link

If everything you believed were wrong, would you want to know?

[Citing repeated use of

logical fallacies] "If you could have, you would have..."

Proof please.

You've shown that you aren't interested in God's word (Eph 4:14, Ps 17:4). You have no integrity and you are an antichrist (1 Jn 4:2-6). link

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "...[Y]ou rely on what another man teaches you.."

"You are not brought upon this world to get it!"

Lo Pan ~ Big Trouble in Little China

If you don't get it,

get this: Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

"You stated earlier that it would be harder to find a post where I didn't do as you claimed. So it should be exceedingly easy for you to cite just one of my posts..."

Ease. Noun: Absence of difficulty or effort: "he gave up tobacco with ease".

[Why would you like me to do this?] "To demonstrate---rather than merely assert---the truth of your posted claim about me."

To be intolerant toward evil is a virtue. We need more intolerance (Re 2:22, Isa 5:20, Pr 17:15, Pr 24:24, Jer 48:10). You can tell how godly your character is by what makes you angry.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "I've wondered what non-Catholics do with the bible verses on marriage and divorce? It seems to me that one of the only churches following the "Word of God" in these matters is the Catholic Church. Does SD have a biblical verse or two, to show us?"

McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 4:440

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [Proof of accusation that I am a liar ] "No need, ...since I wasn't offering it as an argument, but merely as an observation..."

Do you argue or observe here at TOL?

[Lying] "That precedent can be seen here...

Non causae ut causae (claiming victory despite defeat)

[Do you argue or observe here at TOL? ] "Both, depending on what the circumstances call for."

When observing or arguing avoid the use of logical fallacies.

"...[Y]ou're full of it..."

Isa. 63:10; Matt. 12:31, 32 Luke 12:10. Mark 3:29 Luke 2:10; 1 John 5:16; Acts 5:9. Acts 5:3, 9; Acts 7:51; Acts 8:18–22; Eph. 4:30; Heb. 10:29

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "...You are of the dumbest flock of sheeple a Xian chat board has ever seen..."

1 Cor 1:27, Jn 10:27

"Show I"m foolish, show I'm weak..."

I wouldn't say such a thing.

I wouldn't say such a thing. LMFAO

"You also won't defend your misuse of scripture..."

We give out the word of God. What men do with it is their business (Lk 24:27, Ro 15:4, 1 Co 2:13, 2:10-14, Ps 119:130, 1 Th 2:13, 1 Pe 4:11, 1 Thes 2:13, Deut 6:7, 11:18).

I workout.

"Still waiting for you to cite a single post to substantiate your lie that I have ever engaged in a logical fallacy..."

Still not feelin' it.

You did not give a reason for why I should evaluate each of your posts.

What purpose would it serve?

Last name ever first name greatest…

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Scriptural references] "...[N]one of them ever say what you imagine they say..."

Your understanding of scripture will be limited by: unbelief (Jn 8:43), unregeneracy (Eph. 4:18), spiritual blindness (Isa 6:9, 10), judicial punishment (Isa 44:18, 19) and difficulties (2 Pet. 3:16). Thomas Nelson Publishers: Nelson's Quick Reference Topical Bible Index. Nashville, Tenn. : Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1995 (Nelson's Quick Reference), S. 630

See:

Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List )

I workout.

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "God's not Catholic?"

All Christians are born again.

See:

You Christians go on and on about being born again. I'm not one of those types

"I made a couple of good jokes sd . . . don't spoil it."

"You know what the difference is between you and me? I make this look good." (right click, open) ~ Jay, Men in Black Eph. 6:16; 1 John 2:13

"The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking." - A.A. Milne

Ex 23:2, Phil 3:8, Eph 1:17

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Jesus never skips a mass!"

God could never be contained in a box...or a temple...or a wafer...or a banana (1 Ki 8:27).

"It doesn’t do any good to know a god who isn’t the true God. If you worship some other god beside the God of the Bible and you love that god--that doesn’t do any good—that isn’t the true God. If I pick up a banana and call it Jesus and I love it--so what? That doesn’t make me saved. It just makes me loony..." Full text: Life of Jesus Volume 1: Jesus Tests and Builds Faith Pt 4a by Darrell Ferguson. Edited sermon notes

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "...or a burning bush...or a pillar of fire...or the Ark of the Covenant...or the Temple in Jerusalem. Or a man named Jesus Christ---right?"

Jn 4:24

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [God] "[W]hy did he establish a whole Priesthood in the order of Melchizedek?"

The Lord (not the Pope) is the head of his church (Eph 1:22; 5:23).

The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek [Ps. 110:4].

"Here is another very important truth: the Lord Jesus is a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. This is developed in the Epistle to the Hebrews, because it is one of the greatest truths in the Word of God. At this point let me lift out just one portion from Hebrews: “As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec” (Heb. 5:6–10). The priesthood of the Lord Jesus is superior to the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood of the Old Testament. These verses show both the deity and the humanity of the Lord Jesus Christ." McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 2:835

SD: [Christ is the head of his church….The statement is true or it is false.]

Cruciform: "It's false..." link

"Blasphemy is the act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God. Pope Benedict and previous poses have claimed to be Holy Father, Head of the Church, Vicar of Christ Infallible Teacher and the Highest Priest (Pontificus Maxims)--five titles reserved for the triune God..." Full text: Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries Newsletter Vol. 17 No. 7

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Rome has a much more Biblical model than Protestants do..."

We believe the word of God (Ps. 119:142, 151, 160).

You should too (Psa. 50:16, 17; Prov. 1:29, 30; Prov. 13:13; Isa. 5:24; Isa. 28:9–14; Isa. 30:9–11; Isa. 53:1; Jer. 6:10; Jer. 8:9; Hos. 8:12; Amos 2:12; Mic. 2:6; Luke 16:31; Luke 24:25; John 3:20; John 5:46, 47; John 8:37, 45; 1 Cor. 1:18, 22, 23; 2 Tim. 3:8; 2 Tim. 4:3, 4; 1 Pet. 2:8; 2 Pet. 3:15, 16; Rev. 22:19).

[Catholicism's Attitude Towards the Bible Pro-Gospel Ministries] "The true attitude of many Catholic's toward the Bible is manifested when they try to disprove the Bible as the supreme authority in matters of faith. This should come as no surprise since the Catholic religion has a long history of disrespect for God's infallible and inerrant Word.

There are several examples that punctuate this utter disrespect. The Roman Catholic religion claims that the Bible does not contain all the truths which a Christian is bound to believe (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 72). Catholicism also says the Bible does not contain everything God taught about salvation (A Catechism for Adults, p. 52); is not clear and intelligible (The Faith of Our Fathers, pgs. 70, 152); is a dead book (Question Box, p. 67); and does more harm than good (Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, p. 274). These and many other comments against the Bible, reveal that Catholicism is not a loyal friend of the Bible but a forceful enemy that needs to be confronted. Roman Catholicism constantly seeks to undermine, weaken, oppose and nullify the Bible from its God-ordained place of authority.

IIn contrast to the above, we emphatically affirms that the Bible is a safe and sufficient guide to eternal life. It is within the reach of every truth seeker and it does indeed contain all the truths God taught about salvation. From God's Word we read: "You have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" (2 Tim. 3:15:16). The question of the hour is: Who shall we believe, God or man? "Let God be true but every man a liar " (Rom. 4:3)." Full text: Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries Newsletter Vol. 17 No. 4

So, believe the Bible.

A false christ cannot save.

"Satan has created a counterfeit Christ who is unable to save Catholics completely and forever. This counterfeit Christ needs another gospel to instruct Catholics what they must do to be saved. Catholics must ask this question. Which is worse--to be condemned by a false apostate religion or by a Holy and Righteous God?" Full text: Evangelicals and Catholics Who's Bashing Whom? Pg 8

"God's kindness is meant to lead sinners to repentance, but a stubborn and unrepentant heart stores up His wrath for the day of judgment (Rom. 2:4-5)..." Full text: The Role of Repentance in the Salvation of Sinners

Also see:

Catholicism's Attitude Toward the Bible Pg 3

"[W]hat is the basis for your false assumption that I somehow don't believe Jn 4:24...?

If that were true, you would acknowledge the fact that the Lord cannot be contained in a wafer.

See:

No Sacrifice
Instead, you defend your church's false teaching.

"If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really and substantially contained...let them be anathema (Council of Trent, Session 12).

"Actually, it is the very fact that "God is Spirit" which ensures that he can be present absolutely anywhere he chooses..."

Your religion is blasphemous.

"As incredulous as this sounds, Catholicism teaches that the resurrected and glorified Jesus Christ returns daily to Catholic alters to be worshipped as a sin offering in the form of a wafer. Its priests are said to have the power to reach up into the heavens and bring Christ down from His throne to be offered again as the Victim for the sins of man. According to Father John O'Brien, in his popular book, The Faith of Millions, "the priest speaks, and Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command." This is not only a fatal lie but the most wretched form of blasphemy. The idolatrous worship of a wafer as the true Christ is no different than the idolatrous worship of a golden calf as the true God who delivered the Israelites out of Egypt (Exodus 32:4). Both are hated by God and are punishable by death. The Eucharist is irrefutably and undeniably a false Christ because Scripture declares Jesus will remain in Heaven until He appears "a second time, not to bear sin" (Heb. 9:28)." Full text: God's Word Exposes Ten Fatal Flaws of Catholicism

Priest's "holy" water

is just--water.

[Rome Usurps the Sovereignty of God] "Catholic priests are said to be able to do what only God can do, and that is, bring those who are dead in sin to life in Christ. As the priest sprinkles the water of baptism, the baptized is said to be reborn as a new creature, adopted as a son of God, purified of all sin and justified (1263-66). This false teaching violates the sovereign regenerating work of God. Those who become sons of God are born again, "not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:13). They are saved on the basis of God's purpose and grace (2 Tim. 1:8-9)." Full text: God's Word Exposes Ten Fatal Flaws of Catholicism

The Pope cannot save anyone.

Ga 5:9

[The Deception of Religion by Mike Gendron] "When you ask most religious people what they are trusting to gain entrance into heaven, they rarely mention the name of Jesus. That's because their religion is ultimately the object of their faith. They trust their self righteous clergy and their religious works and rituals to keep them heaven bound. Tragically, they cannot see the glory and sufficiency of Christ Jesus. They have been blinded from the truth of the Gospel by religious indoctrination, a most effective tool of Satan (2 Cor. 4:4). His primary goal is to confuse people by corrupting and mangling truth as much as possible. Many victims of religious indoctrination are content to blindly trust their unregenerate spiritual rulers, who are willfully ignorant of biblical doctrine and are more interested in holding onto their power than seeking the truth. We have found that indoctrination is so powerful that many Catholics refuse to engage in conversations about spiritual issues with non-Catholics. I recall, as a young indoctrinated Catholic, how "lucky" and proud I was to be born into what I was told to be the one true church. I felt sorry for Protestants who were not as "lucky" as I was. So blinded by Catholic traditions, I did not realize my zeal was misdirected. I was honoring God with my lips, but I was submitting to another Lord - a pope." Full text: The Deception of Religion by Mike Gendron

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,

but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life (Ga 6:7-8).

It's not about religion.

It's about a relationship with the Lord.

[The Attraction of Religion Pro-Gospel Ministries] "One of the primary attractions of a religion is its appeal to the flesh. The world tells us that “seeing is believing,” that we must see before we can believe. This explains why it is so easy for religious people to believe what they can see or touch. Catholics worship and consume the Eucharist, a "god" they can see. They go to a priest they can see to receive sacraments they can see to merit the graces necessary for salvation. They light votive candles as a visible sign of their offerings. And yes, they bow down and pray toward statues they can see.

Those who have a relationship with their Savior walk by faith not by sight (2 Cor. 5:7). Since faith is the conviction of things not seen, we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal (Heb. 11:1; 2 Cor. 4:18). Jesus said only those who believe will see the glory of God (John 11:40).

All religions teach that you must do things to appease their god or gods. Every religion has a works-based system of righteousness that instructs its followers as to what they must do to achieve spiritual blessings. This checklist mentality appeals to the natural man, but man's best efforts are but filthy rags in the sight of a holy God (Isa. 64:6). Many do their good works because of their zeal for God but they are ignorant of what God's righteousness demands (Rom. 10:1-4). Christianity is set apart from all religions because its founder has done everything necessary for repenting sinners to have a right relationship with God. Spiritual blessings are available by God's grace to all who trust what Jesus Christ has accomplished through His sinless life, death and resurrection. All religions say "DO" but true Christianity says "DONE." Those who desire an eternal relationship with God must trust in what has been done by the Lord Jesus, apart from anything they do for Him (Ephesians 2:8-9)." Full text: The Attraction of Religion Pro-Gospel Ministries

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Pope Gendron and his priest, Father serpent, cannot save anyone..."

Christians point to Christ and his word (Jn 1:1).

Cult and 'isms point to

themselves (Zep 3:11).

[The End of Religion by Mike Gendron] "The Lord Jesus Christ never came to start a religion, in fact He put an end to the only religion God ever ordained. Ironically, the rulers of this God-ordained religion had

become so corrupt they plotted to murder their Messiah (John 11:53). There was no more need for religion after Jesus, the perfect and eternal High Priest offered Himself, the perfect sacrifice, to a perfect God who demands perfection. The veil that once separated sinners from their holy God was torn open from top to bottom (Mat. 27:51). The one mediator between God and man provides access to the Father (1 Tim. 2:5). By faith in the shed blood of Jesus, repentant sinners can enter into the presence of God with confidence (Heb. 10:19-20). No more religion, no more priests offering sacrifices for sin and no more religious rituals or ceremonies. In place of religion, the risen Savior mediates a relationship with God through faith in His one sacrifice for all sin, for all time (Heb. 10:10-18).

Christianity in its purest form is not a religion but a Spirit-sealed relationship with the God of all creation. Catholicism is Christianity in its most debased form. It became corrupt when it denied the finished and all-sufficient work of Jesus and perverted His Gospel. This warped Gospel of works leads people to a Christless eternity. To avoid deception, Christianity instructs people to study the Bible and believe what God says. Religion, on the other hand, requires people to believe what man says God says. When people without discernment, submit to men who are naturally prone to error, they are easily deceived. Catholicism tries to overcome this by declaring its popes are infallible in matters of faith. Christianity is when God's children follow the Lord Jesus, the only one who is immune from error. I will never forget what my uncle, a Catholic priest of 58 years, said after I read to him Scriptures refuting Catholic traditions. He said, "God doesn't mean what He says there; let me tell you what He really means." Full text: The End of Religion by Mike Gendron

"...[T]he cult of serpent-ism points to serpent's theological preferences and opinions..."

"Every verse of the Bible means exactly what the author intended it to mean..." Full text: How to Interpret the Bible by Darrell Ferguson

See:

Hermeneutics
Be loyal to the Lord (Jn 1:1)

not plans and programs (Mt 15:9).

[The Loyalty of Religion Pro-Gospel Ministries] "Religion stirs up a passionate loyalty to its rulers instead of to the Lord Jesus Christ. Who can forget the images of Pope John Paul II's funeral? Thousands of misguided Catholics stood in long lines for up to 18 hours to venerate a dead man with an unbiblical rosary in his hands and a twisted crucifix by his side. What a sharp contrast to those who have an everlasting relationship with the only Holy Father. They refuse to listen to the voice of robbers who are out to steal and destroy their souls. They flee from them and instead follow the voice of the Good Shepherd who gave His life for His sheep and calls them by name (John 10:3-11). They come to Him for eternal life mourning over the sins that nailed Him to the cross. They recognize their unworthiness to be in His presence, yet they rejoice in the hope they have in His Word (Psalm 130:5). Christ and His Word are so connected that one cannot have a relationship with Him apart from His Word (John 8:47).

Those who desire to have a relationship with the true God must seek Him from the only infallible source for truth. All religious teachings, including teachings in this article, must be tested for veracity by searching the Scriptures (Acts 17:11). Those who cling to religious teachings while rejecting God's Word will be condemned on the last day by the very Word they rejected (John 12:48). Conversely, those who believe the Scriptures have been born again through the incorruptible seed which is the Word of God (1 Pet. 1:23). As children of God, it is their ambition to be pleasing to the one who set them free from the bondage of religion (2 Cor. 5:9-10).

...[W]e must take the same approach Jesus did by refuting religious error and opposing those who spread it. Religion can never save anyone, in fact it cuts them off from God and the saving power of the Gospel (Rom. 1:16; 4:2-8). Let us exhort those who are enslaved to their worthless and empty religions to become privileged slaves of the Lord Jesus Christ." Full text: The Loyalty of Religion http://pro-gospel.org/media/newsletters/Vol19No1.pdf

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

There are not two gospels.

There is one gospel. It is one of grace (Ac 20:24, Ga 1:8).

We have fellowship with likeminded believers (Psa. 55:14; Psa. 119:63; Amos 3:3; Mal. 3:16; Matt. 17:4; Matt. 20:25–28; Matt. 23:8; Mark 10:42–45; Luke 22:32; Luke 24:13–15; John 13:34; John 15:12; John 17:11, 21–23; Acts 1:14; Acts 2:1, 42, 44–47; Acts 17:4; Acts 20:35; Rom. 1:12; Rom. 14:1–4, 10, 13–16, 18–21; Rom. 15:1–7; 1 Cor. 1:10; 1 Cor. 10:16, 17; 1 Cor. 12:13; 1 Cor. 16:19, 20; Gal. 2:9; Gal. 6:2, 10; Eph. 2:14–22; Eph. 5:2, 19, 30; Phil. 1:3, 5, 27; Phil. 2:1, 2; Col. 2:2; Col. 3:16; 1 Thess. 4:18; 1 Thess. 5:11, 14; Heb. 3:13; Heb. 10:24, 25; Heb. 13:1; Jas. 5:16; 1 Pet. 2:17; 1 Pet. 3:8, 9; 1 John 1:3, 7; 1 John 3:14; 1 John 4:7, 8, 11–13).

We do not have fellowship with the wicked (1 Kin. 13:7–10, Neh. 6:2–4; 10:29–31, Psa. 101:4–7; 119:115, Jer. 15:17, Luke 23:51, Rev. 2:6).

There is no "likewise" with the unregenerate (1 Pe 3:8, Eph 5:11). A gospel of works

is antithetical

to what the Bible teaches.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: Originally Posted by Silent Hunter [Ixoye] You need to relax man . . .

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [There is no "likewise" with the unregenerate (1 Pe 3:8, Eph 5:11).] "You can go ahead and apply that to yourself."

Your gospel is a lie (Ga 1:6-8, 1 John 1:6).

Man's religion is an attempt to reach heaven (Mt 15:9).

God's grace has reached down to man (Jn 3:16).

Trust in Christ (Isa 63:9; Eph 5:23) and Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). Works and grace are mutually exclusive (Eph 2:8-10).

When you die, they will lay a white cloth over your casket and tell everyone what a nice person you were.

The priest will assure everyone that because you trusted in the Roman Catholic religion and were baptized, you will go to heaven.

In reality, the cloth is for show and the priest's water is just water. You have no righteousness of your own. You must be clothed in Christ's righteousness (2 Chr. 6:41; Isa. 61:10; Rev. 6:11; 7:9, 13). Do you plan to meet your maker without a proper wedding garment? Matt. 22:11

All of your works are filthy rags (Isa 64:6). Your incense stinks to high heaven (Ex 30:38, Jer 1:16, Ezek. 8:11-12, Num. 16:1-35, 40; 2 Chron. 26:16-21).

No priest cannot usher you into heaven. Your pride is offensive to a holy God.

See:

No Mediator

[Religious Pride] "Satan does a masterful job of using man's religions to conceal God's glorious Gospel of grace. He and his servants deceive the unwary through false religious systems including counterfeit forms of Christianity. To be deceived by counterfeit money is a painful experience but only a temporal problem. To be deceived by a counterfeit faith is an eternal tragedy that will result in the most horrifying existence that man could ever experience.

Religious pride usually takes the form of spiritual arrogance or a fierce, unbending loyalty to an institution. Many Roman Catholics refuse to engage in spiritual conversations with non-Catholics because they are so proud of their religion. They have been indoctrinated into believing they belong to the "one true church." They are convinced that their church is their best hope for making it to heaven. To be deceived about one's relationship with God is the most dangerous and perilous delusion. Those who die in such a state have no recourse and no second chance..." Full text: The Consequences of Religious and Personal Pride

"Catholic teaching: The sacraments are necessary for salvation. Catholic teachings state that the sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, Communion, Penance, Matrimony and the Anointing the Sick are needed to go to heaven.

Catholic teaching: Doing good deeds throughout your life will save you from hell.

Bible: Salvation is a gift of grace from God. Being good, doing good works, or fulfilling the sacraments will not save you from eternity in hell. Only by faith will you be saved. Follow the Bible which is God's Word and not the teachings of man. Good works come after you are saved as a showing of Christ's love in us..." Full text: Works vs Faith

"We heard the parable of the wise virgins today.

To refresh your memory there were 5 wise with oil and 5 not-so-wise with little oil. When the time came that lamps needed to be used the not-so-wise were off buying more and ended up locked out of the banquet.

The moral seems to be that we should be ready when Christ returns."

The "oil" seems to be more readily available to some and not others..."

I believe in the eternal security of the believer (John 5:24) but fine people disagree on this issue.

See:

Once Saved Always Saved

"It is my understanding that, although the marriage of Christ and the church takes place in heaven, the marriage supper takes place on this earth".

The above quote taken from your link.

What do you think that means?"

19:9 Blessed. See note on 1:3. those who are called. This is not the bride (the church) but the guests. The bride doesn’t get invited, she invites. These are those saved before Pentecost, all the faithful believers saved by grace through faith up to the birth of the church (Acts 2:1ff.). Though they are not the bride, they still are glorified and reign with Christ in the millennial kingdom. It is really differing imagery rather than differing reality. The guests also will include tribulation saints and believers alive in earthly bodies in the kingdom. The church is the bride, pure and faithful—never a harlot, like Israel was (see Hos. 2). So the church is the bride during the presentation feast in heaven, then comes to earth for the celebration of the final meal (the Millennium). After that event, the new order comes and the marriage is consummated (see notes on 21:1,2). true sayings of God. This refers to everything since 17:1. It is all true—the marriage will take place after judgment."

MacArthur, John Jr: The MacArthur Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville : Word Pub., 1997, c1997, S. Re 19:7

"From my Church's perspective I would believe that one could see the Eucharist being described..."

"Might not the "oil" be the good that people do before they fall asleep at night?"

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "...[B]uying Holy Spirit is the worst answer of all."

Non causae ut causae (claiming victory despite defeat)

[Personal Pride Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries] "The prideful arrogance of self-righteousness and self-sufficiency is a great hindrance to recognizing the need for a Savior. Personal pride also blinds men from their sin. They think as long as they are better than most, God will grade them on a curve instead of by the cross. The growing popularity of the gospel of self-esteem is producing a foolish dependence on one's own righteousness. This counterfeit gospel appeals to man's ego and his desire to be master of his own destiny. Victims of another gospel do not know about the perfect righteousness that God's righteousness requires for entrance into heaven. Instead, they seek to establish their own righteousness (Rom. 10:3). This is why every ungodly religion teaches that man can gain a right standing before God by his own good works and religious rituals. Nowhere is this more evident than in the Catholic Church where Catholics rely on the sacraments, penance, the Mass and indulgences to merit the graces for eternal life. Ask Catholics how they hope to get to heaven and many will pull out their resume and talk about their good works. If they mention the name of Jesus, it is only because He made their salvation possible.

All religions, apart from Christianity, teach that salvation is dependent upon what man does for God instead of what God has done for man through His only begotten Son. This is why the Gospel is offensive to those who are offensive to God. It strips man of all his "good works" and his feeble efforts to gain salvation, while calling those works filthy rags in the sight of God (Isa. 64:6). Man deceives himself into believing he is good enough when he is not (Gal. 6:3; Rom. 3:23).

We must encourage others to humble themselves under the sovereign hand of almighty God because He hates pride and arrogance (Prov. 8:13). Every proud person must be brought down. "The proud look of man will be abased, and the loftiness of man will be humbled, and the Lord alone will be exalted in that day. For the Lord of hosts will have a day of reckoning against everyone who is proud and lofty" (Isaiah 2:11-12). God will not endure anyone "who has a haughty look and an arrogant heart" (Psalm 101:5)..." Full text: Personal Pride Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries

"The arrogance of your heart has deceived you." (Obadiah 1:3)

They love the types and shadows; but they don't love what the types and shadows point to (Col 2:16).

See:

The Sabbath Day: Picking Grain pt 12a by Darrell Ferguson MP3 (right click, open)