The art of being a jerk online

 

You slander God's name (Re 13:6, Mt 12:31).

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 Godrulz

 

"I worship the triune God, especially the Lord Jesus Christ as God, Lord, Savior, King, risen from the dead..."

 

No cult or 'ism will ever get by Jn 1:1. 

 

"You are a dope."
 

You are an antichrist.

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 Godrulz

 

"I fully affirm Jn. 1; Phil. 2; Heb. 1, etc. I have defended the trinity and Deity of Christ more than anyone here.  His/her/its hangup is my view of the impeccability of Christ..." 

 

Strawman

 

"...a peripheral debate..."

 

Jesus' sinlessness is essential Christian doctrine (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15).

 

"I worship the same Jesus you do...sinless...[W]e agree with the bottom line that Christ is, was, always will be sinless...."

 

You don't agree with me and you don't even with yourself (Eph 4:14).

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

When you were born the deck was stacked against you. Jesus came to: die for your sin, to love you, to save you and to redeem you (Geraci). Jesus is our great high priest. Your Jesus would have died for his own sin not the sin of mankind (Heb 4:14). On what basis can you claim to be freed from the bondage of sin?

 

"...either you are also antichrist or neither of us is."

 

Intensional Ga 5:9, Eph 4:14

 

See:

Godrulz

 

"Why is it a problem if He never sinned, would not have sinned, will never sin?"

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

Adam's sin did not change God's character (Heb 4:15, Mal 3:6).

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God's Glory at the Fall

Godrulz

 

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[Godrulz] He said...He [Jesus] was also God..."

 

Blasphemy by faint praise.

[Paraphrased notes The Anointing Part 4 (right click, open) by Dr. Darrell Ferguson] One must know the Jesus of scripture to be saved (Jn 8:24).

Jesus is the great I am (Jn 8:58), the uncreated creator, eternal, almighty God (Jn 1:1). He took the place of sinners, identified with sinners (Isa 53:12); but he was not a sinner himself (Heb 4:15). Your Christology matters. It's a matter of relationship not education. Jesus has revealed the truth about himself. If you don't get it and the truth has been shown to you, there is something wrong with your heart. You must confess Christ to be saved (Ro 10:9).

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I concur with all these truths and verses."

 

Intensional Ga 5:9, Eph 4:14

 

Men sin against God.  God does not sin (Jn 1:1, Re 15:3).   

 

"Ge 39:9 — “There is no one greater in this house than I, nor has he kept back anything from me but you, because you are his wife. How then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?”


Joseph understood that any sin we commit is really an offense against God. Our sins may harm and defraud others, but God is always the one most aggrieved." Stanley, C. F. (2005). The Charles F. Stanley life principles Bible: New King James Version (Ge 39:9). Nashville, TN: Nelson Bibles.

 

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "The problem is that you [Godrulz] are claiming God is capable of sin; that it is within His nature to do so."

 

That's right.

[Paraphrased notes The Anointing Part 4 (right click, open) by Dr. Darrell Ferguson] It's like saying: Darrell's such a good guy. He didn't beat his wife this week.

His Jesus can't save anyone (Heb 4:15).

 

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Re: Godrulz] "...The Christadelphians say that Jesus had a sinful nature just like us. This is blasphemous."

 

[What is Christadelphianism, and what do Christadelphians believe?] "...Christadelphianism teaches the same two lies as literally every cult and false religion: it denies the deity of Jesus Christ and preaches a works-based salvation. Regarding the deity of Christ, Christadelphianism teaches that Jesus was more than a man, but less than God. According to A. Hayward, in Great News for the World, p. 41, Jesus was a created being with “strength of character to right some of the most appalling wrongs of his time.” Christadelphians teach that Jesus had a sinful nature and he, too, needed salvation from sin, that he was not pre-existent and did not come into existence until he was born in Bethlehem. The Bible declares that Jesus was sinless. He “committed no sin” (1 Peter 2:22); “in him is no sin” (1 John 3:5); He “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21); He was “tempted in every way… yet was without sin” (Hebrews 4:15). That Jesus was pre-existent is also evident from such passages as John 1, where He (the Word) was “in the beginning with God” (v. 2) and that all things that were created “were created through him” (v. 3) and that “he became flesh and dwelt among us” (v. 14). Denying that Jesus is the second Person of the Trinity is another universal characteristic of cults..." Full text: What is Christadelphianism, and what do Christadelphians believe?

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I am no saying it is within His nature to sin."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their [not his own ] sins." Mt 1:21

"No Other Name

There is no other name under heaven.

Acts 4:12 The angel that appeared to Joseph emphasized the meaning of Jesus’ name: “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins” (Matt. 1:21). Jesus, from the Hebrew Joshua, or Jehoshua, means “Jehovah will save.” The name itself was a testimony to God’s salvation. But, the angel told Joseph, Mary’s Son would be the very embodiment of Jehovah’s salvation. He Himself would save His people from their sins.

After Jesus’ resurrection, Peter, speaking before the Sanhedrin, also emphasized the importance of Jesus’ name: “There is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)." MacArthur, J. (2001). Truth for today : A daily touch of God's grace (383). Nashville, Tenn.: J. Countryman.

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Godrulz

 

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "[Did Jesus want to sin?] "...[Y]ou tell me..."

 

No, of course not (Heb 4:15). Now, you tell me. Also, ask Godrulz: Did Jesus want to sin? because he doesn't answer my questions (See: Godrulz ). Eph 4:14

 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "You should be banned for that question."

You should be banned for your avatar.

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Re: Christadelphianism] "...I do not agree with their beliefs as worded..."

 

Who said you did?

 

 "...Guilt by association is not even reasonable with your false ad hominem attacks."

 

I list you as modalist at Satan, Inc (TOL heretics list). Eph 5:11

 

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Godrulz

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Did Jesus want to sin?] "I answer your questions..."

 

Lie of the day (Ingraham).

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Godrulz

 

"...but your long links about me are misrepresentations..."

 

Proof please.

 

 "...and you refuse to be corrected..."

 

Jn 1:1 isn't going anywhere.

 

"...[T]hinking you know more about my beliefs than I do..."

 

Heb 4:15 isn't going anywhere.

"Temptation is illusory and disingenuous..."

 

His temptation was real (Heb 4:15).

 

"He is praiseworthy because He rightly exercised His mind, will, faculties, unlike the rest of us..."

 

Strawman

 

"...He is not sinless because He is a robot (your view)..."

 

Strawman

 

"...but because He always chooses the right no matter what."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

 

"We do not disagree..."

 

Intensional Ga 5:9, Eph 4:14  

Sin entered into the world by Adam (Ge 3:6,7; Ro 5:12). All men are conceived and born in sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5). All men are shaped in sin (Ps 51:5). Scripture concludes all under sin (Ga 3:22). No man is without sin (1 Ki 8:46; Ec 7:20). Christ alone was without sin (2 Co 5:21; Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1 Jn 3:5).

Adam became minus God in his spirit--he died spiritually. We are sons of Adam and in Adam all die. We are: depraved, dead and darkened. That's what it means to be lost (Eph 4:18).

See:

 Jesus Is God's Answer to Man's Darkness Adrian Rogers

 

"I am a trinitarian and refute modalism..."

 

Your Jesus is not holy. The Jesus of scripture is (Jn 1:1, Psa. 16:10; Acts 3:14, Mark 1:24).

You must be perfect to go to heaven (Re 21:27). How do you plan (2 Co 5:21) to make it? Isa 64:6

See:

 Romans 9:25-10:6 J. Vernon McGee

 

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [Did Jesus want to sin?] "No, but that does not mean that He could not have theoretically yielded to Satan's temptations..."

 

You and I can yield to Satan's temptations. Explain the difference between our yielding and Jesus' yielding.

How can God transform people with his: truth, grace and power if he is unholy and unrighteous?

Explain why couldn't Jesus have a human father?

See:

 The Gracious King, Part 1 John MacArthur

 

"Blasphemers will not inherit the kingdom according to Scripture..." 

 

Isn't that bad news for you? We sin because we are sinners.

SD: “ Could he [Jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

If you say Jesus could or would have sinned, what does that make him? Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15

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Godrulz

 

"Heb. 4 does not contradict my view."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

 

"You...who can quote things, but not understand them."

 

What is difficult to understand about: For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:15  

If God is not holy and righteous (1 Jn 2:1), why does he want us to be holy and righteous? Mt 5:48 

 

"...Jesus was the personification of holiness; He reinforced God’s demands for holiness by insisting that His disciples have a higher quality and degree of righteousness than that of the scribes and Pharisees (Matt. 5:20). Like Amos and Hosea, Jesus appealed for more than ceremonial holiness: “I desire mercy and not sacrifice” (Hos. 6:6; Matt. 12:7).

The theme of sanctification, or growing into God’s likeness and being consecrated for His use, is prominent throughout the Bible. Like Jesus, the apostles taught that sanctification, or true holiness, expressed itself in patient and loving service while awaiting the Lord’s return. Peter urged the suffering Christians of the Roman Empire to follow God’s example of holiness in their trials: “As He who has called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct” (1 Pet. 1:15).

Paul’s prayer for the saints at Thessalonica is timeless in its application to the church and individual believers: “And may the Lord make you increase in love and abound in love . . . so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints” (1 Thess. 3:12–13)." Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary. 1995 (R. F. Youngblood, F. F. Bruce, R. K. Harrison & Thomas Nelson Publishers, Ed.). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, Inc.

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Godrulz

 

"I am fully in line with every Christian scholar on Jn. 1:1..."

 

You attempt to undermine the gospel (Ga 5:9).  

"A close examination of Scripture reveals that the scientific (factual) and spiritual truths of Scripture are often inseparable. For example, one cannot separate the spiritual truth of Christ's resurrection from the fact that His body permanently vacated the tomb and later physically appeared (Matt 28:6; 1 Cor. 15:13-19). Likewise, if Jesus was not born of a biological virgin, then He is no different from the rest of the human race on whom the stigma of Adam's sin rests (Rom 5:12). Likewise, the death of Christ for our sins cannot be detached from His shedding literal blood on the cross, for "without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb. 9:22). And Adam's existence and fall cannot be a myth. If there were no literal Adam and no actual fall, then the spiritual teaching about inherited sin and eventual or physical death are wrong (Rom. 5:12). Historical reality and the theological doctrine stand or fall together (Geisler, pg. 12-13).

 

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Godrulz

 

"Godless unbelief is a unique sin."

 

Your god is godless. On what basis can you claim to be godly?

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

If God is not holy, what business does he have asking a nation to be holy? Lev 11:45 Your Jesus never existed. Our Jesus is holy.

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Holy

 

"My post is solid..."

 

"It ain't so much a matter of not knowing, as it is a matter of knowing so much that ain't so." ~ Will Rogers

Light refused increases darkness (Ro 1:21, Jn 9:39). There can be no greater sin than to reject the light (Jn 3:19-20, Rogers).

See:

 Jesus Is God's Answer to Man's Darkness Adrian Rogers

 

[ Red Herring] "Red Herring"

 

Be yourself. Everyone else is taken.

Your Jesus cannot purify man's heart because he is not pure himself.

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

[Edited notes Part 7b from the series Overcoming Evil by Darrell Ferguson] "We want to see God and be like him. Our character will be transformed. We will have a clearer view of who he is (1 Jn 3:2).

The only reason sin has a pull on your heart now is because you are blind to God's righteous character. When you see that God is righteous, that will transform your moral character.

Study God's character. That's how you get victory over sin now and that's what God will reveal to us more clearly in eternity.

Knowing the the Jesus of scripture (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15) purifies the heart. Everyone who has this hope purifies himself (1 Jn 3:3)..." Part 7b from the series Overcoming Evil (right click, open) by Darrell Ferguson

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Godrulz

 

"...Sin is not genetic, inherited..."

 

See:

What is sin?

 

"...Physical depravity is [inhereted], but not moral depravity."

 

We sin because we are sinners. "...(1) Man is a sinner by act. (2) Man is a sinner by nature. Sinning does not make a sinner; we sin because we are sinners. (3) Man is a sinner by imputation. We’ll see that later in this epistle. (4) The estate of man is under sin. We all are under sin—the entire human family..." Full text: Rom 3:9-18 J. Vernon McGee

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Total depravity - is it biblical?

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

We only have the right to come to God on the basis of Christ's merits and mediation. We have access to God by acknowledging the real Jesus (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15). Come separated from your sin (Ps 24:4). He accepts repentance from believers in him.

You insult him when you say he could or would have sinned like you. Your god is untrustworthy and unreliable. Your Jesus can do nothing for men (Mt 7:18).

God is a rewarded of those who seek him (Heb 11:6). Believe his word. Ask in his name. His name includes his attributes. He is holy, righteous, perfect and pure.

You can't accomplish anything without God so you'll have to acknowledge who he is.

"Man's own religion usually descends to the fleshly life to which they themselves practice." ~ Jim Andrews

See:

 Making Big Requests Part 2 (right click, open) Charles Stanley

Godrulz

 

"We are sinners because we sin (Rom. 1-3)."

 

We sin because we are sinners (Ga 5:9).

See:

 Ro 1-3 Outline

Rom 3:9-18 J. Vernon McGee
 

"...We do not sin because our parents had sex, no fault of our own..."

 

Red Herring

"...[T]he Bible teaches that as a result of the fall of man (Genesis 3:6) every part of man—his mind, will, emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being including who we are and what we do. It penetrates to the very core of our being so that everything is tainted by sin and “…all our righteous acts are like filthy rags” before a holy God (Isaiah 64:6). It acknowledges that the Bible teaches that we sin because we are sinners by nature. Or, as Jesus says, “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.” (Matthew 7:17-18)..." Full text: Total depravity - is it biblical?

What happened between Genesis 3:6 and 3:7? Why did Adam and Eve have no shame in verse 6 and then all of the sudden had shame in verse 7? What changed? Were they different somehow? Was the world different somehow?

"Genesis 3:6

As Eve, having allowed her mind and emotions to be influenced by the Satanic suggestions of doubt and pride, continued to gaze at the forbidden tree, its fruit seemed to become more and more beautiful and delectable all the time. It is remarkable that the particular attributes of this fruit that seemed so tempting are the same as the overt characteristics of practically every type of temptation which man faces today.

To her, it seemed that the tree was: (1) “good for food” (that is, something appealing to the physical, bodily appetites); (2) “pleasant to the eyes” (that is, something appealing to the emotions—the esthetic senses); (3) “desired to make wise” (that is, appealing to the mind and spirit, and to one’s pride of knowledge and spiritual insight).

This threefold description is perfectly parallel to the outline of 1 John 2:16: “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.” Temptations thus may be directed against either the body, soul, or spirit—or, as in Eve’s case, against all three at once. The source of the temptation is said by James, again stressing all three aspects, to be “earthly, sensual, devilish” (James 3:15).

One day, of course, the Second Adam would come into the world, and He would also have to be tempted in all points like as we are (Hebrews 4:15). At the very beginning of His public ministry, He was “led by the Spirit into the wilderness, being forty days tempted of the devil” (Luke 4:1, 2). The temptation again was of the same threefold scope: (1) appeal to the physical appetite, offering bread when He was hungry (Luke 4:3, 4); (2) appeal to the covetous and esthetic emotional desires, offering possession of all the world and its kingdoms (Luke 4:5–8); (3) appeal to spiritual pride, offering worldwide recognition as the one of highest intellectual and spiritual eminence, under the special protection of the holy angels (Luke 4:9–12).

It is significant that the Lord Jesus overcame the wicked one (1 John 2:13, 14—as we can do also) by reminding both Himself and Satan of appropriate instructions and promises in the Word of God. Instead of believing and obeying God’s Word, Eve questioned, doubted, then modified and finally rejected God’s Word, in favor of the temptation to body, soul, and spirit which the fruit represented to her.

As the prototype of all sinners, Eve felt impelled to lead Adam to participate in the same sin. She therefore plucked more of the fruit and brought it to her husband, urging him to eat it as well. No doubt, she used the same arguments the serpent had used, also adding the personal testimony that she had eaten the delicious fruit herself without any harmful effect.

Adam, however, “was not deceived” (1 Timothy 2:14). Whether this statement by the apostle Paul means that Adam was fully aware that he was willfully defying God, or whether it simply means that Adam was not the initial one whom Satan attacked with his deception, may not be completely clear. Paul goes on to say that “the woman being deceived was in the transgression,” which seems to place the main blame on her, accounting for her being cursed and made subject to man. There may even be a hint that the serpent had first tried to deceive Adam, but had been unsuccessful, and so then turned to Eve.

Many have suggested that he did this out of love for Eve, choosing to share her sin and guilt rather than leaving her to face God’s judgment alone. This interpretation would be consistent with the typology, suggesting the truth that “Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it” (Ephesians 5:25). However, this motive would almost make Adam appear noble in sinning, and the Bible never implies such a thing. His sin was deliberate, wicked, and inexcusable. In fact, it was not by Eve’s sin, but by Adam’s that “sin entered into the world, and death by sin.” All future human beings were “in Adam” (1 Corinthians 15:22) and even Eve herself had been formed “of the man” (1 Corinthians 11:8). He was the true federal head of the race and it was “through the offence of the one [that] many be dead” (Romans 5:15).

 Genesis 3:7

The serpent had promised that they would acquire wisdom and become as gods, knowing good and evil. Instead, there came over them the realization of what they had done and an awful sense of shame enveloped them. As they remembered that the divine injunction had been to “multiply and fill the earth,” they realized that the very fountainhead of human life had now become corrupted by their disobedience and they became acutely aware of their nakedness. Their children would all be contaminated with the seed of rebellion, so that their feeling of guilt centered especially on their own procreative organs. The result was that they suddenly desired to hide these from each other, and from God.

Hastily they fashioned crude girdles of fig leaves and covered themselves, but of course such aprons would hardly suffice to hide the guilt of their rebellion against God. Neither will the “filthy rags” of our own self-made “righteousnesses” serve to cover our sinful hearts today (Isaiah 64:6). We need rather the “garments of salvation,” the “robe of righteousness” (Isaiah 61:10) with which only God can clothe us (Genesis 3:21). We can never escape God’s eye of judgment by anything that we ourselves can fashion or accomplish." Morris, H. M. (1976). The Genesis record: A scientific and devotional commentary on the book of beginnings (113–115). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

 

 "...Augustine sin because born sinner..."

 

Red Herring

I reject Augustine.

 

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Godrulz

 

Red Herring. I reject Calvinism.

When God shows men his glory (e.g. Moses [Ex 34:6-7], David [Ps 63:2,GW]), he shows his attributes. When you say Jesus could or would have sinned--speak for yourself (Jer 17:9) --he is holy, righteous, perfect and incorruptible (Ps 16:10, 1 Jn 1:5). This corruptible must put on incorruption (1 Cor 15:53). We will be like him (1 Jn 3:2). You cannot claim that you are being purified (1 Jn 3:3) because you do not acknowledge a pure and incorruptible Jesus (Ps 16:10). Trust the Jesus of scripture (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15). Receive, believe, trust, place your trust in him--then you can be a child of God (Jn 1:11). Ferguson.

See:

 Part 7c from the series Overcoming Evil by Dr. Darrell Ferguson (right click, open)

 

[ Strawman] "You side with Calvinistic teachers..."

 

[Lighthouse quote:  Translation: They're wrong about some things, so they're wrong about everything...]

 

All cults and 'isms do this (Ga 5:9). The mix truth with error.

 

"SD is quoting Calvinistic thinkers..."

 

Red Herring. I reject Calvinism.

 

"...who affirm TULIP..."

 

Strawman. I reject TULIP.

 

"Augustinian ideas..."

 

Strawman. I reject Augustine.

 

"...Arminian"

 

Strawman. I reject Arminius.

Godrulz knows this (Eph 4:14).

See:

Does God Elect Everyone?

Godrulz

Sin is lawlessness or that which is opposed to God. Sin is rebellion and treason against God. When you choose to sin, you choose to be on Satan's side. Satan is called the man of lawlessness.

Something is evil if it is against God. Satan means "enemy". Devil means "deceiver". He is called: tempter, liar, thief. He comes to: steal, kill and destroy.

There is a full scale war. How does the devil decide what to do everyday? He finds out what God wants and desires and opposes it. He works against God as every unbeliever works against God. He is against everything that is good.

Jesus came that he might take away (not participate in ) our sin (1 Jn 3:5). Ferguson.

See:

 Part 8a (right click, open) from the series Overcoming Evil by Darrell Ferguson

 

"Thx everyone for illustrating my point about jerks online. Grow up or get out."

 



SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

Sin is antithetical to God's nature (Heb 4:15). When Peter wasn't thinking about God's plan and purpose for a moment, Jesus called him Satan (Mt 16:23).

When you say Jesus could or would have sinned, you are doing the same. Jesus came that he might take away (not participate in ) sin (1 Jn 3:5).

What makes sin so bad is that it is cosmic treason against God. We are in a great war (Eph 6:12). You accuse Jesus of taking up arms for the other side. It would be like accusing a great general of joining ranks with an enemy that he has been battling against for a long time. But worse--you accuse the greatest general, Jesus (Jn 1:1,) fighting in the greatest battle of all time (Ge 3:15) of doing this.

In this war one side in this war is: hideous, wicked and evil. The other is: holy, righteous and good. Ferguson.

See:

 Part 8b (right click, open) from the series Overcoming Evil by Darrell Ferguson

Godrulz

 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [Godrulz being a jerk online] "[Y]ou really didn't need any help..."

I wouldn't tough him with a thirty-nine and a half foot in pole (2 Pe 2:1).

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Godrulz

[There Really Was a Saint Nicholas! By Bill Federer] "...Nicholas was said to have been present at the first Council of Nicaea, called by Emperor Constantine in 325AD. This Council, which ended the Arian controversy, affirmed the divinity of Christ, the persons of the Trinity, and produced the popular profession of faith known as the Nicene Creed, used in churches throughout the world. (Legend has it that during the Council debates, Nicholas became so upset at Arius for promoting the heresy that Jesus was less than God that he punched him in the jaw!)..." Full text: There Really Was a Saint Nicholas!

 

You're a Mean One Mr. Grinch, Original Version - 1966 (HD)

 

One person who has sin cannot die for another person who has sin (Ro 3:13, Lk 18:19). If Jesus is not the perfect, sinless worthy lamb (1 Pe 1:19), he can do nothing for us (Re 5:12). He is God's perfect sacrifice for the sin of mankind (Re 5:12). While we (not him ) were yet sinners, Christ died for us (Ro 5:8).

He had to be virgin born to be born of men without the inheritance of sin (Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5). Sin could not transfer to him (Ps 51:5). If you deny that, how can you have confidence when you die? What assurance will you have?

He took upon himself human flesh to walk among us to reveal the Father and to ultimately die on the cross to make it possible for us to be saved (Jn 14:6). There is not other explanation for God to accept us but on the basis of his holy Son (Isa 61:10, Phil. 3:9). Stanley.

See:

 Virgin Born: Does it Matter? Right click, open. Charles Stanley

 

Godrulz  

 

"I just love the title of this thread and here is where we learn the art of being a jerk..."

 

Godrulz is a modalist (2 Pe 2:1).

"...All of the Gnostics in the early church propounded the first heresy that He emptied Himself of His deity..." ~ J. Vernon McGee

What part of God could or would sin?

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell [Col. 1:19].

"...“It pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.” The fullness is the pleroma. That is one of the most important words in this epistle. Over in Philippians it was the kenosis. That is, it emphasized that Christ emptied Himselfe and became a servant; He emptied Himself of the glory that He had with the Father. He didn’t empty Himself of His deity—He was God when He came to this earth. The pleroma, the full fullness of God, dwells in Him.

When He was down here on this earth, the pleroma was at home in Jesus. He was 100 percent God—not 99.44 percent, but 100 percent. That little baby that was lying on the bosom of Mary over nineteen hundred years ago seemed so helpless, but He could have spoken this universe out of existence. He is Man of very man; He is God of very God. That is who He is.

We can outline these verses from another perspective. I would like to do this for you in order to add to our understanding of this portion of Scripture.

1. Christ’s relationship to the Father—verse 15
2. Christ’s relationship to creation—verses 16–17
3. Christ’s relationship to the church—verses 18–19
4. Christ’s relationship to the cross—verse 20" McGee, J. V. (1991). Vol. 48: Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (Philippians/Colossians) (electronic ed.) (135–136). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

 

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: ][Godrulz] Serpent's beating a dead herring."

 

We: honor his reputation, esteem his name, and speak right of him.

[B]Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name [Mal. 3:16].[/B]

“Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another.” In other words, there was a little remnant who loved God and met together, and they feared the Lord. They spoke to one another—they were having fellowship.

“And the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.” Running all through the Scripture there is this idea that God keeps books. I do not think there is an actual book up there in which He is writing. God never forgets, and He doesn’t need that book, and He doesn’t even need a computer.

This matter of the book that was written is also mentioned in the Book of Revelation, and in chapter 3 we find the suggestion that He is apt to erase a name: “Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels” (Rev. 3:4–5).

This is about as strong a language as you can get, and it is, very frankly, one of the most difficult passages in the Book of Revelation to understand. I do not think that God has a set of books that He is keeping in heaven. But the only way that you and I can understand this is through this figure of speech that He uses. I can understand it when He says that He puts down in the Book of Life the names of those who are saved. I can understand that He puts down in a book those who will receive a reward or some recognition. This makes it clear to me. But I don’t believe that God has a literal book up there—although He may have. We are also told in the last part of the Book of Revelation that when the lost are brought before the Great White Throne, the books will be opened, and there are several of them. There is also the book of those who are saved (see Rev. 20).

I would like to illustrate it in this way: To me it is more or less like the report card I used to get in school. You get a report card if you are a student; all you have to do to get a report card is to enroll. You get into the Lamb’s Book of Life by accepting Christ as your Savior, and that will never be removed. You have a report card; you are in the Lamb’s Book of Life; you’re enrolled. Now you are going to start making grades. Now He’s going to put down how you are doing with your Bible study. What grade is He giving you on that? Are you making A’s these days? Or are you failing the course? How is your life for Him? How is your service for Him? He takes note of all these things, and they are recorded.

Therefore I believe that when He says to the church of Sardis that names are removed from the Book of Life, that names are blotted out, it has to do with service because that is what He is talking about there. It has to do with the service that they render. There will be many of us who get a report card, but some are going to be a failure in the Christian life. Paul said in his Epistle to the Corinthians that our works are to be tested by fire (see 1 Cor. 3:11–15). If a man’s work is all hay and stubble and it is all consumed by fire, will he be saved? Paul says, “Yes. He’ll be saved, but so as by fire.” There are going to be a lot of people in heaven who will smell like they were bought at a fire sale—and they were—a brand plucked from the burning, if you please. They did nothing, and nothing was put on the report card.

“A book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.” God simply doesn’t need a book to remember things because He is the One who really has a computer mind—it’s all there. The record is of their works, their service, their love for Him—those are the things that are recorded. Salvation is free. It is by faith, never by works. After you have been saved, that is when your works really begin to count, and they become all–important. This book of remembrance is a very beautiful thing.

We find God’s “book” mentioned elsewhere in the Old Testament. In Psalm 56:8 we read, “Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?” The psalmist says, “Thou tellest my wanderings.” The Lord knows exactly where you’ve been all the time. Maybe your neighbors, your fellow church members, and your pastor don’t know—but God knows. The darkness is light to Him. He knows where you’ve been and He knows what you’ve done. “Put thou my tears into thy bottle”—I think that is a very lovely thing. My friend, that godly mother who is weeping because of a wayward child, God has put those tears into a bottle. Can you imagine that? How wonderful it is that He has taken note of them! The man who has served God but has been disappointed by how his brethren have treated him and has wept tears over it—to him God says, “I’ve put those tears in a bottle.” Finally, the psalmist says, “Are they not in thy book?” There is a book that records our lives, my friend. I have always thought that it is probably going to be sort of like a movie that He will run through for us. You will see your life from birth to death, and it will all be there. It won’t be what the preacher said about you at your funeral, about how wonderful you were and what a great church member you were. God is going to run it just like it was. I don’t want to see mine. But I guess I’ll have to take a look at it someday." McGee, J. V. (1991). Vol. 33: Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Malachi) (electronic ed.) (90–93). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

 

See:

Godrulz

 

"SD is lying."

 

Proof please.

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

You don't know the Father because you have not received the Son for who he is (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15). Jesus is the full (not part ) revelation of God.

[Edited notes: The Reason for the Season by Michael Youssef] "Jesus came from heaven to reveal the Father. The bible is given within a Hebrew context, with a Hebrew mindset and a Hebrew understanding; And in a Hebrew culture a father means everything to the son. And a son means everything to the father. In that culture, the father and the son do not only share the bloodline, they do not only share the origin of their decent, they do not only share the looks and features, they do no only share their thinking patterns but they are in total unity. Their hearts beat with the same concern. Their life goals are one in the same. What pleases the father pleases the son and vice versa. What hurts the son hurts the father and vice versa. Whoever honors the son honors the father and vice versa. In the Semitic languages often when a father refers to his son he can refer to him as "my heart" or "my liver". It's a very powerful imagery but that is how they understood that relationship and that is why when God chose to reveal himself to humanity he chose the image of a son.

A lot of church-going folks confuse this. They think that Jesus was god-junior. He's not. He is God of very God choosing that powerful image of a son to reveal himself.

Back then in the Hebrew mind and in the Hebrew culture there was no such thing as a deadbeat dad or an absentee father or a distant and aloof father or fathers who never really grew up. No, that is western thought. That's all western culture--modern culture...

On the cross God the Father was reconciling himself to God the Son. When somebody tells you that all religions lead to God ask them: Did Buddha die for you? Did Mohammad die for you? Did
Krishna die for you? This is not being disrespectful. This is not being bigoted. This is not being intolerant--as a word they like to use against us. That is not it at all. Did any of these gentleman claim to be God in human flesh? And the answer is no. Did any of them claim that no one can come to the father except through them? No. Did any of them claim that they were the way, the truth and life? No. None of these gentlemen ever claimed that they came from heaven to reveal the Father.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one in substance, one in unity, one in consistency and that is why Jesus said that he who has seen me has seen the Father. Later, Jesus said I and the Father are one...

Our God fully, completely, and without hesitation revealed himself in Jesus Christ...

The bible said that Jesus is the image of the invisible God who is alone the firstborn over all creation, who is alone and for whom all things were created, who is alone before all things, who is alone holding all things together, who is alone the head of the body, who is alone the first born from among the dead, who is alone in his supremacy, he is alone in whom the Father was pleased to dwell, bodily through whom alone God reconciles everything to himself, through whom alone God makes peace through the blood of Christ that was shed on Calvary.

Colossian 2:3-4 says in whom are hidden all of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Verse 4, Paul says I tell you this for a reason--so that no one will deceive you with fine sounding arguments. They have fine sounding arguments. They sound so loving. They sound so caring. They sound so tolerant. But they're false...

Jesus co-existed with the Father before all worlds. Before Bethlehem's manger--he is. Before Mary and Joseph--he is. Before Abraham and Isaac--he is. Before Adam and Eve--he is. Before the galaxies and the orbits ever existed--he did.

See:

 The Reason for the Season (right click, open) Michael Youssef

Godrulz

 

"The Father/Son/Holy Spirit never sinned and never will sin."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link
See:

Godrulz

Jesus is the Son of the Most High (of the same essence). He is deity (Jn 1:1).

See:

 He Will be Great (right click, open) by Darrell Ferguson

 

"I affirm the Deity/Humanity of Christ in one person (two natures)."

 

Your Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture (Jn 1:1, Lev 19:2, Heb 4:15).  He cannot deny Himself (2 Ti 2:13).

 

"I reject your wrong view of impeccability."

 

Strawman Eph 4:14

 

"You and I agree that Jesus is God and Man, YHWH in the flesh."

 

Intensional Ga 5:9, Eph 4:14

"...If Jesus was not born of a biological virgin, the He is no different from the rest of the human race on whom the stigma of Adam's sin rest (Rom. 5:12)...Adam's existence and fall cannot be a myth. If there were no literal Adam and no actual fall, then the spiritual teaching about inherited sin and eventual or physical death are wrong (Rom. 5:`112). Historical reality and the theological doctrine stand or fall together (pg. 12-13, Geisler, Howe)."

See:

Godrulz

 

"I affirm the Deity/Humanity of Christ..."

 

SD: “ Could he [jesus] have sinned?
Godrulz: “I believe He could have, but did not…” link

God is not a sinner (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15).

"...There are many tests for a false prophet...

1. Do they ever give false prophecies? (Deut. 18:21-22)
2. Do they contact departed spirits? (Deut. 18:11)
3. Do they use means of divination? (Deut 18:11)
4. Do they involve mediums or witches? (Deut 18:10)
5. Do they follow false gods or idols? (Ex. 20:304; Deut. 13:3)
6. Do they deny the deity of Jesus Christ? (1 John 4:1-2)
8. Do their prophecies shift the focus off Jesus Christ? (Rev. 19:10)
9. Do they advocate abstaining from certain foods and meats for spiritual reasons? (1 Tim. 4:3-4)
10. Do they deprecate or deny the need for marriage? (1 Tim. 4:3)
11. Do they promote immorality? (Jude 7)
12. Do they encourage legalistic self-denial? (Col. 2:16-23)
(See Geisler and Nix, A General Introduction to the Bible, Moody Press, 1986, 241-42.)

A positive answer to any of this is an indication that the prophet is not speaking for God. God does not speak or encourage anything that is contrary to His character and commands. And most certainly the god of truth does not give false prophecies (Geisler, Howe, pg. 124-125)."

 

Men are conceived in a sinful nature (Ps 51:5). God is not. Men are from below. God is from above (Jn 8:23).

See:

 Jesus is the Answer to Man's Darkness (right click, open) by Adrian Rogers

 

"You wrongly assume that humanity=sinfulness."

 

Strawman

We sin because we are sinners (Ro 3:12). God is holy (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15).

[1 Sam 6:19] "...The Lord struck the people with judgment because they committed a terrible sacrilege against God. The ark of the covenant was a symbol of the very presence of God among His people. Regulations concerning the ark and how it was to be treated were of the strictest nature because of the holiness of God and the sinfulness of man (Ex 25:10-22; 26:32-34; 37:1-9). Such an impious act of disregard for God's holiness certainly merited the sudden and terrible judgment of God (Geisler, Howe, pg. 156-157)."

 

"Rom. 1-3 explicitly teaches that we are sinners because we sin..."

 

We sin because we are sinners (Ro 3:12). God is not a sinner (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15).

[Ps 58:3] "...It is clear that this cannot refer to actual sins, but only potential ones, since the baby has not yet developed its moral consciousness and responsibility. The Scriptures clearly speak of "children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil" (Rom. 9:11). The sense in which a person is "sinful at birth" (Ps. 51:5, NIV) is by way of inclination, not by way of moral action. All person are "by nature children of wrath" (Eph. 2:3) because they are born with a tendency to sin, but they are not born in sin in reality. The condemnation over the head of everyone who comes into Adam's race is judicial guilt, not personal guilt. We stand condemned before God because "all sinned" in Adam our representative (Rom. 5:12). This situation can be summarized as follows[:]

We are not born in sin: Actually, by Action, In reality, Personally

We are born in sin: Potentially, By inclination, In tendency, Judicially (Geisler, Howe, pg. 240)."

 

"I...deny that we are guilty because of Adam..."

 

If we aren't guilty, why do we need a savior?

 

All people are guilty of sin (Ro 3:9–12). 

"Now Paul doesn’t mean "proved" here. That word is a little too strong; it does not have quite that shade of meaning, because Paul is not trying to prove man a sinner. Rather, he is showing that God judges sin. He assumes man is a sinner, and you don’t have to assume it—it is evident. He is merely stating that which is very obvious today. The better word is charged—"for we have before charged both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin." He is just stating the case, by the way, that it doesn’t make any difference who we are today—high or low, rich or poor, good or bad—we’re all under sin.

Now it’s very important to understand what it means to be "under sin." Man is a sinner four different ways. God is giving man four strikes (in baseball you get only three). (1) Man is a sinner by act. (2) Man is a sinner by nature. Sinning does not make a sinner; we sin because we are sinners. (3) Man is a sinner by imputation. We’ll see that later in this epistle. (4) The estate of man is under sin. We all are under sin—the entire human family.

This is the first charge..."

"This should read, "It is written that there is none righteous, no, not one," because it is a free rendering of Psalm 14:1.

He makes the positive statement that "none … doeth good." "Doeth good" and righteousness are the same. What does it mean to be righteous? Well, it means to be right. Right with whom? We are to be right with God. And if we are going to be right with God, it is a little different from being right with your fellow man. When we have differences with friends, we may or may not be to blame, but we have to reach some sort of compromise. But if we are going to be right with God, we are going to play according to His rules. Actually, you can’t play games with Him. You see, God’s salvation is a take it or leave it proposition. God is not forcing anybody to take His salvation. You don’t have to be saved. You can turn it down. God says, "This is My universe. You’re living on My little world, using My sunshine and My water and My air, and I have worked out a plan of salvation that is true to My character and My nature. My plan and My program is the one that’s going to be carried out. You’re a sinner, and I want to save you because I love you. Now here it is. Take it or leave it." That’s what God is saying to a lost world. This is what He is saying to you. Have you accepted it? Well, I want you to know that I have accepted it. To be right with God, then, means to accept His salvation.

When I was in school, I had a professor of sociology who really enjoyed batting that little ball around, saying, "Who is right? Who is going to make the rules?" Well, I know one thing: that professor is not going to make the rules. I know something else: I am not going to make the rules, and you are not going to make the rules either. God makes the rules. Take it or leave it. That is God’s plan; that is God’s program. There is none who is righteous, none right with God. But He has worked out a plan. No one has done good according to God’s standard, according to God’s method. That is the Judge’s first charge.

The second charge is this

In other words, there is none who acts on the knowledge that he has. No one is the person he would like to be.

The third charge:

"There is none that seeketh after God." God is not concealed today. God is not playing hide–and–seek with man. He has revealed Himself. You remember that Paul told the Athenians, the philosophers on Mars Hill: "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30). He is not winking at sin today. God is out in the open telling man that he is a sinner and offering him salvation. And His salvation is clear, you see. That’s what He is saying here. And there is none that seeks after God. The anthologies of religion say man is out looking for God—how fallacious they are! It’s claimed that in the evolutionary process religion is man’s search for God. Well, actually, is religion man’s search for God? No. That’s not what the Bible teaches. Believe me, man hasn’t found out very much about God on his own. He hasn’t advanced very far in that direction, because he’s going the wrong way. He’s going away from God.

Then the fourth charge that He makes is:

They’ve detoured. They left the way they knew was right. And primitive tribes have an ancient tradition that way back at one time their forefathers knew the living and true God. My friend, if you are honest, you know that you are not doing what you ought to do. Furthermore, you are not going to do it, although you know what it is. You have gone out of the way. Man has deviated from the way. This is the fourth charge that God makes.

The fifth charge is: "they are together become unprofitable." The word unprofitable suggests overripe, spoiled fruit. It could be translated, "they have altogether become sour." I am very fond of fruit, especially the papaya. But when it passes the ripe state and becomes rotten, there is nothing quite as bad as that. Mankind is not lush fruit; he is corrupt fruit. That is what the Judge of all the earth is saying.

The sixth charge: "there is none that doeth good, no, not one." This is a triple negative. Mankind is like a group of travelers who have gone in the opposite direction from the right one, and not one can help the others. Our Lord said to the religious leaders of His day, "You are blind leaders of the blind" (see Matt. 15:14). That is what the Judge of all the earth says about you and about me and about everyone on the face of the earth.

Now Paul transfers us over to God’s clinic into the hands of the Great Physician. This is a spiritual clinic, and the Great Physician says that we are spiritually sick.

"I am guilty and responsible for my own sin."

You are a sinner.  God is not (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15).

"...The Bible is clear that God is morally prefect (cf. Deut. 32:4; Matt. 5:48), and it is impossible for Him to sin (Heb 6:18).  At the same time, His absolute justice demands that He punish sin.  This judgment takes both temporal and eternal forms (Matt. 25:41; Rev. 20:11-15). In its temporal form, the execution of Gods' justice is sometimes called "evil" because it seems to be evil to those undergoing it (cf. Heb 12:11).  However, the Hebrew word of evil (ra) used here does not always mean moral evil.  Indeed, the context indicated that it should be translated, as the NKJV and other modern translations do, as "calamity."  Thus, God is properly said to be the author of "evil" in this sense, but not in the moral sense--at least not directly.

Further, there is an indirect sense in which God is the author of moral evil.  God created moral beings with free choice, and free choice is the origin of moral evil in the universe.  So, ultimately God is responsible for making moral creatures who are responsible for moral evil.  God made evil possible by creating free creatures, but the free creatures made evil actual.  Of course, the possibility of evil (i.e., free choice) is itself a good thing.  So, God created only good things, one of which was the power of free choice, and moral creatures produced the evil.  However, God is the author of a moral universe and in this indirect and ultimate sense is the author of the possibility of evil.  Of course, God only permitted evil, but does not promote it, and He will ultimately produce a greater good through it (cf. Gen. 50:20; Rev. 21-22).

The relation of God and evil can be summarized this way:

God is not the author of evil:  In the sense of sin, Moral evil, Perversity, Directly, Actually of evil

God is the author of evil:  In the sense of calamity, Non-moral evil, Plagues, Indirectly, Possibility of evil (Geisler, Howe, pg. 271-272).

God feels revulsion toward sin. His character does not change.

"God does not actually change, but only appears to change as we change, just as the wind appears to change when we turn and go in another direction (see comments on Gen. 6:6 and Ex. 32:14). God cannot change His character nor His unconditional promises (Heb 6:17-18), because they are based in His unchangeable nature (cf. 2 Tim. 2:13). In fact, it is because God is unchangeable in Himself that He appears to change in relation to humans who vary in their character and conduct. God's immutability demands that His feelings and action toward different human beings be different. Since He always feels the same toward a person who has just fallen in sin as towards that same person when he confesses his sin and calls upon God's mercy for salvation. In this case, it is not God who changes, but the person who changes in relation to God (Geisler, Howe, pg. 276)."

 

"Are you making a veiled slam on me, you retarded jerk, scum of the earth, mother wears army boots, bad hair day person?"

 

God is righteous (Rev 15:3).  He does not sin (Jn 1:1, Heb 4:15).

 

"Anger as such is not sinful.  It depends on the purpose, nature, and/or object of anger. Even Jesus, our perfect moral example, was angry at sin (cf. Matt. 23:15-36). Paul exhorted us, "Be angry, and do not sin" (Eph. 4:26).  In short, we should be angry at sin, but we should not sin in being angry.  the problem with human anger, even in the good sense of anger at sin, is that it is easy to carry it too far so that we sin in our anger.  Unlike God, who is "slow to anger" (Neh. 9:17), we are often quick to anger.  In short, there is good and bad anger for humans.

 

Good anger:  Over sin, Against sin, Expressed righteously, Being slow to anger, Done in justice

 

Bad anger:  Over being sinned against, Against sinners, Expressed unrighteous, Being quick to anger, Done in retaliation (Geisler, Howe pg. 313)."

 

"...My jest and sarcasm was a poke at me, not a sinful act...a joke...get it?"

 



You and I can be tempted by evil. God cannot. His pure eyes cannot behold sin (Hab 1:13).

[Matthew 6:13, James 1:13] "...God can test us, but He cannot tempt us to sin. When we are tempted, we are drawn away by our own lusts (see comments on James 1:2). So, God should be invoked to order our lives in such a way that we are not led into situations in which we will be tempted. In other words, this is a plea for providential guidance through the mine field of sin in this fleshly sojourn. It is a request of God that He help us to "make no provision for the flesh" (Rom. 13:14)." Geisler, Howe pg. 334.

 

"Just model me...."

 

God cannot deny Himself.

[Matthew 19:26, Heb 6:18] "...The context in Matthew indicates that Jesus is speaking of what is humanly impossible, whereas, Hebrews informs us that some things (e.g. lying) are actually impossible for God. Note that in the former passage, Jesus said, "with men this is impossible," indicating that He was only speaking of what was humanly impossible, but not divinely impossible. However, there are some things that even God cannot do. For example, He cannot do anything that would contradict His nature, such as, cease being God, or be unholy, or do what is logically impossible (like making a square circle, or forcing people to freely love him ). God cannot make a stone so big that He cannot lift it, since the created cannot be greater than the Creator. However, God can do anything that is possible to do. He is all-powerful (omnipotent), the "Almightily" (cf. Job 5:17, 6:14; 42:2)." Geisler, Howe pg. 351.

 

God is one in essence (Jn 1:1).

 

[Matthew 28:18-20] "...God is one in essence, but three in Persons.  God has one nature, but three centers of consciousness.  That is, there is only one What in God, but there are three Whos.  There is one It, but three I's.  This is a mystery, but not a contradiction.  It would be contradictory to say God was only one person, but also was three persons.  Or that God is only one nature, but that He also had three natures.  But to declare, as orthodox Christians do, that God is one essence, eternally revealed in three distinct persons is not a contradiction (Geisler, Howe, pg. 367)."

 

"...Geisler...is not infallible..."

 

Red Herring

 

"...[O]ur differing views of impeccability of Christ."

 

Strawman Eph 4:14

All men sinned in Adam.

[Lk 1:45, Ps. 51:5, Ro 5:12] "...Mary the mother of Jesus was the most blessed among women (see comments on Luke 1:28ff). However, she was not sinless, and the Bible makes this clear in many ways. First, David declared for all human beings, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5).

Second, Paul affirmed that every human born of natural parents since Adam, for "through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned [in Adam]" (Rom. 5:12).

Third, there is absolutely no trace anywhere in the Bible that Mary was an exception to the rule that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). In Christ's case, however, it points out repeatedly that He was human, yet without sin (2 Cor 5:21, Heb. 4:15, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 3:3).

Finally, Mary proclaimed her own sinfulness when she confessed, "my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior" (Luke 1:46). Like everyone sel, Mary too needed a Savior (Geisler, Howe, pg. 383-383)."

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Godrulz

 

Jesus is not only God's son.  He is the Son of God.

 

[Jn 1:18] "...There is a gigantic difference between the senses in which Jesus is the "Son of God" and we are sons of God."  First, He is the unique Son of God; I am only a son of God.  He is the Son of God with a capital "S"; human beings can become sons of God only with a small "s."  Jesus was the Son of God by eternal right of inheritance (Col. 1:15); we are only sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:15).  He is the Son of God because He is God by His very nature (John 1:1), whereas we are only made in the image of God (Gen. 1:27) and remade in "the image of Him" by redemption (Col. 3:10). Jesus is of God by His very nature; we are only from God.  He is divine in nature, but we only participate in it by salvation (2 Peter 1:4).  And we can participate only in God's moral attributes (like holiness and love), not in His non-moral attributes (like infinity and eternality). To summarize the differences:

 

Jesus as the Son of God:  Natural Son, No beginning, Creator, God by nature

Humans as sons of God:  Adopted sons, Beginning, Creature, Not God by nature" Geisler, Howe, pg. 404.

 

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