Two Witnesses

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "You are right about the lamp signifying the church but wrong about the two olive trees they represent the state in the form of Zerubbabel according to Zechariah 4."

Your apostate church (Re 17:1) works to undermine the coming two witnesses. :bowser::bowser: 

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Re 11:4–8). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

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Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[T]he two witnesses do not lie in the literal streets of Jerusalem..."

They rise out of the Mount of Olives (Zech 14:4, Mt 21:1). 

Hemi View Post

...[Y]ou literalists missed it and the rapture of the Church.

:yawn: You're projecting again (Eph 4:14). :noway:

The watchmen have pointed you to the Re 12 sign to be fulfilled on 23 Sept 17 (the Feast of Trumpets). You're not expecting his return (Re 3:3); therefore, you'll stay (Matt. 25:1-13). :rapture: A new dispensation will begin.

Hemi View Post

Someone started the goofy claim Sept 23 is the Revelation 12 sign, and you've been passing it along…

The rest of the timeline is easier to plug in now that we know the rapture date coinciding with the Feast of Trumpets. We’ll update our threads, we’re outta here and then you have no additional Christian input.  Find a bible. Don’t take the mark, and good luck. Hope to catch you on the flippity flip. :rapture:

Bob Carabbio View Post

...[A]nother "Date setter"...

:yawn: I've never set a date (Eph 4:14). :peach: 

JAG View Post

It’s not good for your emotional well-being for you to believe such nonsense ...

Tt 2:13

Ansel07 View Post

...[T]hese early Christians were expecting the return of Christ any time.

Christian expect his return. Earth dwellers who do not remain. :Plain: 2 Ti 4:8, Re 3:3

harry View Post

[Raptured] Which church? The church of Philadelphia?

Everyone thinks they are the church of Philadelphia. Read the letters to all of the churches as this is our report card (Missler). 

Reply to Kganetso Kevin Modisane

Elijah and Enoch are coming back soon.

Maybe. Maybe Moses and Elijah. Maybe in the spirit of Moses and Elijah...

Reply to J N

There will be two raptures…

Many thought that the FOT 2017 would be the rapture of the church (1 Cor. 15:52, 1 Thess 4:16).  It wasn’t.  

We go, then the seals are opened.  The short bus folks under the alter come later (Re 6:10).  

 

Think the Q team (Q Anon) are the two witnesses of Revelation? :bowser::bowser:  Re 11 :think:

Reply to Johnny Schleps

​Pain.  Where’s the pain?

That’s my point.  If Q can breathe fire out of his mouth (Re 11:5), :scripto: we’re in business.  

Reply to Johnny Schleps​

...I actually have more hope now that Q hasn't been posting. I'm tired of the hype and hoping they're too busy because the hammer is fixing to drop.

I agree.  Get out there Q and:  cause a drought (11:6a), :scripto:turn the  waters into blood (11:6b) :scripto:and  strike Obama and Clinton with a plague :scripto:(Re 11:6c). :mrt:

 

Reply to Kimmy​

Remember Q said "the attacks would get worse"....

Not impressed Noway until I see:  fire (Re 11:5) :bowser:and blood (Re 11:6b). :bowser:  What has Q done for me lately? Image 

Sustained By Faith View Post
See Chuck Missler Revelation on YouTube.

I’ve watched the series. He’s in heaven. We’re still here with work to do. He never commented to my knowledge about the Re 12 sign. He did have some antichrists around him to tried to claim that is was meaningless. 

Weltner suggests that Daniel’s 70th week has already begun FOT 2017. She agrees that no seal is opened until we’re gone. She still holds to pre-trib.

nyrosis View Post
Think we are bearing witness eh? We are, till the end.

Neither you nor I are one of the two witnesses spoken about in Re 11.  They are perhaps: Moses/Elijah or Moses/Enoch or in the spirit of. 


SECTION OUTLINE ELEVEN (REVELATION 11)
John sees the two witnesses of God carrying out their 1,260-day ministry before being murdered by the Antichrist. The seventh trumpet is blown.


I. THE TEMPLE OF GOD (11:1–2)
A. The command (11:1a): John is told to measure the Tribulation Temple.
B. The count (11:1b): He is to number the worshipers.
C. The court (11:2a): He is to exclude the outer court, which has been given to the Gentiles.
D. The contempt (11:2b): The Gentiles will trample the Holy City for forty-two months.


II. THE TWO WITNESSES OF GOD (11:3–14)
A. The ministry of these two witnesses (11:3–6)
1. The duration of their ministry (11:3) : They will prophesy for 1,260 days.
2. The dedication of their ministry (11:4) : They function as God’s two olive trees and lampstands.
3. The devastation caused by their ministry (11:5–6)
a. They devour their enemies by supernatural fire (11:5) .
b. They cause a three-and-one-half-year drought (11:6a).
c. They turn waters into blood (11:6b).
d. They strike the earth with plagues (11:6c).
B. The martyrdom of the two witnesses (11:7–10)
1. The corrupt one causing their deaths (11:7–9)
a. Who he is (11:7a): He is the Antichrist himself.
b. Where he comes from (11:7b): The bottomless pit.
c. What he does (11:9b): He refuses to permit anyone to bury the witnesses’ bodies.
d. Where he does it (11:8) : They lie in the streets of Jerusalem.
e. Why he does it (11:9a): To show his utter contempt for the two witnesses.
2. The celebration following their deaths (11:10) : The entire world rejoices over their deaths.
C. The metamorphosis of the two witnesses (11:11–14)
1. Resurrection (11:11–12): They are raptured up into heaven.
2. Destruction (11:13–14): An earthquake destroys one-tenth of Jerusalem, leaving seven thousand dead. Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Re 11). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Reply to Watchman for that Great Day

[Are we out of here before the trumpets blow?]

Regarding 1 Thess 4:16 J. Vernon McGee wrote:

"...When the Lord takes His church out of the world, the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven. There will be no angels. Angels are connected with Israel but not with the church at all. He will descend from heaven “with a shout.” That is the voice of command. It is the same voice which He used when He stood at the tomb of Lazarus and said, “Lazarus, come forth” (see John 11:43). “The voice of the archangel.” Now wait, isn’t that an angel connected with the Rapture? No, it is His voice that will be like the voice of an archangel. It is the quality of His voice, the majesty and the authority of it. “The trump of God.” Will there be trumpets there? No, it is His voice that will be like a trumpet. Can we be sure of this? In Revelation 1:10, John, who was exiled to the Isle of Patmos, wrote, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.” He turned to see who it was, and he saw the glorified Christ. It is the voice of the glorified Christ that is like the sound of a trumpet. That ought to get rid of all this foolishness about Gabriel blowing his horn or blowing a trumpet. I don’t think Gabriel even owns a trumpet, but if he has one, he won’t need to blow it. The Lord Jesus is not going to need the help of Gabriel. Do you think the Lord Jesus needed Gabriel to come and help Him raise Lazarus from the dead? Can you imagine the Lord Jesus at the tomb of Lazarus saying, “Gabriel, won’t you come over here and help Me get this man out of the grave?” How absolutely foolish! The Lord Jesus will not need anyone to help Him. When He calls His church, their bodies will come up out of the graves." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (1 and 2 Thessalonians) (electronic ed., Vol. 49, pp. 80–81). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Clarke believes that the rapture must be on the FOT (1 Cor. 15:52).  I think he’s wrong about that...   

Sustained By Faith View Post
...[T]he clock for the final seven wont start until the treaty is signed.

The deal is done. The Antichrist enforces it.

“1396 גָּבַר [gabar /gaw·bar/] v. A primitive root; TWOT 310; GK 1504; 25 occurrences; AV translates as “prevail” 14 times, “strengthen” three times, “great” twice, “confirm” once, “exceeded” once, “mighty” once, “put” once, “stronger” once, and “valiant” once. 1 to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great. 1A (Qal). 1A1 to be strong, mighty. 1A2 to prevail. 1B (Piel) to make strong, strengthen. 1C (Hiphil). 1C1 to confirm, give strength. 1C2 to confirm (a covenant). 1D (Hithpael). 1D1 to show oneself mighty. 1D2 to act proudly (toward God).” Strong, J. (1995). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Woodside Bible Fellowship.
 SecretPlace View Post
...The Two witnesses are something separate. Once they are here, Christians will have been raptured (if ready)...

We may see some the ‘travails’ for Israel prior to leaving...

Chuck Missler died just this month.

Right. I had hoped that he would comment on Re 12 sign prior to his death. He never did. He sent antichrists out there to speak for him. I don’t know that he would have approved of their message...

… We shall see! ‘No one knows the date or the hour’.

A lot of work occurred in heaven and on earth after that statement. :Plain:

…The treaty will start the clock ticking on the seven years.

:idunno:Maybe.  :listen: Maybe it’s already been agreed upon; but, the public has not been told yet.
Sustained By Faith View Post
‘[N]o one knows the date or hour’ and you say that a lot has happened in heaven since that was said ...

That’s correct.  The Lord was not lying when he made that statement.  After that time, he died and rose again.  He and God, the Father had additional conversations.  The Lord happened to reveal more to his friend, John.

We call it the Book of Revelation. :Plain:

…the Bible and more importantly the Word of God never changes.

Does it continue to reveal something to you as you re-read it? Ro 8:14, He 4:12

If you say that... then it calls into question all that God said…

Questions don't bother God. He's got broad shoulders. He can take it. 

...[S]o frankly this calls into question what you are saying for me.

“Specifics Bob.” ~ Bob, Phenomenon Ac 17:11  :peach:

I’ll pray for you brother.

If you’re a Christian, that might matter (Pr 15:29).  :juggle:

Your name Serpentdove. This says a lot maybe.

More study. Less ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

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AlphaManForGod View Post

Hmm, Serpentdove is a telling name. Just sayin'...

Pr 26:4...

“Interesting things always seem to happen on the 17th of every month.” Truthification Chronicles  

Reply to Weltner

Daniel’s 70th week does not begin until after the rapture of the church.  

Oct 17 of 2017 two witnesses showed up.

...Q’s first post was on 28 Oct 17.  :bowser::bowser:

See:

Order of Events Missler 

Reply to Weltner

What have the two witnesses been doing?

What two witnesses?  Do you mean your conjecture that they are already here? :dizzy: 2 Pe 2:1 

Two Witnesses