Establishment Clause of the First Amendment

Response to comment [from other]:  "What's your fear that children in our public schools system [aren't] being indoctrinated into Christianity?"

What is your fear of the truth?

Did you know that students at Harvard were required to translate the Old and New Testaments from the original Greek and Hebrew into Latin?  My, how the mighty fall.  Today, Harvard is a godless, poison ivy school.  

What made our country great was our love for God.  God is gracious.  When you ask him to leave, he will.  I pray he doesn't listen to those like you.

"Slavery made this country great in the beginning..."

The founders had abolishing slavery in mind and set up our Declaration of Independence and Constitution (based on biblical principles) to that end "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal": 

[Education]

Plato said there are two questions:

1.  Who gets to teach the children?

2.  What are they teaching?

I don't let the godless educate my kids.  How about you?

Response to comment [from other]:  "While certain men like Jefferson is quoted as stating they would like to end slavery, it can hardly be claimed to be a widespread sentiment of the time."

Disparage our founders.  I think they were exceptional God-fearing men for the most part. 

See:

Faith of America's Founders

"I would much rather the "godless" teach my children, which would leave their religious instruction to me while a dry cirriculum of plain hsitory and sciences were taught by the "godless"."

That is irresponsible and sinful (Pro 22:6).  You want a bunch of pagan, heathen, reprobates running around our country.

"Religious doctrine in public schools, as well as forced prayers and bible study, absolutely stomp on the rights of every person..."

Public schools began to ensure the biblical literacy of children.  This is not a value of yours, so be it.  When our country is gone, you'll know why.  Our best days are behind us (and you will notice the polls suggest that most believe this). 

Response to comment [from other]:  "So don't let a godless person teach your kids about God. Does it matter if your children's mathematics teacher believes? He's not teaching theology he's teaching mathematics."

It matters to me.  I have met my child's math teacher.  She loves Jesus and brings his teaching into the classroom whenever possible.  Those who believe in the real Jesus (not the spirit-brother of Lucifer who became a god of Mormonism) do not exclude him from any area of study.   

Christians have a personal relationship with their creator.  Where we go, he goes--be it in the math classroom or the history classroom or the geography classroom (Col 2:6).  It is unconscionable to ask him to leave as the public schools have officially done. 

Any parent who sends his child to the public schools sins. 

"You forget one important detail.  By including religion into a law, that law effects everyone. Therefore, the [argument] has then indeed stepped on someone's religious rights.  The Establishment Clause is, by it's nature, a wall and not a one-way turnstile."

I do not worship the Constitution as others do.  I worship the Lord Jesus.  I am in favor of his ruling and reigning.  This is not the form of government that we have now, but it is the future rule of law.  Everyone should prepare for his leadership now (1 Jn 3:3).

"While religion might work in a theocracy, it has no place outside of the private sector in a secular Constitutional Republic."

Works for me.  It worked for the Jews well, too.  The moment they gave up the Lord's rule and reign, they were headed downward.  Sort of like us.  

"There is also this to consider as well...Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; From the Tripoli Treaty of 1796, written, ratified and signed into US Law by the very same men who Founded this Nation."

Do not fail to remember that the founders of America wanted Christianity to be encouraged. 

Response to comment [from other]:  [Left leaning site Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10] "See...http://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundin...  A far less biased site."

I prefer my own, thanks.

"I would imagine you would like a minister to teach religion, and not quantum physics unless he has a degree in that area."

A Christian does not need a degree to preach the gospel.  Some of the best Christians did not attend seminary.

"Also please note. I am not a Christian. Your sin set doesn't apply to me."

Sin applies to every person.  The Bible says there is no one good (Ro 3:12, 1Ki 8:46; Ec 7:20. ).  Sin entered into the world by Adam (Ge 3:6,7; Ro 5:12); all men are conceived and born in sin ( Ge 5:3; Job 15:14; 25:4; Ps 51:5); all men are shaped in sin (Ps 51:5). God requires that every person confess his sin (Le 5:5; Ho 5:15).

"The dark ages are over, fear tactics don't work anymore."

True believers in Christ  were murdered in the Dark Ages.  What is your point?

See:

Reformation Time Line

"And we certainly did well "in the past", didn't we, subjugating those sub-human blacks, nearly wiping out the culture, language, and religion of those filthy heathens who were here before we were..."

The Bible says we are one blood (Ac 17:26).  Racism stems from Darwinian evolution not the Bible.

See:

Darwin's Plantation

"...kicking those rank Catholics out of Texas so we could put good ol' Protestant in there under the Stars and Stripes. And let us not forget that good 'ol civil war we had, what a hoot."

American paid dearly for the sin of slavery.

"I'm sorry, but plain history has shown that Christianity doesn't make for a good neighbor, nor good government."

That is because you believe lies about history and Christianity.   

"In 6000 years of recorded history in religious wars about 3 million people died and that's regrettable. 

Hitler and Stalin, who rejected God, alone are responsible for the deaths of 57 million people. 

We are talking about all religious wars:  Muslims, Hindus and oriental religions.  If you talk about religious wars that involve "Christians", it's about 1.8 million.  If you are talking about those who are Bible-believing, what we call Evangelical Christians, it is less than 1/4 million. 

Those who reject God--57 million and the number is growing (Rogers, Can An Intellectual Believe in God?)."  TOL Military thread.    

See:

What Christianity Has Done for the World

"I would hope we don't have a theocracy!  I'm sorry to say, your religion has just as lousy a history when in utter control as any Muslim theocracy today."

You will have a theocracy (Zech. 6:13).

How many Christians do you know who tell you that they want to kill you? Do yourself a favor--when someone says they want to kill you, believe them.

Too bad you do not see the difference between friend and foe (John 16:2).

Recommended Reading:

Why We Want to Kill You: The Jihadist Mindset and How to Defeat It by Walid Shoebat

"How could the Jews give up the "Lord's Rule"?  They were never Christians in the first place."

The Lord is the Lord of all people (Ps 100:1).

"Encouraged and protected, certainly. In the private sector, not ruling, and ruining, the country."

The founders called our country an experiment.  They knew it would not work if we turned our back on God. 

See:

Revival for Survival

Response to comment [from a DocJohnson]:  [Originally Posted by AxisMundi:  Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; From the Tripoli Treaty of 1796, written, ratified and signed into US Law by the very same men who Founded this Nation.]

Correct.

Our country was, however, founded by Christian men who had no intention of engaging in a holy war with a Muslim nation. Hence Article 11 concludes with with the following (which you conveniently left out):

"as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Thank you for that clarification.  I bet you look just like your avatar.

Response to comment [from other]:  "Your religion, your gods, and your sin set apply to Christians only."

The problem with the world is sin (De 9:7; Jos 1:18).  God provided a savior (Jn 3:16).

"There is a matter of Europeans refusing to be converted and being put to death..."

I do not defend Roman Catholics.  They put believers in Jesus Christ to death.  They teach a different Jesus, a different gospel, and a different way of salvation from historical, biblical Christianity.

See:

Reformation Time Line http://www.vananne.com/applesofgoldbiblestudy/Reformation%20Time%20Line.PDF

"...[Y]our "true believers" were more time than not murdered by their fellow "true believers"."

Not mine.  I am a believer in Jesus Christ.  I am not a Roman Catholic.  Roman Catholics murdered Christians (Jn 3:7).

"Hitler was a Christian..."

Hitler was not a Christian (Jn 3:7, Mt 7:16).

"Why do you insist on quoting your scriptures to someone who see it as a poorly written fantasy novel?"

Your view does not make scripture any less true. 

The cults try to twist it.

The liberals water it down.

The humanists ignore it.

So-called Christians claim they love it but don't study it. Some people have enough dust on their Bible to write with their finger 'damnation' (Rogers).

See:

Inspired Scripture

Response to comment [from other]:  "Your rather "sinful" judgmental views on the RC doesn't negate the plain fact that they are Christians."

Membership in a church does not make a person a Christian (Mt 7:20).  Trust in the Lord alone for salvation makes a person a Christian (Eph 2:8). 

"Christians terrorist groups..."

Sure.  Christians are known for their terror around the world.  Meanwhile, I was speaking about here on planet earth.

See:

What Christianity Has Done for the World  

"Knights of Columbus, lobbies to have their god hammered into our Pledge..."

The inscription above the Speaker's rostrum in the House of Representatives reads "In God We Trust".  Would you like to climb up there and remove that as well?  

Response to comment [from other]:  "What "good" Christianity has done doesn't negate the horrors the religion has caused, from wars and Inquisitions to the systematic attempted eradication of ancient cultures and religions wherever Christians have landed."

Have you ever met a true, born-again Christian?  You will know a Christian by his fruits (Mt 7:20).  True Christians have done more for the world than anyone else.

See:

What Christianity Has Done for the World  

Make-believers murdered true believers.  Learn who is of God and who is not (Mt 7:20).

See:

Reformation Time Line

"'Good' also doesn't include the false charity hiding missionary work to convert people."

Sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ is good (Mk 16:15). 

"Founders intent..."

The founders of our country were Christian.  They wanted that fact to be remembered.  They encouraged the promotion of Christianity.

See:

Faith of America's Founders

"Catholics are, indeed Christian..."

A Christian is one who is born again (Jn 3:7).  Church membership does not save.  Only Jesus saves (Eph 2:8).

See:

Roman Catholicism

"Do you have original thoughts, or is your entire ideology based on plagerism?"

Do you mean "plagiarism"?  Referring to scripture?  I get my thoughts from there, yes.

"There is no such thing as a 'true Christian'."

A true, blue Christian loves the Lord (Mt 22:37).

[Founders] "They shed blood to separate from just such a country..."

They sought freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

"We have no need or desire to be bothered by you or your gods. And save yourself, judging people is a sin."

Every person needs a savior (Heb 9:22).  We are commanded to judge rightly (Pr 31:9).

Response to comment [from other]:  "Would you like to be made, by law, to worship as your "evil unChristian" Roman Catholics do? As a Calvinist perhaps? Presbyterian?"

Humbling yourself before God is a choice (Job 22:29).  God does not force anyone into heaven.

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment