Dodged Questions

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "This always happens in a hotly contested thread, especially when dealing with slippery scumbags who pretend that they are followers of Christ - they get asked a pointed question and then either totally ignore it or dodge and dance away from it while pretending that they've answered it.  So I'm gonna collect them here! Feel free to join in!"

bybee

... I absolutely passionately believe and defend the freedom of choice guaranteed to all personas under our constitution!"

resodko

Can you show me where in the constitution we, as American citizens, are guaranteed the choice to:

a. murder unborn children
b. engage in adultery
c. engage in homosexual behavior

A necessary thread (Eph 5:11).

The motherload of all unanswered questions: GodRulzRandomThoughts.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "What is serpentdove looking for?"

I got my answers. Next time I'll post in here. 2 Tim. 3:13

I want the truth!

Jonahdog

Do I believe I'm nicer than god? Doesn't matter whether I am nicer than your god or the pink unicorns.

serpentdove

Is that yes you are nicer than that God--that doesn't exist? 1 Pet. 1:3

 

Yorzhik

[Real men don't hit women] Then you'd agree that if one never hits a woman, but a woman initiates physical violence, then she's no longer a woman...

serpentdove

Do you hit women?

 

HisServant

[Businesses not celebrating Sodomites] They absolutely 100% did the wrong thing according to the bible.

serpentdove

What have you done to defend marriage? Heb 13:4

serpentdove

Hey Meshak, didn't you tell TOL members that you abandoned your military husband and live off of his benefits?

Rusha 

...It's rather interesting that you wouldn't agree that IF she were consistent, she would refuse to issue marriage licenses to adulterers or those having sex out of wedlock.

serpentdove 

What have you done to defend marriage? Heb 13:4

Neopatriarch 

Wives in the Bible were a blessing from God. Not punishment.

One wife (Gen. 2:18–24) for life (Matt. 19:6, Rom. 7:2, 3) is a good thing (Prov. 5:15–19, Matt. 19:5). Two and three--not a good thing.   What are you promoting here? A life like Esau (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10, Heb 13:4)   or a God fearing life?   Gen. 26:34, 35 

Neopatriarch 

I'm no longer participating in this thread serpentdove...

Is a wife a good thing? Pr 18:22 Are two wives a good thing?   Ex 20:14

GM asked you with which church are you affiliated?   Were you promoting bigamy or polygamy? Lev. 20:10–12

"You answered your own question and with the same verse I gave in the old thread."

Are they right about you or are they wrong?   If Christians do not accept you, you're not the real deal (Ga 1:8). 

"Clarity is our friend."   ~ Dennis Prager

[Are two wives a good thing?   Ex 20:14] "Who wrote the Proverbs 18:22 text you cited earlier? How many wives did he have? How do you suppose he understood this verse?"

Are two wives a good thing?   Ex 20:14   

"...[A]pply Exodus 20:14 to "two wives". You cannot by definition have adultery with your own wife."

You cannot have two wives (Gen. 2:18–24).   The one flesh covenant is for one man and one woman (Matt. 19:6) for life (Rom. 7:2, 3). If you add a guy here and a gal there,   you get the creepy crawlies that come along with that (1 Co 6:18).   All that God endorses leads to life (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). If one's spouse has committed adultery, the betrayed spouse need not return to the marital bed with the defiled creature (1 Co 7:15).   

Are you a bigamist or polygamist? 

"Exodus 20:14 is about sleeping with another mans wife."

Exodus 20:14 is about committing adultery whether you are a man or a woman. 

Recommend reading:

The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney  

Recommended sites:

Christian Divorce and Re marriage Joseph Webb

Marriage Permanence

Permanence of Marriage Until Death Walking by the Spirit Always  

[Were you promoting bigamy or polygamy? Lev. 20:10–12]  "Not per se."



"I would argue that one does not need a license from the state to be married in the eyes of God."

I would agree (Deut 22:29, ESV). God never endorsed divorce. Moses allowed a writ during the betrothal period if a man learned that his betrothed was not a virgin (Mt 19:8). 

“Who are "they"?...and what are "they" saying?

Those in the original thread who had asked you questions that you fail to answer. 

“I thought it was Christ alone.”

Ga 5:9, Eph 4:14

“You're not really suggesting that it's Christ plus popular acceptance.”

The members challenging you are believers.  When the body rejects you, that means you are poison (2 Pe 2:1). 

[Promoting polygamy] “The Bible says it is not good for men to be alone. Gen 2:18.”

Hugh Hefner could say the same thing and he’s going to hell (1 Co 6:9-10).

“We agree that a wife shows favor from God.”

Getting a godly woman is a gift from God (Ge 2:18, Pr 31).

“David already had ~6 wives when God gave him more.”

God never endorsed polygamy (Gen. 2:24, Ex 20:14). 

“They are listed among other blessings that God had given him.”

One wife (the only type you can have [Gen. 2:18–24]) is a good thing. Having two and three and four   wives is serial adultery (Lk 16:18, Rom. 7:2, 3) not marriage (Gen. 2:18–24).   

“God doesn't tempt men to sin. James 1:13.  So which is it? Are these wives blessings as presented in scripture…I know you want a soundbyte, but I can only appeal to scripture for the answer.”

You are appealing   to your own wicked heart (Jer 17:9)  not scripture.   

"Man's own religion usually descends to the fleshly life to which they themselves practice." ~ Jim Andrews

“…or sinful temptation from God.”

Is God to blame for your sin?   Mt 15:18

“I cannot support the latter, so I am left with the former.”

How many women did you club over the head and drag home?   

“They must have been given from God's hand into David's bosom rightly.”

Why did David lose his son? 2 Sa 12:22-23   

[Wives] “They must have been given from God's hand into David's bosom rightly.”

God instituted marriage for one man and one woman (Gen. 2:18–24) for life (Rom. 7:2, 3). :dizzy:  He will judge those who break his commandments (Heb 13:4).

Mickiel

... [N]ow its a people taught thing. ...

Originally Posted by ok doser

Aren't you a people?

Cc: @heir @john w @glorydaz @exminister @Grosnick Marowbe

What part of scripture is inconsistent? Eph 4:14

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Kirk Cameron: Wives Should 'Honor and Respect and Follow Their Husband's Lead'

john w

[Have you been born again? Jn 3:7] I am not Israel...

2 Pe 2:1, Re 2:5

Arthur Brain

It ain't anti Christian bigotry to tell that certified fruit loaf to shut up. She is flat out bonkers, so no real wonder that you jump to her defense...

serpentdove

30 people were rescued. Would you encourage them to repent? 1 Co 6:9-10

Alate_One

What religion was Timothy McVeigh? What religion was Dylan Roof? What religion was Adam Lanza?

serpentdove

What do you think? Mt 7:21-23

SD: Is Jesus the son of a star child? 2 Pe 2:1

Cruciform: Post #2 link  

See:

Believe the Lie

serpentdove

@Nanja, do you happen to believe that you are one of the special 144,000?

SD: 2 Co 12:9, Is 26:3, no commentary; What does 2 Co 12:9 and Is 26:3 mean to you and what is your point in quoting it here? It means what it what it says--how so? How does it it apply to this conversation to your understanding?

TH: You will keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on you: because he trusts in you. Isaiah 26:3 link

SaulToPaul

"He that commits sin is of the devil"...

serpentdove

Do you sin?

SaulToPaul

It is no longer I...

I, you, he, she or it. Do you sin?

It is no longer I...

Not the apostle Paul--you. Do you sin?

Romans 7...

Pr 16:18

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

See:

Entire Sanctification Heresy

"SECTION OUTLINE SEVEN (ROMANS 7)
Paul discusses how the law of God applies to and affects three kinds of people.


I. SPIRITUAL PEOPLE AND THE LAW (7:1–6)
A. Their relationship to the law (7:1–3, 5)
1. They are like widows freed from their husbands (7:1–3).
2. They are like dead men freed from their lusts (7:5) .
B. Their relationship to the Savior (7:4, 6)
1. They have been raised by Christ (7:4a, 6): They are released from the law.
2. They are now to produce fruit through Christ (7:4b): Thus spiritual people are delivered from the law.


II. NATURAL PEOPLE AND THE LAW (7:7–13): The law is used in a twofold manner.
A. The illustration usage (7:7, 10): God used the law to reveal the sinfulness of the flesh.
B. The condemnation usage (7:8–9, 11–13): Sin used the law to rekindle the sinfulness of the flesh. Thus natural people are doomed by the law.


III. CARNAL PEOPLE AND THE LAW (7:14–26)
A. Paul has learned that any attempt to keep the law leads to carnality (7:14–23).
1. The confusion (7:14–16): Paul’s frustration is twofold.
a. He doesn’t do the things he wants to do (7:14–15a, 16a).
b. He does the things he doesn’t want to do (7:15b, 16b).
2. The corruption (7:17–20): He realizes the total corruption of his old sinful nature.
3. The conclusion (7:21–23): He understands the daily struggle within him.
a. The old nature, always attempting to do wrong (7:21a, 23)
b. The new nature, always attempting to do right (7:21b–22)
B. Paul has learned that no attempt to keep the law can lead to spirituality (7:24–25).
1. The agony of Paul’s problem (7:24) : “What a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin?”
2. The answer to Paul’s problem (7:25) : “Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord.”


SECTION OUTLINE EIGHT (ROMANS 8)
Paul outlines seven new assurances accompanying salvation.


I. THE BELIEVER HAS A NEW POSITION (8:1–8).
A. Our position in regard to the Son of God (8:1–3): The believer is in Christ.
1. The miracle involved (8:1, 3a): Believers receive no condemnation and are freed from sin and death.
2. The means involved (8:2, 3b): This was accomplished not through the law of Moses but by the death of Christ.
B. Our position in regard to the law of God (8:4–8): We are now able to fulfill the righteous requirements of the law in and through Christ.


II. THE BELIEVER HAS A NEW GUEST (8:9–14).
A. Who he is (8:9) : He is the blessed Holy Spirit himself.
B. What he does (8:10–14)
1. He once strengthened Christ and raised him from the dead (8:11) .
2. He now lives within us and controls us (8:9) .
3. He now strengthens us and will someday raise us from the dead (8:10, 12–14).


III. THE BELIEVER HAS A NEW ADOPTION (8:15–17): We are now members of God’s family.
A. Giving us an intimacy with the Father (8:15–16)
B. Giving us an inheritance from the Father (8:17)


IV. THE BELIEVER HAS A NEW HOPE (8:18–25): The nature of this hope is the full and final redemption of all things, including:
A. Christians (8:18, 23–25)
1. The present grief (8:18a, 23): Believers groan to be released from pain and suffering.
2. The future glory (8:18b, 24–25)
a. The comparison (8:18b): Today’s grief is nothing when compared with tomorrow’s glory.
b. The command (8:24–25): Until then, however, we are to wait patiently and confidently.
B. Creation (8:19–22)
1. Nature, the victim (8:20, 21b–22): The natural world of plants and animals groans in pain because of the fall.
2. Nature, the victor (8:19, 21a): Nature, too, will be liberated from decay and death to freedom and fruitfulness.


V. THE BELIEVER HAS A NEW PRAYER HELPER (8:26–27).
A. The identity of this helper (8:26a): He is the Holy Spirit.
B. The indispensability of this helper (8:26b): His prayers are vital, because we don’t even know what we should pray for.
C. The intensity of this helper (8:26c–27)
1. How he prays (8:26c): He prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words.
2. What he prays (8:27) : He pleads for us in harmony with God’s own will.


VI. THE BELIEVER HAS A NEW CONFIDENCE (8:28) .
A. What it involves (8:28a): God causes everything to work together for good.
B. Whom it involves (8:28b): Those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them.


VII. THE BELIEVER HAS A NEW DESTINY (8:29–39).
A. The summary (8:29) : The Father himself has decreed that all believers should become like his dear Son!
B. The steps (8:30)
1. We were foreknown by the Father (8:30a).
2. We were predestined by the Father (8:30b).
3. We were called by the Father (8:30c).
4. We were justified by the Father (8:30d).
5. We were glorified by the Father (8:30e).
C. The security (8:31–39)
1. There exists no possible accusation against believers (8:31–34).
a. The Father will not allow this (8:31–33).
(1) He once gave us his Son (8:31–32a).
(2) He now gives us all things (8:32b–33).
b. The Son will not allow this (8:34) .
(1) He died for us (8:34a).
(2) He was resurrected for us (8:34b).
(3) He now prays for us (8:34c).
2. There exists no possible separation from the Savior (8:35–39): This includes:
a. Both life and death (8:35–38a)
b. Both angels and demons (8:38b)
c. Both present and future (8:38c)
d. Both height and depth (8:39)" Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Ro 7–8:39). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

serpentdove

[Was there a point in time when the Son was separated from the Father or the Holy Spirit? ]

SaulToPaul

...[I]rrelevant...

john w

[Was there a point in time when the Son was separated from the Father or the Holy Spirit? ] Translated: An emotional, wining, pining argument...

serpentdove

Was there a point in time when the Son was separated from the Father or the Holy Spirit?

musterion

Why ask me?...

Related:

Lordship

CatholicCrusader

[Are you jealous of Trump's serial adultery? Ex 20:14] Jealous because 70-year old Trump can get a hottie and all you can do is toss off in the toilet.

serpentdove

Jealous of what? His serial adultery? Ex 20:14. If you could switch places with him, would you? Mt 16:26

serpentdove

Was there a point in time when the Son was separated from the Father or the Holy Spirit?

Danoh

Be more specific.

serpentdove

Can the Father be separated from the Son? Can the Son be separated from the Holy Spirit?

Danoh

You are still being vague?

serpentdove

Is God's oneness divisible or indivisible?

Tambora

[Wrong Adding SaulToPaul to Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) . ] She sure is.

 serpentdove

Was there a point in time when the Son was separated from the Father or the Holy Spirit?

Is that your brains falling out? Oh wait, couldn't be; that would be impossible for you.

Was there a point in time when the Son was separated from the Father or the Holy Spirit? Can the Father be separated from the Son? Can the Son be separated from the Holy Spirit? Is God's oneness divisible or indivisible?

annabenedetti

So I asked musterion if he was going to lock his thread, and he locked it so I'm putting my response here....[N]ot bowing to the altar that is musterion/(+ a different screen name before 2014)

What was his old user name?

annabenedetti

[musterion sock puppet] I don't know. I asked him if he was Jabin but he didn't answer.

Their horns eventually show (2 Pe 2:1).

keypurr

[Jn 1:1-3, 1 Jn 4:3] Why not just prove your point with scriptures[?]

Jn 1:1-3, 1 Jn 4:3, Eph 4:14

As a reminder keypurr is number 1 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

popsthebuilder

One doesn't have to confine their understanding to the traditional Trinitarian understanding in order to be Christian...

serpentdove
Do you reject the trinity? Is 6:3

Nick M

If the flesh could stop sinning and was not cursed, then the Lord Jesus Christ died for nothing.

jamie

Are you saying Jesus was not flesh?

2 Pe 2:1 

john w

You should get saved, and delete that embarrassing Granny Moses pic.

serpentdove

Are you speaking about theophilus' home page? 1 Sa 16:7

Eph 4:14

annabenedetti

If only Sanders had won the primary...

Do you want to be Venezuela? Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10

kiwimacahau

[Jn 1:1] You are confusing the Eternal Word with the Bible.

serpentdove

Did Jesus exist before being born? Jn 1:1-3

Crucible

The insanity of feminism...And every one of them have claimed sexual assault in the past...

serpentdove

Has a woman claimed that you sexually assaulted her?

God's Truth

The Father sent Himself as a Son.

serpentdove

Was Jesus praying to himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?

Interplanner

[Since Christ's blood is not for Gentiles, will 2P2Pers please explain what atones]

musterion

He's just making it all up now...

serpentdove

Do you reject the blood atonement? Lev. 17:10–14

As a reminder musterion is number 60 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

2 Pe 2:1

serpentdove View Post

It's a yes or no question. Should the writings of Dr. Luke be included in scripture? Deut 4:2, Ps 19:7, Col. 1:25–-27

Conqueror View Post

The answer is obvious to those who have repented of considering the papacy's additions / tares as the word of God.  Rome has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication (Rev 14:8).  The inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of the harlot's fornication (Rev 17:2).  No inhabitant of the world will be able to correct me due to their intoxication with tares as the word of God.  However knowledge will increase at the end of time (Daniel 12:4) due to the confusion / intoxication leaving upon repentance.

Conqueror View Post

Should Luke who doctored an account, as it seemed good to him (Luke 1:3), be included in the canon?  Yes, if you believe in the absurd dogma of inspiration by association.  No, if you believe in the apostolic word of God, which states that only apostles and prophets are foundational and holy /set apart to receive revelation (Eph 2:20. 3:5).  It is your choice to believe in the word of God or not.  The papacy sowed tares among the wheat.  That means additions to the word of God.  The born-again are intoxicated with those tares as the word of God and need to repent.

Conqueror View Post

Luke's babble isn't the word of God.

Deut 4:2, Ps 19:7, Col. 1:25--27

America View Post

[Are you for or against pedophilia? Ex. 21:16] ...[C]ite scripture all you want, but at least make an effort to have it be relevant...

2 Pe 2:1

Are you for or against pedophilia? Ex. 21:16
[Banned for asking this question, removed from conversation] SaulToPaul   ]  Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Mk 9:41 , 13:7, 25:8, 40, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Jud 1:9

SaulToPaul

SD:Is this statement true or false?:

His blood is our means of atonement (Lev. 17:10–14).



As a reminder is SaulToPaul number 57 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category.

patrick jane

I accept the blood of Christ.

SD: For what? Lev. 17:10–14

Truster

Do you sin?

Originally Posted by God's Truth

[As a reminder God's Truth is number 39 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. ] None of your business.

serpentdove

God's law is perpetual and ongoing (Mt 5:18). When did God nail do not murder, do not commit adultery to the cross? Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

See:

Theology Thursday: The Bible's Criminal Code by Bob Enyart

Originally Posted by eider

...[Y]ou selected...

elohiym

[Promotes polygamy (Ex 20:14)] My position is that I cannot covet my wife anymore than I can covet what belongs to me.

Originally Posted by serpentdove

Do you covet other people's wives? Ex 20:17

Recommend reading:

The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney

Arthur Brain

You won't get a debate out of SD...

Originally Posted by serpentdove

When did God nail do not murder, do not commit adultery to the cross? Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

serpentdove

Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?

Originally Posted by Gurucam

For me the following is true...

serpentdove said: ↑

Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?

eldios said: ↑

It's not a yes or no question...

eldios said: ↑

When you put God on a pedestal like you're doing here in this thread, you better know that you will be judged for your actions.

I know. I've got this ant in my garden--always judging me for all my actions. Sometimes I want to step on him but I don't (Is 40:22, 2 Pe 3:9).

Desk trauma said: ↑

[Did I put the thread in the wrong place?] Yes.

Where should it have gone (where God-haters could also participate)? You know, the beautiful, tolerant people? Ps 14:1

tourist

[What penalty should the murderer receive? What penalty should the Sodomite receive?] Forgiveness from God if they are truly sorry as Jesus paid the penalty.

In a court of law what penalty should the murder receive? What penalty should the adulterer receive?

Meggido

[Are you pro-Sodomite? ] Are you pro-pagan?

It's a yes or no question. Are you pro-Sodomite ([Ex 20:14] heterosexual [Lev. 20:10–12] or homosexual [Lev. 20:10,13])?  More 

[Are you a pro-abort? Pr 8:36 ] Do you think homosexuals should be put to death?

Yes.

See:

Theology Thursday: The Bible's Criminal Code by Bob Enyart

Are you a pro-abort? Pr 8:36

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore (Re 1:18).

See:

Jehovah's False Witnesses 

barneyman3 View Post [Jehovah's False Witness re:  Re 1:18] ...[T]he speaker is Jesus Christ.

simplicio View Post

[Is that what you’d say for murders? adulterers? Eze 13:19] And who is more in need of the gospel than sinners?...

It’s a yes or no question.  Do you want murders to live? Do you want adulterers to live? Do you have a daughter?

Dodged Questions (TOL), (CARM)