@GloryDaz quote: ...I'm not crazy enough to answer your cunning craftiness.

Don't have to (2 Pe 2:1). Rejection of lordship--same for @patrick jane @john w @Nick M @SaulToPaul @musterion @heir @exminister @Grosnick Marowbe @steko @Tambora.

Jethro77 View Post ...You are assuming there was something there both worth learning...

Are you an easy-believist? In other words, you can stab Jesus in the back but believe that you're still saved?

See:

Heretics, apostates and false disciples  

Jethro77 View Post "The absolute lordship of Jesus" search online gives what I think are better readings/ lessons and without having to join or 'follow' a ministry....

Strawman. Following a ministry does not save. Having a right relationship with Jesus Christ saves. Do you include the truth about God's holiness in your gospel?

Reply to Scarbrough

We come so hard against the works…

If you are opposed to good works or Christ’s Lordship in your life, then you are an antinomian (Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14).

"You are not saved by your works.  You work because you're saved." ~ Adrian Rogers

[Forgiveness no matter what you do] You should have unconditional love for your children.

See:

 Jesus is Coming Soon Harpazo Rapturo

Rapture Spirit Winfrey

 Stop Me Before I Forgive Again Bob Enyart

 Automatic Forgiveness Bob Enyart

“Run from the Pharisee[s] that say…rapture is reward...No, it’s not.  There’s no scripture to say that.  None.”

We deserve nothing (Eph 2:9).  The best of our works are filthy rags to God (Is 64:6); Nevertheless, he saves us anyway because we have a simple faith in him (Ac 16:31).

Watch therefore, and pray always [once? no--always], that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass (Lk 21:36).

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Re 3:10).  

Reply to Lisa Kidwell

God wants you to be holy and completely free from sexual immorality (1 Thess 4:3).

Reply to Chad Gardiner

My holiness is based on Jesus, and what He has done, not on my own works.

Paul didn’t walk according to the flesh.  Do you? Ro 8:4 

Not usually.

A Christian does not walk habitually in sin (1 Jn 3:9).

Funny, how, when pointing to Christ as my righteousness, which is what Scripture teaches, people here seem offended or something, like I am condoning licentiousness....what's up with that?

You’re either saved or you’re not (1 Jn 3:14).  This isn’t rocket science.

For, even if I do good, I do not get credit for it…

You will be rewarded for any works that mattered (1 Co 3:12-13).

…[F]or it was Christ Who changed my heart…

If you responded to him (e.g. believing [Eph. 1:13], submitting to [2 Cor. 9:13], being established by [Rom. 16:25]), then he changed your heart (Eze 36:26). 

Serpent Dove, let me know when you've concluded whether I'm a reprobate or not.

I'd have to know your fruits (Mt 7:20). 

So, you'd have to take a little time, get to know me first?

Of course.  You either walk the walk (Ga 5:22-26) or not (Ga 5:19-21).

Reply to Emilie Vieira

Sin is the transgression of the law. If the law was given to the nation of Israel in the OT, then how can a non-Israelite commit sin if no law was given to them? 

God's law is perpetual and ongoing (Mt 5:18).  When did God nail do not murder or do not commit adultery to the cross? Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

The law if for the lawless (1 Ti 1:9).  If you are not in Christ you remain under wrath (Jn 3:36).  

 SoCalExile View Post

...[I]t seems he subscribes to the idea that only those that do good works will be raptured...

He would say men are sinners in need of a Savior (Jn 3:16).

…Gentles were never put under the Law...

The law is for the lawless (1 Ti 1:9).  God's law is perpetual and ongoing (Mt 5:18). When did God nail do not murder, do not commit adultery to the cross? Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

See:

Theology Thursday: The Bible's Criminal Code by Bob Enyart 

…[W]e are not under the Law…

Who is we? 

…but under grace…

If indeed you are under grace. If you break the law, expect a police officer to come to your house (Ro 13:4).

…The concept illustrated in verses 1-13 is that an attempt to be righteous by the Law is an attempt to be made righteous by one’s own performance…

We have no righteousness of our own. We are positionally righteous in Christ (Phil. 3:9). 

…Sin is transgression of the Law…

Right. Don’t sin. God’s standard is 100% perfection (Mt 5:48).

[Moral law] That's speaking of submitting to government authorities…

Do you reject Christ’s lordship? 

"You cannot have a 'come in Savior' and a 'stay out Lord' (Ro 14:9)." ~ Adrian Rogers

[Do you reject Christ’s lordship?] …Christ is Lord, you don't make Him Lord.

He must be Lord of all if he is to be Lord at all (Lk 6:46).

It is what He is: the Savior, and the Lord - it's a term denoting His divinity in the Bible.   

“You are free—to obey.” ~ J. Vernon McGee

Does your gospel exclude repentance?  Acts 2:37, 38

…Stop looking at what popular preachers say…

When you came to Christ, did you remain your own god?

…[T]he only path to righteousness is faith in Jesus Christ.

Who’s talking about justification? Men are: justified, sanctified and one day glorified.

Does your gospel exclude sanctification?

The law was a yoke that no one could carry and relying on yourself a path to misery…Romans 7…

The law shows men who they are. When saved, do they continue to: steal, kill and destroy? Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10

[Does your gospel exclude repentance? Acts 2:37, 38] …[G]o back up and read the notes on 1 John.

It’s a yes or no question. ​

There are some things to consider when you try to understand the word "repent"…

I was going one way. I stopped, turned around and went another way. Was there ever a time in your life when you were headed in one direction--stopped, turned around and headed in a new direction? Acts 9:1–20

…In Greek, the word translated as "repent" is "metanoia" which literally means "other mind" or "change of mind"….

Did you change your mind about your depravity and chart a new course? Did the world notice? How many people hate you because of Jesus Christ? Jn 16:1-4

[Repent] …This word never appears in the Gospel of John…

Your good news says: continue to live like the devil your whole life and when you die—you’re good—you’ll be saved? 1 Jn 3:9

Do you believe if one: signs a card, walks down and isle, has a few liver shivers—that he’s saved? Heb 10:26

…[T]hat you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life through His name…(John 20:31)…Why is that if it's more than a change of mind?

"Faith alone saves. But the faith that saves is not alone." ~ John Calvin

Are you offended by fruit inspectors? Mt 7:20

…It does appear in Romans 11:29 though with, "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Does that verse give men a license to sin? Jud 4

“A. The Israel of God (11:11a, 26–32)
1. The foretelling (11:11a, 26–27)
a. Israel restored through the promised Christ (11:26) : Isaiah predicted that the Deliverer would accomplish this (Isa. 59:20).
b. Israel restored through the promised covenant (11:27) : Isaiah predicted that God would keep his covenant with Israel (Isa. 59:21).
2. The faithfulness (11:28–32): All the above will come to pass, for God’s gifts and calling are irrevocable.
B. The God of Israel (11:33–36): Paul praises God by uttering one of Scripture’s greatest doxologies.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Ro 11:11–36). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Remember again that God repents in the KJV Old Testament several times.

He repented of what he had planned for Nineveh.

See:

Thread: Openness Theology - Does God Know Your Entire Future? - Battle Royale X

So does the Gospel include repentance? Yes, if you mean a change of mind from your works justifying you to God…

Are there false views that can send one to hell? Gal. 1:6-12

“The gospel is the bible from cover to cover.” ~ Michael Youssef

…Telling someone that "turn from sin" is a perquisite to salvation…

Is that what Jesus told the thief on the cross? Had the thief not died that day, do you think his life would have looked different the next day? Mt 7:20

Pastor Sandy discussed this pyramid concept and one of the sides of the pyramid being filled with the fruits of righteousness. You’re saying that Jesus will be happy to welcome one with fruits of wickedness into heaven because he had spiritual goosebumps at one time for four minutes? Re 21:27

…[I]s telling them they must follow the Law…

They can’t follow the law. They already agreed with God about that and got themselves a Savior. Not talking about justification--talking about sanctification. Or is your gospel greasy and sort of leaves that part out?

…It's essentially telling people that they must get well before seeing the Doctor…

The law—the mirror—showed man that he can’t make the grade. It caused him to place his trust in Christ. Ro 3:12

Pastor Sandy in an earlier video discussed coming to Christ. He often hears, “I’m a good person.”

He replies: What does that have to do with—you’re a sinner in need of a Savior? Paraphrased.

No one is arguing how one is saved (justification). We are discussing sanctification. Does your gospel wake up first thing in the morning saying, “I’m under grace, let’s get out and sin today”? Jud 4

…Jesus cleans His fish after He catches them.

We agree that the bad fish will not enter heaven which would make heaven hell? ​ Mt 13:47–50

... What the Bible emphasizes isn't some special kind of faith that the saved have that the unsaved world doesn't.

Everyone has faith —you get on a plane and have faith that your captain will get you to your destination. You take a prescription pill having faith that it’s not arsenic.

The demons have faith and they’re going to hell (Jas 2:19). 

…After all, is the person who tries to "turn from sin", i.e. do select works…

“Belief is a type of work.” ~ J. Vernon McGee

Are you opposed to good works? 

"The world does not hate the baby Jesus. The world does not hate the Jesus who fed the multitudes. The world does not hate the Jesus who healed the sick. The world hates the Jesus who testifies of it that it's works are evil." ~ Adrian Rogers Ge 37:3, Heb 4:15

…[I]t's the question of "what is your faith in?

Does faith in Christ lead to a changed life? Mt 7:20

One of my favorite parables to bring up in this debate that shows this plainly is Luke 18:9-14: …Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others…

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

A justified person does not trust in himself. He trusts in Christ. 

"The fruit always matches the tree." ~ Daryl Ferguson Lk 6:15-20

To me, this Pharisee sounds like many in the church, who think they're a special chosen class of genuine Christians.

Calvinism and Arminianism are both false (2 Pe 2:1). God chooses all men (Jn 3:16). Men must choose him back (Josh 24:15). When they do, they naturally (2 Co 5:17) obey. Does your gospel exclude obedience? 1 Sam. 15:1–35, 2 Pet. 2:4

He did works of faith, he tried to follow the law...he even gave credit to God; but, ultimately, his faith was in himself…

One who has been justified does not trust in himself (Jn 8:21). He has passed from death to life because he did not place trust in himself (1 Jn 3:14). Can you stab Jesus and your brother in the back daily and still go to heaven? Mt 22:37-39

…He looked down on other sinners…

Is that what you think about Christians? Have you ever met a Christian? Ro 3:12

…[I]n the modern church, this man would be looked upon as a great man of God…

If that’s true, then why does the make-believer call anyone who preaches holiness and obedience before God a Pharisee? Eph 4:14

...[T]he Tax Collector would be looked down upon as simply looking for "cheap grace" or "easy believeism".

Why did Jesus come to die? Because he had nothing better to do that day? Mt 1:21

…[I]t's about what our faith is in.

You have faith that greasy gracers are going to heaven. I do not (Jud 4).

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

BTW, to anyone reading, don't ever call it "cheap grace" - God came down in human flesh, was rejected, tortured, and hung on a cross; paying the highest price for our redemption, just so he can give that redemption away for free.

Anything else he had in mind for men? Mt 1:21

…I do not want to be the man held accountable at the judgment for calling it cheap…

Is that the way you used the chance to live? Mt 7:23 

…as if it was worth less than their works…

You believe you can look him in the eye and say with a straight face that you died to self. Good luck with that. Col 3:9

[Lk 7] …[I]n Luke above, there is another humble, yet very profound passage in Luke 7, which I find many pastors ignore…

“V. JESUS REBUKES A PHARISEE (7:39–49)
A. The resentment by the Pharisee (7:39) : In his heart this Jewish leader named Simon condemns Jesus for associating with the harlot who anointed his feet.
B. The response by the Savior (7:40–49): Jesus relates a parable to defend his action.
1. The contents of the parable (7:40–43): A creditor freely forgives two debtors of all they owe him.
a. The first owes him 500 pieces of silver (7:40–41a).
b. The second owes him 50 pieces of silver (7:41b).
c. The one with the larger debt will be the most grateful (7:42–43).
2. The conclusions from the parable (7:42–49): The Pharisee demonstrates little respect and affection for Jesus, thus he will receive little forgiveness.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Lk 7:39–50). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Jesus forgave a harlot. Did he tell her to keep whoring around? Would your gospel tell her to keep whoring around? Jud 4

… We are all homosexuals, fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with mankind, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners etc.

You’re still wearing your dirty diapers? Is 61:10 Does your church happen to have a rainbow display outside?

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God (1 Co 6:9–11). 

…[A]ll those things that people say you have to stop doing in order to be forgiven…

You can’t stop doing. That’s why you need a Savior.

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

…[T]hey themselves are just as guilty…

Something about ‘you were washed and sanctified that you don’t get?

…[T]he core problem with Simon the Pharisee (and modern Pharisees)…

Forget the Pharisees. What about you? Did you remove your dirty diapers or are you still wearing them? Jb 29:14

…[W]asn’t that he was any less a sinner…

What about you? Do you live habitually in your stinky diapers--hanging out with all the stinky fish--and still think you’re going to heaven? Re 19:8

...Thus we have Laodicea…[T]heir lack of need from God.

For what? Mt 1:21 To rubber stamp you habitual life of sin? 1 Jn 3:9

I don't think the woman's tears in Luke 7 were "tears of repentance" ie. "turning from sin" in the modern vernacular…

The Christian has: turned (Acts 9:35), repented (Acts 8:22) and returned (1 Sam. 7:3) in conversion (Acts 15:3). 

Have you ever wept over your sin? 

The Sabbath is a picture of Christ, and in Christ we find rest from all our works...

Does that rest include your remaining your own god? No change? Same wicked works? Acts 9:1–20

Originally posted by SoCalExile View Post

...[Y]ou're not interested in actual discussion, or actually reading my responses…

Ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

…[A]nd are simply trying to troll.

Ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

[When you came to Christ, did you remain your own god?] As opposed to making men my god that I follow them?

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14). Do you remain your own god never repenting of sin? Jud 4

[“Belief is a type of work.” ~ J. Vernon McGee] I guess he didn't read Ephesians 2:8-9…

“SECTION OUTLINE TWO (EPHESIANS 2)
Paul likens the church to a temple. He reviews the what, why, and how concerning this spiritual temple of salvation.

I. WHAT WE ONCE WERE (2:1–3, 11–12)
A. Dead in sin (2:1)
B. Influenced by Satan (2:2)
C. Controlled by lust (2:3a)
D. Under God’s wrath (2:3b)
E. Pagans without God (2:11)
F. Separated from Christ (2:12a)
G. Without hope in this present world (2:12b)


II. WHAT GOD DID (2:4–6)
A. He loved us (2:4).
B. He liberated us (2:5).
C. He lifted us (2:6).


III. WHY GOD DID IT (2:7): He did it so that he might display us as trophies of his grace.
IV. HOW GOD DID IT (2:8–9, 13)
A. Through his special favor (2:8a)
B. Through faith (2:8b–9)
C. Through blood (2:13)
V. WHAT WE ARE NOW (2:10, 14–22)
A. We are the products of grace (2:10).
1. The task (2:10a): We have been created in Christ to do good works!
2. The time (2:10b): This was planned before the foundation of the world.
B. We are the partners of Israel (2:14–18).
1. The reconciler (2:14): Christ has destroyed the barrier separating Jews from Gentiles.
2. The results (2:15–18): He has joined into one body, a new person, both Jews and Gentiles.
C. We are the people of God (2:19).
D. We are the pillars of the temple (2:20–22).
1. The foundation (2:20a): It is the apostles and prophets.
2. The cornerstone (2:20b–22): It is Jesus Christ himself.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Eph 2). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

…[W]e are saved by grace through belief (faith)…

Saved people naturally produce good works. Their works become: honorable, sanctified and useful (2 Tim. 2:21). The works of the unregenerate are wicked (Col. 1:21).

…[T]hat isn't of ourselves.

The good works of a Christian are of God (Ro 8:14).

…[O]nly by God's grace are we saved, which we didn't work for…

"Paul spoke about the root of faith (Eph 2:8). James spoke about the fruit of faith (Jm 2:17-18)." ~ Adrian Rogers

[Does your gospel exclude sanctification?] …[S]anctification (being set apart) is through the blood of Christ...

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14).

Let's take traffic laws, no one ever follows all of them.

See how that excuse works out for you at the Great White Throne. Throw in ‘I’m only human’ too.

...[Y]ou really should read the contexts of the verses you are citing…

Ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

[Did you change your mind about your depravity and chart a new course?] Funny. Because it's the religious people that reject grace that tell me I'm a heretic and going to hell.

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14).

Once the Law is removed, you simply don't care for some things.

We’re supposed to believe that you are saved and have no desire to sin? Based on what? Your good looks? Mt 7:20 

The Christian isn't sinless. He sins less (1 Jn 3:9).

But that shouldn't be the basis of your salvation, or your salvation is in yourself…

Every man has the chance to trust and obey—or not (Heb. 11:24–27, Acts 26:19–23).

Context again what does 1 John 3:9 say?

“SECTION OUTLINE THREE (1 JOHN 3)
John writes about salvation.
I. THE PART PLAYED BY THE TRINITY IN BRINGING ABOUT OUR SALVATION (3:1–5, 8, 24b)
A. The role of the Father (3:1–3)
1. He bestows his love upon us (3:1a).
2. He calls us his own children (3:1b–2a).
3. He will someday make us like Jesus (3:2b–3).
B. The role of the Son (3:4–5, 8)
1. He died for our sins (3:4–5).
2. He destroyed the works of the Devil (3:8).
C. The role of the Spirit (3:24b): He now indwells us.
II. THE PART PLAYED BY THE BELIEVER IN WORKING OUT OUR SALVATION (3:6–7, 9–24a)
A. The confirmation (3:6–7, 9–10)
1. Question (3:6a, 7, 9): How can we know we are truly saved?
2. Answer (3:6b, 8, 10): The one who lives in continuous sin is not of God.
B. The compassion (3:11–18)
1. The exhortation to love (3:11–15): Unlike Cain, who killed his brother, we are to love our spiritual brothers and sisters.
2. The extent of our love (3:16–18): If need be, we should be willing to lay down our life for others.
C. The confidence (3:19–24a): This obedience will give us great assurance as we approach God.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (1 Jn 3). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

So do you still sin according to the Law? Be honest.

Of course we still sin. When we do, God is faithful and just to forgive us (1 Jn 1:9). That’s called a relationship. His blood keeps cleansing us of sin (1 John 1:7).

[Do you believe if one: signs a card, walks down and isle, has a few liver shivers—that he’s saved? Heb 10:26] You're trying to ridicule…

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14).

…I never said you look to your own experience for assurance.

If one has no spiritual growth, why would he have assurance of salvation (2 Pet. 1:5–11).

[Are you offended by fruit inspectors? Mt 7:20] Again, Jesus is talking about what teachers teach.

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14). Are you offended when Christians judge your behavior? Pr 31:9

[Does that verse [Romans 11:29] give men a license to sin? Jud 4] That verse doesn't mean what you think it means.

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14). If one’s life has not changed, why should he have assurance of salvation? 2 Cor. 5:17; 1 John 3:14–22

These are people that say that "grace is a license to sin" and by doing so, deny Christ's finished and sufficient work on the Cross.

Christians believe that men are saved by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9). 

All a dead person can do is dead works. ~ Adrian Rogers Ps 115:1

You've missed my point about the use of the word "repentance" in Romans 11:29…

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

…[T]he gifts and calling of God is irrevocable/without repentance, meaning that God won't change His mind on it…

Guess you’ll need Heb 10:26 to go away.

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Heb 10:26–31). 

…[T]he false view in Galatians was that adherence to the Old Covenant Laws…

God's law is perpetual and ongoing (Mt 5:18). When did God nail do not murder or do not commit adultery to the cross? Mal 4:4-6, Mt 24:14

…[Y]ou'd know that if you read my posts.

Ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

...[W]e are credited Christ's righteousness as a free gift by faith.

For what? Eph 2:10 You are free to live habitually in sin? Jn 8:34 or to obey? Jn 8:36

…God no longer sees our sins.

He sees what you’re doing (Am 9:8, 1 Pe 3:12).

…[S]ince all men lie…

Proof please (Eph 4:14). Our lives as Christians are not dominated by lies (1 Jn 3:9)—your father--not ours (John 8:44).

...He has made us perfect in the eyes of God.

If you have indeed been made declared positionally righteous by his blood (1 Cor. 1:30). You reject sanctification and subsequent good works; so, I’m guessing that that is not the case. 

I was born on a Tuesday—but not last Tuesday.

It is not about what you do, it is about what He has done.

For what purpose? 2 Cor. 9:10

…[Y]ou're actually saying that teaching grace gives people a license to sin...

I’m saying that you have turned grace into lasciviousness (Jud 4) and will therefore burn eternally (Rom. 2:8, 9).

…[Y]ou don't need a license, you do it anyway.

Proof please (Eph 4:14). A Christian does not live habitually in sin (1 Jn 3:9). Have you ever met a Christian? 1 Jn 3:14

What does it mean to have your sins covered?

Men are: justified, sanctified and one day glorified. Since you reject the reality Christian growth, I’m guessing that you are not clothed in righteousness (Ps 132:9). 

[We agree that the bad fish will not enter heaven which would make heaven hell?] God forbid those sinners have forgiveness.

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14). 

“G. The sorting of fish (13:47–50)
1. The information in this parable (13:47–48): Upon catching a net filled with fish, the fishermen sort out the good from the bad.
2. The interpretation of this parable (13:49–50): At the end of the world, the angels will likewise separate the righteous from the wicked.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Mt 13:46–50). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

When we place our faith (trust) in Christ and His work, we are given a new birth by the Spirit (born again)…

We’ll know if that’s true by your works (Mt 7:20).

..[Y]ou're throwing accusations…

We expose (Eph 5:11) false teachers (2 Pe 2:1).

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23). 

SoCalExile View Post

[Ad hominem (Eph 4:14)] You don't care when you throw them.

Pr 26:5

I'm just calling it as I see it.

That’s the problem (Deut. 28:28, 29).

…You aren't actually addressing my specific point, you're largely just taking one statement of mine, throwing out a strawman argument, and citing a reference to a verse that doesn't actually have anything to do with your point nor does it actually refute mine, but is just adding conjecture because they are so grossly out of context - as if the amount of references is what matters and not what they actually say.

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

[Have you remained your own god?] Again, you obviously didn't read my response…

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14).

[Good works are of God (Ro 8:14)] If saved people automatically did good works, then why did the Apostles waste expensive ink and parchment telling saved Christians to do good works?

Your good works--or lack thereof--prove who you are (Mt 7:20). Fruits match roots.

[“Paul spoke about the root of faith (Eph 2:8). James spoke about the fruit of faith (Jm 2:17-18)." ~ Adrian Rogers] And Aaron Rodgers would be wrong.

Rogers was a fine servant of the Lord (Eph 4:14).

So you've tacitly admitted that you sin…

Of course I sin. If I claimed to have no sin, then I’d be a deceiver and a liar like yourself (1 Jn 1:8).

…[Y]ou've cited this verse out of context…

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

[If one has no spiritual growth, why would he have assurance of salvation (2 Pet. 1:5–11).] Simple - because God said so.

Christians mature in the faith. You’re stillborn and think you’re going to heaven? Good luck with that. 1 Cor. 3:1–3

[Christians believe that men are saved by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9).] But you're telling me they must have works…

A Christian will have good works. If your works are wicked, it’s because you’re not a Christian. This is what we call in the Greek—a no brainer (Mt 7:20).

And you're still telling me that grace = licentiousness…

I’m telling you that you’re that guy that Jude is speaking about. Should anyone believe you, they’ll become that guy that Jude is speaking about, die and go to hell (Jud 4).

…by doing so [you] are denying that Christ's payment on the cross for all sin isn't sufficient…

Christ’s death on the cross is all-sufficient. 

When one has appropriated this free gift of life (Eph 2:8-9), he produces good works (Eph 2:10)—he grows in the faith (1 Pet. 2:2). 

“You do not need a faith plus works. You need a faith that works." ~ Jim Andrews

[Heb 10:26–31] So you're arguing against the Bible itself…

Take it up with the writer to the Hebrews.

[You are free to live habitually in sin?] Read carefully…

It’s a yes or no question (Eph 4:14).

[He sees what you’re doing (Am 9:8, 1 Pe 3:12).] Bema Seat

If indeed you are going to the Bema Seat. If you’re going the Great White Throne—different plan.

…[S]anctification is a one-time event…

Justification is a one-time event. Sanctification is ongoing. No sanctification? That’s because you are a false convert (Ex. 9:27–35).

…[G]ood works are not an accurate means of fruit inspection…

I’ll believe you or I’ll believe Jesus (Mt 7:20). I’m going with Jesus. When you tell me that you have peace, I won’t believe that one either (Is 48:22), FYI.

 [Saved for what purpose? 2 Cor. 9:10] Context. context. context…

Marcia, Marcia, Marcia. 

 [I’m saying that you have turned grace into lasciviousness (Jud 4)…] And I'm saying that you are…

Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

Do you read the verses you are citing?

Ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

You should put down the commentary and actually read God's word.

Ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

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[You're referencing something regarding the requirement by God for Israel to follow the Law per their agreement to do so - which they never did…]

Did you? Ro 5:8

Good bumper-sticker slogan…

You’re projecting again (Eph 4:14).

…[I]f saved people automatically did good works…

Christians do good work.

See:

What Christianity Has Done for the World: Positive Impact of Christianity

[1 Jn 3:9] …[I]t does say that those who are God's are sinless.

The Christian isn't sinless. He sins less (1 Jn 3:9). In other words his live is not dominated by sin. He will not live habitually in sin.

[Corinthians] …[T]hey were carnal in thinking…

And not all saved which is why Paul time and time again throw in his caveats ‘if indeed’. Since you sin habitually, you’ll want to examine yourself to see if you’re in the faith (2 Co 13:5). The rest of us already know the answer to that question (2 Pe 2:1).

I am endorsing the grace...

You are endorsing greasy grace (2 Pe 2:1).

….[T]he Law wasn't a path to life…

Nor your friend. It was intended to show you who you are. You were supposed to do something about that. If you remain cozy in a habitual life of sin, you’re in for a rude awakening (Mt 7:23).

Many Christians are forever locked in a never-ending attempt to be worthy of salvation…

We’ve been justified. Why would we worry about being justified again? J. Vernon McGee said that the only type of life God gives is eternal life to his own (Jn 17:2). 

…[W]hy were Adam and Eve able to walk around Eden naked and yet without sin…

They could have been potheads. They had one command—don’t eat the apple (Ge 2:17).

The rules you talk about only increase sin (Romans 5:20)

We have two commands: love God, love our neighbor (Mt 22:37-39). You remain under the law (Jn 3:36, 1 Ti 1:9).

…[B]y telling me that grace leads to sin…

Grace leads to life (1 Pet. 3:7). Avail yourself of it (Jud 4).

Churchianity says that if you violate the rules…

His commands are not burdensome (1 Jn 5:2-4). 

…[Y]ou can't say that faith must work if the Bible says that faith doesn't have to work.

Faith does work. It’s a valuable commodity (Heb 11:1).

…[D]efine "sin" for me in your own words.

That which is opposed to good.

…[W]hat happened to that Hebrew that didn't rest on the Sabbath?

Recommended reading:

The Plot (an overview of the Bible) by Bob Enyart 

…[T]he letter to the Romans is actually to Jewish believers in Rome…

Strawman Eph 4:14

“Not all of the bible is written to you; but, all of the bible is written for you.” ~ J. Vernon McGee

Men are saved by grace though faith (Eph 2:8-9).  Doesn’t mean you get to abuse his grace (Ps 19:13, Jud 4) and think you’ll be welcomed into heaven one day (Re 21:27).  If you think that’s a good plan—live that way (Josh 24:15).  See how it works out for ya (Re 21:8).

…[M]y point still stands.

Live it. I’m happy to introduce you to my Lord (Lk 19:27).  

…[W]hat works a saved man can do that an unsaved man can't do?

1 Co 1:18

Paul admits to practicing sin…

And he hated it (Ro 7:15).  Your problem is— you don’t hate it.

Paul is actually addressing an accusation by people that he is not a true Apostle…

Strawman Eph 4:14

Paul’s conversion was genuine (Acts 9:1–20).  Yours was not.  I know that because truth does not live in you (Rom. 8:9–11).  You are what they call in hockey— all say, no play.

This isn't at all about finding your assurance…

Don’t worry about my finding my assurance.  False teachers are so concerned with assuring false converts that they’re going to heaven.  I’m guessing you’ll be beaten with more stripes than the ones you deceive (Lk 12:47).  We were told you’d be here right about now (2 Tim. 4:3, 4)—and you are.

…[B]y definition, grace excludes works…

Ad infinitum Eph 4:14

If a law could make someone righteous…

Strawman Eph 4:14

…[Y]ou're telling me that I must see evidence…

I must see evidence (Mt 7:20). 

…[N]ow you must define "good"…

God (Ex. 34:6, Mk 10:18).  

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…[Y]ou can't mix works with grace…

You haven’t (Mt 7:20).

You believe workers of evil are going to heaven (Jud 4). I do not.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

…[T]hose who call grace, which again exudes works…

You have no good works (Mt 7:20).  What’s your point? You have no good works, oppose good works, holiness, obedience, etc.--approach the Great White Throne with this argument and see how it works out for ya (2 Thess. 1:6–10). 

…Salvation is only by grace…

Strawman Eph 4:14

God saves as a free gift that no one can boast about…

Strawman Eph 4:14

That's what "faith" is: assurance…

You have assurance that evil men will go to heaven. I do not (Matt. 13:36–43).

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager 

…[Y]ou think you must earn or prove grace by your works.

Take it up with James (Jas 2:18).

You don't decide who is saved.

Strawman Eph 4:14...  

Popular Megachurch Pastor Says 10 Commandments No Longer Apply To Christians. He’s Wrong.

Reply to Henderson

[All sins are the same]

False (2 Pe 2:1).

“Jesus answered, "…He who delivered me to you has greater sin."” Jn 19:11.

And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few (Lk 12:47–48).

Antinomianism is a false teaching (2 Pe 2:1). Grace is not a license to sin (Jud 4).

Reply to Ramesh

Grace says, look at the Lord Jesus Christ

 ...and repent (Acts 2:37, 38).

Acts 2:37, 38

Reply to J Niebs 

God is truth.  I think we are shown throughout the Bible where we fall short. We all do.

Not the issue.  The issue is:  does the pastor hear preach:  repentance, holiness, sanctification after justification, knowing a tree by his fruit, etc.?

I see a whole lot of click bait of ‘rapture, rapture’ in each title; but, I don’t hear the preacher encouraging men to turn from sin and toward Christ.  Instead, he gives a lot of assurance to people who are going to hell.  Will he be there on the day that they give an account to God? 

Believe him or believe the Bible.

Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge (Heb 13:4).  

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life (Ga 6:7–8). 

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Co 6:9–10).

…This flesh--it'll always be there.

Do you reject sanctification?  Christians are being sanctified—made into Christ’s likeness daily (2 Co 3:18).  They should begin to look something like the Father.  That was the whole point of Jesus dying on a cross for your sin (Mt 1:21)—so that you could be victorious (Ro 8:14).  Not for you now to make light of your sin and to continue on in it (Jud 4).  Jesus did not come because he had nothing better to do.  Trample on his blood—continue on as if his sacrifice means little—see how that works out for ya (Heb 10:29).

…Yes.  I'm still sinning.

You’ve passed from death to life (1 Jn 3:14)—or, you haven’t.  If you’re still justifying your sin, you haven’t (1 Jn 3:9).  This isn’t rocket science (Mt 7:16). 

…He is the Father to the fatherless.

That’s right.  He picks up after the messes that evil men leave behind (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).  We as his children made in his image—set aside for his work do the same.  We don’t hold your hand on the way to hell. 

“We give out the word.  What men do with it is their business.” ~ J. Vernon McGee

It's about our having faith in Him.

Tell David that.  He repented. Heb 11:6

Reply to Lisa Farris

[Henderson question and Christ's lordship] Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

No one is discussing salvation.  We are discussing sanctification.  Men are:  justified, sanctified and one day glorified.  Henderson here seems to assume that anyone is saved—even if they live like an animal.  I’m guessing he’s a Calvinist (2 Pe 2:1), too—a man chosen has no choice but to be saved. 

Reply to Jennifer Britt

If you are truly saved you won't want to sin…

Then the question should not be a difficult one for Henderson to answer.

He discusses God is love.  He does not discuss God is wrath.

“If you take part of the truth, and try to make that part of the truth, all of the truth, then that part of the truth becomes an untruth.” ~ Adrian Rogers

Reply to Isaiah

We do reject lordship…

You speak for Henderson’s channel?  You can have a come in savior and a stay out Lord? Jud 4

Reply to Jennifer Britt

…[Y]ou are not ready for the meat.

Proof please (Eph 4:14).

Do you reject:  sanctification, holiness, Lordship?  Is your gospel a license to sin?  2 Pe 2:1, Jud 4

Think if the first thing you learned of God is that He was a God of wrath…

Does God have wrath stored up for those who do not repent? Rom. 2:5–8 

…[W]ould you want to know that God?

The judge of the whole earth will do right (Ge 18:25).  That includes sending most people to hell (Mt 7:14).  You hide this fact.  I do not.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

… His wrath is established in His love for His whole creation.

If he’s not just, then he’s not good.   

Reply to Jennifer Britt

Serpent Dove maybe I did not come across clear when I said would you want to know that God, I meant in the beginning of getting to know God, that would be a turn off…

There is bad news (you’re a sinner in need of a Savior) and there is good news (Jesus saves).  We aren’t here to turn people on.    That is called easy believeism (Henderson teaches [2 Pe 2:1]).

God is love and God is wrath. 

"Sometimes we must comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable." ~ David Jeremiah

…His wrath comes from His love…

Men who fail to repent remain under God’s wrath.  You preach and teach cheap grace (2 Pe 2:1).  I do not.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

…[M]y point was for new believers that is a bit much…

When did you plan to tell them the truth?  You hold their hand to hell.  I do not.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager

…[Y]ou have to mature before you can understand that…

A child can understand that he is a sinner in need of a Savior.  You don’t have to have a PhD in sin to come to Christ.

In your brothels, you rarely get to the truth (2 Pe 2:1).  Have you noticed that no one goes to them anymore?

Most people will not be drawn to a God of wrath but a God of love…

Most people won’t be drawn at all.  Most people are going to hell (Mt 7:14).

…[T]hen when they are saved…

Except that that rarely happens (Mt 7:14).  Henderson believes that any ol’ heathen is saved and he provides them assurances that they are indeed saved because they:  signed a card, walked down an aisle, got baptized, etc. 

This isn’t rocket science.  If you still live like an animal, you’re not saved (1 Jn 3:9).  Mental ascension won’t save you (Jas 2:19).  Jesus saves.

Hederson doesn’t even understand the significance of James 2:19.  Demons understand the Bible better than he does.  They aren’t going to hell because they don’t get it.  They are going to hell because they are not given the opportunity to repent as men are.  Bummer deal for them.  Great for us—except that so-called pastor Henderson doesn’t preach repentance.  Jesus preached it (Mt 4:17).  He should too--or he should go out and get an honest job.     

…[T]hey will learn at whatever pace they are ready…

Most will not (Mt 7:14).  Will you die with blood on your hands?

    E.      The role (3:16–21): Ezekiel assumes the role of a spiritual watchman by delivering a twofold warning:

      1.      To the godless (3:16–19): Cease your wicked ways, or die!

      2.      To the godly (3:20–21): Continue your good ways, or die! Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Eze 3:12–21). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

...[W]e have to reach out to all, in love.

Love tells the truth.

…[B]abes in Christ start out on the milk…

If they start out at all.  To start out they need to know the truth.  God is love and God is wrath. 

SECTION OUTLINE TWO (ROMANS 2)

Paul describes God’s dealings with three kinds of people. Each is charged with high treason against God. 

  I.      THE MORAL PERSON AND GOD (2:1–11)

    A.      The plea rendered (2:1a): The moral person says, “I should be acquitted on grounds that I am not as bad as some pagans are.”

    B.      The plea refuted (2:1b–11)

      1.      The reason for this (2:1b–4): God says, “You do the same basic things, only in a more refined way!”

      2.      The results of this (2:5–11)

         a.      To be the object of God’s terrible wrath (2:5–8)

         b.      To experience sorrow and suffering (2:9–11) 

  II.      THE PAGAN PERSON AND GOD (2:12–16)

    A.      The plea rendered (2:12–13): The pagan person says, “I should be acquitted on the grounds of ignorance!”

    B.      The plea refuted (2:14–16): God says, “You have the twin witnesses of conscience and nature (see also 1:19–20). Therefore, you will be judged by these and not by the written law.”

  III.      THE RELIGIOUS PERSON AND GOD (2:17–29)

    A.      The plea rendered (2:17–20): The religious man says, “I should be acquitted on the grounds that I know the law of God and teach courses in religion!”

    B.      The plea refuted (2:21–29): God says, “You don’t practice what you preach!”

      1.      The marks of religious Jews (2:21–24): Because of their hypocrisy, they dishonor God’s holy name among the Gentiles.

      2.      The marks of redeemed Jews (2:25–29): Their hearts are right with God. Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Ro 2). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Is repentance a work? Acts 2:37, 38

Reply to Matt

No.

Conviction of sin leads to repentance (Acts 2:37, 38).  Henderson is an antinomian (2 Pe 2:1). 

Reply to Kinding My Way

It depends on if it's godly sorrow or worldly sorrow. 2 Corinthians 7:10-11 talks about this.

Worldly sorrow leads to crocodile tears with no real change in one’s life.  Godly sorry leads to repentance.

Not brain surgery.  We know men by their fruits (Mt 7:20).  Do you live like a wicked pig?  You’re a fraud (Jud 4).

“…After we're saved Holy Spirit convicts the believer of righteousness. We begin to grow in the knowledge of who we are in Christ.”

We are sanctified (Heb. 9:14).  Hederson talks about justification.  He talks about glorification.  He will not talk about sanctification (2 Co 7:1,1 Jn 3:3).

God is holy (Ps. 16:10, Is. 11:4, 5). 

Reply to Rhonda Pride

Repentance is a choice.

Live or die.  Your choice (Josh 24:15).

“We give out the word of God.  What men do with it is their business.” ~ J. Vernon McGee

Choosing to be obedient to God's word. Jesus teaching.

If you are obedient, it’s a good indication that you are his (1 Jn 3:9).   

The work that has been done by Jesus is His perfect sacrifice for our sins.

When we pass from death to life (1 Jn 3:14), we are declared positionally righteous (2 Cor. 5:20, 21).  Do you love your brother in the Lord? 1 Jn 3:14.  If you do, you are likely his.  If you do not, you’re a fraud (1 Jn 4:20).

Reply to Kinding My Way

The work for our salvation was completed at the cross of Christ.  

For you to be saved, you will have to appropriate that gift.  We do not forgive men prior to their repentance (Lk 17:3) and God does not forgive men prior to their repentance (Lk 13:5).  Learn who God is. 

So-called pastor Henderson will talk about love, love, love.  He will not talk about God’s wrath or God’s holiness.  You are created being responsible to him (Ro 1). 

We are now complete in Him. 

We is we?  I’ve repented.  Have you?  I will know who you are by your life (Mt 7:20).  If you walk in him, you’re his (Ro 8:14).  If you do not, you belong to Satan (Jn 8:44).  

…[A]fter we are saved the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of righteousness. 

You are a sinner or your are a saint.  The Bible is very black and white book.  You cannot be kinda sorta pregnant and you cannot be kinda sorta a Christian.  You’ve passed from death or you have not (1 Jn 3:14).  Do you love your Christian brethren? 1 Jn 3:14. 

Reply to Love Rules

…[W]e don't live in the Age of Law anymore.

The law is for the lawless (1 Ti 1:9).  If you are a Christian (means Christlike), then you keep his commandments.  If you are not keeping his commandments, then you are not a Christian--you are a liar and the truth is not in you (1 Jn 2:4).     

"Like father like son." ~ Adrian Rogers Jn 8:44

Reply to Henderson

Too bad you’re an antinomian (2 Pe 2:1). 

"Too bad." ~ Seth Brundle, The Fly 

Farag is not (Eph 4:14).  He is a fine servant of the Lord.     

Reply to Scott Evans

Serpent Dove Romans 3:23 doesn't say anything about sinning less…

Romans 3:21–22 discusses God’s righteousness applied to you though faith.  If you’re the real deal, then you will purify yourself (1 Jn 3:3).  You will clean yourself up (2 Co 7:1).  Henderson likes to give assurance to men who live like pigs that they are going to heaven.  He’s wrong (2 Pe 2:1).  No filthy thing will enter heaven (Re 21:27). 

The Lord is not coming for a whore.  The Lord is coming for a pure bride (Eph 5:27).

Ask Henderson to discuss:  God’s holiness, sanctification or Christ’s lordship in the life of a believer.  You’ll hear crickets; but you will not hear the truth.   

…[N]or does it say the sinner changes…

"If your religion has not changed your life, you'd better change your religion." ~ Adrian Rogers   

You might think you sin less…

Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God (1 Jn 3:9).  

…[H]is Word says you do.

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on (Php 3:12).  

I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified (1 Co 9:27).  

…[A]ll have sinned, and continually fall short of the Glory of God.

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect (Mt 5:48).  

Reply to JR Christlove

Serpent Dove I have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ. Praise the Lord!

Do you live to please your advocate or do you stab him in the back daily? Lk 6:46, Ro 8:14

"If you blow off God, He'll blow you off, too." ~ Doug Giles Jer 6:30, Mt 10:33  Jn 12:48, He 6:8, 12:17 

You’re a bit strange to your brothers. Work on love.  

Eph 4:14

Love tells the truth (Ga 4:16).  

Reply to Henderson

51 years later here I am.

What about sanctification?  Jud 4

“If you’re not living a sanctified, set apart life you can’t teach others to live a sanctified, set apart life.” ~ Adrian Rogers Titus 2:12, He 10:14, 1 Pe 1:15  

Reply to Henderson

You’ll believe the apostle Paul or you’ll believe Henderson (Eph 4:14).

Reply to Henderson

 

Christ died for all men (Jn 3:16).  You must appropriate that gift to live (Acts 2:38).    

Reply to Henderson

Has Henderson ever been right about the rapture date?  Has Scarbrough?  Has serial adulterer Sandy S4C?  They provide click bait titles and hope porn for the day; but, they do not teach the truth (Jud 4). 

Less superstition (Ac 17:22).  More study (2 Ti 2:15).

Do you look more like Jesus each day?  2 Co 3:18.  When do you remove a speck out of your eye?  Immediately? When you feel like it?  Acts 2:37, 38.  Never? Lk 6:46, Jud 4

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God (1 Jn 4:1). 

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God (Ro 8:14).    

 

Henderson is lying to you (2 Pe 2:1).      

Henceforth we should not serve sin (Ro 6:6).

Reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.  Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.  Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.  For sin shall not have dominion over you (Ro 6:11–14).   

 

You’ll do it your way or you’ll do it God’s way.

That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.  For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:  Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:  Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.  For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit (1 Pe 4:2–6).  

Reply to GigiB MC

Serpent Dove I would just suggest you keep studying!...Sadly this would be an easy solution with some time spent in prayer and study.

Ad hominem (Eph 4:14).

No one is saying you just keep sinning.  That’s insanity.

Jesus taught repentance (Mt 4:17).  Henderson does not (2 Pe 2:1).  Jesus did not come to die for man’s sins because he had nothing better to do:  He will save His people from their sins (Mt 1:21, BSB).

I encourage you to do this so that you are not judged by your works.

Strawman (Eph 4:14). 

Men are:  justified, sanctified and will one day be glorified.  Henderson will discuss two of the three facts (2 Pe 2:1).  

If you insist on making God Judge you based on your works…

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

"You do not need a faith plus works.  You need a faith that works." ~ Jim Andrews

…[H]e will and you will never be able to do enough to pay off your debt.

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

"He paid a debt he did not owe because I had a debt I could not pay." ~ Adrian Rogers 1 Pet. 1:18, 19

Do you crucify him daily for his efforts? Lk 23:21

Reply to Scott Evans

Is your screen name a cover? Do you exist?

I’ve been debating online and writing for Christian sites since 2008. 

Do you feel more like you do now then before you came?

Do you mean to so-called pastor Tim’s channel?  I was there briefly to warn you (Eze 33:1–5, 7, 9, 2 Pe 2:1).  I’ve since unsubscribed.  Didn’t he just say that one in Christ now go out and murder?

You believe he is a Christian.  I believe he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing (Mt 7:15). 

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager    

Think about that while you wait in line at the DMV with all the other aliens who rejected 1st Corinthians 1:30 in favor of showing themselves, in all their wretchedness, and their so-called works.

Strawman (Eph 4:14).

  III.      THE PROBLEMS ADDRESSED BY PAUL (1:10–31): Paul discusses two of the numerous problems confronting the Corinthian church.

    A.      They are elevating human leaders (1:10–17).

      1.      The individuals (1:10–12): Some are fans of Paul; some, of Apollos; and others, of Simon Peter.

      2.      The issue (1:14–16): Apparently the argument consists mainly of who baptized them.

      3.      The insanity (1:13, 17): Paul rebukes them, hitting his own “fan club” the hardest.

         a.      “Was I, Paul, crucified for you?” (1:13a).

         b.      “Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul?” (1:13b).

         c.      “Christ didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News” (1:17).

    B.      They are exalting human wisdom (1:18–31): Paul contrasts and compares the egocentric wisdom of people with the eternal wisdom of God.

      1.      The response to God’s wisdom (1:18, 22–23)

         a.      In regard to unbelieving Jews and Gentiles (1:18, 22–23)

           (1)      To the Jews who demand supernatural signs, it becomes a stumbling block (1:18a, 22a, 23a).

           (2)      To the Gentiles who depend upon vain philosophy, it becomes foolishness (1:18b, 22b, 23b).

         b.      In regard to believing Jews and Gentiles (1:18c, 24–25): It represents both the power and wisdom of God.

      2.      The results of God’s wisdom (1:19–21)

         a.      It is used to destroy worldly wisdom (1:19–20).

         b.      It is used to deliver repenting sinners (1:21).

      3.      The reason for God’s wisdom (1:26–31): Why did God choose the Cross to save people?

         a.      Paul’s overview (1:27–31): God delights in using foolish, weak, lowly, and despised things to nullify the wise, strong, exalted, and respected things.

         b.      Paul’s observation (1:26): He tactfully reminds the arrogant Corinthians of their own lack of worldly influence and academic wisdom! Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (1 Co 1:8–26). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Can't say you weren't warned. Show yourself now, coward, because real transparency is coming. You go further than reject, you openly chide and mock those who simply trust in Christ.

If you believe Henderson--that grace is a license to sin (Jud 4)—that something is wrong with God’s law (Rom. 2:14, 15, 3:27), expect to hear:  “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” 1 Jn 2:4, Mt 7:23. 

If you continue to break God’s law, I know a fine police officer who will come to take you away.

See:

Theology Thursday: The Bible's Criminal Code by Bob Enyart  

Have fun explaining because light is going to bring everything into sharp focus. There'll be no 'hiding' behind a screen name then.

I’m about the easiest person to track down on the web if needed.  Try harder (Eph 4:14).

Reckon yourselves dead to sin (Ro 6:1).

“The chief danger that confronts the coming century will be religion without the Holy Ghost, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration, politics without God, heaven without hell.” ― William Booth

Reply to Smith

Tim Henderson is an antinomian (2 Pe 2:1).   

See:

The Verse that Most Christians Hate Mikayla Kooper

Reply to Goose 777

[Hyper grace]

Tim Henderson (2 Pe 2:1) has claimed this very thing using double jeopardy as an example.  He said that if he were found not guilty of murder, he could then go out again and murder the same man and not be found guilty again.  Ro 6:1-2  

Reply to Kiley Gordon Gank

[Tim Henderson] His church is 15 min from my house.  I never knew of him till I saw him on U-tube.I am so thankful he's close because he is a breath of fresh air…

For those with itching ears.  Ok on a dog—not on a human.  2 Ti 4:3 

Part 1: 200 Verses Exposing 3 False Gospels, The Lie of Once Saved Always Saved Exposed Mikayla Kooper 

Reply to Kooper  

Tim Henderson and Barry Scarbrough reject Lordship also (2 Pe 2:1). 

Reply to Grace Giver

Read John 6:40-47 and Romans 4 rather than the writings and opinions of men.

If you’d to be elect, be elect. Grace isn’t license to sin (Jud 4).

I never said grace was a license to sin.

You don’t have to.  If you are not interested in giving up your sin—in making Jesus Lord of your life (Jud 4), then you have not passed from death to life (1 Jn 3:14).

Grace is a gift.  What will you do with it?

The saved will face consequences in the flesh for sin…

Examine yourself.  See if you’re in the faith (2 Co 13:5).

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

Passing from death unto life is through simple faith in the finished work. 

The demons believe and they shudder (Jas 2:19).  Mental ascension to the facts of the gospel of Jesus Christ isn’t going to get you saved.  Placing your trust in Christ saves. 

Pastor Tim from Avalon church said: 

Seems there was a man who was thrilling audiences with his performances on a tightrope stretched across a deep canyon. People were coming from miles around to see this man. His presentation was a series of questions? “Do you believe I can walk across this rope?” “Yes,” the crowd would cheer; and so he would. “Do you believe I can traverse this rope in a blindfold?” Again, the crowd would yell a loud, “Yes!” And so he would. “Do you believe I can push a wheelbarrow across the canyon blindfolded?” “Yes, yes!” the crowd declared; and so he did. Finally, at the climax of his act he asked, “Do you believe I can cross the rope blindfolded, pushing a wheelbarrow with a person in it?” The assembled crowd responded in almost one voice, “Oh, yes, we think you can do it!” With blindfold in place and wheelbarrow in hand, the man quietly said, “Then someone get in.

Until you put your life in Jesus’ hands, you live in theory not practice.   

Faith as simple as a child.

You don’t sound like a child to me.  You sound like someone unwilling to turn from sin and toward Christ (Lk 9:62, Ac 2:37, 38).

…[T]hrowing away the damnable heresy of adding to it in some way…

Is repentance a work?  Mt 4:17 

Salvation is a gift for what Jesus did for you…

Jesus died for all men (2 Pe 3:8-10).  Doesn’t mean they’re all getting saved.

Appropriate the gift.  He offers you his righteousness (2 Cor. 5:20, 21).  The rest of us will know that your conversion was authentic (Ac 9:1–20, 15:3) by your fruits (Mt 7:20).  

Reply to GOOSE 777

[Rebuke of Scarbrough]

Scarbrough claims that one should be “careful” about sanctification (growing in holiness).  You’ll believe him or you’ll believe the Lord Jesus who said, “Sanctify them through thy truth” (Jn 17:17).  

The apostle Paul said that we are called to holiness (1 Thess. 4:7) and possessed by it (1 Cor. 3:16, 17).  I don’t know what he’s been doing.  If he still lives a life of sin, then the devil is his Father (Jn 8:44).

He spends most of his time providing assurance to false converts (2 Pe 2:1).

 

New Testament  Commands 

Reply to Goose 777

Tim Henderson quote:  “Faith plus nothing equals salvation and eternal security…”  

Faith plus nothing equals justification (Eph 2:8-9).  Justification is not mixed with works (Acts 15:1–29; Gal. 2:16).  If one’s conversation was genuine (Acts 9:1–20), he repents (Acts 26:20).  He is a new creature (2 Cor. 5:17)--transformed (1 Thess. 1:9, 10).

[Revelation] “He [God] told believers to repent.”

Right.  Many believer that they are Christians; but, they are not.   

Paul did not assume that only Christians were in his audience.  He said,  “You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you…” Ro 8:9.  

People like Henderson (2 Pe 2:1) provide comfort to false converts.    

 

Understand:  Legalism, liberalism and license.

See:

The Strange Mystery of the Sneaky Housewife Adrian Rogers    

 

Enyart, the antinomian (2 Pe 2:1)--playing fast and loose  with the words of Paul. 

“If you think works end when you’re saved, you’re just wrong my friend; and, there’s something wrong if you don’t work—that’s all James is talking about. He’s talking about the works of faith not works of law—works of faith. “  ~ J. Vernon McGee

See:

When Paul Changed His Bookkeeping System  J. Vernon McGee 

Reply to 7djengo7 

"He'll be your savior or he'll be your judge." ~ Adrian Rogers

“You and I are living in a universe where there is a God, a loving God, a God whose heart goes out in love and yearning over you. But I want to say this to you: if you turn your back on Him He will judge you even though He still loves you. He is the righteous God of this universe.” ― J. Vernon McGee, Jeremiah and Lamentations

Christ is the mind. We are the body. The foot doesn’t run off into another direction.

...[R]ead 1 Cor 2:16 where the verb have is in the present tense of continuously having the mind of Christ...

Do you reject perseverance? If you fall away, stab Jesus in the back, depart from us—how ever you’d like to put it—you aren’t a Christian ( 1 Jn 2:19).  Christians persevere (Re 12:11). Make believers and unbelievers do not.  

III. The Message of the Cross Was Reserved for the Heirs of This World (2:9–16).

A. Concealed from the human spirit (2:9): No mortal can ever see, hear, or even imagine what wonderful things God has prepared for those who love him.
B. Revealed by the Holy Spirit (2:10–16)
1. What he does (2:10–12): He reveals to us God’s deepest secrets.
2. How he does it (2:13–16): This is accomplished through the Scriptures. Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.


"God does not tolerate sin. He judges it." ~ John MacArthur

Understand the difference between grace  and presumption  (2 Pe 2:1).

See:

Presumption Leads to Death Deborah Ross

Are good works pointless?  Jn 15:6, Eph 2:10, Jas 2:26

"License is rejection of God's code of conduct." ~ James MacDonald Jud 4

"Obeying Jesus is not negotiable if you want to call yourself a true Christian." Lk 6:46 ~ Michael Youssef    

 

“If you think works end when you’re saved, you’re just wrong my friend; and, there’s something wrong if you don’t work—that’s all James is talking about. He’s talking about the works of faith not works of law—works of faith. “ Jas 2:18 ~ J. Vernon McGee

See:

Glad Tidings of Great Joy J. Vernon McGee

7djengo7 

Here's Psalm 101:5:  Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off...

You believe Enyart tells the truth. I believe he’s an antinomian who leads people to hell (2 Pe 2:1). 

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager 

If he has not, then you are not his (Ro 8:14). 

Your life shows who you are (Mt 7:20). 

Many believe that they are Christians; but, are not. They are  false converts. 

When you get your relationship with God in order, then you are able to love others.  

You can say it.  It’s a cult (2 Pe 2:1). 

 [thread closed]  "Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Mk 9:41, 13:7, 25:8, 40, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Jud 1:9  

“Repent and be converted. That’s your business.” ~ J. Vernon McGee Jn 6:29, Ac 8:22, 9:35, 15:3

 

 [thread closed]  "Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Mk 9:41, 13:7, 25:8, 40, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Jud 1:9  

 

 

“The sign of strength is a holy life.” 1 Thess 2:10 ~ J. Vernon McGee 

 

 [banned]  "Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Mk 9:41, 13:7, 25:8, 40, Dan 10:13, Ps 105:15, Ro 14:4, Mk 6:11, Is 45:24, 54:17, Re 12:10, 12, Jud 1:9   

 

We speak, not to please man, but to please God (1 Thess 2:4).