Does Romans 7:1-3 affirm different rules for women and men regarding adultery?
It's the same for men and women. They are equal [אָדָם Adam 'mankind'].
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...Does it matter to you if the flood actually occurred or do you take it as a legend?
The Nephilim were a problem. God needed an
untainted bloodline in Noah (Ge
6:9).
Such scriptures as these (and others) are the foundation of my doubt.
Perhaps you'd been taught headship (not biblical).
Perhaps you'd been taught God is mean because he flooded the earth. If you know
why, you won't be so upset by it.
?
And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be
also in the days of the Son of Man (Lk
17:26). There are still Nephilim (disembodied
spirits) on the earth (recall the giants with six fingers and six toes [2
Sa 21:20]). Men who take the mark of the beast
will become freaks--forever changed--no longer human (Ge
10:8,
Re 14:9-10).
See:
Mad Scientists
In which case David was guilty of adultery when he first took Abigail after Michal and for his other wives (there being several). The trouble is, God described David thus: 1 Kings 15:5 For David had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord and had not failed to keep any of the Lord’s commands all the days of his life—except in the case of Uriah the Hittite. Your view has David the adulterer praised by God for doing so.
David is praised for his faith not his adultery and
murder.
I was applying your assertion that men and women are treated the same...
The law applies to both (Rom. 7:2, 3). Both are in covenant (Matt. 19:6).
You are free
to obey.
I. SPIRITUAL PEOPLE AND THE LAW (7:1–6) A. Their relationship to the law (7:1–3, 5) 1. They are like widows freed from their husbands (7:1–3). 2. They are like dead men freed from their lusts (7:5) . B. Their relationship to the Savior (7:4, 6) 1. They have been raised by Christ (7:4a, 6): They are released from the law. 2. They are now to produce fruit through Christ (7:4b): Thus spiritual people are delivered from the law. II. NATURAL PEOPLE AND THE LAW (7:7–13): The law is used in a twofold manner. A. The illustration usage (7:7, 10): God used the law to reveal the sinfulness of the flesh. B. The condemnation usage (7:8–9, 11–13): Sin used the law to rekindle the sinfulness of the flesh. Thus natural people are doomed by the law. III. CARNAL PEOPLE AND THE LAW (7:14–26) A. Paul has learned that any attempt to keep the law leads to carnality (7:14–23). 1. The confusion (7:14–16): Paul’s frustration is twofold. a. He doesn’t do the things he wants to do (7:14–15a, 16a). b. He does the things he doesn’t want to do (7:15b, 16b). 2. The corruption (7:17–20): He realizes the total corruption of his old sinful nature. 3. The conclusion (7:21–23): He understands the daily struggle within him. a. The old nature, always attempting to do wrong (7:21a, 23) b. The new nature, always attempting to do right (7:21b–22) B. Paul has learned that no attempt to keep the law can lead to spirituality (7:24–25). 1. The agony of Paul’s problem (7:24) : “What a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin?” 2. The answer to Paul’s problem (7:25) : “Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord.” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible (Ro 7). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.
is to continue on in sin. Grace for the believer
is to repent. The former are not going in the rapture.
The latter are.
You harvest fruit not non-fruit.
Mt 3:8
Solomon died and went to hell. Would you like to be
like Solomon
or like Mike, I mean Abraham,
who did not mix with the world?
And David too?
David repented.
That's why we have Ps 32 and 51.
If you want your ears tickled (2
Ti 4:3), there are plenty of high theologians on
TOL
to help you.
That was for Bathsheba and Uriah. Where does David repent for his polygamy?
Polygamy is forbidden (Gen. 2:24, Ex. 20:14, Ps. 128:1–6, 1 Co 7:2).
For this is the will of God, your sanctification:
that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how
to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in passion of lust,
like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one should take advantage of and
defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such,
as we also forewarned you and testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness,
but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who
has also given us His Holy Spirit (1
Th 4:3–8).
The righteous requirement of the law might be
fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the
Spirit (Ro
8:4).
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are:
adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred,
contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions,
heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell
you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice
such things will not inherit the kingdom of Go (Ga
5:19–21).
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived.
Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor
sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
extortioners will inherit the kingdom of
God (1
Co 6:9–10).
No rapture without sanctification (Mt
25:2).
Stay on I-35 (Isa 35)--the highway of holiness (Mt
7:14).
But to break one law and we are guilty of all of them....All have sinned and fallen short.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! Ro 6:1–2
To fear is to not know His love.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him (1 Jn 2:4).
We are all in equal need of His perfect, unconditional love.
"He loves you. He'll live without you." ~ J. Vernon McGee
If you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God (Ro 8:13–14).
If you hate your neighbor who you have seen, how can you Love God , Who you haven't seen?
That's right. If we don't love our brother, we'd be
fooling ourselves to believe that we love God.
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who
does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not
seen?
1 Jn 4:20
Loving my brother is: not murdering him, not coveting his spouse, not robbing
him, etc.
Mk 12:31
When
the bible discusses what occurred in history, it isn't a ringing endorsement of
it.
"Deut
21:15–17 has two wives. In the original, the words are rendered “has had two
wives,” referring to events that have already taken place, evidently intimating
that one wife is dead and another has taken her place. Moses, then, is not
legislating on a polygamous case where a man has two wives at the same time, but
on that of a man who has married twice in succession. The man may prefer the
second wife and be exhorted by her to give his inheritance to one of her sons.
The issue involves the principle of the inheritance of the firstborn (the right
of primogenitor). The firstborn son of the man, whether from the favorite wife
or not, was to receive the double portion of the inheritance. The father did not
have the authority to transfer this right to another son. This did not apply to
sons of a concubine (Gen.
21:9–13) or in cases of misconduct (Gen.
49:3,
4)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic
ed., p. 126). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married,
then his wife shall go out with him.
If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters;
the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself.
And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my
children; I will not go out free:
Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the
door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an
awl; and he shall serve him for ever [Exod.
21:3–6].
"This remarkable law states that if a man is a slave, after seven years he can
go free. If he was married when he became a slave, he can take his wife with
him. If he married while a slave, that is, if he married a woman who was already
a slave of his master, at the end of seven years he could go free, but his wife
would still belong to the master. He could, however, if he loved his wife and
master, decide to stay on his own free will. If he decides to stay, his master
is to bore his earlobe through with an awl signifying that he will serve his
master forever.
This is a beautiful picture of the Lord Jesus Christ. He came to this earth and
took upon Himself our humanity. And we were all slaves of sin. He could have
gone out free. He could have returned to heaven, to His position in the Godhead,
without going through the doorway of death. He did not have to die upon the
Cross. But He willingly came down to earth and took upon Himself our humanity.
“And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient
unto death, even the death of the cross” (Phil.
2:8).
Psalm 40:6–8 goes on to say, “Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire;
mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not
required. Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of
me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.” This
passage refers to Christ, because
Hebrews 10:5–9 tells us that it does. It was fulfilled when our Lord came to
this earth. “Wherefore when he cometh into the world [speaking of Christ], he
saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared
me [it was not only his ear that was “digged,” or bored through with an awl, but
God gave Him a body which He will have throughout eternity]: In burnt offerings
and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in
the volume of the book it is written of me) to do thy will, O God. Above when he
said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou
wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then
said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may
establish the second.” Christ was “made like unto His brethren.” He chose not to
go out free without us. He could have left this earth without dying, but He
said, “I love My Bride. I love the sinner.” So He became obedient unto death,
even the death of the Cross so that He could redeem us from the slavery of sin.
What a picture this is of Christ—placed right here after the giving of the Ten
Commandments." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Law (Exodus
19–40) (electronic ed., Vol. 5, pp. 34–36). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
The punishment for adultery is
death (Lev.
20:10–12). It excludes one from God's kingdom (1
Cor. 6:9,
10) and ends in hell (Prov.
7:27;
Rev. 21:8).
Spiritual adultery is: described graphically (Ezek.
16), symbolized in Hosea’s marriage (Hos.
1:1–3) and figurative of friendship with the world
(James
4:4). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s
quick reference topical Bible index (p. 22). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson
Publishers.
...[T]hat person has to open their heart to Jesus and receive his word...
The adulterer can repent and be forgiven (2 Sam. 12:7–14).
...[Y]ou have the freewill to overcome the hardness of your heart...
If it's your heart's desire is to please God and walk in holiness, he knows. If it's your heart's desire to please yourself and walk according to the flesh, he knows that, too.
If you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (Ro 8:13).
...[T]o receive the message of the gospel, most people don't...
It's difficult to come back from a backslidden state. There comes a time (Ge 6:3) when God gives you over to your own depraved mind (Ro 1:28).
What does that have to do with do not commit adultery? Ex 20:14 Men and women are to be loyal (Pr 20:6, Ruth 1:14–18).
God said do not multiply wives. Do not multiply horses
(e.g. war). Solomon did both.
"Deut 17:16, 17 multiply … multiply … multiply. Restrictions were placed on the
king: 1) he must not acquire many horses; 2) he must not take multiple wives;
and 3) he must not accumulate much silver and gold. The king was not to rely on
military strength, political alliances, or wealth for his position and
authority, but he was to look to the Lord. Solomon violated all of those
prohibitions, while his father, David, violated the last two. Solomon’s wives
brought idolatry into Jerusalem, which resulted in the kingdom being divided (1
Kin. 11:1–43)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible
(electronic ed., p. 275). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
Yes indeed - but my previous questions still stand.
Anyway, some might say a few isn't multiplying - a few horses, not many - a few
wives, not many. The warning might be understood more in terms of not doing as
Egypt had done - not returning to Egypt's ways.
Don't get me wrong serpentdove - I want you to be right.
...[M]y previous questions still stand.
Jn 8:37
Please clarify.
Meaning?
"2
Sa 12:8 your master’s wives. This phraseology means nothing more than that
God in His providence had given David, as king, everything that was Saul’s.
There is no evidence that he ever married any of Saul’s wives, though the harem
of eastern kings passed to their successors. Ahinoam, the wife of David (2:2;
3:2;
1 Sam. 25:43;
27:3;
30:5), is always referred to as the Jezreelitess, whereas Ahinoam, the wife
of Saul, is distinguished clearly from her by being called “the daughter of
Ahimaaz” (1
Sam. 14:50)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible
(electronic ed., p. 443). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of
Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand
of Saul;
And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and
gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I
would moreover have given unto thee such and such things [2
Sam. 12:7–8].
"It took courage for Nathan to say this to David. In my judgment he is the
bravest man in the Bible. I know of no one who can be compared to him. He said,
“David, you are the guilty one.” What is David going to do? He is going to do
something unusual, I can assure you of that. Dr. Margoliouth has said this:
“When has this been done—before or since? Mary, Queen of Scots, would declare
that she was above the law; Charles I would have thrown over Bathsheba; James II
would have hired witnesses to swear away her character; Mohammed would have
produced a revelation authorizing both crimes; Charles II would have publicly
abrogated the seventh commandment; Queen Elizabeth would have suspended Nathan.”
Years ago, the Duke of Windsor would have given up his throne for her. We have
had some presidents who would have repealed the Ten Commandments and appointed
Nathan to the Supreme Court. David did not do any of these things. His actions
will reveal his greatness.
God would have given David anything his heart wanted, but David longed for
something that was not his. The new morality today says it was not sin. God
still says this is sin, and the man after God’s own heart cannot get by with
it." McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 2, p.
215). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
"2
Sa 5:13 more concubines and wives. The multiplication of David’s wives and
concubines was in direct violation of
Deut. 17:17. These marriages reflected David’s involvement in international
treaties and alliances that were sealed by the marriage of a king’s daughter to
the other participants in the treaty. This cultural institution accounted for
some of David’s and many of Solomon’s wives (see
1 Kin. 11:1–3). In each case of polygamy in Scripture, the law of God was
violated and the consequences were negative, if not disastrous." MacArthur, J.,
Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 434).
Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was
come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David [2
Sam. 5:13].
"That is the record of the facts. God did not put His stamp of approval upon
what David did. We will find that God definitely disapproves of polygamy. In
David’s son Solomon it resulted in the splitting of the kingdom and finally
brought on the Babylonian captivity. Why? Because David and Solomon were kings
and in places of leadership. Their actions were wrong. Who says they were wrong?
God says they were wrong! After all, it is His universe, and He makes the rules.
Although you may not like them, God’s rules are good. God not only created us,
but He laid down rules and regulations for our lives which would bring to the
human family the ultimate in happiness and blessing." McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru
the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 2, p. 197). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
You find this subject unsettling do you not?
It's a big world with all kinds of perverts in it (Ex
20:14).
[Ex 20:14] Now why would this be relevant?
You don't have an intellectual problem. You have a heart problem. Clearly, you are not interested in holiness.
Faith of a mustard seed
brain of a mustard seed
Ps 14:1
...How can you keep turning Sonnet[']s eyes to his flesh, when he is struggling to turn his eyes to Jesus?
No struggle.
He is perfectly content encouraging others to be as vile as he is (Ro
1:32).
Serpent Dove, are we not all darkness and the light is Jesus...?
No, I'm not in darkness (Eph
5:11,
Ro 13:12).
Are you in darkness?
But Elymas the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them, seeking
to turn the proconsul away from the faith. Then Saul, who
also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him and
said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of
all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord?
Ac 13:8–11
...I cling to Him like a lover clings to their love.
You're a poet. Don't cha know it?
You mock marriage like your father, the devil (Jn
8:44). Payday someday (Heb
13:4).
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus.
He makes two one (Gen. 2:18–24). Not three, not four--two = one (Mt 19:6). 2 Pet. 3:16
See:
How Did the Magi Know About Jesus? Matthew 2 Grace to You
Grace not a license to sin.
It’s a license
to repent (Winfrey). Mk 1:15, Ac 26:20
Your wife (singular
)
not wives (plural
)
[Ps.
128:1–6]
Each is to have one spouse
not two,
three,
four
(1
Cor. 7:2).
The undefiled (not the defiled
)
are blessed (Ps.
119:1).
We know that a lot of perversions were common in the Old
Testament.
You are what God calls
unclean (Is. 52:1).
See:
Concupiscence
Misery
loves company (1
Co 6:9-10).
Not one of the 22 translations here renders it in the past tense.
Adulterers
don't go to heaven (1 Co 9-10,
Ro 1:28-32).
See:
PeaceMakingPolygamist
That's all you need to know.
Jesus loves you (Jn
3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2
Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze
18:30-32;
Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk
9:23).
He/she promotes
polygamy (Ex
20:14).
Wrong. Re-read the thread (Eph 4:14).
"The only thing men learn from history is that men don't learn from history."
Gen. 19:1–28 ~ Adrian Rogers
Men do not (Ac
5:29).
to die and go to hell, sure (Ex
20:14,
1 Co 6:9-10,
Re 22:11).
The Jews were looking for an out for their wickedness
and Jesus reaffirmed his law (Mt 19:8).
Don't ask questions for which you do not want the answer (Mt 19:11).
] Please stay on topic.
Jesus made it clear again for the Pharisees
who had looked to justify themselves (Mt 19:8). God
gives you a portion of his spirit (lit. fire of life
[Mal 2:15]). The two become one flesh (Matt. 19:5,
6). If some infidel (1 Ti 5:8)
wishes to approach the Great White Throne without
his fire of life, he is left with--a
consuming fire.
Good luck with that (Mal 2:16).
Talk about jumping out of the frying pan into the
fire.
Ask him yourself.
1 Jn 2:27
Are you using his life to justify your sin?
Ex 20:14
Are you a polygamist?
Ex 20:14, 1 Co 6:9-10
it does not mean that he approves of it (e.g.
Rahab, a lying whore [Josh.
2:1–24]).
]
By your comment of the Jews, and their feelings
towards King David proves to me you don't know
much at all!
2 Sam. 12:14, Ps 50:21, Mt 5:18
Ex 20:14, 1 Co 6:9-10] No I'm not. I'm married
to one man...
You must think that Tt 1:5-16 is only for
super duper saints, too.
If you reprobates (2 Cor. 13:3–5) spent
as much time trying to clean up (Jb
29:14, 1 Co 9:27) as you do attempting
to justify your sin,
you'd have a change at heaven (Jer 6:30,
Ro 1:28, 2 Pet. 2:9–22).
us?
2 Pe 2:1
Tell me all about myself (Eph
4:14).
You're the one promoting walking in
ungodliness not me (Jud
18).
Jesus loves you (Jn
3:16). Jesus is
willing to save you (2
Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze
18:30-32;
Ac 17:30).
Believe (Mk
9:23).
