Why men won't marry you

[Why men won't marry you by Suzanne Venker mentioned on Dennis Prager radio 6 May 15] "Where have all the husbands gone?

That’s a question Peter Lloyd tackles in a series in London’s Daily Mail about Britain’s marriage rate, which is at its lowest level since 1895. “The state of matrimony is not just ailing. It is dying out faster than a mobile phone battery,” Lloyd writes. “For an army of women, Mr. Right is simply not there, no matter how hard they look for him.”

Things are no better this side of the Atlantic. According to Pew Research Center, the share of American adults who’ve never been married is at an historic high—and men are more likely than women to have never made it down the aisle (23% vs. 17% in 2012).

There was a time when wives respected their husbands. There was a time when wives took care of their husbands as they expected their husbands to take care of them.

What gives? Why are men here and abroad avoiding the altar in spades?

1. Because they can: Men used to marry to have sex and a family. They married for love, too, but they had to marry the girl before taking her to bed, or at least work really, really hard to wear her down. Those days are gone.

When more women make themselves sexually available, the pool of marriageable men diminishes. “In a world where women do not say no, the man is never forced to settle down and make serious choices,” writes George Gilder, author of "Men and Marriage."

Scoff if you wish. Call me a fuddy-duddy. But how’s that new plan working out?

2. Because there’s nothing in it for them: What exactly does marriage offer men today? “Men know there’s a good chance they’ll lose their friends, their respect, their space, their sex life, their money and — if it all goes wrong — their family,” says Helen Smith, Ph.D., author of "Men on Strike." “They don’t want to enter into a legal contract with someone who could effectively take half their savings, pension and property when the honeymoon period is over.Men aren’t wimping out by staying unmarried or being commitment phobes. They’re being smart.”

Unlike women, men lose all power after they say “I do.” Their masculinity dies, too.

What’s left of it, that is. In the span of just a few decades, America has demoted men from respected providers and protectors of the family to superfluous buffoons. Today’s sitcoms and commercials routinely paint a portrait of the idiot husband whose wife is smarter and more capable than he.

There was a time when wives respected their husbands. There was a time when wives took care of their husbands as they expected their husbands to take care of them.

Or perhaps therein lies the rub. If women no longer expect or even want men to “take care of” them — since women can do everything men can do and better, thank you very much, feminism — perhaps the flipside is the assumption that women don’t need to take care of husbands, either. And if no one’s taking care of anyone, why the hell marry?

For women, the reason is obvious: kids. Eventually most women decide they want children, no matter how long they put it off to focus on their careers. So they often nab the best guy they can find, usually the one with whom they’re currently sleeping, and convince him to get married.

If the man refuses, we call him, as Smith notes, a “commitment phobe.” But is that fair? Perhaps these men know all too well that women initiate the vast majority of divorces — anywhere from 65-90 percent, depending on demographics. And when they do, they take the kids with them and hang hubby out to dry with the help of a court system that’s heavily stacked in their favor. In the past, Mom got the kids because she was home with them doing the thankless, unpaid, mountainous work associated with that role. Today, neither parent is home, so there’s no reason the default custodial parent should be Mom.

So remind me, why would a man marry today?

No, really. What’s in it for him?" Article Heb 13:4

Response to comment [from a Buddhist]: "Perhaps we should adopt sharia law? That'll show those headstrong women!"

Because our culture is superior to theirs (Lk 17:26).

See:

Disposable Culture

Response to comment [from a Buddhist]: "...And to think my dad used to make $2.25 an hour and my mom was a homemaker..."

1 Pe 3:7, Pr 31

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered. Like wise humans give honor and submit to God as the " weaker-needing" vessel. Giving honor to our wife is taking care of her, protecting her, and loving her as the weaker vessel thus Glorifying God. The wife knowing that God has given the man authority, ( not a dictator) over the woman. let's the husband have the final say as the authority. And men you better be doing this and doing this with Gods love for your wife. Thus, the man honor's such a woman, and in this honor, the man recognizes the extreme responsibility he has been given in this authority."

All will give an account (Deut. 10:18, 1 Pe 4:5).

"Yes indeed. Everyone of us my friend."

Let's get to work (1 Co 9:26, NLT).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Seriously though, I do wonder how many men would marry under sane divorce laws."

You aren't permitted to sue your brethren --much less your own wife.

You husbands...live with your wives in an understanding way (1 Pe 3:7, NASB).

Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another (1 Co 6:7).

"You're not without your point..."

The author's point.

"...[B]ut I'd like to add a bit to this. There are men that women love."

"I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is." ~ Forrest, Forrest Gump

"There are men that women want to marry."

People don't know whether to expect love or hate (Eccl 9:1).

See:

Disposable Culture



Response to comment [from a Buddhist]:

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Reminds me of an old saying, 'why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free.'


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You speaking for the ladies?


She's is speaking about the ladies (Pr 30:20).

"Fornication. Evil of: Comes from evil heart (Matt. 15:19), Sins against the body (1 Cor. 6:18), Excludes from God’s kingdom (1 Cor. 6:9), Disrupts Christian fellowship (1 Cor. 5:9–11), Spiritual fornication symbolized in final apostasy (Rev. 17:1–5)." Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 241). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Back When ~ Tim McGraw



Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "Its human's fault for getting divorced. The bible says don't do it. Ever."

It's the petitioner's fault.

Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge (Heb 13:4).

"For I hate divorce!" says the LORD, the God of Israel (Mal 2:16).

Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another (1 Co 6:7).

Recommend reading:

The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney  

Recommended sites:

Christian Divorce and Remarriage Joseph Webb

Marriage Permanence

Permanence of Marriage Until Death Walking by the Spirit Always

Disposable Culture

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "The men I love are not pigs."

Ge 9:6, Eccl. 7:29

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Good thread.  Marriage has been secularly reduced to a legal contract. Survivorship benefits are a very important part of the contract. Even Christians who genuinely believe in Christ have fallen for modern, artificial ideals generated and guided and informed by legal conclusions drawn from the marriage legal contract. People seem to be making decisions about marriage based upon the characteristics of the contract, rather than on what our Creator intend's and desires and instruct's us."

The world makes it up as they go along (2 Ti 3:13). That doesn't make it so (Ps 68:5, Heb 13:4).

Recommend reading:

The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney  

Recommended sites:

Christian Divorce and Remarriage Joseph Webb

Marriage Permanence

Permanence of Marriage Until Death Walking by the Spirit Always

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "There's no question that there's a  ton of loveless marriages. On an average, women love the men they cohabitate with the most, their boyfriends second and their husbands the least..."

Where are you meeting your friends? In a truck stop? 1 Co 6:9-11

[Failed as a husband 1 Pe 3:7] ...The question is, what should the terms of the divorce be? Right now I think the terms are unreasonable.

I agree (Lev 20:10-12). Terms...dig a ditch, lie in it and die.

"No, I'm referring to the statistics. Couples cohabiting have more sex than boyfriend/girlfriend have more sex than husband/wife. Once again, this is on average. I know there are exceptions."

"No, I'm referring to the statistics. Couples cohabiting have more sex than boyfriend/girlfriend have more sex than husband/wife..."

Have a camera in their bedroom do you (like they are considering doing in France now)?

1 Co 7:4, Heb 13:4

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[A] lot of alleged Christians on this site don't believe that the bible is the word of God."


Alleged is right (Lk 6:46). This debates goes back to Cain and Abel (Heb 11:4). You'll do it your way or you'll do it God's way (Pr 16:25).

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.” ~ C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce

My Way ~ Frank Sinatra

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "And, RepublicanChick, you make the comment about men not wanting commitment, but really, why should we? Why on earth would I want to commit myself to incessant complaining and nagging and all of the usual hysterics and insanity that accompanies having to deal with a woman, in addition to all of the usual annoyances that accompanies having to deal with people in general? Combined, of course, with the probability of having to deal with an expensive civic divorce and all that accompanies these things?"

You're single? Jer 16:2, Eccl 9:1

"Yup."

The apostle Paul said that there are advantages to remaining single.

"1 Co 7:7 as I myself. As a single person, Paul recognized the special freedom and independence he had to serve Christ (see notes on vv. 32–34). But he did not expect all believers to be single, nor all who were single to stay that way, nor all who were married to act celibate as if they were single. gift from God. Both singleness and marriage are God’s gracious gifts...

7:32, 33 be without care. A single person is free from concern about the earthly needs of a spouse and therefore potentially better able to set himself apart exclusively for the Lord’s work.

7:33 things of the world. These are earthly matters connected to the passing system (v. 31).

7:33, 34 how he may please his wife … husband. Here is a basic and expected principle for a good marriage—each seeking to please the other.

7:34 The first part of this verse is preferably rendered in some manuscripts, “and his interests are divided. And the woman who is unmarried and the virgin.…” This is important because it distinguishes clearly between the “unmarried” and “virgins,” who, therefore, can’t be the same. “Virgins” are single people never married, while “unmarried” must be single by divorce. Widows is the term for those made single by death (see note on v. 8).

7:35 Marriage does not prevent great devotion to the Lord, but it brings more potential matters to interfere with it. Singleness has fewer hindrances, though not guaranteed greater spiritual virtue. distraction. See notes on vv. 26, 29, 33...

7:26 present distress. An unspecified, current calamity. Perhaps Paul anticipated the imminent Roman persecutions which began within 10 years after this epistle was written. remain as he is. Persecution is difficult enough for a single person to endure, but problems and pain are multiplied for those who are married, especially if they have children...

7:29 time is short. Human life is brief (cf. James 4:14; 1 Pet. 1:24). as though they had none. This does not teach that marriage is no longer binding or treated with seriousness (cf. Eph. 5:22–33; Col. 3:18, 19), nor should there be any physical deprivation (vv. 3–5); but Paul is teaching that marriage should not at all reduce one’s devotion to the Lord and service to Him (cf. Col. 3:2). He means to keep the eternal priority (see v. 31)..." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1740). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.


Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I'm not a big bible fan, but I'll certainly support the whole sale annihilation of the institution of marriage."

Our culture does not value marriage (Heb 13:4, Eccl 8:11, 9:1, Jer 16:2).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Not marry] "Are you crazy?!"

Crazy like a fox.

"Maybe a fox with rabies."

All the more reason (1 Co 6:16-18).

"Single guys, if I was lying on my death bed today, I would be surrounded by my loving wife and seven children. If I live to be an old man, I will have at least that many people who will care for me when I cannot care for myself. It's either them doing it or I better have a lot of money to pay strangers to care for me. Marriage and children are God's social security, a form more secure than whatever you are presently planning for retirement alone."

That's the way it's supposed to be. A credit to you.

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life (1 Pe 3:7A, ESV).


"My prayer is that all these single young men find a good wife and have many children."

He that hath found a good wife, hath found a good thing, and shall receive a pleasure from the Lord. He that driveth away a good wife, driveth away a good thing: but he that keepeth an adulteress, is foolish and wicked (Pr 18:22, DRB).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Our culture does not value marriage (Heb 13:4, Eccl 8:11, 9:1, Jer 16:2).] "Usually our culture is stupid, but every now and again it gets something right."

There's nothing wrong with marriage (Mt 19:6, 1 Pe 3:7). There's something wrong with man (1 Co 13:8).

"Tell that to the family court judge. Somehow I doubt it will matter."

It won't matter (Mic 7:3). This culture does not value marriage (Heb 13:4). They will appear before their judge one day to give an account (1 Pe 4:5).

Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil (Eccl 8:11).

[My way (e.g. humanism) ] "Amen, brother."

Men are part of the solution or they are part of the problem (Mt 12:30).


Response to comment [from a Christian]: "The bible also says to murder people for openly expressing differing beliefs (deuteronomy chapter 13). I think that says everything that will ever need to be said about the bible."

Murder is killing of the innocent. False teachers are not innocent. Too bad you side with the false teachers not God.

"Too bad." ~ Seth Brundle, The Fly

And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD "your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee [Deut. 13:5].

Notice that any false prophet who attempted to take the people into some false cult or false religion was to be stoned to death. Does that sound extreme? Does that sound severe? Such a false prophet is like a cancer, and a cancer must be cut out as soon as possible—I know that from personal experience. God here is the Great Physician and He says the cancer must be cut out from among His people.

This reveals the mind of God concerning false prophets who lead the people to false gods and false religion. I can remember when I was a boy that the reading of the Bible in the schoolroom was a normal procedure. I don’t think it was particularly meaningful to me at that time, yet I understood it was the Word of God and that impressed me. Today we have let the unbeliever come in, the cults, and those who oppose Christianity and the Bible, and they have taken over so that Bible reading and prayer are no longer permitted in public schools.

God laid down these rules to prevent this from happening in Israel. If one appeared in Israel who was attempting to take God’s people away from the worship of God, that person was to be put to death.
Some soft–hearted and soft–headed folk will say this is too extreme. God understood how terrible it would be if false prophets were permitted to multiply and to lead Israel into idolatry. History reveals that Israel did not obey God and they did permit this to happen. If you want to know how bad it was for God’s people in that day, read the story of Ahab and Jezebel who plunged God’s people into idolatry. This brought the judgment of God upon them so that eventually the northern kingdom was carried into captivity. That is how serious it is." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Law (Deuteronomy) (electronic ed., Vol. 9, pp. 90–91). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.


Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Your desire shall be for your husband."

A consequence of the fall for her (Ge 3:16). Women tend to make an idol of marriage and family.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "You do realize that the crap you're spewing is the founding principles of boko haram, right?"

You do realize that Islam is a perversion of Christianity, right? Ga 5:9

Boko Haram means western culture forbidden. They don't want a camera pointed right at a gal's derriere. You disagree? Ro 13:13, 1 Ti 2:9



"Muslims say you're the false teacher. They have exactly the same amount of scientific evidence that you have."

Too bad you equate the two. Mt 15:14

"Too bad." ~ Seth Brundle, The Fly

Response to comment [from a Messianic Jew]: "Why, thank you! 25 years and counting, Baruch HaShem! Come on ladies, speak up!"

He's blessed (Pr 18:22).

All-American Girl ~ Carrie Underwood

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "The Muslims say your religion is the perversion."

One of us is telling the truth (Jn 14:6 ) and the other is a dirty yak (Ge 16:12, Mt 7:20 ).

See:

On the Dirty Yak Watch *warning graphic images*

"Sure I equate the two religions."

You throw the baby out with the bathwater (Lk 23:21).

"See, this is where I differ from you and the Muslims. I don't believe either of you. It's entirely possible neither of you is right."

It's entirely possible that Jesus is right (Jn 14:6). Since he rose from the dead, I'm going with that he has to say (Ps 119:160).

"Sure, your bible says you're the one that's right, but who cares? The Muslims have a book that says they're right.  Both your book and his are morally repugnant and both books are equally scientific, which is to say not at all."

Then science is your God.

"Men study science as god not the God of science." ~ Adrian Rogers

"Claim after claim, yet no solid scientific evidence."

None that you would accept (Jer 17:9, Rom. 10:10).

"Instead references to an old book by barbarians."

Because men aren't the same today (Eccl 1:9, Lk 17:26-27).

"Same as the Muslims. Can you do anything that distinguishes you from the Muslims?"

What have Muslims ever done for the world but saw men's heads off? Given us the number zero? Whoopty damn doo.

See:

What Christianity Has Done for the World

"Once again, unsubstantiated claims. You claim Jesus is right, but no evidence. You claim Jesus rose from the dead, but no evidence."



Recommended reading:

The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Love and family] "Good post."

That's the idea (Ge 2:24, Heb 13:4).

Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit (1 Th 4:1–8).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Quoting the article as my writing] And....?



A few housekeeping items:

Please place the article in it's own quotes not quotes attributed to me. I do not happen to agree with the author.


"In my mind I was just quoting the OP, but I'm glad you don't agree with the author. Do you agree with me?...I suspect that the happiest men live the life of a family man regardless of whether the world calls them married."

One is married or he isn't. God does not leave covenant relationships. What the world calls a second marriage, God calls adultery (Mt 19:6, Ro 1:18). Marriage is dissolved by death (Rom. 7:2, 3).

Response to comment [from other]: "So why do you disagree with the OP? It's well said."

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[From the article] "...Because there’s nothing in it for them: What exactly does marriage offer men today?"


There's nothing in it for them? You don't get married for what you can get (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You get married for what you can give (Ac 20:35).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Not my writing] "Whoa... I positive repped you and you don't agree with the OP? I feel cheated. The OP is worthy to be nominated POTY."



A few housekeeping items:

Ask admin to delete (I don't read them, fyi).

[You don't get married for what you can get (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You get married for what you can give (Ac 20:35).] "That sounds great, but not great enough for me and others to sign up for a suicide mission..."


Many should not marry (1 Pe 3:7, ESV).

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: [Another member presumes to know her life, men have been evil toward her] "I'm done with dishonest people."

You know your life better than anyone else (Prov. 18:13).

Response to comment from a Christian]: [To her] "You lack even a little bit of a heart for Christ or realism."

You don't know how close or far she is from the kingdom (Lk 11:9).

Response to comment [from other]: [Site down] "I guess my other posts got lost in the recent DB event.  Anyhow, this article is spot on. The chances of a good marriage are not good enough to risk it. Men are wise to avoid marriage in the US."



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Neither men nor women are protected in our culture (Heb 13:4, Mt 24:37).

"From God?"

From the Just-a-System (Am 8:5, Mt 19:6). We are protected (Ps 23). The wicked are not (Ga 6:7). We are able to claim promises of blessing. They are not.

"...The point is that men are being called "adolescents" by our culture..."

That is unique to our culture. In the past men wanted to mature and support a wife and children (Pr 18:22).

"...[W]hen the decision to not get married is mature and rational."

If a man cannot live in understanding with a woman, he should not marry (1 Pe 3:7, ESV).

"The decision to not get married shows that men are mature."

Dennis Prager has said that a man is not a man until he takes care of a woman.  Marriage matures an individual.

"It also shows they'd rather get married if it would do any good."

It's supposed to lead to happiness (Gen. 2:18). 

Response to comment [from a Pinko Commie]:  "You are lamenting the reluctance of men to marry these days..."

Proof please. I have no dog in this fight. Get married or don't get married. There are benefits to marriage (Ge 2:18) and there are benefits to singleness (1 Co 7:7).

"...and yet I read some comments from you last year which indicated there are restrictions you place on whom can marry..."  

I don't place restrictions on individuals. God does. One day he will rule and reign (Rev. 20:1–10).

See:


Disposable Culture

"...[W]hom that are based on bigotry in my opinion."  

Then you must be on the Left. Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10



Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Prager clearly has no real argument. If he did he'd be presenting that argument rather than saying you're not a man unless you live the way I want you to."

He's a behaviorist (Pr 16:25, Jud 11). He believes he's a good person (Ro 3:12).

"Literally, he's saying that since you have a penis, you are less than human if you don't sign a marriage contract no matter how nonsensical the legal contract is."

He grew up believing that a male is not a man until he cares for someone. You disagree.

"If you went to buy a cell phone and the salesman pulls out a contract and says you aren't a man unless you sign it, would you sign it?"

I don't believe he argues that single men are freaks.

"Being called an adolescent because you won't marry is like being called a doody head in a debate.  It's a sign the person on the other side has no real argument or point.  If they did, they'd be making that argument rather than calling you an adolescent or doody head."

I don't think Prager would call another a doody head in a debate on this topic. He believes that he provides a community service when he airs his male/female hour. He rejects Mt 5:28.

"If you are going to go that route as being literal...[D]o you have any historical or extra-biblical evidence that early Christians plucked out their eyes or cut off their hands for merely thinking about something?"

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart [Matt. 5:27–28].

"For many years I have publicly made the statement that nobody but the Lord Jesus has ever kept the Law. One Sunday morning I repeated it in my message, and afterward a big, burly, red–faced fellow came to me and said, “You always say that nobody keeps the Law. I want you to know that I keep the Law!” By the way, he belonged to a cult although he attended services at the church I pastored. Since he claimed to keep the Law, I said, “All right, let’s look at it,” and I showed him verse 22 regarding hatred being the same as murder. He said that he kept that, although I don’t believe that he did. So I gave him verse 28 and said,“It says here that if you so much as look upon a woman to lust after her, you have committed adultery. Now look me straight in the eye and tell me that you have never done that.” He was red–faced to begin with, but you should have seen him then—he was really red–faced. He grunted some sort of epithet, turned on his heels, and walked out. Of course, he walked out! And I say to you, if you are honest, you will not claim to be keeping the Law. Remember that there were ten commandments. Although Matthew mentions only these two that Christ dealt with, I am of the opinion that He lifted all ten of them to the nth degree.

Oh, my friend, the Sermon on the Mount shows me that I have sinned and that I need to come to Him for mercy and help. To say that you are living by the Sermon on the Mount while all the time you are breaking it is to declare that the Law is not important." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 1-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 34, pp. 80–81). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"Mt 5:29 pluck it out and cast it from you. Jesus was not advocating self-mutilation (for this would not in fact cure lust, which is actually a problem of the heart). He was using this graphic hyperbole to demonstrate the seriousness of sins of lust and evil desire. The point is that it would be “more profitable” (v. 30) to lose a member of one’s own body than to bear the eternal consequences of the guilt from such a sin. Sin must be dealt with drastically because of its deadly effects." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1401). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

"Then you have to wrap your head around whether or not our actual bodies will be cast into hell.  I don't know of many people that believe that."

You will be given a body fit for heaven or fit for hell.  Your choice.  Hell is described as everlasting fire (Matt. 25:41), everlasting punishment, everlasting destruction (2 Thess. 1:9).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Matt. 5:27–28] "So you agree with that statement being hyperbole?"

Are you hoping Jesus does not mean what he says? Mt 5:20

See:

Pillar Placement: Know Your Load by Darrell Ferguson

Response to comment [from a Catholic]:  [Keeping the law] "Not! Moses kept the law most of the time..."

Mostly (
Ro 3:20).

Mostly ~ Eric Cartman  


Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...I'm proud to say that here in the US, the laws of the old testament aren't law."

Matt. 12:36, 37

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "The decision to not get married shows that men are mature. It also shows they'd rather get married if it would do any good."

Just steer clear of Succubuses (Pr 31).

Keep Going! You're Good! ~ Spongebob



Response to comment [from a Messianic Jew]: "... Across the board, we are so morally loose it's ridiculous!"

They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour’s wife [Jer. 5:8].

"What is the big sin in our nation today? It is sexual sin, only we don’t call it that. We call it “the new morality.” But God still calls adultery sin. In fact He uses sarcasm of the first water: He says, “Every man is neighing like a horse for his neighbor’s wife.” What a picture of our contemporary culture!" McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Jeremiah/Lamentations) (electronic ed., Vol. 24, pp. 46–47). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...Feminism has made women extremely fearful of having a man tell her what to do. That is what the article said was women's contribution to the decline in marriage."

Yes. They fought to be treated like whores and now they are treated like whores. Ro 1:26

Related:

Dirty Old Dave

Back When ~ Tim McGraw
Response to comment [from a Christian]:  [ ] "Serpentgirl, what is this pole dancing...gif ?"

A dirty ho (Pr 30:20, 1 Pet. 3:1–7).

[Proverbs 30:20] "What does she have on her face that she has to wipe her mouth...?


"Pr 30:18–20 Hypocrisy is illustrated by 4 natural analogies of concealment: 1) an eagle leaves no trail in the air; 2) a slithering snake leaves no trail on the rock; 3) a ship leaves no trail in the sea; 4) a man leaves no marks after he has slept with a virgin. These actions are all concealed and thus serve to illustrate the hypocrisy of the adulterous woman who hides the evidences of her shame while professing innocence." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 920). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

Lying Eyes ~ The Eagles

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Or marriage is in decline for the same reason church attendance is in decline: a lot of people entered into both for reasons unrelated to the fundamental purpose, which is to say they did so for social advantage and acceptance, because it was expected. If you wanted to be an upright, trusted businessman or professional and accepted into social circles that could advance your standing then you went to church and, at a certain age, you married..."

Many want to appear respectable but they don't want to be respectable. Mt 23:27, Jas 2:18

See:

Edited notes Empty Words/Empty Hearts by John MacArthur


"I don't think respectable means much these days to a great many people, or it has been conflated with successful. Or maybe it always was for a lot of people and once the expectation of church and marriage were no longer integral to the notion of public success they stopped being meaningful to those same people. It would seem to follow."

"Success is living God's will each day. Failure is succeeding in the wrong things." ~ Adrian Rogers

Do right. Risk the consequences (Enyart). 2 Co 7:2


Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Marriage isn't for everyone, and there's nothing wrong or immature about recognizing this fact. It's a form of maturity, to resist "what everyone should do", and not enter into a marriage for which one is ill-suited. At worst, you only ruin your own life, while an inadvisable marriage can ruin two."

"I'd rather be a kid and play with paper planes, than be a man and play with a woman's heart." ~ Niall Horan



Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Successful is a moving target."

Man finds joy the same way he always has (Matt. 13:44).

Response to comment [from a pagan]:

OCTOBER23 View Post

Notice that women are extremely fearful but men are not fearful but brave.  Do women like pussycats because they are Scard-y-cats too?  Now you know why men rule the world because they are not fearful.

Sitamun View Post

This entire post is nothing more than bull. Is your ego so fragile that you fear strong independent women? Trust me it says much more about you than women.


"An habitation giddy and unsure Hath he that buildeth on the vulgar heart." ~ Shakespeare Matt. 19:5, 1 Pe 3:7

Response to comment [from a Christian]:
 [Man finds joy the same way he always has (Matt. 13:44).] "Amen. Still, the world's idea of success is a moving target. For some, what others perceive as their success is just smoke and mirrors."

That's the world. We don't like them (Titus 2:12).

Response to comment [from a Christian]:

BOLCATS View Post

Nothing quite like blowing up a small segment of the male population to gargantuan size to obfuscate a real paranoid fear feminism instills in women that causes real and damaging problems to marriage at large.

Angel4Truth View Post

Wow, did I hit a nerve, I didn't realize I "blew up" anyone other than men who are weak and refuse to lead their families/wives. Does that apply to you?

"Ouch." ~ E.T. When I became a man, I gave up my childish ways (1 Co 13:11).

Man Meat ~ Michael, The Office

[ On the dirty ho watch (Pr 30:20, 1 Pet. 3:1–7). ]



Egyptian Dancer Charged With ‘Inciting Debauchery’ *inappropriate images*

See:

Modest is Hottest

Back When ~ Tim McGraw

The way it should be:

Marine and bride pray Heb 13:4



Response to comment [from a Christian]: "...[T]he current culture promotes the evil nature in women, and does not promote the evil nature in men."

Both genders can choose to be evil (1 Co 6:9-10, Mt 24:37). It takes two to tango.

"1 Co 6:9, 10 This catalog of sins, though not exhaustive, represents the major types of moral sin that characterize the unsaved.

6:9 not inherit the kingdom. The kingdom is the spiritual sphere of salvation where God rules as king over all who belong to Him by faith (see notes on Matt. 5:3, 10). All believers are in that spiritual kingdom, yet are waiting to enter into the full inheritance of it in the age to come. People who are characterized by these iniquities are not saved (v. 10). See notes on 1 John 3:9, 10. While believers can and do commit these sins, they do not characterize them as an unbroken life pattern. When they do, it demonstrates that the person is not in God’s kingdom. True believers who do sin, resent that sin and seek to gain the victory over it (cf. Rom. 7:14–25). fornicators. All who indulge in sexual immorality, but particularly unmarried persons. idolaters. Those who worship any false god or follow any false religious system. adulterers. Married persons who indulge in sexual acts outside their marriage. homosexuals … sodomites. These terms refer to those who exchange and corrupt normal male-female sexual roles and relations. Transvestism, sex changes, and other gender perversions are included (cf. Gen. 1:27; Deut. 22:5). Sodomites are so-called because the sin of male-male sex dominated the city of Sodom (Gen. 18:20; 19:4, 5). This sinful perversion is condemned always, in any form, by Scripture (cf. Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Rom. 1:26, 27; 1 Tim. 1:10).

6:10 thieves … covetous. Both are guilty of the same basic sin of greed. Those who are covetous desire what belongs to others; thieves actually take it. revilers. People who try to destroy others with words. extortioners. Swindlers and embezzlers who steal indirectly, taking unfair advantage of others for their own financial gain." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1736). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

"The truth is that a breakdown of the family leads to death of both society and eventually humanity. And a man is the only possible leader, in general, of a family. Thus, once the men are out of the family, there won't be families."

Yes. The father was meant to be the spiritual leader of the family. When this does not happen, the family is destroyed (1 Tim. 4:1–3).

Recommended reading:

Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America by Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson

"...[M]en can't respect a woman, and a woman can't love a man."

One in Christ can love (Eze 36:26, 1 Jn 4:7, 1 Co 13:8).

"The good news is that most men will love their wives and families and won't lead them off a cliff."

Mostly (1 Ti 5:8, KJV).

"Men are told to "man up" but women are never told to "mother up" like they should."

Tit 2:3-5


Gavin McInnes did recently. Pr 31

Tamara Holder will say she meant nothing by saying "Jesus" (Mt 12:36)--and that will be the point (1 Pe 4:5).

Response to comment [from other]: [Whoremongers] "They certainly do not deserve chaste women ... they deserve a carbon copy of themselves."

One politician here in Colorado said that A's tend to pick A's, B's choose B's, C's--C's ... and so on. Pr 18:22, 31, 1 Co 6:9-10

Response to comment [from other]: "...[Y]ou are one of the last people to dictate what would make women happier as you're a bygone misogynist relic and have no clue at all. The Victorian era and before passed long since and your draconian views of women departed with them."



How's that Great Britain working out for you?

"Today we have the new morality. It's not new and it's not moral." ~ Adrian Rogers 1 Tim. 2:9

"There was an African prince who came to England and was presented to Her Majesty Queen Victoria. This prince asked a very significant question, “What is the secret of England’s greatness?” The queen got a beautifully bound copy of the Bible and presented it to the prince with this statement, “This is the secret of England’s greatness.” I wonder, friend, if England’s decline to a second-rate and then third-rate nation may be tied up in the fact that England has gotten away from the Word of God." ~ J. Vernon McGee

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [To another member] "All you've shown is that younger women are more mobile. Their lack of fear to get out of a bad relationship is a plus for their future families..."

Lack of fear of God (Pr 9:10). When she enters into a covenant, God expects her to keep her vow (Matt. 19:5) until death (Rom. 7:2, 3). If she tosses her husband out like a piece of garbage and marries another, she has made herself adulteress (Lk 16:18A). She has made her husband an adulterer (Lk 16:18B).


"They know they will still be a catch in the next ten years."

A catch damaged goods Lk 16:18

You will catch God's attention for disobedience (Heb 13:4).

"...They aren't stuck yet. Stuck for stuck's sake is bad."

Is 5:20, Mt 19:6

"...An 8% divorce rate in later life only indicates that they are either dying before they can switch, or they are scared of change. So they stay unhappy. Their expectations have fallen.... they are no catch anymore, so they cling desperately to the hope of a family in late life; as even a rotten one is better than being alone and extra vulnerable as an old lonely singleton to the plot twists in life."

Plot twists serial adultery Heb 13:4

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Your view of older women is truly sad. You imply that woman in there late 20's and 30's have somehow become undesirable and worse, they begin to see themselves as failures. How dare you. You should be ashamed of yourself."

Are many 40 year old women selling skin cream? Our culture idolizes youth and beauty. 1 Sa 16:7, Pr 31

Response to comment [from a Christian]: Livin' On Love ~ Alan Jackson

2 Co 6:14, Mt 22:39, 1 Co 13:8

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Yep, it sure does. When I was a kid I listened to a lot of John Denver..."

Wasn't he a pothead? Re 9:21

"...Still do as a matter of fact.  There are a couple of lines from his songs that have always stuck with me and kind of formed my views on aging.  From, "Poems, Prayers and Promises" ... it turns me on to think of growing old... Because of this line, I have never feared growing old."


Ge 2:18, Pr 18:22

"Sadly, what you say is all too true. I have started to gray and I am getting urged to do something about it.  It makes me sad because I don't mind turning gray yet it bothers my bride."

Lev 19:32

Study: marriage more beneficial for men than women

Divorce and death: forty years of the Charleston Heart Study

Response to comment [from a pinko commie]: "I think he will say maturity but will not define it in any way but ambiguous."

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things (1 Co 13:11).

Response to comment [from other]: "How do you interpret "she shall be saved in childbearing?"

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety [1 Tim. 2:13–15].

"It was the sin of Eve that brought sin into the world. Now every time a woman bears a child, she brings a sinner into the world—that is all she can bring into the world. But Mary brought the Lord Jesus, the Savior into the world. So how are women saved? By childbearing—because Mary brought the Savior into the world. Don’t ever say that woman brought sin into the world, unless you are prepared to add that woman also brought the Savior into the world. My friend, no man provided a Savior: a woman did. However, each individual woman is saved by faith, the same as each man is saved by faith. She is to grow in love and holiness just as a man is." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (1 and 2 Timothy/Titus/Philemon) (electronic ed., Vol. 50, pp. 45–46). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Good religion (Jas 1:27) starts at home (2 Tim. 1:5; 2 Tim. 3:15).

"I don't believe the commentary is perfectly good theology, even if the sentiment is warm.  Problem is, no baby is born a sinner..."

Ps 51:5

Response to comment [from a pinko commie]: "...[W]omen are usually the more irrational gender."

Job 2:10

Response to comment [from other]:  [Intelligence study] "Uh oh."

Battle of the sexes. Gal. 3:28

She is subject to him (Gen. 3:16). He is to understand her (1 Pe 3:7).


Response to comment [from a Christian]: "What are the qualifications for marriage?"

Don't marry another to improve your behavior. Jn 3:19, Mk 3:25, Re 22:11

Response to comment [from a pinko commie]: "Life based experience = half baked crap. Sociological theory held to strongly without cause= wisdom That's why the western world is messed up."
Studies are useless (Jer. 8:9).


Response to comment [from a pagan]: "...All my adult life I wanted to find a man like the father that raised me. In my mind that is what I wanted. However, I found myself constantly attracted to a different kind of man. What I found out last year, is that the type of man I was always attracted to, against my brains better judgment, were men that were just like my biological father (not the man that raised me). I just find it interesting a bit of a nature vs. nurture thing right there."

Women find men like their dad /biological sperm donor (Nu 14:18, 2 Chr. 33:22, 23).

Response to comment [from a Christian]:



You are quoting the article.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "It is a good idea to start a marriage with an idea of how many kids you want and when. It will probably change as time goes by but it is good to be on the same page at the start of your journey."

The most important thing is to marry a true blue Christian (2 Co 6:14, Am 3:3).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Abuse in marriage]

If there is physical abuse, she must learn to defend herself (e.g. martial arts). He will be held accountable for his actions before God. 1 Pe 3:7, Mt 5:27–32 Real men don't hit women.

Response to comment [from other]: "Just don't forget that if a woman initiates physical violence, she's no longer a woman."

Is that your excuse to hit a woman? Real men don't hit women.

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." ~ Saul Alinsky

Response to comment [from other]:  [Marriage and Divorce] "Different actions require different responses."

The pope would agree with you. Matt. 19:6, Rom. 7:2, 3

Maybe you could put his picture on your wall like the CathOlics.


Response to comment [to other]: [Hitting a woman] "What? You wouldn't defend yourself if a woman attacked you?"

It's an obvious statement with which every gentleman would agree.

[Real men don't hit women] "Then you'd agree that if one never hits a woman, but a woman initiates physical violence, then she's no longer a woman."

Do you hit women? 

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  "I would never agree with such poorly formed logic and reasoning. Just because a woman is moved to a physical response doesn't mean she ceases to be a woman. Indeed, the "attack" may be warranted in certain circumstances."

Women fought to be treated dishonorably--and so they are. If a woman has an explosive device strapped to her body--sure, take her out. That is not the norm. Pr 31

Response to comment [from other]:  [Do you hit women?] "Do you mean to be this divisive?"

It's a simple question.

"...How about "coming at you with a hammer"? [W]ould that be enough reason to respond with violence?"

Has a lady come at you with a hammer recently?

[Do you hit women? ] "Why are you like that?"



Do you hit people not like yourself?

[Do you hit women?  ] "C'mon SD, we can dialogue so stop changing the subject and stonewalling."



Response to comment [from other]:


1PeaceMaker View Post

I don't think everyone has the same physiological/emotional capacity for polygamy.

Hence, it defies belief for many that it's even possible.

And for this reason no one should merely assume they are automatically qualified for it, even if they are qualified for marriage.

We know that people are capable of great evil (2 Sa 12:9, Jer 17:9). Are you a polygamist?


1PeaceMaker View Post

The "her" was me, suggesting polygamy to him 9 years ago.

Ex. 20:14, 1 Kin. 11:1–4

"No. But why does it matter if I am, seeing that I support it?"

"Polygamy—having more than one wife:  ...Contrary to:  God’s original Law (Gen. 2:24), Ideal picture of marriage (Ps. 128:1–6), God’s commandment (Ex. 20:14), God’s equal distribution of the sexes (Gen. 1:27; 1 Cor. 7:2), Relationship between Christ and the Church (Eph. 5:22–33); Productive of:  Dissension (Gen. 16:1–6), Discord (1 Sam. 1:6), Degeneracy (1 Kin. 11:1–4)." Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 495). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

"Didn't answer my question..."

You're welcome (Rom. 12:20, Is 55:11).

"But anyway...Those verses are being misused."

"Every verse of the Bible means exactly what the author intended it to mean..." Full text: How to Interpret the Bible by Darrell Ferguson Eph 4:14

See:

Hermeneutics

The biblical word you are looking for is debauchery (Wisd of Sol 14:26, Ro 13:13, Tit 1:6 NRSV).

"I've added another reason men won't marry you (women who aren't married)--a lack of polygamy."

All don't want to be civilized. Women like yourself (2 Chr. 11:23, Pr 30:20) support wicked men in this venture (Matt. 13:38, 1 Co 6:9-10).

Response to comment [from a Christian]:  [To 1PeaceMaker] "...I am a woman and I chose the man I married first because I loved him madly and secondly, because he promised to love, honor and care for me and me alone....[Faithfulness] My husband was one of them. There are things in this life worth dying for..."

The Leftist anthem (e.g. Imagine ~ John Lennon) doesn't include these sentiments (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).

"While your heart is bleeding blood the arrow is pouring out love." Jer 31:3 ~ Charles Stanley

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I would rather be single than be in a polygamous marriage.  I am widowed and would not want to be in a polygamous marriage."

God enables you to live in purity (Mt 19:11). You are of course free to marry if you so choose (Rom. 7:2, 3). God will give you the desires of your heart (Ps 37:4).

Response to comment [from other]: [Ask Yorzhik a question] "Why do this to him?...[H]ave you ever emotionally abused another person?"

A polygamist asks me if I have ever emotionally abused another person? Pr 23:7, 1 Co 6:18, Ro 8:33 Would you consider telling another the truth emotional abuse, polygamist? Ac 20:20

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Polygamist] "Oh my goodness. I don't think I even want to read what that poster is saying..."

Vile (Is. 47:10, Pr 30:20).

See:

PeaceMakingPolygamst


"God gives instruction on how to be a proper polygamist man..."


Ge 2:24, Ex 20:14, Mt 5:17-18

See:

Ps 128:1-6 McGee, MacArthur

"There are two things wrong with your post:  ...I am not a polygamist..."

Let the reader decide (Pr 23:7).

"...and I answered this."

What freak cult do you belong to? 2 Chr. 11:23

"I'm one of the 1/7 of Americans that currently believe polygamy is not immoral."

Gals like yourself keep 'em in business. Ex 23:2, Mt 7:14, Pr 30:20

"So unless you want to redefine the word to fit a whole 1/7 of America..."

If I'm the last American standing, I'm standing (Eph 6:13).

"...instead of about 100,000 souls, leave me out of the definition."


Do you still know how to blush? Ex 20:14

[Emotionally abusiveness of others] "...You almost seem to be answering me indirectly, but then the answer would be yes..."

Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:20

You would come to the conclusion that I am emotionally (Ac 20:20) and physically abusive (Pr 13:24).

"...so you have to think about why you would answer by turning a verbal club on me for bringing up Matt 7:12..."

Matt. 12:36, 37

You think you're doing the world a favor by helping perverts spread their Abrahamic seed around. You're not.

"Now the so–called Golden Rule comes right in here—

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets [Matt. 7:12].

All right, when you meet somebody new, how are you going to treat him? You don’t know—you are not to judge—but if he is a dog or a swine, you had better know.  You have to beware of phonies today. So what do you do? Make it a matter of prayer. “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.”  This is the principle on which you should operate. “Therefore” is the most important word in the Golden Rule. It relates the Golden Rule to that which precedes it. That is, it postulates it on prayer. It all comes together in one package. Don’t lift out the Golden Rule and say that you live by it. Understand what the Lord is talking about. Only as we “ask, seek, and knock” are we able to live in the light of the Golden Rule." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 1-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 34, pp. 102–103). Nashville:  Thomas Nelson.

"Would you consider telling another the truth [about?] emotional abuse, polygamist?"

You misquote me (Eph 4:14).

Would you consider telling another the truth emotional abuse, polygamist? Ac 20:20

Telling another the truth is called love not abuse (Ac 20:20).

"Not only have I; I did on this thread."

No one is asking you for personal information. You've revealed your dark heart plenty (1 Jn 5:19). Where do I go to scrub my brain? Luke 5:14, 15, Phil 4:8, Pr 4:23

"What would you like to know..."

No more, please (Eph. 6:16; 1 John 2:13).

Response to comment [from a Christian]:

[Do you hit women? ] "Serpentdove, Could you answer this question?: "If a woman has an explosive device strapped to her body--sure, take her out." Does it have to be an explosive device? How about "coming at you with a hammer"? would that be enough reason to respond with violence?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' would do."



Where would you hit said woman?

[Do you hit women? ] "So you approve of hitting women if you hit them in the right place..."



Real men don't hit women.
Response to comment [from other]: [ ] "Do you see what you are doing here?"

I'm emotionally abusing you (Ac 20:20).

"I left a freak cult because they were in the habit of breaking up polygamous families when they converted them."

Ga 5:9



"It's wrong to wreck children's homes and put asunder what God has joined."

Keep your seed and your asunder to yourself (Gen. 2:18–24, Heb 13:9).

"Why? Do you violate Matt 7:12? Do you falsely accuse others or stir up division in the Body?" 

You're no blushing bride (Jer. 3:3, Rev. 19:7, 8).  

"Would you consider calling me a polygamist truthful?"

No (Pr 23:7, Mt 5:28).

See:

PeaceMakingPerv

"I was offering what I thought you were asking for, a definition of abuse." 

Our definitions differ (2 Co 6:14).

Jesus loves you (
Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

[I'm emotionally abusing you (Ac 20:20). ] "Let's see if that's the truth:  Was it malice or love that motivated your response to me?"

Ps 139:22

"What's the most important thing in all the universe? Relationships." ~ Bob Enyart
"All children are of the kingdom."
Where did you get that idea? Jn 8:44 Your days are numbered (Prov. 21:10).

"We are trying to determine if you are an abuser."
You've  made that determination.
"I can withdraw my question if you withdraw yours to Yorzhik..."
He does not care to answer the question: Do you hit women?  
[Perv' page] "I recommend you either make the context more accurate or delete that..."] "I recommend you either make the context more accurate or delete that..."
Those are your exact words.  
"...The lack of context is confusing to the reader, I believe."
The reader may click on the link to read the complete discussion.  
[Definition of abuse] "Let's examine that. Examinations determine who is in the faith and who is wanting."
You're defending a man who is having a hard time answering the question: Do you hit women?  
"Jesus loves you."
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). 
Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). 
"I hope you keep that in mind when you accuse me, then."
Jonah and his plant get a bad rap (Jon 4:9).  Those Ninevites likely raped his sister and murdered his family.  The plant never did that. 
Jesus is willing to save you. 
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). 
Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9).
"In your mind, is that predicated on me agreeing with you about polygamy, because I don't see polygamy mentioned..."
Come as the reprobate you are (1 Cor. 9:24–27).  

"Repent[.]"
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). 
Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30).
"From what? I've done my repenting of unbelief..."

1 Jn 1:6
"Believe."
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14). 
Believe (Mk 9:23).
"I do..."
"If you can sin, you're not God's child. You can fool everybody else but you can't fool him." ~ J. Vernon McGee

[Matt 5:44]

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you [Matt. 5:43–44].


"This rule, I insist, is for the Kingdom. The Lord Jesus lifts the Mosaic Law to the nth degree. He says that in the Kingdom the enemy is to be loved instead of hated.

The believer today operates on a different principle. We are commanded to love all believers, and we express our love to our enemies by getting the gospel to them, giving them the message of God’s saving grace that is able to bring them to heaven." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 1-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 34, p. 85). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"You seem to be claiming both that I am your enemy (I dispute)..."

Eph 5:11

"...and that you should hate me."

[Edited notes: Enyart] God loves and God hates: Esau I have hated. Mal 1:3

God hates all workers of iniquity...The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man. Ps 5:5-6

The wicked and the one who loves violence, God hates. Ps 11:5

The face of the Lord is against those who do evil. Ps 34:16

God loves righteousness and hates wickedness. Ps 45:7

These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren. Pr 6:16–19

For as [a man] thinketh in his heart, so is he. Pr 23:7

All their wickedness is in Gilgal,
For there I hated them.
Because of the evil of their deeds
I will drive them from My house;
I will love them no more. Ho 9:15

Jesus said: "Judge with righteous judgment." Jn 7:24

The apostle Paul said we have the mind of Christ. He who is spiritual judges all things. I'm ashamed of you because you're not judging. 1 Co 2:15-16

Moses wrote of God; God said, if you do not obey me my soul shall abhor you. Lev 26:15

Paul writes inspired by the Holy Spirit. Let love be without hypocrisy. Hate evil. Ro 12:9: If you don't hate evil than your love is hypocrisy.

Should you love those who hate the Lord; therefore, the wrath of the Lord is upon you. 2 Chron 19:2

Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed. Pr 27:5

Faithful are the wounds of a friend. Pr 27:6

Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall. Pr 16:18

Bring here these enemies of mine, who did not want me to rule over them, and slay them before me (Lk 19:27). 


"Are you claiming you have a moral obligation to literally abuse me?"

You defend a man who has difficulty affirming the statement: Real men don't hit women. Have a discussion with him.

"Sometimes we must comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable." ~ David Jeremiah 

[Where did you get the idea that we are all God's children? Jn 8:44] "Matt 19:14"

Be as a child not a battered woman (1 Cor. 11:28–32).

"You removed the scripture from my quote[.]"

You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).

"You can't marry your words to the Bible..."

Tit 2:15, Lk 9:26

See:

PeaceMakingPolygamist

"Will you admit you only wrote to me because you love me?"

Eph 5:11

You love me The Mask

[God loves and God hates: Esau I have hated. Mal 1:3] "Romans 5:8"

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us [Rom. 5:8].

"He died for you and me. That is where God revealed His love. And God doesn’t save us by love. He now saves us by grace because the guilt of sin has been removed by the death of Christ, and He can hold out His arms and save you today." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (Romans 1-8) (electronic ed., Vol. 42, pp. 93–94). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"You should love me. Jesus told you to. (love your enemies)..."

Am 5:15

You should love me Picard Star Trek

"If Jesus can love me (you said he did) then so can you. WWJD."

What has Jesus said? Repent (Ac 8:22).

[You defend a man who has difficulty affirming the statement: Real men don't hit women. Have a discussion with him.] "You believe in self defense. Therefore your position looks like hypocrisy. He asked about self defense."

Real men affirm the statement: Real men don't hit women (1 Pe 3:7).

See:

PeaceMakingPolygamist

"If God didn't love sinners there would be no hope of salvation." 

God loves you.  He will live without you if you do not repent (Ac 17:30). 

[Ac 8:22] "[I]t looks like you need to read Ac 8:22 and apply it to yourself." 

Intensional Eph 4:14 

"I've been trying to help you avoid self-condemnation..." 

You have no moral authority polygamist (Ro 8:33).

See:

Should Christians Judge?

PeaceMakingPolygamist

Response to comment [from other]: "This is a sick, twisted thread. I can't wait until it goes away."

Disturbing.

Response to comment [from other]: "Here is an unbiased source that discusses real issues including the failure that teens set themselves up for by marrying so young..."

The age that a couple gets married is irrelevant. Marrying a Christian is what matters. (2 Co 6:14).

People who married between ages 22-25 report having happiest marriages

Judge jails kids for refusing lunch with abuser dad

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [To another member]: "Still on you bro, for lacking spiritual leadership..."

He is the source not the head. She is to submit to him. He is to submit to her (1 Co 7:4).

See:

Kephalē and “Male Headship” in Paul’s Letters: The Metaphorical Meanings of “Head” in Paul’s Letters: Part One

I have a question about Deuteronomy 22:13-22...

Response to comment [from other]: "It must be recess time."

Take your respective corners.



Intermission

Response to comment [from other]:  [Women]

He prophesied that she would look to her husband rather than to God (Ge 3:16).
Why men won't marry you