Why men won't marry you
[Why men won't marry you by Suzanne Venker mentioned on Dennis Prager radio
6 May 15] "Where
have all the husbands gone?
That’s a question Peter Lloyd tackles in a series in
London’s Daily Mail about Britain’s marriage rate, which is at its lowest level
since 1895. “The state of matrimony is not just ailing. It is dying out faster
than a mobile phone battery,” Lloyd writes. “For an army of women, Mr. Right is
simply not there, no matter how hard they look for him.”
Things are no better this side of the Atlantic.
According to Pew Research Center, the share of American adults who’ve never been
married is at an historic high—and men are more likely than women to have never
made it down the aisle (23% vs. 17% in 2012).
There was a time when wives respected their husbands.
There was a time when wives took care of their husbands as they expected their
husbands to take care of them.
What gives? Why are men here and abroad avoiding the
altar in spades?
1. Because they can: Men used to marry to have sex and
a family. They married for love, too, but they had to marry the girl before
taking her to bed, or at least work really, really hard to wear her down. Those
days are gone.
When more women make themselves sexually available,
the pool of marriageable men diminishes. “In a world where women do not say no,
the man is never forced to settle down and make serious choices,” writes George
Gilder, author of "Men and Marriage."
Scoff if you wish. Call me a fuddy-duddy. But how’s
that new plan working out?
2. Because there’s nothing in it for them: What
exactly does marriage offer men today? “Men know there’s a good chance they’ll
lose their friends, their respect, their space, their sex life, their money and
— if it all goes wrong — their family,” says Helen Smith, Ph.D., author of "Men
on Strike." “They don’t want to enter into a legal contract with someone who
could effectively take half their savings, pension and property when the
honeymoon period is over.Men aren’t wimping out by staying unmarried or being
commitment phobes. They’re being smart.”
Unlike women, men lose all power after they say “I
do.” Their masculinity dies, too.
What’s left of it, that is. In the span of just a few
decades, America has demoted men from respected providers and protectors of the
family to superfluous buffoons. Today’s sitcoms and commercials routinely paint
a portrait of the idiot husband whose wife is smarter and more capable than he.
There was a time when wives respected their husbands.
There was a time when wives took care of their husbands as they expected their
husbands to take care of them.
Or perhaps therein lies the rub. If women no longer
expect or even want men to “take care of” them — since women can do everything
men can do and better, thank you very much, feminism — perhaps the flipside is
the assumption that women don’t need to take care of husbands, either. And if no
one’s taking care of anyone, why the hell marry?
For women, the reason is obvious: kids. Eventually
most women decide they want children, no matter how long they put it off to
focus on their careers. So they often nab the best guy they can find, usually
the one with whom they’re currently sleeping, and convince him to get married.
If the man refuses, we call him, as Smith notes, a
“commitment phobe.” But is that fair? Perhaps these men know all too well that
women initiate the vast majority of divorces — anywhere from 65-90 percent,
depending on demographics. And when they do, they take the kids with them and
hang hubby out to dry with the help of a court system that’s heavily stacked in
their favor. In the past, Mom got the kids because she was home with them doing
the thankless, unpaid, mountainous work associated with that role. Today,
neither parent is home, so there’s no reason the default custodial parent should
be Mom.
So remind me, why would a man marry today?
No, really. What’s in it for him?"
Article Heb 13:4
Response to comment [from a Buddhist]: "Perhaps we should adopt sharia law? That'll show those headstrong women!"
Because our culture is superior to theirs (Lk 17:26).
See:
Disposable Culture
Response to comment [from a Buddhist]: "...And to think my dad used to make $2.25 an hour and my mom was a homemaker..."
1 Pe 3:7, Pr 31
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered. Like wise humans give honor and submit to God as the " weaker-needing" vessel. Giving honor to our wife is taking care of her, protecting her, and loving her as the weaker vessel thus Glorifying God. The wife knowing that God has given the man authority, ( not a dictator) over the woman. let's the husband have the final say as the authority. And men you better be doing this and doing this with Gods love for your wife. Thus, the man honor's such a woman, and in this honor, the man recognizes the extreme responsibility he has been given in this authority."
All will give an account (Deut. 10:18, 1 Pe 4:5).
"Yes indeed. Everyone of us my friend."
Let's get to work (1 Co 9:26, NLT).
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
"Seriously though, I do wonder how many men would marry under sane
divorce laws."
You aren't permitted to sue your brethren
--much
less your own wife.
You husbands...live with your wives in an understanding way (1 Pe 3:7,
NASB).
Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law
against one another (1 Co 6:7).
"You're not without your point..."
The author's point.
"...[B]ut I'd like to add a bit to
this. There are men that women love."
"I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is."
~ Forrest, Forrest Gump
"There are men that women want to
marry."
People don't know whether to expect love or hate (Eccl 9:1).
See:
Disposable Culture
Response to comment [from a Buddhist]:
Reminds me of an old saying, 'why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free.'
You speaking for the ladies?
Recommend reading:
The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney
Recommended sites:
Christian
Divorce and Remarriage
Permanence of Marriage Until Death Walking by the Spirit Always
Disposable Culture
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "The men I love are not
pigs."
Ge 9:6, Eccl. 7:29
Response to comment [from a Christian]: "Good thread.
Marriage has been secularly reduced to a legal contract.
Survivorship benefits are a very important part of the contract.
Even Christians who genuinely believe in Christ have fallen for
modern, artificial ideals generated and guided and informed by legal
conclusions drawn from the marriage legal contract. People seem to
be making decisions about marriage based upon the characteristics of
the contract, rather than on what our Creator intend's and desires
and instruct's us."
The world makes it up as they go along (2 Ti 3:13). That doesn't
make it so (Ps 68:5, Heb 13:4).
Recommend reading:
The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney
Recommended sites:
Christian
Divorce and Remarriage
Permanence of Marriage Until Death Walking by the Spirit Always
Alleged is right (Lk 6:46).
This debates goes back to Cain and Abel (Heb 11:4). You'll do it
your way or you'll do it God's way (Pr 16:25).
“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to
God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end,
"Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without
that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously
and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek
find. Those who knock it is opened.” ~ C.S. Lewis, The Great
Divorce
My Way ~ Frank Sinatra
The apostle Paul said that there are advantages to remaining
single.
"1 Co 7:7 as I myself. As a single person, Paul recognized
the special freedom and independence he had to serve Christ
(see notes on vv. 32–34). But he did not expect all
believers to be single, nor all who were single to stay that
way, nor all who were married to act celibate as if they
were single. gift from God. Both singleness and marriage are
God’s gracious gifts...
7:32, 33 be without care. A single person is free from
concern about the earthly needs of a spouse and therefore
potentially better able to set himself apart exclusively for
the Lord’s work.
7:33 things of the world. These are earthly matters
connected to the passing system (v. 31).
7:33, 34 how he may please his wife … husband. Here is a
basic and expected principle for a good marriage—each
seeking to please the other.
7:34 The first part of this verse is preferably rendered in
some manuscripts, “and his interests are divided. And the
woman who is unmarried and the virgin.…” This is important
because it distinguishes clearly between the “unmarried” and
“virgins,” who, therefore, can’t be the same. “Virgins” are
single people never married, while “unmarried” must be
single by divorce. Widows is the term for those made single
by death (see note on v. 8).
7:35 Marriage does not prevent great devotion to the Lord,
but it brings more potential matters to interfere with it.
Singleness has fewer hindrances, though not guaranteed
greater spiritual virtue. distraction. See notes on vv. 26,
29, 33...
7:26 present distress. An unspecified, current calamity.
Perhaps Paul anticipated the imminent Roman persecutions
which began within 10 years after this epistle was written.
remain as he is. Persecution is difficult enough for a
single person to endure, but problems and pain are
multiplied for those who are married, especially if they
have children...
7:29 time is short. Human life is brief (cf. James 4:14; 1
Pet. 1:24). as though they had none. This does not teach
that marriage is no longer binding or treated with
seriousness (cf. Eph. 5:22–33; Col. 3:18, 19), nor should
there be any physical deprivation (vv. 3–5); but Paul is
teaching that marriage should not at all reduce one’s
devotion to the Lord and service to Him (cf. Col. 3:2). He
means to keep the eternal priority (see v. 31)..."
MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible
(electronic ed., p. 1740). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
That's the way it's supposed to be. A credit to you.
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an
understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the
weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the
grace of life (1 Pe 3:7A, ESV).
He that hath found a good wife, hath found a good
thing, and shall receive a pleasure from the Lord.
He that driveth away a good wife, driveth away a
good thing: but he that keepeth an adulteress, is
foolish and wicked (Pr 18:22, DRB).
[My way (e.g. humanism)
]
"Amen, brother."
Men are part of the solution or they are part of the problem (Mt 12:30).
He's blessed (Pr 18:22).
All-American Girl
~ Carrie Underwood
A few housekeeping items:
Please place the article in it's own quotes
not quotes attributed to me. I do not happen
to agree with the author.
[From the article] "...Because there’s nothing in it for them: What exactly does marriage offer men today?"
There's nothing in it for them?
You don't get married for what you can get
(Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You get married for
what you can give (Ac 20:35).
Response to
comment [from a Christian]: [Not my writing]
"Whoa... I positive repped you and you don't
agree with the OP? I feel cheated. The OP is
worthy to be nominated POTY."
A few
housekeeping items:
Ask admin to delete (I don't read them,
fyi).
[You don't get married for what you can get (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You get married for what you can give (Ac 20:35).] "That sounds great, but not great enough for me and others to sign up for a suicide mission..."
Many should not marry (1
Pe 3:7, ESV).
Response to comment [from a
Catholic]: [Another member presumes
to know her life, men have been evil
toward her] "I'm done with dishonest
people."
You know your life better than
anyone else (Prov.
18:13).
Response to comment from a
Christian]: [To her] "You lack even
a little bit of a heart for Christ
or realism."
You don't know how close or far she
is from the kingdom (Lk
11:9).
Response to comment [from other]:
[Site down] "I guess my other posts
got lost in the recent DB event.
Anyhow, this article is spot on. The
chances of a good marriage are not
good enough to risk it. Men are wise
to avoid marriage in the US."
Some of your comments may be
preserved
here.
Neither men nor women are
protected in our culture (Heb
13:4,
Mt 24:37).
"From God?"
From the Just-a-System (Am
8:5,
Mt 19:6). We are protected (Ps
23). The wicked are not (Ga
6:7). We are able to claim
promises of blessing. They are not.
"...The point is that men are being
called "adolescents" by our
culture..."
That is unique to our culture. In
the past men wanted to mature and
support a wife and children (Pr
18:22).
"...[W]hen the decision to not get
married is mature and rational."
If a man cannot live in
understanding with a woman, he
should not marry (1
Pe 3:7, ESV).
"The decision to not get married
shows that men are mature."
Dennis Prager has said that a man is
not a man until he takes care of a
woman. Marriage matures an
individual.
"It
also shows they'd rather get married
if it would do any good."
It's supposed to lead to happiness (Gen.
2:18).
Response to comment [from a Pinko
Commie]:
"You are lamenting the
reluctance of men to marry these
days..."
Proof please. I have no dog in this fight. Get married or don't get married. There are benefits to marriage (Ge 2:18) and there are benefits to singleness (1 Co 7:7).
"...and
yet I read some comments from you
last year which indicated there are
restrictions you place on whom can
marry..."
I don't place restrictions on
individuals.
God does. One day he will rule and
reign (Rev.
20:1–10).
See:
Disposable Culture
"...[W]hom
that are based on bigotry in my
opinion."
Then you must be on the Left.
Eccl 10:2,
Jn 10:10
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "Prager clearly has no
real argument. If he did he'd be
presenting that argument rather than
saying you're not a man unless you
live the way I want you to."
He's a behaviorist (Pr
16:25,
Jud 11).
He believes he's a good person (Ro
3:12).
"Literally, he's saying that since
you have a penis, you are less than
human if you don't sign a marriage
contract no matter how nonsensical
the legal contract is."
He grew up believing that a male
is not a man until he cares
for someone. You disagree.
"If
you went to buy a cell phone and the
salesman pulls out a contract and
says you aren't a man unless you
sign it, would you sign it?"
I don't believe he argues that
single men are freaks.
"Being called an adolescent because
you won't marry is like being called
a doody head in a debate. It's
a sign the person on the other side
has no real argument or point.
If they did, they'd be making that
argument rather than calling you an
adolescent or doody head."
I don't think Prager would call
another a doody head in a
debate on this topic.
He believes that he provides a
community service when he airs his
male/female hour. He rejects
Mt 5:28.
"If
you are going to go that route as
being literal...[D]o you have any
historical or extra-biblical
evidence that early Christians
plucked out their eyes or cut off
their hands for merely thinking
about something?"
Ye have heard that it was said by
them of old time, Thou shalt not
commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever
looketh on a woman to lust after her
hath committed adultery with her
already in his heart [Matt.
5:27–28].
"For many years I have publicly made
the statement that nobody but the
Lord Jesus has ever kept the Law.
One Sunday morning I repeated it in
my message, and afterward a big,
burly, red–faced fellow came to me
and said, “You always say that
nobody keeps the Law. I want you to
know that I keep the Law!” By the
way, he belonged to a cult although
he attended services at the church I
pastored. Since he claimed to keep
the Law, I said, “All right, let’s
look at it,” and I showed him verse
22 regarding hatred being the same
as murder. He said that he kept
that, although I don’t believe that
he did. So I gave him verse 28 and
said,“It says here that if you so
much as look upon a woman to lust
after her, you have committed
adultery. Now look me straight in
the eye and tell me that you have
never done that.” He was red–faced
to begin with, but you should have
seen him then—he was really
red–faced. He grunted some sort of
epithet, turned on his heels, and
walked out. Of course, he walked
out! And I say to you, if you are
honest, you will not claim to be
keeping the Law. Remember that there
were ten commandments. Although
Matthew mentions only these two that
Christ dealt with, I am of the
opinion that He lifted all ten of
them to the nth degree.
Oh, my friend, the Sermon on the
Mount shows me that I have sinned
and that I need to come to Him for
mercy and help. To say that you are
living by the Sermon on the Mount
while all the time you are breaking
it is to declare that the Law is not
important." McGee, J. V. (1991).
Thru the Bible commentary: The
Gospels (Matthew 1-13) (electronic
ed., Vol. 34, pp. 80–81). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
"Mt
5:29 pluck it out and cast it
from you. Jesus was not advocating
self-mutilation (for this would not
in fact cure lust, which is actually
a problem of the heart). He was
using this graphic hyperbole to
demonstrate the seriousness of sins
of lust and evil desire. The point
is that it would be “more
profitable” (v. 30) to lose a member
of one’s own body than to bear the
eternal consequences of the guilt
from such a sin. Sin must be dealt
with drastically because of its
deadly effects." MacArthur, J., Jr.
(Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study
Bible (electronic ed., p. 1401).
Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
"Then you have to wrap your head
around whether or not our actual
bodies will be cast into hell.
I don't know of many people that
believe that."
You will be given a body fit for
heaven or fit for hell. Your
choice. Hell is described as
everlasting fire (Matt. 25:41),
everlasting punishment, everlasting
destruction (2 Thess. 1:9).
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: [Matt. 5:27–28] "So you
agree with that statement being
hyperbole?"
Are you hoping Jesus does not mean
what he says?
Mt 5:20
See:
Pillar Placement: Know Your Load
by Darrell Ferguson
Response to comment [from a
Catholic]: [Keeping the law]
"Not! Moses kept the law most of the
time..."
Mostly (Ro
3:20).
Mostly ~ Eric Cartman
Response
to comment [from a Christian]:
"...I'm proud to say that here in
the US, the laws of the old
testament aren't law."
Matt. 12:36,
37
Response
to comment [from a Christian]:
"The decision to not get married
shows that men are mature. It also
shows they'd rather get married if
it would do any good."
Just steer
clear
of Succubuses (Pr 31).
Keep Going! You're Good! ~ Spongebob
Response
to comment [from a Messianic Jew]:
"... Across the board, we are so
morally loose it's ridiculous!"
They
were as fed horses in the morning:
every one neighed after his
neighbour’s wife [Jer.
5:8].
"What is the big sin in our nation
today? It is sexual sin, only we
don’t call it that. We call it “the
new morality.” But God still calls
adultery sin. In fact He uses
sarcasm of the first water: He says,
“Every man is neighing like a horse
for his neighbor’s wife.” What a
picture of our contemporary
culture!" McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru
the Bible commentary: The Prophets
(Jeremiah/Lamentations) (electronic
ed., Vol. 24, pp. 46–47). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "...Feminism has made
women extremely fearful of having a
man tell her what to do. That is
what the article said was women's
contribution to the decline in
marriage."
Yes. They fought to be treated like
whores
and now they are treated like
whores.
Ro 1:26
Related:
Dirty Old Dave
Back When ~ Tim McGraw
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: [
] "Serpentgirl, what is this pole
dancing...gif ?"
A dirty ho (Pr
30:20,
1 Pet. 3:1–7).
[Proverbs 30:20] "What does she have on her face that she has to wipe her mouth...?
"Pr
30:18–20 Hypocrisy is
illustrated by 4 natural analogies
of concealment: 1) an eagle leaves
no trail in the air; 2) a slithering
snake leaves no trail on the rock;
3) a ship leaves no trail in the
sea; 4) a man leaves no marks after
he has slept with a virgin. These
actions are all concealed and thus
serve to illustrate the hypocrisy of
the adulterous woman who hides the
evidences of her shame while
professing innocence." MacArthur,
J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur
Study Bible (electronic ed., p.
920). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
Lying Eyes ~ The Eagles
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "Or marriage is in
decline for the same reason church
attendance is in decline: a lot of
people entered into both for reasons
unrelated to the fundamental
purpose, which is to say they did so
for social advantage and acceptance,
because it was expected. If you
wanted to be an upright, trusted
businessman or professional and
accepted into social circles that
could advance your standing then you
went to church and, at a certain
age, you married..."
Many want to appear respectable but
they don't want to be respectable.
Mt 23:27, Jas 2:18
See:
Edited notes Empty Words/Empty
Hearts by John MacArthur
"I don't think respectable means
much these days to a great many
people, or it has been conflated
with successful. Or maybe it always
was for a lot of people and once the
expectation of church and marriage
were no longer integral to the
notion of public success they
stopped being meaningful to those
same people. It would seem to
follow."
"Success
is living God's will each day.
Failure is succeeding in the wrong
things." ~ Adrian Rogers
Do right. Risk the consequences (Enyart).
2 Co 7:2
Response to comment [from a
Catholic]: "Marriage isn't for
everyone, and there's nothing wrong
or immature about recognizing this
fact. It's a form of maturity, to
resist "what everyone should do",
and not enter into a marriage for
which one is ill-suited. At worst,
you only ruin your own life, while
an inadvisable marriage can ruin
two."
"I'd
rather be a kid and play with paper
planes, than be a man and play with
a woman's heart." ~ Niall Horan
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "Successful is
a moving target."
Man finds joy the same way he always
has (Matt.
13:44).
Response to comment [from a pagan]:
Notice that women are extremely fearful but men are not fearful but brave. Do women like pussycats because they are Scard-y-cats too? Now you know why men rule the world because they are not fearful.
This entire post is nothing more than bull. Is your ego so fragile that you fear strong independent women? Trust me it says much more about you than women.
"An
habitation giddy and unsure Hath he
that buildeth on the vulgar heart."
~ Shakespeare
Matt. 19:5,
1 Pe 3:7
Response to comment [from a
Christian]:
[Man
finds joy the same way he always has
(Matt.
13:44).]
"Amen. Still, the world's idea of
success is a moving target. For
some, what others perceive as their
success is just smoke and mirrors."
That's the world. We don't like them
(Titus
2:12).
Response to comment [from a
Christian]:
Nothing quite like blowing up a
small segment of the male
population to gargantuan size to
obfuscate a real paranoid fear
feminism instills in women that
causes real and damaging
problems to marriage at large.
Wow, did I hit a nerve, I
didn't realize I "blew up"
anyone other than men who
are weak and refuse to lead
their families/wives. Does
that apply to you?
"Ouch." ~ E.T.
When I became a man, I gave
up my childish ways (1
Co 13:11).
Man Meat ~ Michael, The
Office
[ On the dirty ho watch (Pr 30:20, 1 Pet. 3:1–7). ]
Egyptian Dancer Charged With
‘Inciting Debauchery’
*inappropriate images*
See:
Modest is Hottest
Back When ~ Tim McGraw
The way it should be:
Marine and bride pray
Heb 13:4
Response to comment
[from a Christian]:
"...[T]he current culture
promotes the evil nature in
women, and does not promote
the evil nature in men."
Both genders can choose to
be evil (1
Co 6:9-10,
Mt 24:37). It takes two
to tango.
"1
Co 6:9,
10 This catalog of sins,
though not exhaustive,
represents the major types
of moral sin that
characterize the unsaved.
6:9 not inherit the kingdom.
The kingdom is the spiritual
sphere of salvation where
God rules as king over all
who belong to Him by faith
(see notes on
Matt. 5:3,
10). All believers are
in that spiritual kingdom,
yet are waiting to enter
into the full inheritance of
it in the age to come.
People who are characterized
by these iniquities are not
saved (v. 10). See notes on
1 John 3:9,
10. While believers can
and do commit these sins,
they do not characterize
them as an unbroken life
pattern. When they do, it
demonstrates that the person
is not in God’s kingdom.
True believers who do sin,
resent that sin and seek to
gain the victory over it
(cf.
Rom. 7:14–25).
fornicators. All who indulge
in sexual immorality, but
particularly unmarried
persons. idolaters. Those
who worship any false god or
follow any false religious
system. adulterers. Married
persons who indulge in
sexual acts outside their
marriage. homosexuals …
sodomites. These terms refer
to those who exchange and
corrupt normal male-female
sexual roles and relations.
Transvestism, sex changes,
and other gender perversions
are included (cf.
Gen. 1:27;
Deut. 22:5). Sodomites
are so-called because the
sin of male-male sex
dominated the city of Sodom
(Gen.
18:20;
19:4,
5). This sinful
perversion is condemned
always, in any form, by
Scripture (cf.
Lev. 18:22;
20:13;
Rom. 1:26,
27;
1 Tim. 1:10).
6:10 thieves … covetous.
Both are guilty of the same
basic sin of greed. Those
who are covetous desire what
belongs to others; thieves
actually take it. revilers.
People who try to destroy
others with words.
extortioners. Swindlers and
embezzlers who steal
indirectly, taking unfair
advantage of others for
their own financial gain."
MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.).
(1997). The MacArthur Study
Bible (electronic ed., p.
1736). Nashville, TN: Word
Pub.
"The truth is that a
breakdown of the family
leads to death of both
society and eventually
humanity. And a man is the
only possible leader, in
general, of a family. Thus,
once the men are out of the
family, there won't be
families."
Yes. The father was meant to
be the spiritual leader of
the family. When this does
not happen, the family is
destroyed (1
Tim. 4:1–3).
Recommended reading:
Scam: How the Black
Leadership Exploits Black
America by Rev. Jesse
Lee Peterson
"...[M]en can't
respect a woman, and a woman
can't love a man."
One in Christ can love (Eze
36:26,
1 Jn 4:7,
1
Co 13:8).
"The good news is that most
men will love their wives
and families and won't lead
them off a cliff."
Mostly (1
Ti 5:8, KJV).
"Men are told to "man up"
but women are never told to
"mother up" like they
should."
Tit 2:3-5
Gavin McInnes
did recently. Pr
31
Tamara Holder will say she
meant nothing by
saying "Jesus" (Mt
12:36)--and that
will be the point (1
Pe 4:5).
Response to comment [from
other]: [Whoremongers] "They
certainly do not deserve
chaste women ... they
deserve a carbon copy of
themselves."
One politician here in
Colorado said that
A's tend to pick A's,
B's choose B's,
C's--C's
... and so on. Pr 18:22, 31,
1 Co 6:9-10
Response to comment [from
other]: "...[Y]ou are one of
the last people to dictate
what would make women
happier as you're a bygone
misogynist relic and have no
clue at all. The Victorian
era and before passed long
since and your draconian
views of women departed with
them."
How's that
Great Britain working out
for you?
"Today we have the new
morality. It's not new and
it's not moral." ~ Adrian
Rogers
1 Tim. 2:9
"There was an African prince
who came to England and was
presented to Her Majesty
Queen Victoria. This prince
asked a very significant
question, “What is the
secret of England’s
greatness?” The queen got a
beautifully bound copy of
the Bible and presented it
to the prince with this
statement, “This is the
secret of England’s
greatness.” I wonder,
friend, if England’s decline
to a second-rate and then
third-rate nation may be
tied up in the fact that
England has gotten away from
the Word of God." ~ J.
Vernon McGee
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: [To another
member] "All you've shown is
that younger women are more
mobile. Their lack of fear
to get out of a bad
relationship is a plus for
their future families..."
Lack of fear of God (Pr
9:10). When she enters
into a covenant, God expects
her to keep her vow (Matt.
19:5) until death (Rom.
7:2,
3). If she tosses her
husband out like a piece of
garbage and
marries another, she has
made herself adulteress (Lk
16:18A). She has made
her husband an adulterer (Lk
16:18B).
"They know they will still
be a catch in the next ten
years."
A catch
damaged goods
Lk 16:18
You will catch God's
attention for disobedience (Heb
13:4).
"...They aren't stuck yet.
Stuck for stuck's sake is
bad."
Is 5:20, Mt 19:6
"...An 8% divorce rate in
later life only indicates
that they are either dying
before they can switch, or
they are scared of change.
So they stay unhappy. Their
expectations have fallen....
they are no catch anymore,
so they cling desperately to
the hope of a family in late
life; as even a rotten one
is better than being alone
and extra vulnerable as an
old lonely singleton to the
plot twists in life."
Plot twists
serial adultery
Heb 13:4
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "Your view of
older women is truly sad.
You imply that woman in
there late 20's and 30's
have somehow become
undesirable and worse, they
begin to see themselves as
failures. How dare you. You
should be ashamed of
yourself."
Are many 40 year old women
selling skin cream? Our
culture idolizes youth and
beauty.
1 Sa 16:7, Pr 31
Response to comment [from a
Christian]:
Livin' On Love
~ Alan Jackson
2 Co 6:14,
Mt 22:39,
1 Co 13:8
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "Yep, it sure
does. When I was a kid I
listened to a lot of John
Denver..."
Wasn't he a pothead?
Re
9:21
"...Still do as a matter of
fact. There are a
couple of lines from his
songs that have always stuck
with me and kind of formed
my views on aging.
From, "Poems, Prayers and
Promises" ... it turns me
on to think of growing old...
Because of this line, I have
never feared growing old."
Ge 2:18, Pr 18:22
"Sadly, what you say is all
too true. I have started to
gray and I am getting urged
to do something about it.
It makes me sad because I
don't mind turning gray yet
it bothers my bride."
Lev
19:32
Study: marriage more
beneficial for men than
women
Divorce and death: forty
years of the Charleston
Heart Study
Response to comment
[from a pinko commie]: "I
think he will say maturity
but will not define it in
any way but ambiguous."
When I was a child, I spoke
as a child, I understood as
a child, I thought as a
child; but when I became a
man, I put away childish
things (1
Co 13:11).
Response to comment
[from other]: "How do you
interpret "she shall be
saved in childbearing?"
For Adam was first
formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived,
but the woman being deceived
was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall
be saved in childbearing, if
they continue in faith and
charity and holiness with
sobriety [1
Tim. 2:13–15].
"It was the sin of Eve that
brought sin into the world.
Now every time a woman bears
a child, she brings a sinner
into the world—that is all
she can bring into the
world. But Mary brought the
Lord Jesus, the Savior into
the world. So how are women
saved? By
childbearing—because Mary
brought the Savior into the
world. Don’t ever say that
woman brought sin into the
world, unless you are
prepared to add that woman
also brought the Savior into
the world. My friend, no man
provided a Savior: a woman
did. However, each
individual woman is saved by
faith, the same as each man
is saved by faith. She is to
grow in love and holiness
just as a man is." McGee, J.
V. (1991). Thru the Bible
commentary: The Epistles (1
and 2
Timothy/Titus/Philemon)
(electronic ed., Vol. 50,
pp. 45–46). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
Good religion (Jas
1:27) starts at home (2
Tim. 1:5;
2 Tim. 3:15).
"I don't believe the
commentary is perfectly good
theology, even if the
sentiment is warm.
Problem is, no baby is born
a sinner..."
Ps 51:5
Response to comment
[from a pinko commie]:
"...[W]omen are usually the
more irrational gender."
Job 2:10
Response to comment [from
other]: [Intelligence
study] "Uh oh."
Battle of the sexes.
Gal. 3:28
She is subject to him (Gen.
3:16). He is to
understand her (1
Pe 3:7).
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: "What are the
qualifications for
marriage?"
Don't marry another to
improve your behavior.
Jn 3:19, Mk 3:25, Re 22:11
Response to comment
[from a pinko commie]: "Life
based experience = half
baked crap. Sociological
theory held to strongly
without cause= wisdom That's
why the western world is
messed up."
Studies are useless (Jer.
8:9).
Response to comment [from a
pagan]: "...All my adult
life I wanted to find a man
like the father that raised
me. In my mind that is what
I wanted. However, I found
myself constantly attracted
to a different kind of man.
What I found out last year,
is that the type of man I
was always attracted to,
against my brains better
judgment, were men that were
just like my biological
father (not the man that
raised me). I just find it
interesting a bit of a
nature vs. nurture thing
right there."
Women find men like their
dad
/biological sperm donor
(Nu
14:18,
2
Chr. 33:22,
23).
Response to comment [from a
Christian]:
You are quoting the article.
Response to
comment [from a Christian]:
"It is a good idea to start
a marriage with an idea of
how many kids you want and
when. It will probably
change as time goes by but
it is good to be on the same
page at the start of your
journey."
The most important thing is
to marry a true blue
Christian (2 Co 6:14, Am
3:3).
Response to comment [from a
Christian]: [Abuse in
marriage]
If there is physical abuse,
she must learn to defend
herself (e.g. martial arts).
He will be held accountable
for his actions before God.
1 Pe 3:7,
Mt 5:27–32
Real
men don't hit women.
Response to comment [from
other]: "Just don't forget
that if a woman initiates
physical violence, she's no
longer a woman."
Is that your excuse to hit a
woman?
Real men don't hit women.
"Pick the target, freeze it,
personalize it, and polarize
it." ~ Saul Alinsky
Response to comment [from
other]: [Marriage and
Divorce] "Different actions
require different
responses."
The pope would
agree with you.
Matt. 19:6, Rom.
7:2, 3
Maybe you could put
his picture on your
wall like the
CathOlics.
Response to comment
[to other]: [Hitting
a woman] "What? You
wouldn't defend
yourself if a woman
attacked you?"
It's an obvious
statement with which
every gentleman
would agree.
[Real men don't hit
women] "Then you'd
agree that if one
never hits a woman,
but a woman
initiates physical
violence, then she's
no longer a woman."
Do you hit women?
Response to comment
[from a Christian]:
"I would never agree
with such poorly
formed logic and
reasoning. Just
because a woman is
moved to a physical
response doesn't
mean she ceases to
be a woman. Indeed,
the "attack" may be
warranted in certain
circumstances."
Women fought
to be treated
dishonorably--and so
they are. If a woman
has an explosive
device
strapped to her
body--sure, take her
out. That is not the
norm.
Pr 31
Response to comment
[from other]:
[Do you hit women?]
"Do you mean to be
this divisive?"
It's a simple
question.
"...How about
"coming at you with
a hammer"? [W]ould
that be enough
reason to respond
with violence?"
Has a lady come at
you with a hammer
recently?
[Do you hit women? ] "Why are you like that?"
Do you hit
people not like
yourself?
[Do you hit
women?
]
"C'mon SD, we can dialogue so stop changing the subject and stonewalling."
Response to
comment [from
other]:
I don't
think
everyone has
the same
physiological/emotional
capacity for
polygamy.
Hence, it
defies
belief for
many that
it's even
possible.
And for this
reason no
one should
merely
assume they
are
automatically
qualified
for it, even
if they are
qualified
for
marriage.
We
know that
people are
capable of
great evil (2
Sa 12:9,
Jer 17:9).
Are you a
polygamist?
The "her"
was me,
suggesting
polygamy to
him 9 years
ago.
Ex. 20:14,
1 Kin.
11:1–4
"No. But why
does it
matter if I
am, seeing
that I
support it?"
"Polygamy—having
more than
one wife:
...Contrary
to:
God’s
original Law
(Gen. 2:24),
Ideal
picture of
marriage
(Ps.
128:1–6),
God’s
commandment
(Ex. 20:14),
God’s equal
distribution
of the sexes
(Gen. 1:27;
1 Cor. 7:2),
Relationship
between
Christ and
the Church
(Eph.
5:22–33);
Productive
of:
Dissension
(Gen.
16:1–6),
Discord (1
Sam. 1:6),
Degeneracy
(1 Kin.
11:1–4)."
Thomas
Nelson
Publishers.
(1996).
Nelson’s
quick
reference
topical
Bible index
(p. 495).
Nashville,
TN: Thomas
Nelson
Publishers.
"Didn't
answer my
question..."
You're
welcome (Rom.
12:20,
Is 55:11).
"But
anyway...Those
verses are
being
misused."
"Every verse
of the Bible
means
exactly what
the author
intended it
to mean..."
Full text:
How to
Interpret
the Bible by
Darrell
Ferguson
Eph 4:14
See:
Hermeneutics
The biblical
word you are
looking for
is
debauchery
(Wisd
of Sol 14:26,
Ro 13:13,
Tit 1:6
NRSV).
"I've added
another
reason men
won't marry
you (women
who aren't
married)--a
lack of
polygamy."
All don't
want to be
civilized.
Women like
yourself (2
Chr. 11:23,
Pr 30:20)
support
wicked men
in this
venture
(Matt.
13:38, 1 Co
6:9-10).
Response to
comment
[from a
Christian]:
[To
1PeaceMaker]
"...I am a
woman and I
chose the
man I
married
first
because I
loved him
madly and
secondly,
because he
promised to
love, honor
and care for
me and me
alone....[Faithfulness]
My husband
was one of
them. There
are things
in this life
worth dying
for..."
The Leftist
anthem (e.g.
Imagine
~ John
Lennon)
doesn't
include
these
sentiments (Eccl
10:2,
Jn 10:10).
"While your
heart is
bleeding
blood the
arrow is
pouring out
love."
Jer 31:3
~ Charles
Stanley
Response to comment
[from a Christian]: "I would rather be single than be in a polygamous marriage.
I am widowed and would not want to be in a polygamous marriage."
God enables you to live in purity (Mt
19:11). You are of course free to marry if
you so choose (Rom.
7:2,
3). God will
give you the desires of your heart (Ps
37:4).
Response to comment [from other]: [Ask Yorzhik
a question] "Why do this to him?...[H]ave
you ever emotionally abused another person?"
A polygamist asks me if I have ever emotionally
abused another person?
Pr 23:7,
1 Co 6:18,
Ro 8:33 Would you consider telling another the truth
emotional abuse, polygamist?
Ac 20:20
Response to
comment [from a Christian]: [Polygamist] "Oh my goodness. I don't think I even
want to read what that poster is saying..."
Vile (Is.
47:10,
Pr 30:20).
See:
PeaceMakingPolygamst
"God gives instruction on how to be a proper polygamist man..."
Ge 2:24,
Ex 20:14,
Mt 5:17-18
See:
Ps 128:1-6 McGee, MacArthur
"There are two things wrong with your
post: ...I am not a polygamist..."
Let the reader decide (Pr
23:7).
"...and I answered this."
What freak cult do you belong to? 2 Chr. 11:23
"I'm one of the 1/7 of Americans that currently believe polygamy is not immoral."
Gals like yourself keep 'em in business. Ex 23:2, Mt 7:14, Pr 30:20
"So unless you want to redefine the word to fit a whole 1/7 of America..."
If I'm the last American
standing, I'm standing (Eph
6:13).
"...instead of about 100,000 souls, leave me out of
the definition."
Do you still know how to blush?
Ex 20:14
[Emotionally abusiveness of others] "...You almost
seem to be answering me indirectly, but then the answer would be yes..."
Eccl 10:2,
Jn 10:20
You would come to the conclusion that I am
emotionally (Ac
20:20) and
physically abusive (Pr
13:24).
"...so you have to think about why you would answer by turning a verbal club on
me for bringing up Matt 7:12..."
You think you're doing the world a favor by helping perverts spread their Abrahamic seed around. You're not.
"Now the so–called Golden Rule comes right in here—"Would you consider telling another the truth [about?] emotional abuse, polygamist?"
You
misquote me (Eph 4:14).
Would you consider telling another the truth
emotional abuse, polygamist?
Ac 20:20
Telling another the truth is called love not abuse (Ac
20:20).
"Not only have I; I did on this thread."
No
one is asking you for personal information. You've revealed your dark heart
plenty (1
Jn 5:19).
Where do I go to scrub my brain?
Luke 5:14,
15,
Phil 4:8,
Pr 4:23
"What would you like to know..."
No more, please (Eph.
6:16;
1 John 2:13).
Response to comment [from a Christian]:
[Do you hit women? ] "Serpentdove, Could you answer this question?: "If a woman has an explosive device strapped to her body--sure, take her out." Does it have to be an explosive device? How about "coming at you with a hammer"? would that be enough reason to respond with violence?"Why? Do you violate Matt 7:12? Do you falsely accuse others or stir up division in the Body?"
"I was offering what I thought you were asking for, a definition of abuse."
Our definitions differ (2 Co 6:14)."All children are of the kingdom."Where did you get that idea? Jn 8:44 Your days are numbered (Prov. 21:10).
You've made that determination.
"I can withdraw my question if you withdraw yours to Yorzhik..."
He does not care to answer the question: Do you hit women?
[Perv' page] "I recommend you either make the context more accurate or delete that..."] "I recommend you either make the context more accurate or delete that..."
Those are your exact words.
"...The lack of context is confusing to the reader, I believe."
The reader may click on the link to read the complete discussion.
[Definition of abuse] "Let's examine that. Examinations determine who is in the faith and who is wanting."
You're defending a man who is having a hard time answering the question: Do you hit women?
"Jesus loves you."
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).
Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16).
"I hope you keep that in mind when you accuse me, then."
Jonah and his plant get a bad rap (Jon 4:9). Those Ninevites likely raped his sister and murdered his family. The plant never did that.
Jesus is willing to save you.
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).
Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9).
"In your mind, is that predicated on me agreeing with you about polygamy, because I don't see polygamy mentioned..."
Come as the reprobate you are (1 Cor. 9:24–27).
"Repent[.]"
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).
Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30)."From what? I've done my repenting of unbelief..."
"Believe."
You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14).
Believe (Mk 9:23).
"I do...""If you can sin, you're not God's child. You can fool everybody else but you can't fool him." ~ J. Vernon McGee
[God loves and God hates: Esau I have hated. Mal 1:3] "Romans 5:8"
You should love me Picard Star Trek
"If Jesus can love me (you said he did) then so can you. WWJD."
What has Jesus said? Repent (Ac 8:22).
[You defend a man who has difficulty affirming the statement: Real men don't hit women. Have a discussion with him.] "You believe in self defense. Therefore your position looks like hypocrisy. He asked about self defense."
Real men affirm the statement:
Real men don't hit women (1 Pe 3:7).
See:
PeaceMakingPolygamist
"If God didn't love sinners there would be no hope of
salvation."
God loves you. He will live
without you if you do not repent (
[
Intensional
Eph 4:14
"I've been trying to help you avoid self-condemnation..."
You have no moral authority polygamist (Ro 8:33).
See:
Should Christians Judge?
PeaceMakingPolygamist
Response to comment [from other]: "This is a sick, twisted thread. I can't wait until it goes away."
Disturbing.
Response to comment
[from other]: "Here is an unbiased source that discusses real issues including
the failure that teens set themselves up for by marrying so young..."
The age that a couple gets married is irrelevant.
Marrying a Christian is what matters. (2
Co 6:14).
People who married between ages 22-25 report having happiest marriages
Judge jails kids for refusing lunch with abuser dad
Response to comment [from a Christian]: [To another member]: "Still on you bro, for lacking spiritual leadership..."
He is the source not the head. She is to submit to him. He is to
submit to her (1
Co 7:4).
See:
Kephalē and “Male Headship” in Paul’s Letters: The Metaphorical Meanings of
“Head” in Paul’s Letters: Part One
I have a question about Deuteronomy 22:13-22...
Response to comment [from other]: "It must be recess time."
Take your respective corners.
Intermission
Response to comment [from other]: [Women]