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Green Berets in Negligees

Green Berets in Negligees (Enyart)

"Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced new regulations yesterday on enforcing the law, stating that homosexuals are not eligible to serve in the military. The regulations limit the evidence that will be allowed and requires busy high-ranking officers to handle discharge procedures. The Pentagon's legal counsel stressed that this does not change or place a moratorium on the law.

Concerned Women for America CEO Penny Nance said, "This will create more confusion and fear among military members. Members of the military already fear punishment for agreeing with the federal law that homosexuals in the military 'would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion.' 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' muddled the law by barring asking the key question of those joining the military as to whether or not they are homosexual..." Full text: New Regs on 'Gays' in Military Will Undercut Morale Lev 18:22, 20:13, 1 Ki 14:24, Ro 1:24, 26, 27

The wickedness of Sodom ([Ex 20:14] heterosexual [Lev. 20:10–12] or homosexual [Lev. 20:10,13]) was notorious (Gen. 13:13).

See:

Green Berets in Negligees by Bob Enyart

Also see:

Homosexuality

"The military forces in other nations have managed to survive the outing of the gay men and women in their ranks. Ours will too."

You think men want to be in close quarters with perverts who lust for them? I thought you claimed to be all about freedom? What about a man's freedom not to be leered at?

You claim to be a Christian--please tell us when you have ever stood for God and his values? Homosexuality is forbidden (Lev. 18:22); Considered an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24); It should be recriminalized (Lev. 20:13). It is unclean (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1995). Nelson's quick reference topical Bible index. Nelson's Quick reference (293). Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

"The Christian faith is about selflessness and is marked by holy living (Romans 6:19, 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 1:2, 30, 6:19-20; Ephesians 1:4, 4:24; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, 5:23; 2 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 12:14; 1 Peter 1:15-16)..." full text: What is lust? What does the Bible have to say about lust? http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-lust.html

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "...Just like normal people, they don't care if someone is gay."

Normal people consider homosexuality an abomination (1 Ki 14:24).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "...never mind"

Jude 18.

"The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice..." full text: What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin? http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "I don't care what your fairy tale book says."

No kidding. The make-believers here agree with you by the way. Your opinion is not what constitutes truth. The Bible is our source of truth (Jas 1:18).

Response to comment [from a Christian]: [Man's freedom not to be leered at] "Disgusting as it may be, where is that in the Bill of Rights?"

This is why it should be re-criminalized (Lev. 20:13). When men feel free to act depraved, we all loose. I am speaking of the way it should be (and will be [Mk 13:26], thank God) not the way it is.

Rights come from God not man.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "What makes you think that just because someone is gay they can't control their attractions..."

Being the make-believer that you are, you do not appreciate what John MacArthur calls the exceeding sinfulness of sin (Jas 1:15).

"What the world calls diverse, God calls perverse (Rogers)."

"...[T]hey just aren't being honest about who they are."

They are being dishonest about who they are. We know how the truth of the Bible disturbs you:

"Did ye not read, that He who made them, from the beginning a male and a female made them (Mt 19:4)."

Pray tell, when do you start believing the Bible? Ge 1:27.

Still wishing the foundations of Genesis to go away? Jude 18.

[Please tell us when you have ever stood for God and his values?] "Every day..."

You are a pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist. Why should anyone listen to you or your agenda? Jn 8:44.

"It is not forbidden in America, nor is it classified as an "abomination.""

This nation was founded in Judeo-Christian values [1 Kin. 14:24]--thank God, healthier than your wicked heart [Jer 17:9]). If we'd like to keep a healthy fighting force, we will keep it that way (Rom. 1:24, 26, 27). We don't need dandy men (Judges 7:5).

"The future is assured. It's just the past that keeps changing." ~ Russian joke

Samuel Adams: “The religion and public liberty of a people are intimately connected; their interest are interwoven, they cannot subsist separately; and therefore they rise and fall together.”

James Madison: “It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it a finger of that Almighty hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the revolution.”

Alexander Hamilton: “For my own part, I sincerely esteem it a system, which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interest.”

Benjamin Franklin: “All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity.”

Charles Pinckney: “When the great work was done and published, I was struck with amazement. Nothing less than the superintending Hand of Providence, that so miraculously carried us through the war … could have brought it about so complete, upon the whole.”

George Washington: “No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the affairs of men, more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency.”

Full Samuel Adams quote: "Is it not high time for the people of this country explicitly to declare, whether they will be freemen or slaves? It is an important question which ought to be decided. It concerns us more than anything in this life. The salvation of our souls is interested in the event. For wherever tyranny is establish’d, immorality of every kind comes in like a torrent. It is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice. For they cannot live in any country where virtue and knowledge prevail. The religion and public liberty of a people are intimately connected; their interest are interwoven, they cannot subsist separately; and therefore they rise and fall together. For this reason, it is always observable, that those who are combined to destroy the people’s liberties, practice every art to poison their morals. How greatly then does it concern us, at all events, to put a stop to the progress of tyranny.”

George Washington: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens."

"[Washington] said anyone who tries to remove religion and morality from public life, I don't even let them call themselves a patriot because they are trying to destroy the country...

...We are responsible to our posterity…We are the stewards of the country and we have to remember that we have a responsibility to preserve the foundations and they are religion and morality (Historian David Barton)."

Barton is the Founder and President of Wallbuilders, a national pro-family organization that presents America's forgotten history and heroes.

John Jay: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." John Jay, one of the framers of the Constitution, was appointed by George Washington in 1789 to be the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States (and later served two terms as governor of New York). He wrote, in a private letter (1797) to clergyman Jedidiah Morse).

See:

Freedom Ribbon

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "Newsflash: there is no such thing as freedom not to be leered at..."

Newsflash: It's coming (Mk 13:26).

"Looks like somebody needs to "man" up and grow a thicker skin..."

Mt 19:4 You're precious.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Serpent"

Ad hominem.

[Jude 18. Sin of homosexuality] "That has nothing to do with my post, serpent."

I am not stupid enough to believe that you will gain anything. Liberals rarely do. I post for the reader in general who may change his/her mind and reject your lies.

But FYI, the Jude 18 bit was for you. You are a mocker of Christians. The Bible warned about people like you. You're just a stench that we must tolerate until our Savior comes (Isa 34:3).

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "Is the part about the talking snake truth?"

Genesis 3:1

"Among the beasts of the field that had been examined and named by Adam was one whose coloration was bright and beautiful and whose movements were smooth and graceful, a most attractive animal. Furthermore, this animal, the serpent, was more clever than any of the other animals. In her innocence, the woman was dazzled and soon led astray by this subtly attractive and deceptive creature.

Before considering the difficult question associated with the capacity of the serpent to speak in human language and his remarkable ability to deceive Eve, we must first examine the nature of the evil spirit using the serpent’s body. It is obvious that there is more to this event than a mere fable of a talking snake. The Bible later identifies that “old serpent” as none other than the devil himself (Revelation 12:9; 20:2), who has led an agelong angelic rebellion against God and His plans for mankind.

As noted earlier, a great host of angels (meaning “messengers”) had been created (probably on the first day of creation) for a variety of ministries around God’s throne. They had various ranks and positions of authority: “principalities and powers.” Evidently the greatest of these created spirit-beings was one called Lucifer (“day-star”).

Lucifer is spoken of in Isaiah 14:12–15. This passage is in the context of a prophetic warning to the wicked “king of Babylon,” but the prophet seems to go beyond his denunciation of this earthly monarch to the malevolent spirit who had possessed and utilized the king’s body and powers. The statements made in this passage could never be true of a mere earthly king. This same powerful spirit is similarly addressed in Ezekiel 28:11–19, a passage first directed at another later earthly potentate, similarly possessed, the king of Tyre. In the latter passage, he is addressed as “the anointed cherub that covereth” the very throne of God, the highest being in all of God’s creation.

God had told this high angel that he had been “created” (Ezekiel 28:13, 15), and no doubt informed him that he and all the other mighty angels were to be “ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation” (Hebrews 1:14). He was perfect in his ways (Ezekiel 28:15), just as was everything else God had created (Genesis 1:31); and he continued thus for some time after man’s creation. Lucifer did not sin until later since, as the Scripture says, everything in God’s completed creation, even “the heavens and the earth … and all the host of them” (Genesis 2:1), were very good. The “host of heaven,” as we have noted previously, included the angels as well as the stars.

Soon after this, however, Lucifer’s “heart was lifted up” because of his beauty and he corrupted his wisdom by reason of his brightness (Ezekiel 28:17). Though God had assured him that He had created him, he somehow began to doubt God’s word and deceived himself into thinking he himself could become God. “… I will be like the Most High,” he said in his heart (Isaiah 14:14), evidently thinking that he and God were similar beings and that, therefore, he might lead a successful rebellion and overthrow Him. Perhaps, he may have reasoned, neither he nor God was really “created,” but all of the angels, as well as God Himself, had just arisen by some natural process from the primeval chaos. All had somehow developed (or “evolved”) out of prior materials and it was only an accident of priority of time that placed him, with all his wisdom and beauty, beneath God in the angelic hierarchy.

Lest anyone should express surprise or doubt that Satan might ever conceive such an absurd notion, he should remember that exactly the same absurdity (namely, that this complex universe has arisen by natural processes from the primeval chaos, that the universe is a self-existing, self-sustaining, self-developing entity, and that man is “god”) is believed and taught as solemn fact by most of the world’s intellectual leaders even today! Satan is evidently the “deceiver of the whole world” (Revelation 12:9) and has apparently deceived himself most of all, believing in all seriousness that he can exalt his own “throne above the stars of God” (Isaiah 14:13). Many other angels, possibly a third of them, followed him in his rebellion (Revelation 12:4, 9).

Because “iniquity was found in him” (Ezekiel 28:15), Satan fell “as lightning falls from heaven” (Luke 10:18). God “cast him to the ground” (Ezekiel 28:17) and ultimately he will be “brought down to hell” (Isaiah 14:15; Matthew 25:41).

It may well be possible also that one of the factors that generated Satan’s resentment against God was God’s plan for mankind. People were to be uniquely “in the image and likeness of God,” and also were to be able to reproduce their own kind, neither of which blessings was shared by Lucifer or the angels. This may be the reason why God cast Satan to the earth, instead of sending him immediately to the lake of fire, to enable him to tempt man to fall as he himself had fallen.

Perhaps he believed that, by capturing man’s dominion and affection, along with the allegiance of his own angels, he might even yet be able to ascend back to heaven and dethrone God. Thus Lucifer, the “day-star,” became Satan, the “adversary,” or “accuser,” opposing and calumniating God and all His purposes. And now he became “that old serpent,” entering into the body of this “most clever” of all the “beasts of the field” in order to approach Eve with his evil solicitations.

Demonic spirits evidently have the ability, under certain conditions, to indwell or “possess” either human bodies or animal bodies (Luke 8:33); and Satan on this occasion chose the serpent as the one most suitable for his purposes. There has been much speculation as to whether the serpent originally was able to stand upright (the Hebrew word, nachash, some maintain, originally meant “shining, upright creature”). This idea is possibly supported by the later curse (Genesis 3:14), dooming the serpent to crawl on its belly “eating” dust, and perhaps also by those structures in the snake’s skeleton which have been interpreted by evolutionists as “vestigial” limbs.

There is also the unsolved question as to whether some of the Edenic animals, especially the serpent, may have originally had the ability to converse with man in some way. There is now, of course, a great gulf between the barks and grunts of animals and the intelligent, abstract, symbolic speech of man. On one occasion, God did, as it were, “open” the vocal organs of an animal, when He allowed Balaam’s ass to speak (Numbers 22:28). Some modern zoologists are now claiming the ability to teach chimpanzees a rudimentary form of speech.

On the other hand, it may simply be that Eve, in her innocence, did not yet know that the animals around her in Eden were incapable of speaking and so was not alarmed when the serpent spoke to her. One’s interpretation of this occurrence, in the complete absence of any further Scriptural explanation or amplification, may depend on the degree of his subconscious commitment to uniformitarianism.

Apart from uniformitarian considerations, there may really be no reason why we should not assume that, in the original creation, the serpent was a beautiful, upright animal with the ability to speak and converse with human beings. Such an interpretation would at least make the verses in this passage easier to understand, even though it may make them harder to believe. The fact that great physiological changes took place in both the plant and animal kingdoms at the time of the curse, as well as in man himself, is obvious from Genesis 3:14–19, and it is obvious also that changes of such degree are quite within the capabilities of God to produce.

In cases of doubtful meanings of Scripture, one must not be dogmatic; but, at the same time, he should not forget the cardinal rule of interpretation; the Bible was written to be understood, by commoner as well as scholar. Therefore it should normally be taken literally unless the context both indicates a nonliteral meaning and also makes it clear what the true meaning is intended to be.

It is at least possible (as well as the most natural reading) that the higher animals could originally communicate directly with man, who was their master. These were possibly the same as the animals to whom Adam gave names, and over whom man was to exercise friendly dominion.

It is further possible that all these animals (other than the birds) were quadrupeds, except the serpent, who had the remarkable ability, with a strong vertebral skeleton supported by small limbs, to rear and hold himself erect when talking with Adam or Eve. After the temptation and fall, God altered the vocal equipment of the animals, including the structure of the speech centers in their brains. He did this in order to place a still greater barrier between men and animals and to prevent further use of their bodies by demonic spirits to deceive men again in this fashion. The body of the serpent, in addition, was altered even further by eliminating his ability to stand erect, eye-to-eye with man as it were.

Again it should be emphasized that the above interpretation is not intended dogmatically. The Bible is not explicit on these matters and such explanations no doubt are hard to accept by the “modern mind.” Nevertheless, they are not impossible or unreasonable in the context of the original creation and, indeed, appear to follow directly from the most natural and literal reading of the passage.

In any case, the approach of Satan (through the serpent) to the woman was a masterpiece of effective subtlety. Catching her when she was alone, without Adam to counsel and warn her, probably one day when she was admiring the beautiful fruit trees in the garden, he first insinuated something which neither she nor Adam had even imagined before, namely, that it was possible for a creature to question God’s Word, “Yea, hath God said?” In other words, “Did God really say such a thing as that!” Note the slightly mocking superior condescension to Eve’s “naive” acceptance of God’s command, a technique followed by Satan and his human emissaries with great success ever since.

This first suggestion that God could be questioned was accompanied by an inference that God was not quite as good and loving as they had thought. “He has not allowed you to eat the fruit of every tree, has He? Why do you suppose He is withholding something from you like that?”

If one studies each situation closely enough, he will find that sin always begins by questioning either the Word of God or the goodness of God, or both. This is the age-old lie of Satan, the lie with which he deceived himself in the first place, and which succeeded so well with our first parents that he has used it ever since."

Morris, H. M. (1976). The Genesis record : A scientific and devotional commentary on the book of beginnings. Includes indexes. (106). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "I'm a mocker of idiots."

Jesus affirmed the scriptures (Jn 5:47). He believed in young, earth creation (Ex 20:11; 31:17). He must be an idiot too--which is really what you are saying. Your horns are showing (Jn 8:44).

"Christians care about truth, you care about sound bites and cut-and-paste arguments..."

And when your truth collides with biblical truth, who wins? The PB god?

"You are a false Christian, serpent"

The only true Christians are pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanists like like you?

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "You are a liar and a hypocrite."

Ad hominem (and favorite term for the leftist). It only took .2 seconds this time.

See:

Tactics of the Left

You are the pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist claiming to be a Christian and I am the hypocrite?

"It is not the army's job to control sin, or to keep our soldiers holy."

You wouldn't know the first thing about creating a strong military (Judges 7:5). I'd put my American forces against your fruit loops any day.

Ultimately, goodness has defeated evil (Jn 16:33). You should get on the winning side. Jesus loves the unlovable.

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

[Still wishing the foundations of Genesis to go away? Jude 18.] "Wondering why you think it should be applied as law to people regardless of their own faith."

You are under the law (Mt 5:18, Ga 3:24). Get yourself a savior.

"You are a liar. Why should anyone listen to your falsehoods?"

Unfortunately, you have zero credibility. You are a child-killer, pervert, idolater (Prov 23:7). Why should anyone listen to you if they are interested in the things of God?De 26:15; Ps 20:6; Isa 57:15. Heaven is a holy place. You're going to have to remove your dirty diapers to get there (Isa 61:10).

"[Y]ou bring out the exact same lies again and again."

I lie about life being sacred? Ge 1:26; Jas 3:9. I lie about the wickedness of homosexuality? 1 Kin. 14:24. I lie that God made mankind male and female? Mt 19:4. I lie about young earth creation? Ex 20:11; 31:17.

"You never learn."

Like a typical leftist, you've got it backward again (2 Ti 3:7). The scriptures are the source of truth (Jas 1:18). Why should anyone discard the foundations of scripture in favor of the morality coming from your wicked heart? Jer 17:9, Eccl 10:2, Mt 6:33.

Response to comment [from a pagan]: [C]reating a strong military] "...I know you'll not reply, except with scripture quote."

If I were Commander in Chief, I would lead the military biblically (Exod. 17:8–10).

Also see:

A Good Soldier by John MacArthur

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I am not a pro-abort. I am not "pro-homosexual". I am not a humanist. You are a liar. Again."

That's great. Now, you'll have to go back to Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List) to correct the record on your positions.

"The "fruit loops" are already part of the American forces, your delusions notwithstanding."

True.

"They fight just as bravely for this country as any heterosexual..."

Except their wrists are a bit limp so they are not as quick on the draw.

"...and soon they will be able to serve openly."

When you remove the stigma, you harm the homosexual. When you love the homosexual, you tell him the truth. I love the homosexual in Christ (Prov 27:5). You hate him or her.

See:

Our Rainbow

"Eat your heart out, hypocritical liar :loser:"

I appreciate your effort , but may I recommend a course in logic?

With training you might be able to win a bronze medal in the use of fallacies. You specialize in ad hominem, we know. But, I see you've added the double lutz Ad Populum and attempted the Absurd Extrapolation landing.

Keep at it (Re 22:11).

"[W]here have I endorsed child-killing or perversion?"

It's all documented at: Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List). It makes for good reading like sticking toothpicks under your fingernails makes for a good manicure.

"The US military isn't heaven."

Lets act like pigs now. 2 Cor 4:18. Don't forget to read about the prodigal pig in the Bible.

"A PIG IS A PIG

"Come home with me," said the prodigal son.
"We'll sing and dance and have lots of fun.
We'll wine and dine with women and song.
You'll forget you're a pig before very long."

So the pig slipped out while mamma was asleep,
Shook off the mud from the mire so deep.
Around his neck was a bow so big,
He's gonna show the world a pig's not a pig!

With his snout in the air he trotted along
With the prodigal son, who was singin' a song.
It must be great to be a rich man's son.
He would surely find out 'fore the day was done.

It didn't take him long to realize his mistake–
He'd been scrubbed and rubbed 'til his muscles ached!
He squealed when they put a gold ring in his nose
And winced with pain when they trimmed his toes.

He sat at the table on a stool so high
A bib 'round his neck and a fork to try,
While the prodigal son, in his lovely robe,
Kept feeding his face, so glad to be home!

When the meat came around, the pig gave a moan.
It looked too much like a kind of his own.
He jumped from his chair with a grunt and a groan,
Darted through the door and headed for home.

His four little feet made the dust ride high,
For he didn't stop till he reached that sty!
It's what's on the inside that counts, my friend,
For a pig is a pig to the very end!

–Evelyn C. Sanders...

...PIGS AND SONS

The pigs and sons are marching–to and fro
From pigpen to the Father’s house
And back again they go.
It’s hard for me to tell just who is who,
With cleaned-up pigs and dirty sons
And (then) vice versa, too.

But in the end–on this you can rely–
The sons will fill the Father’s house,
The pigs will fill the sty.

–Listener from Northridge, California..." Source: Lewishb MillenniumWeekend.org

"No wonder you are so confused?"

Oink.

"You lie about me."

Let the reader decide.

"I am promoting the notions of equality under the law and religious freedom..."

Laws come from God (Le 26:46). You promote freedom of religion--so long as it's not Christianity, right? :Shimei:

"...that this nation was founded on."

This nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Remember, the father of our nation says you're no patriot.

George Washington: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens."

"[Washington] said anyone who tries to remove religion and morality from public life, I don't even let them call themselves a patriot because they are trying to destroy the country...full text: Freedom Ribbon http://vananne.com/freedomribbon/

:Commie: Maybe you could go sit with the Communists?

"If you don't like it, move to Uganda. You should fit right in there."

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "[Y]ou would use 3000+ year old mythology to lead a modern military?"

No.

"If you were to build a home or another type of building, would you also use information that is 3000 years out of date?"

We build on a sure foundation (Is. 28:16; Matt. 16:18).

"New world order is old disorder (Ac 15:18)." ~ Adrienne Rogers

See:

Is there such a thing as absolute truth / universal truth? Without absolute truth, is there any standard of right and wrong?

What are the dangers of postmodernism? How are postmodern beliefs dangerous?

With all of the different religions, how can I know which one is correct? How can it be determined which religion is correct?

Bible Teaching About Absolute Truth

Response to comment [from an atheist]: [Limp-wristed homos not as quick on the draw ] "Try telling that to my girlfriend..."

Your girlfriend is a limp-wristed homo?

"...Better yet, tell that to the insurgent in Iraq..."

Do you mean terrorist in Iraq?

"...that was using kids for shields."

This is being a good Muslim (Mt 7:16).

"Do you do any thinking or reasoning for yourself..."

Sure.

"...or do just do whatever scripture tells you to do?"

As best I can (James 2:18).

Response to comment [from an atheist]: [Christ's return] "I'd like to find out how tough an avenging angel is when it has a faceful of double-aught buckshot..."

No--you don't (Mt 13:39-42).

[Man up/precious] "That's why I put the word "man" in quotes..."

Oh. Well, you're even more precious.

"My girlfriend is a transsexual..."

"...And not limp wristed at all."

Men must live as men and women must live as women (Mt 19:4, Deut 22:5).

"People are people so why should it be? (Depeche Mode)"

Your creator said so. He loves you. He wants you to live (Jn 10:10).

You're going to place your eternity in the hands of a bad 90s band? :drum:

Response to comment [from a Satanist]: "I doubt SD..."

You said you have me on your ignore list. Why don't you ignore me?

"And by the way: this is going to happen, sooner or later, and once again, the opponents of gay rights will be an embarrassment to history..."

We are not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ (Ro 1:16). We give out the word of God. What people do with it is their business. If you want to live, you'll obey God. If you don't, you won't (Jn 3:19, 10:10).

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "...[M]ythological creature that you claim created me."

2 Pe 3:5.

* Cosmological argument:

• Everything that had a beginning has a cause.
• The universe had a beginning.
• Therefore, the universe had a cause.

Design argument:

• Every design has a designer.
• The universe—and life—has a highly complex design.
• Therefore, there is a Great Designer.

Moral argument

• Moral laws require a lawgiver
• Absolute moral laws exist.
• Therefore, there is an absolute Moral Lawgiver.

See:

Evidence of God

Atheism & Agnosticism

"...I take it you are not going to answer my suggestion about challenging a homosexual actively serving in the military to a duel. Not surprising."

It's sort of a stupid suggestion, don't you think.

I've engaged in many "duels" if it makes you feel any better.

Response to comment [from a Christian]: "80's, 90's, 00's. Just saying."

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "You need to respect the truth."

The Bible is true (Jas 1:18).

"Your "love" kills, serpent. It created "the closet" and all the self-loathing and destructive binges that go along with it."

Loathing sin is a good thing. When we come to the end of ourselves, we can be saved (Re 3:17). God uses brokenness and suffering to bring men to himself (1 Pe 12-19). It is his way.

The difference between sinners and saints is sinners love their sin and don't want to give it up (Jn 3:19); saints hate their sin and want to give it up.

Sin should be:

a. Confessed. Job 33:27; Pr 28:13.

b. Mourned over. Ps 38:18; Jer 3:21.

c. Hated. Ps 97:10; Pr 8:13; Am 5:15.

d. Abhorred. Ro 12:9.

e. Put away. Job 11:14.

f. Departed from. Ps 34:14; 2Ti 2:19.

g. Avoided even in appearance. 1Th 5:22.

h. Guarded against. Ps 4:4; 39:1.

i. Striven against. Heb 12:4.

j. Mortified. Ro 8:13; Col 3:5.

k. Wholly destroyed. Ro 6:6.

Torrey, R. (1995, c1897). The new topical text book : A scriptural text book for the use of ministers, teachers, and all Christian workers. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos research Systems, Inc.

Why do you love sin so much? You are no friend to the homosexual (Mt 19:19). You don't care if he lives or dies (Jn 10:10).

"Guilt tries to get rid of itself not sin." ~ Jim Andrews

"[Y]ou don't want to "tell" them the truth- you want to force it down their throats."

Reality is a big pill to swallow. We come to God on his terms not our own. Men are commanded to repent and believe (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30, Re 2:5,16; 3:3; Jn 8:31–46, Ac 8:13–24; Jas 2:14–26). ). It is not a suggestion.

You don't abide in God's word--you are not truly his disciple (John 8:31–46). You abide in your own word (humanism). You serve Satan.

"You cannot have a 'come in Savior' and a 'stay out Lord'." ~ Adrienne Rogers. Rom 14:9.

"...[P]hrases you obviously don't understand..."

Ad hominem.

"...[I]f you think you can show where I have endorsed killing children..."

See:

Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List)

You are a pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist.

"...[S]how me here or retract your words again, liar..."

Like mama's pasta sauce, "It's in there." See: Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List). Let the reader decide. :peach: You're a deceiver (2 Tim. 3:13). If your wicked heart ever changes (Jer 17:9), please let us know.

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "Why does he love me and want me to live?"

The love of God is part of who he is (2Co 13:11; 1Jo 4:8).

Have you seen that terrible movie Clash of the Titans yet? I got suckered into it. They portray god (Greek paganism, Zeus) as a mean old man.

That may be a god of man's imagination but that is not the God of scripture. The God of scripture is: living, personal, relational, good and loving.

He loves us even when we are unlovable (Ro 5:8). He proved his love by dying for us.

"Love is giving you what you need not what you deserve."

"What does He get out of the deal? What's His angle?"

If I may use the terrible movie again as an illustration of error. The main god in the movie needed humans for his power. Humans stopped loving him, he got mad, yada, yada, yada. Again--a god of man's imagination--but no proof.

Scripture says man cannot profit God (Job 22:2; Ps 16:2). We become something special when we respond to him (2 Cor 5:17). He wants our fellowship (Ge 5:22, Ge 6:9, etc.). We were made for him and his will (Re 4:11).

In The Crucible

Out from the mine and the darkness,
Out from the damp and the mold,
Out from the fiery furnace,
Cometh each grain of gold.
Crushed into atoms and leveled
Down to the humblest dust
With never a heart to pity,
With never a hand to trust.
Molten and hammered and beaten
Seemeth it ne'er to be done.
Oh, for such fiery trial,
What hath the poor gold done?
Oh, 'twere a mercy to leave it
Down in the damp and the mold.
If this is the glory of living,
Then better to be dross than gold.
Under the press and the roller,
Into the jaws of the mint,
Stamped with the emblem of freedom,
With never a flaw or a dint.
Oh, what a joy, the refining,
Out of the damp and the mold.
And stamped with the glorious image,
Oh, beautiful coin of gold!
–Author unknown

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "You don't go and break people..."

It is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to convicts a person of sin. He withdraws from incorrigible sinners by the way (Gen. 6:3; Deut. 32:30; Psa. 51:11; Prov. 1:24–28; Jer. 7:29; Hos. 4:17, 18; Hos. 5:6; Hos. 9:12; Matt. 15:14; Luke 13:7; Rom. 1:24, 26, 28) Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave's. Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems.

"Your part is bring the Christ, not more pain."

You don't know Christ (Joh 14:17). Bad root, bad fruits (Mt 7:16). Your prescription for the "pain" kills (Jn 10:10).

"If you ever decide to dwell in truth and love, please let us know."

You claim to know truth and love when you stand in opposition to God's word? (Jn 8:31, Jn 8:44).

"You know nothing of Christ's love or His salvation, false Christian."

A true Christian is a pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist? We all supposed to give up what we know (revelation) for your opinion (speculation)?

"He is far from you, accursed."

"If you have a talking faith that is not a walking faith, you have a mocking faith." ~ Jim Andrews. Jude 18.

Response to comment [from a Catholic]: "Actually Serpent, the type of homosexual activity which is described in the Bible is not what would be meant today."

Fornication (any sex outside of marriage, which includes homosexuality) is sin. It:

Comes from evil heart Matt. 15:19

Sins against the body 1 Cor. 6:18

Excludes from God’s kingdom 1 Cor. 6:9

Disrupts Christian fellowship 1 Cor. 5:9–11

Spiritual fornication symbolized in final apostasy Rev. 17:1–5

Homosexuality is:

Forbidden Lev. 18:22

Considered an abomination 1 Kin. 14:24

Punishment Lev. 20:13

Unclean Rom. 1:24, 26, 27

Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1995). Nelson's quick reference topical Bible index. Nelson's Quick reference (293). Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "I doubt serpentdove has ever been on the business end of a weapon, or even another person's fist..."

I've been on the "business" end of both numerous times. Does this have something to do with religion or politics?

[Fighting/weapons] "I think you are lying."

Then, I'm lying?

"What exactly are you referring to as a duel and what, if any, weapons were being used?"

I'm trained in a variety of weapons. I've had my butt kicked many times if it makes you feel any better.

This has what to do with religion or politics? Eph 6:12.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "The opinion of a proven liar on my salvation is meaningless."

Let the reader decide.

See:

Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List)

You are a pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist. You want the reader to believe that you are a Christian? You stand for everything God stands against. :idunno:

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us [1 John 1:8].

"This is even worse than being a liar. When you get to the place where you say you have no sin in your life, there is no truth in you at all. This doesn’t mean you are simply a liar; it means you don’t even have the truth. You are deceiving yourself. You don’t deceive anyone else. You deceive only yourself..."

McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:762-763). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

When we place our trust in Christ we are cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 Jn 1:9). You are trying to convince the reader that cleansing of all unrighteousness looks like: child-killing, depravity and self-will?

Good luck. You do not have a biblical worldview.

See:

War of Worldviews

What is a Biblical Worldview?

Worldview Comparison

Naturalism

Materialism

Humanism

Multiculturalism

Modernity & Postmodernism: An excerpt from The Truth War: Fighting for Certainty in an Age of Deception by John MacArthur

"...[D]emonstrate how I stand in opposition to God's word..."

We've been over this before. This thread is not all about you. Anyone interested in your wicked, leftist positions may review your posts at Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List).

"It's in there." ~ Prego Commercial

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "Might I suggest you challenge a homosexual that is actively serving in the military to a duel?"

You're really into this "challenging to a duel" thing?

Have you been watching too many action movies? Maybe you should go out an buy one of those Playmobil Jousting sets?

I might remind you that real verily comes from God. No little blue pill will make you a man.

See:

Praying for the Right Things 2 Thessalonians 1:11 Pt 1 by John MacArthur

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "It doesn't work like that. You brought it up, liar..."

Let the reader decide if you are a pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist.

See:

Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List)

"...If you aren't prepared to back yourself up, I suggest you retract your words. It's not my responsibility to follow you around to defend myself. Right here, right now, or drop it."

It's well established. You cannot sabotage every thread, making it all about you and your perverse beliefs. The details of your positions are well documented. When/if you change your positions, let us know.

When you say that nurses should not be required to distribute chemical weapons to murder the unborn, I'm happy to retract (Ge 9:6).

When you say that homosexuality is: an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24) and that God made us male and female (Mt 19:4), and to act otherwise disgusts God (Deut 22:5), let us know.

When you say that God created the world in six normal days (Ex 20:11; 31:17) and we are to believe God's word (revelation) not man's opinion (speculation), there is something to talk about.

"When did I say that nurses should be required to distribute chemical weapons to murder the unborn, liar? Show me a quote where I said that or admit you are making stuff up."

You said:

"Religious freedom doesn't cover the "freedom" not to do your job...If the law requires that this service be offered to rape victims than you can bet it most certainly is a conflict."

"[R]eligious freedom doesn't include the freedom not to the job you agreed to do when you were hired."

"When they signed up for the job they agreed to do those things which the job requires- in this case dispensing emergency contraception to rape victims. Don't like the terms of employment- work somewhere else...The law trumps the religious affiliation of the hospital providing services."

Again, documented in Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List). :readthis: Let's just make every thread about you.

[Re: homosexuality] "I am pro-equality and so is the constitution of this great nation-- if you don't like it, I'm sure you can find a border..."

Are you opposed to homosexuality?:

Is homosexuality an abomination? (1 Kin. 14:24).

Did God made us male and female? (Mt 19:4).

Is is disgusting to God to act differently than we were created? (Deut 22:5).

[Re: young earth creation] "I won't apologize for loving truth...Hiding behind a book won't change reality...[P]eople come to associate Christianity...with anti-science dogma and superstition."

Did we evolve from monkeys? (Ge 1:26; Jas 3:9).

Did God create the world in six literal days? (Ex 20:11; 31:17)

Regarding murder, your view is: "[If you] don't like the terms of employment- work somewhere else...".

Regarding homosexuality, your response is: "I am pro-equality and so is the constitution of this great nation-- if you don't like it, I'm sure you can find a border..."

Is that your solution for everything? When others disagree, they must leave?

"So I didn't say "nurses should be required to distribute chemical weapons to murder the unborn," did I? The discussion wasn't about whether or not "nurses SHOULD be required to distribute chemical weapons to murder the unborn", was it? It was about whether or not people who have moral objections to duties expected of them in a certain position should knowingly accept that position in the first place, wasn't it? Ready to retract your lie, yet?"

And you think this helps your argument? Now, Christians aren't even fit to be employed? Is a Christian qualified to take a nursing job is he/she will not distribute the morning after pill?

"You said I was pro-gay not that I wasn't anti-gay."

Do you support homosexuality?

[Did we evolve from monkeys?] "No, we share a common ancestor."

So a monkey was not created a monkey and a man was not created a man? Man became a man over millions of years through the process of evolution?

[Did God create the world in six literal days? (Ex 20:11; 31:17)] "Nope."

The Bible gives no reason to believe otherwise. Provide your reason for believing otherwise. In other words, what hermeneutic do you use to substantiate your claim?

[Is a Christian qualified to take a nursing job if he/she will not distribute the morning after pill?] "Does that discussion belong on this thread?"

I argued that this discussion did not belong here at all. Then, you insisted on discussing it. So, if a nurse will not distribute the morning after pill, is he/she qualified for a job in an emergency room according to you?

"I support equality."

I did not ask if you support equality. I asked if you are in support of or if you are opposed to homosexuality?

[So a monkey was not created a monkey and a man was not created a man? Man became a man over millions of years through the process of evolution?] "That is what the evidence indicates..."

I did not ask what the evidence indicates. I asked if you believe that man evolved in the process of evolution from a monkey-like being.

[Re: hermeneutic used for six normal day creation (Ex 20:11; 31:17).] "The use of mythic imagery and symbolism, particularly combined with the scientific evidence, show that Genesis is not meant to a literal, historical revelation but an allegorical presentation containing spiritual truth. Or do you really believe that God came here to teach elementary school science as well as save mankind?......I use reason and evidence..."

Whose reason? God's (Ex 20:11, 31:17) or yours?

"You claimed that I had said nurses should be required to distribute chemical weapons to murder the unborn. This is false. Retract that, as I am not willing dialogue with a liar."

If you are in support of life and those who stand for life of the unborn, I am happy to rephrase.

You said:

"Religious freedom doesn't cover the "freedom" not to do your job...If the law requires that this service be offered to rape victims than you can bet it most certainly is a conflict."

"[R]eligious freedom doesn't include the freedom not to the job you agreed to do when you were hired."

Is a person qualified to work in the emergency room if he/she will not distribute the morning after pill to rape victims?

[I asked if you are in support of or if you are opposed to homosexuality?] "Retract that if you wish to ask questions instead of make assertions..."

I am happy to rephrase if you are not pro-homosexual. It is not my intention to misrepresent your position. Are you willing to answer "yes" to the following statements?:

Homosexuality is an abomination? (1 Kin. 14:24).

God made us male and female? (Mt 19:4).

Is is disgusting to God to act differently than we were created? (Deut 22:5).

Homosexuality should be recriminalized?

[I asked if you believe that man evolved in the process of evolution from a monkey-like being.] "And I asked why it matters."

Worldviews matter. Doubt leads to unbelief. It is the same tactic Satan used in the garden with Eve (Ge 3:4).

See:

War of Worldviews

What is a Biblical Worldview?

Worldview Comparisons

"Do you feel that evolution/creation is now a salvation issue?"

We do not go to heaven or hell based on our believe about young earth creation. We go to heaven or hell based on a right relationship with Jesus. The answer to your question is (still) "no". That is spelled n-o. The other way to answer a question is "yes". It is spelled y-e-s.

[Whose reason? God's (Ex 20:11, 31:17) or yours?] "There is only reason. It is universal and man's reason is a reflection of God's."

God and man differ all of the time (Ac 5:29). Will you believe God (Ex 20:11, 31:17) or will you believe yourself (e.g. theistic evolution)?

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "[T]hen you admit you are a liar."

No.

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "All this prattling about love, love, love!"

He's got plenty of wrath, too (Lk 19:27). Throw yourself upon the mercy of the court.

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: [If you are in support of life and those who stand for life of the unborn, I am happy to rephrase.] "That's not how this works, serprent..."

You have repeatedly asked me to retract my claim that you are a: pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist who does not have a biblical worldview. If I have misrepresented your position in anyway, I am happy to retract. You should have no problem answering my questions. But, as typical of the left, you do not answer questions. The long drawn out arguments are available for anyone to review at Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List).

I see no reason to retract unless you have changed your positions.

I had asked: Are nurses now qualified to work in an emergency room in your opinion if they will not distribute the morning after pill? You did not want to answer that one.

[Homosexuality] "Nope, that's not how this works..."

I had asked you to confirm the following:

Homosexuality is an abomination (1 Kin. 14:24).

God made us male and female (Mt 19:4).

It is disgusting to God to act differently than we were created (Deut 22:5).

Homosexuality should be recriminalized.

You did not want to answer those questions.

[God and man differ all of the time (Ac 5:29). Will you believe God (Ex 20:11, 31:17) or will you believe yourself (e.g. theistic evolution)?' "If you can't trust yourself, or the evidence of your senses and your own reason, then how can you trust them to lead them to Him? If you can't verify God's Word with anything but your "feelings" how likely are you to be led astray?..."

A simple "yes" or "no", or "He's right", "I'm right" would do. I had asked: if we have a different belief than God's testimony (that the world was created in six normal days [Ex 20:11, 31:17]) who is right? God or us? You did not wish to answer that question.

By all means keep us updated. It would be best if you were not a pro-abort, pro-homosexual humanist.

See:

War of Worldviews

What is a Biblical Worldview?

Worldview Comparison

Naturalism

Materialism

Humanism

Multiculturalism

Modernity & Postmodernism: An excerpt from The Truth War: Fighting for Certainty in an Age of Deception by John MacArthur

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "Is your solution for everything to lie about it?"

No.

"When others disagree with you, misrepresent their position?"

No. As Dennis Prager likes to say, "I prefer clarity to agreement." I love clarity. You love obfuscation. I think this little exercise has been a demonstration in that.

If I held you views, I probably would not want to articulate them either.

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "You've flat out lied..."

I'd love to be wrong.

[Ignore list]

There you are Granite. Pray tell, if I am on your ignore list why don't you ignore me? Do the God haters only come out to play when they are defending one of their own?

If I lie, you'll have to have actual facts--and we know how you hate those little buggers.

[You have repeatedly asked me to retract my claim that you are a: pro-abort, pro-homosexual, humanist who does not have a biblical worldview. If I have misrepresented your position in anyway, I am happy to retract.] "Then do it and smile."

I'd love to retract when you clarify that your positions have changed.

[You should have no problem answering my questions.] "You don't have the credibility to ask those questions or the authority to require that I answer."

If you were not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ, you would gladly answer (Ro 1:16). God's word goes out (Ac 2). What people do with it is their business. When I speak from God's word, I have all authority (1 Pet. 3:13–15; 1 Tim. 6:1).

"You started this by lying..."

Actually, you started this (which I said belonged in another thread) then you insisted, I said fine, then you would not answer questions to clarify.

"I don't have to go under your little inquisition..."

You don't. Thank you for reminding everyone that this thread was supposed to be about homosexuals in the military. But let's make every thread about you.

"It is your responsibility to back up your claims..."

I have. Anyone interested may read Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List).

"...[N]ot mine to follow you around answering your questions time and time again..."

"...so you can conveniently forget and trot out the exact same set of lies next time you feel like it."

I hate psychobabble--but you're projecting again.

"I'm not going to waste time repeating the same thing over and over and again..."

What same thing over and over again?

"You have to support your ridiculous claims with more than innuendo and ignorance."

Documented. See Satan Inc (TOL Heretics List).

"I don't have to take your test anytime you demand it..."

But I said this was not the place ...then you insisted it was--I think all of the homo soldiers are hiding under the Rainbow Bright covers at this point.

"I have asked, if you have no faith in your own reason..."

I do.

"...or your own senses..."

I do.

"...how can you claim to know God's Word from a phonebook."

The Holy Spirit takes the things of God and makes them real to the believer (1Co 2:10,13). Trust God and his word. The phonebook may be in error. God isn't (Mt 5:48).

"It would be best if you weren't a filthy liar."

Response to comment [from an atheist]: [He's got plenty of wrath, too (Lk 19:27).] "I'm all about wrath. If there's wrath involved, you can color me there!"

Wrath is necessary. See, never let it be said that Christians and atheists cannot agree.

"If God is not just, God is not good." ~ Ronald L. Dart

"Law without penalty is only advise." ~ Adrienne Rogers

"I never bestow mercy, so it would be hypocritical of me to beg for it."

"...This is a description of the prisoner’s helpless condition....

He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, and brake their bands in sunder.

Oh that men would praise the Lord for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder [Ps. 107:14–16].

Remember how God brought Simon Peter out of prison and how He delivered Paul and Silas at night. Also He has delivered us from the prison house of sin, and God has given us a pardon. God has a pardon for everyone, my friend. Someone might say, “If there is a pardon, why am I not forgiven?” Well, even in prison today a pardon must be accepted. I remember Dr. Harry Rimmer telling about a case in Pennsylvania in which a man was granted a pardon from prison by the governor, but he would not accept it. The prison officials were in a dilemma. What do you do when a man is granted a pardon and he will not accept it? Finally, an appeal was made to the judge, and he said, “The man will have to stay in prison.” A person has to accept the pardon before he can be free. The Lord has a pardon for you. In the Lord Jesus Christ we have forgiveness of sins and a pardon for our iniquities, but we have to accept it. Have you accepted your pardon yet? Are you delivered from sin and from the penalty for sin?" McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (2:831-832). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"Call me cruel, call me mean, call me vicious if you want, but you will never be able to call me a hypocrite."

People in general are: cruel, mean, and vicious. Read the newspaper. Being a hypocrite is pretty bad, too. But, in the end, God wins (Ps 14:1).

Response to comment [from a "Christian"]: "I am done with you, liar. I won't waste any more words..."

...Then, you've got this one.

Fools despise wisdom (Prov 1:7).

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "I have a 5-ton chip on my shoulder, and nobody, natural or supernatural, has ever been able to knock it off."

God spends a lifetime trying to get our attention (Lam 3:22-23). It would be terrible to be cut off from his grace for eternity. Hopefully, you'll change your mind.

Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

"...[T]he victims, the experience is a special kind of hell—a soldier can’t just quit his job to get away from his abusers. But now, as the Pentagon has begun to acknowledge the rampant problem of sexual violence for both genders, men are coming forward in unprecedented numbers...[L]ast year more than 110 men made confidential reports of sexual assault by other men, nearly three times as many as in 2007..." The Military's Secret Shame: When men in the military rape other men in the ranks, no one wants to talk about it. Why the sexual assault of males in the service is finally being confronted.

Would you encourage your son or daughter to join the military under this wicked leadership?

Response to comment [from an atheist]: "...[T]his has always been the case in militaries down through the ages. Stop acting like this is something new."

This is getting worse because of our immoral leadership. Under Truman Sodomites were discharged from the service because they were considered mentally unfit. Under Clinton they were asked not to "tell" about their sexual perversion. Under Obama they now serve openly and proudly. Homosexuality is: forbidden Lev. 18:22, considered an abomination 1 Kin. 14:24, punishment Lev. 20:13, unclean Rom. 1:24, 26, 27